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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 14 2014 00:46 GMT
#8141
Its definitely possible to OC the HD 4600, but the issue is that since everything's on one chip; doing so would generate more heat and destabilize the CPU OC. At the end of the day if you set the CPU back to stock you can usually push the 4600 to 1500mhz or so but its honestly not worth it since the performance improvement is minimal (unplayable +5% is still unplayable)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 04:45:28
November 14 2014 04:37 GMT
#8142
Apparently my buddy got all his parts for this build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4jx9yc

Installed them all and it won't POST. Says he reseated everything, checked power and data to everything and nothing. It'll turn on for a couple of seconds and shut down before anything comes on the screen. HDD, Fans, lights all spin up. I'm not there myself to double check for him, maybe I'll go over there tomorrow, but any ideas?

He's claiming the mobo manual says it needs a 500w supply, but the pcpartpicker says estimated 338w needed. I don't see why the mobo would give a shit how much power it has.
LiquidDota Staff
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
November 14 2014 06:02 GMT
#8143
PSU wattage isn't the problem

triple check all connections, there are multiple into the mobo for the CPU etc
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
November 14 2014 14:59 GMT
#8144
I guess he got it fixed, CPU power wasn't plugged in all the way =P
LiquidDota Staff
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
November 15 2014 01:45 GMT
#8145
On November 13 2014 23:59 Ropid wrote:
Save money by buying an i5-4690k instead of the i7. If you overclock manually, the default speed difference will disappear.

Additionally, there's less of a battle trying to cool the i5. An i7 runs a good bit hotter because of HyperThreading so there's a good chance that the max. speed you get through overclocking will be higher if you choose an i5 (though you could technically disable HyperThreading on the i7, but then you spent $100 for nothing). The max. speed is the sole thing that determines the framerate you'll see in WoW, nothing special about the i7 will help push it in front.

All of this is of course highly influenced by luck. What I just wrote about i5 > i7 is basically only true when thinking about averages. The particular CPU you get might be very good or very bad, no matter if you decide on i5 or i7.

You could choose Crucial MX100 to save some money on the SSDs. There's also a 512gb model for $210 or so, and a possibly more robust Crucial M550 512gb for $250.

You should look up the prices for faster RAM. If you find a memory kit with something like 2133 MHz that's close in price to that 1600 MHz kit you have on your list, then choose the faster kit. You won't gain a lot of FPS, but you will still get a little bit more. If you think about it as adding $15 or so to the price of the whole machine, it's definitely worth it. Basically, only choose 1600 MHz if you get it very cheap.


I literally can quit / am quitting my job with a nest egg, have WoW : WoD and prepaid card in hand, and my whole pc in parts before me. I think I should have asked you or Cyro, etc for the i5 frontload advice, but I think I'll start streaming some Twilight Princess speed runs on the Gamecube.
Support your esport!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 02:07:46
November 15 2014 02:06 GMT
#8146
On November 15 2014 10:45 Alabasern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 23:59 Ropid wrote:
Save money by buying an i5-4690k instead of the i7. If you overclock manually, the default speed difference will disappear.

Additionally, there's less of a battle trying to cool the i5. An i7 runs a good bit hotter because of HyperThreading so there's a good chance that the max. speed you get through overclocking will be higher if you choose an i5 (though you could technically disable HyperThreading on the i7, but then you spent $100 for nothing). The max. speed is the sole thing that determines the framerate you'll see in WoW, nothing special about the i7 will help push it in front.

All of this is of course highly influenced by luck. What I just wrote about i5 > i7 is basically only true when thinking about averages. The particular CPU you get might be very good or very bad, no matter if you decide on i5 or i7.

You could choose Crucial MX100 to save some money on the SSDs. There's also a 512gb model for $210 or so, and a possibly more robust Crucial M550 512gb for $250.

You should look up the prices for faster RAM. If you find a memory kit with something like 2133 MHz that's close in price to that 1600 MHz kit you have on your list, then choose the faster kit. You won't gain a lot of FPS, but you will still get a little bit more. If you think about it as adding $15 or so to the price of the whole machine, it's definitely worth it. Basically, only choose 1600 MHz if you get it very cheap.


I literally can quit / am quitting my job with a nest egg, have WoW : WoD and prepaid card in hand, and my whole pc in parts before me. I think I should have asked you or Cyro, etc for the i5 frontload advice, but I think I'll start streaming some Twilight Princess speed runs on the Gamecube.


HF with WOD, i'm glad to have overclocked Haswell. In lightly populated zones when it's 300fps on OC haswell vs 150fps on stock FX, it doesn't matter that much

when it's 120 vs 60, it doesn't matter that much either

but when the game looks like this:

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Having 30fps while everyone on FX, phenom II or first gen core CPU's at stock has 10-15fps is really nice. Monster CPU ftw :D

WoW shows almost no scaling past 2 cores and no benefit going from 3 to 4 cores or adding hyperthreading, it's pretty similar to sc2 and some other MMO's (i tested that recently, on the current expansion patch)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
November 15 2014 02:49 GMT
#8147
On November 14 2014 23:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
I guess he got it fixed, CPU power wasn't plugged in all the way =P


Good fortune to those who triple-check
Support your esport!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
November 15 2014 11:18 GMT
#8148
I googled but I found nothing. I need a list of all preferred i5 4xxx (up to €200) which are good for all Blizzard games (including LotV and Overwatch) except WoW. Mainboard ofc between H81 and H97.

I am going to two pc shops and I will inscribe with price from all cpu+mb they have. I never did online ordering, so I am very limited. Most likely I need new ddr rams too, I am going to buy the one with lowest price.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 15 2014 11:36 GMT
#8149
Fractal Design Define R5 is being teased:

http://imgur.com/a/KlEaU/

maru lover forever
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
November 15 2014 20:44 GMT
#8150
Hey guys got a question is http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HSKSMI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=38247MZ7RKW82&coliid=I2O0KZN1VLMIA1 a good monitor with a gtx760 gpu for $190 ?
JD, need I say more? :D
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
November 15 2014 21:33 GMT
#8151
IMO pick one:

1; cheaper monitor
2; nice IPS with a stand etc that you like
3; 144hz

$190 is kinda meh for a 60 (75?)hz TN
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
November 15 2014 21:43 GMT
#8152
On November 16 2014 06:33 Cyro wrote:
IMO pick one:

1; cheaper monitor
2; nice IPS with a stand etc that you like
3; 144hz

$190 is kinda meh for a 60 (75?)hz TN


What would you pick if I am going to go for a monitor under $200 ? I trust your opinion since you have helped me out in the past and my monitor knowledge is pretty crappy. I've looked up both TN and IPS but tbh I have no clue tho
JD, need I say more? :D
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 15 2014 22:01 GMT
#8153
If you live in the united states you should be able to find a pair of medicore 1080p screens for 200 bucks during black friday
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
November 15 2014 22:16 GMT
#8154
On November 16 2014 07:01 Kupon3ss wrote:
If you live in the united states you should be able to find a pair of medicore 1080p screens for 200 bucks during black friday


Yea my goal is to keep checking amazon the week prior leading up to black friday and on black friday. The problem is my knowledge of what type of monitor/brand I should keep an eye out for. I don't feel like fighting my way through stores tho in the morning since I live around one of the biggest malls in the US/stores they get insane.
JD, need I say more? :D
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 15 2014 22:23 GMT
#8155
On November 16 2014 07:16 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 07:01 Kupon3ss wrote:
If you live in the united states you should be able to find a pair of medicore 1080p screens for 200 bucks during black friday


Yea my goal is to keep checking amazon the week prior leading up to black friday and on black friday. The problem is my knowledge of what type of monitor/brand I should keep an eye out for. I don't feel like fighting my way through stores tho in the morning since I live around one of the biggest malls in the US/stores they get insane.


There's no real need to go to a store, newegg and tigerdirect both have monitors at that price already

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4841118&csid=_61&rrpl=item_page.content1&rrstr=ClickCP&rrindex=1

there's i think some 10 dollar off coupon for that as well and for the average user who does more than just gaming 2 decent monitors will usually be better than 1 144hz or whatever thing
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
November 16 2014 01:08 GMT
#8156
For those uses, i would recommend finding something cheap second hand - i have a decade old vga 4:3 lcd that gives most multi-screen (with a primary gaming screen) function that i imagine people would want to get rid of for very low prices

for individual monitor recommendations, i'm not a monitor person either and i know very little about all but a few basic ideas and some models
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 08:30:38
November 16 2014 08:27 GMT
#8157
On November 16 2014 07:16 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 07:01 Kupon3ss wrote:
If you live in the united states you should be able to find a pair of medicore 1080p screens for 200 bucks during black friday


Yea my goal is to keep checking amazon the week prior leading up to black friday and on black friday. The problem is my knowledge of what type of monitor/brand I should keep an eye out for. I don't feel like fighting my way through stores tho in the morning since I live around one of the biggest malls in the US/stores they get insane.

http://slickdeals.net/f/7308774-24-dell-e2414hr-1080p-led-monitor-for-99-99

http://slickdeals.net/f/7351570-dell-24-led-hd-monitor-black-for-99-99

Slickdeals has had a lot of the black friday ads up for a while. Whether or not you'll be able to actually snag one before the unwashed masses is another story.

MoA?
LiquidDota Staff
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 10:13:19
November 16 2014 10:11 GMT
#8158
Saw this on youtube:


Be Quiet's facilities were shown in this video. Some interesting stuff, they mostly show test benches though instead of the actual factories. Be quiet is entering the case market though, which I find interesting. It's also about time that they did, in my opinion. If you have CPU coolers, power supplies and fans, it's only natural that you also start making cases as well.

Nice stuff (though it'll probably be overpriced like all be quiet products lul)
maru lover forever
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
November 16 2014 12:55 GMT
#8159
~ ! ~ Here's day one :D

[image loading]
Support your esport!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 16 2014 16:02 GMT
#8160
On November 16 2014 05:44 LimeNade wrote:
Hey guys got a question is http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HSKSMI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=38247MZ7RKW82&coliid=I2O0KZN1VLMIA1 a good monitor with a gtx760 gpu for $190 ?

A TN monitor that expensive that's only 60 Hz 1080p is a waste.

Nobody knows what's best for you because it depends on your preferences (different things better for different purposes), but it doesn't seem like you have any idea what you want.

How many monitors do you own now, and what are you using now? If you have a laptop, unless it's certain higher-end models it's likely that even a $100 generic TN monitor is going to kill its screen for quality overall.

Go here and click "start test" on the colored squares and report what you see.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time.php

Go here and look at the solid colors (try a relatively close viewing distance but no closer than you'd realistically use during normal operation) and report what you see.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

How much do you game, and how much is that a priority? Which kinds of games?


On November 16 2014 19:11 Incognoto wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Saw this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng_rajEF3Aw

Be Quiet's facilities were shown in this video. Some interesting stuff, they mostly show test benches though instead of the actual factories. Be quiet is entering the case market though, which I find interesting. It's also about time that they did, in my opinion. If you have CPU coolers, power supplies and fans, it's only natural that you also start making cases as well.

Nice stuff (though it'll probably be overpriced like all be quiet products lul)

If they're showing HQ, then that's because they don't have factories because they use Chinese manufacturing like everyone else does. Some of the other larger brands like Corsair and such should be similar in this regard: offices for design / testing / sales / marketing, no manufacturing.
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