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On November 19 2014 05:12 jinorazi wrote: im finally looking to upgrade from i7 920, its been a great awesome run since i got it the year it was released. i was hoping to do some future proofing when i first got i7 920 and its done better than i expected.
now i'm looking to upgrade to 4790k or 5820k, 4790k seems to be the better value but 5820k ready for ddr4 though ddr4 isnt that much better than ddr3 at the moment as i understand it.
i was hoping some experts can help me: i'm looking to do future proofing again (5+ years) by upgrading everything other than cpu and motherboard down the road, for this, which is the better choice between the two?
What do you run on the computer? Would the usage change in five years? Do you even know?
DDR4 isn't really better than DDR3 now, and you'd be buying DDR4 around its highest prices rather than carrying over DDR3. If you upgraded later, you could be buying DDR4 for somewhat significantly lower prices than you see now. Or if you keep the stuff a long time, maybe you could skip DDR4 for some kind of hypothetical DDR5.
Anyhow, the X99 platform is for the following people:
People who want what's expensive and like getting ripped off
Prosumers, benchmarking and hardware enthusiasts, and power users who need 64+ GB of RAM, 3+ graphics card setups, and/or lots of really high-speed storage and capture
People who need or want more than 4 cores for what they do (along with state-of-the-art per-core performance)
I'm guessing you're not one of the first two. I'd view this just in terms of whether or not you need the extra cores. Judge cost vs. core count. edit: and also consider the i5-4560k. Hypothetically in enough years we could see a 6-core processor offering nontrivial performance gains in games, for example. Keep in mind some people were bullish on games using 4 cores and so on back in 2007 when the Q6600 and so on was available, and look at how much still doesn't use that much effectively.
On November 19 2014 08:45 Myrmidon wrote: Keep in mind some people were bullish on games using 4 cores and so on back in 2007 when the Q6600 and so on was available, and look at how much still doesn't use that much effectively.
I was one of those people that opted for a Q6600 in 2007 and I'm still salty :<
On November 19 2014 05:12 jinorazi wrote: im finally looking to upgrade from i7 920, its been a great awesome run since i got it the year it was released. i was hoping to do some future proofing when i first got i7 920 and its done better than i expected.
now i'm looking to upgrade to 4790k or 5820k, 4790k seems to be the better value but 5820k ready for ddr4 though ddr4 isnt that much better than ddr3 at the moment as i understand it.
i was hoping some experts can help me: i'm looking to do future proofing again (5+ years) by upgrading everything other than cpu and motherboard down the road, for this, which is the better choice between the two?
What do you run on the computer? Would the usage change in five years? Do you even know?
DDR4 isn't really better than DDR3 now, and you'd be buying DDR4 around its highest prices rather than carrying over DDR3. If you upgraded later, you could be buying DDR4 for somewhat significantly lower prices than you see now. Or if you keep the stuff a long time, maybe you could skip DDR4 for some kind of hypothetical DDR5.
Anyhow, the X99 platform is for the following people:
People who want what's expensive and like getting ripped off
Prosumers, benchmarking and hardware enthusiasts, and power users who need 64+ GB of RAM, 3+ graphics card setups, and/or lots of really high-speed storage and capture
People who need or want more than 4 cores for what they do (along with state-of-the-art per-core performance)
I'm guessing you're not one of the first two. I'd view this just in terms of whether or not you need the extra cores. Judge cost vs. core count. edit: and also consider the i5-4560k. Hypothetically in enough years we could see a 6-core processor offering nontrivial performance gains in games, for example. Keep in mind some people were bullish on games using 4 cores and so on back in 2007 when the Q6600 and so on was available, and look at how much still doesn't use that much effectively.
thanks for your input, i think i will stay away from ddr4 for now. was hoping it might be a time to upgrade but might be better i wait a little longer for price drops. what i wanted ended up being around 1.6k :/
I have a Q6600 still going strong with a GTX 750 for a light gaming rig. It's not really good for Starcraft 2 but almost every other game runs quite well.
On November 19 2014 14:20 Incognoto wrote: I have a Q6600 still going strong with a GTX 750 for a light gaming rig. It's not really good for Starcraft 2 but almost every other game runs quite well.
Pretty nice, but it wouldn't surprise me if a g3258 ran even stuff like bf4 better
thanks for your input, i think i will stay away from ddr4 for now. was hoping it might be a time to upgrade but might be better i wait a little longer for price drops. what i wanted ended up being around 1.6k :/
If you're concerned about performance and longevity, don't try to hold 5-6 years, just jump on the train with (preferably OC'd) mainstream CPU every 2 tocks (jan 2011, june 2013, mid-end 2015, ~2019 etc)
Ask the 2500k@4.7ghz guys how they feel about their 3 year old CPU's and upgrading after 4.5 years
Hyperthreading is nice (going from 2500k to 2600k or 4690k to 4790k) but it doesn't help for a lot of things and it costs a lot - if you can make the choice of getting OC i5 or stock i7 too, the OC i5 is better
Pretty nice, but it wouldn't surprise me if a g3258 ran even stuff like bf4 better
For sure, it would probably even run almost any game better. but it's more about not letting a processor sit around doing nothing while it could actually run games. i've had it for years, it's still in use. 4 cores isn't it bad for multi-threaded applications, though the computer isn't really used for that.
Be Quiet's new case, the Silent Base 800, has reviews out:
I'm building a small htpc for my sibling... is it better to get the i3-4370 (2 cores @ 3.8 base + HT) or the i5-4590S (4 cores @ 3.0 base/3.7 boost no HT)? Both have the same igpu and the i5 costs $30 more and 11W more TDP.
On November 20 2014 10:10 Myrmidon wrote: Both are way overkill for playback*. If it's going to be used for transcoding, maybe the i5-4590S.
edit: *possibly not for some kind of future format and 4k+ resolution decoding. In something inefficient like Flash. I guess.
I guess both are pretty overkill even if also used for browsing/office work. I forgot I can get the g3258 and i3-4160 at microcenter too... is the better igpu on the i3-4160 worth?
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Intend to play no games.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Business documents. Adobe reader etc. Scanning and printing.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? Yes, prefer Win 7.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes a 1080p Monitor.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Dell Monitor. AMD vid card.
What country will you be buying your parts in? US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Just looking to build a cheap bang-for-buck PC for my mom. A lot of the business stuff she does involves scanning documents and printing them. Something that turns on quick and on the go. Preferably Id like to fit in a SSD card to help with booting windows if the budget can allow it.
Why an AMD video card? I'm not seeing any reason for a dedicated video card in there, anyway, so I guess technically an AMD APU would work...
Actually, this is the price range where an off-the-shelf computer is cheaper. Because Windows already eats about $100 of the budget by itself, a full system from the likes of Dell, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, etc. liquidating some low-end box with Windows included (that they didn't pay $100 for) is a better value. That said, you don't get an SSD in the price range, so if you want that, DIY it is.
For around $600, you could say the money's pretty much where it counts here. edit: note that there probably will be a better deal on an SSD around Black Friday. There may be similar or better monitor deals, but that one is already pretty great, so it's harder to say. Windows cost could be reduced to. The rest is all cheapo stuff that generally doesn't get further sales, except possibly the RAM. Maybe.
Ill book mark these parts and be on the look out for black friday sales. Thanks.
PS: About the AMD card, Idk I just prefer these since theyre the only ones I used to buy. All the nvidia cards I bought lately would die within a year.
If you think the monitor's size matters (it does), the case and monitor are the two best deals above and may not necessarily be replicated around Black Friday. But you wouldn't be paying over $35-40 for something equivalent on the case at pretty much any time, so that's nothing too special.
In fact, if you want Dell, I don't think you'll find something better during Black Friday. You might find the 22" or 23" size at lower than $160, but those are worse for older eyes, no doubt. The cheaper options also may go on sale, but they're various combinations of worse TN panels, no height adjustment (ergonomics is a thing), glossy screens (fine if you can control light sources, but it's not optimal in the rooms most people use computers), etc.
I'd hold out on the rest if you don't need to get it now, though.
All the nvidia cards I bought lately would die within a year.
Both sides have people selling cheap cards (even those shouldn't die within a year or should have 2-3 year full warranty) but it doesn't matter much because both sides also have great quality cards with excellent warranty services available
On November 20 2014 12:52 Myrmidon wrote: Actually, this is the price range where an off-the-shelf computer is cheaper. Because Windows already eats about $100 of the budget by itself, a full system from the likes of Dell, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, etc. liquidating some low-end box with Windows included (that they didn't pay $100 for) is a better value. That said, you don't get an SSD in the price range, so if you want that, DIY it is.
My last build ran into this. It was an office PC and after all the shopping and assembly, I basically blew 75% of the savings on the windows markup (from bulk dealers) and the rest just got me an SSD that some Dell box wouldn't have come with. Currently trying to get a budget to hit the next price range where DIY shines. Current gaming pc has those myriad small headaches that 5 years of age bring. I'm hoping for good SSD deals, maybe Windows 7/8.1, and put it with something like an OC intel i5 (seems to be clear fav here) and a midrange card. My GTX285 is showing its age.
Might not be bad to get a shelf computer with a decent CPU and just shove in an SSD though. If you're only using windows + office + browers + scanning stuff, maybe a 64 Gb SSD is enough? Those aren't that expensive.
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 most likely (need a new one).
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? High settings on such things as Farcry 4, Dragon Age, Civ 5. I'll stream some, but as a hobby, not a career path.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Watching TV/movies/streams, photo development (Adobe Lightroom, etc), general office tasks.
Do you intend to overclock? Yes.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? Yes. Probably Windows 7.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, a new monitor. This is one area that I definitely need help picking something nice without getting ripped off.
What country will you be buying your parts in? U.S.A.
In short, I'm trying to decide whether to buy during black Friday or wait until Christmas. Since I haven't been tracking technology that much, I'm not sure which components to expect to find deals on (i.e. will there be a good enough deal on a higher end component to warrant changing my entire build?). I have flexibility in how much I'm spending so I'm trying to get the most value out of whatever I end up buying. Thanks for the help.
I'd like to ask for some assistance with this whole building process. Please let me know if there's anything I can add to help make this easier!
What is your budget? ~$900
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota, Overwatch when that comes out soon(c). I'd like to stream as well.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Coding Android applications.
Do you intend to overclock? No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No.
Do you need an operating system? Yes, Windows. Pretty indifferent on 7 or 8.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Only need the computer tower, I have mice/keyboards/etc lying around.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I'd like an Intel processor, but there's so fuckin many in each the i5 and i7 I'm utterly lost.
What country will you be buying your parts in? USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None.
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Please let me know if there's anything I can add to help make this easier!
