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The above monitors aren't bad, and they don't really go obsolete in the sense that other hardware does.
If you're looking at 120 Hz+ models, those are (pretty much) all TN and would have worse picture quality than the cheaper ones listed, just better motion performance and potentially slightly lower latency on some of the models. Those go for about $250+ so I wouldn't be shocked if some fell to $200 or possibly even lower. Depending on the game, you may not actually get much higher than 60 fps at higher settings with a GTX 760, especially in the future, so the utility could be limited.
2560x1440 models even from off-brands that probably wouldn't get any cheaper are around $300 and up, and they also would require more graphics card horsepower.
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On November 10 2014 13:08 Myrmidon wrote:
The above monitors aren't bad, and they don't really go obsolete in the sense that other hardware does.
If you're looking at 120 Hz+ models, those are (pretty much) all TN and would have worse picture quality than the cheaper ones listed, just better motion performance and potentially slightly lower latency on some of the models. Those go for about $250+ so I wouldn't be shocked if some fell to $200 or possibly even lower. Depending on the game, you may not actually get much higher than 60 fps at higher settings with a GTX 760, especially in the future, so the utility could be limited.
2560x1440 models even from off-brands that probably wouldn't get any cheaper are around $300 and up, and they also would require more graphics card horsepower.
I'd just like to add that I've gotten myself a BenQ XL2411Z a couple months back and I couldn't be happier. Found a very nice price for Europe, (€250, about $300) and you should be able to find the Asus equivalent (Asus VG248QE) for about $250 too. I'd say they're definitely worth it, atleast the BenQ. The sheer feeling that 144hz gives me is just so unmissable now, even though you might not ''see'' it as much, you definitely feel it especially when just operating windows. You've got to keep in mind, information is sent about twice as many times into your eyes. If you can gather up the budget, the $250 144hz models are worth it. But watch out, because with a 760 you'll be mostly benefiting games like CS:GO, Starcraft II (depending on your processor) and similar, older games with it, because your card cannot keep up with 60+FPS on newer engines and their games.
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On November 11 2014 00:44 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2014 13:08 Myrmidon wrote:
The above monitors aren't bad, and they don't really go obsolete in the sense that other hardware does.
If you're looking at 120 Hz+ models, those are (pretty much) all TN and would have worse picture quality than the cheaper ones listed, just better motion performance and potentially slightly lower latency on some of the models. Those go for about $250+ so I wouldn't be shocked if some fell to $200 or possibly even lower. Depending on the game, you may not actually get much higher than 60 fps at higher settings with a GTX 760, especially in the future, so the utility could be limited.
2560x1440 models even from off-brands that probably wouldn't get any cheaper are around $300 and up, and they also would require more graphics card horsepower. I'd just like to add that I've gotten myself a BenQ XL2411Z a couple months back and I couldn't be happier. Found a very nice price for Europe, (€250, about $300) and you should be able to find the Asus equivalent (Asus VG248QE) for about $250 too. I'd say they're definitely worth it, atleast the BenQ. The sheer feeling that 144hz gives me is just so unmissable now, even though you might not ''see'' it as much, you definitely feel it especially when just operating windows. You've got to keep in mind, information is sent about twice as many times into your eyes. If you can gather up the budget, the $250 144hz models are worth it. But watch out, because with a 760 you'll be mostly benefiting games like CS:GO, Starcraft II (depending on your processor) and similar, older games with it, because your card cannot keep up with 60+FPS on newer engines and their games.
i think you need a fast processor to render lots of fps.
sounds sexy though i think i'll be getting a monitor like that as my next purchase
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information is sent about twice as many times into your eyes
2.4x :D
so 2.4x smoothness and a peak delay of ~+6.95ms from screen refresh instead of ~16.67ms, for windows or anything at a high framerate (mostly stuff like osu, league, WoW, sc2, csgo is super easy to run at good settings and very high FPS.. with some exceptions there for FPS being lower when the engine is stressed)
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reduced screen tearing even without v-sync as well!
i know that i have screen tearing on a 60 hz monitor so :B
does it reduce micro-stutter though? hmm this is that one topic i never managed to wrap my head around, no matter how many times the regulars have attempted to explain to me
e: wait lemme think, micro sutter happens when a frame is rendered twice, simply speaking, right? ah that makes sense
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It reduces some forms of screen-produced microstutter, for example on 60hz:
45fps (3/4 of refresh rate) is pretty smooth
48fps (4/5 of refresh rate) is pretty smooth
~46.5fps is less smooth to the point of being noticeable in some situations. With higher refresh rates, that stuff is less of an issue; gsync eliminates it completely
screen tearing happens way more often, but the tears are proportionally smaller and on screen for much shorter time. I notice tearing a lot more on 60hz
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l'll probably bump my budget to 150 and try to get a good 60hz monitor on black friday rather than a less effective120hz
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hey guys so Ive got all my parts and Im about to put it together, I have Fractal design R4 Define with two 140mm Silent Series R2 fans they have been mounted by default in the case, one of them is top Rear and the other is bottom Front(it cools lower cage sdd/hdd) I have one more 120mm fan available + noctua on my CPU Im thinking where should I put that 120mm fan, I was thinking since there is one more bigger cage on top of the bottom sdd/hdd cage and its removable and there is a possibility to mount a fan there, it would be cooling Graphics card and so I was thinking its a goo place the other two possibilities are on the top I suppose one on the bottom near PSU, could you tell me what would be best?
EDIT: okay I was thinking since I have only 1x TB SSD which is small as fuck I can take that FRONT bottom 140mm fan and mount it a little bit higher and put that ssd on its path in the middle cage while removing everything else from the mid cage and that way I can have all of that 140mm fan air flow going into GPU and also hitting ssd(but I dont think its that important since my case has option of mounting ssds on the back of motherboard where there is no cooling) and then I can put my last 120mm fan maybe on top pointing down hiting my noctua heat sink
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Try front intake, maybe bottom intake. I'm not sure exactly on how stuff fits in the case. If you can go 2x front intake without causing some big problem, it's probably best i think?
SSD's don't need to be actively cooled, HDD's kinda do, but as long as there is air moving somewhere close, they don't need a fan on them - it's just not a great idea to put one in a completely enclosed compartment
Btw this is kinda interesting
This is one of the new metrics enabled by the NVAPI queries: "FB" or "Framebuffer" Utilization. It's expressed as a percentage, and is actually named misleadingly. What it really measures is the percentage of time each GPU's memory controller is busy and, by proxy, its bandwidth utilization.
Now, we didn't pick these two cards at random. We chose them because they come equipped with the same 128-bit interface at 1350MHz, delivering up to 86.4GB/s. At an equal throughput (FPS), their bandwidth utilization should be directly comparable. Their frame rates aren't the same, though. The GeForce GTX 750 Ti achieves higher performance, shown by the frame rate chart. Thus, we normalize the metric for the GM107-based board using the GeForce GTX 650 Ti's performance. That is the third blue line you see in the chart.
The results are impressive. A Maxwell-based GPU appears to deliver 25% more FPS than a Kepler GPU in the same price range, while at the same time reducing its memory bandwidth utilization by 33%. Stated differently, on a per-frame basis, the GeForce GTX 750 Ti needs half of the memory bandwidth in the Metro: Last Light benchmark.
Graphics memory utilization improvements linked to the Maxwell architecture are beyond impressive - graphics memory bandwidth requirements are essentially halved by Maxwell. This latter finding was confirmed by Nvidia.
Can people stop complaining about gm200 only apparently having 384 bit bus with ~8ghz memory now? 
I was quoting Tonga numbers before (AMD said ~40% gains from color compression alone) but tomshardware seems to think Maxwell blows those out of the water
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hey guys so Im done building my case got my windows 8.1  and started playing with overclocking already
I have i5 4690k on gigabyte z97x gaming 5
I failed to boot the system at 46 multiplier at 1,2v
I run AIDA64 stability test at 4,5 ghz now and set Vcore @ 1.25(but aida reports that voltage is at 1.26 and 1.272, does aida overrides my bios 1,25 vcore settings?) on full load I have highest core temps at 70C and averages below 60C so I suppose I still have room to raise vcore and to try to go for 4.6ghz? obv I could use some help because Im noob at this)
Edit: still unstable at 1.25 vcore so I put it on 1.27v in bios (but again it runs 1,284v) from what I hear its kinda high voltage but temps are still low, what are the other downsides of high vcore other than frying your cpu?
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Hey,
So a few pages ago, I listed a build I had planned on making. However after giving it some more thought I've decided to change my mind with it. Initially I was going to do a build with an i7-5280k and X99 board. The thing is, I'm mainly going to be gaming with it and doing a bit of simulation work (for school) and it seemed a bit excessive (and expensive ) This is also the first time I'm going to OC a PC and am trying to keep that in mind.
The new build I've come up with is as follows:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/InquisitorJ/saved/2sy8TW
CPU: i7-4790k
Mobo: Gigabyte Z97X-UD5H
RAM: G.Skill Trident X Series DDR3-2400 (2x4GB)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i
Storage:
Crucial MX100 256GB SSD
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM HD [Already Have]
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM HD
Videocard: PNY GTX970 x2 (For SLI) [Already Have 1]
PSU: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold
Case: Fractal Define R4
My plan for buying all this is to get all but the second 970 and the PSU within the next month or so so it will only be around $1000 for it all. (I already have a 650W PSU I can use until I decide to get another 970) My previous build was going to cost me about $1400 so I'm thinking of using the price difference to get a new monitor.
Is there anything people would change with this? There are so many options it seems out there to choose from aha.
Thanks!
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Hi I'm considering building a cheap PC sometime in the near future and I remembered black friday deals are coming up soon. I was hoping someone who has experience buying around black friday deals could answer this.
Let's take this example build from the front page of the website LINK
If I were to stick to that build exactly, what kind of savings would I expect if I were to buy completely from newegg on black friday?
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On November 12 2014 05:19 napalmion wrote:hey guys so Im done building my case got my windows 8.1 and started playing with overclocking already I have i5 4690k on gigabyte z97x gaming 5 I failed to boot the system at 46 multiplier at 1,2v I run AIDA64 stability test at 4,5 ghz now and set Vcore @ 1.25(but aida reports that voltage is at 1.26 and 1.272, does aida overrides my bios 1,25 vcore settings?) on full load I have highest core temps at 70C and averages below 60C so I suppose I still have room to raise vcore and to try to go for 4.6ghz? obv I could use some help because Im noob at this ) Edit: still unstable at 1.25 vcore so I put it on 1.27v in bios (but again it runs 1,284v) from what I hear its kinda high voltage but temps are still low, what are the other downsides of high vcore other than frying your cpu?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/
aida is kinda bad, very little reason to use anything other than x264 maybe paired with a few large fft sizes with certain prime versions
that guide should explain (among many other things) that vcore @load will be 0.02v higher than set in bios, 1.29v is also not a very high voltage, pretty much everyone uses that. 1.4vcore 24/7 would be around where "high" is, 1.3 or even 1.35 isn't very scary for a general gaming system
what are the other downsides of high vcore other than frying your cpu?
power usage and heat output are proportional to the square of voltage and then usually higher still because significant changes in temperature (being at 80c instead of 55c for example) cause a few notable effects like higher power usage+heatoutput because of higher resistance in the chip
Is there anything people would change with this? There are so many options it seems out there to choose from aha.
i would get a high airflow case so that you can more easily keep 2x 970 at below ~75c at all times while running OC on them, the r4 is a quiet case, not particularly one optimized for cycling a lot of air out - needing to have GPU fans at 100% in a quiet case instead of for example 70% in a normal case kinda offsets a lot of the point of them
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thanks Cyro that link for oc is sick
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On November 12 2014 09:27 Cyro wrote:
i would get a high airflow case so that you can more easily keep 2x 970 at below ~75c at all times while running OC on them, the r4 is a quiet case, not particularly one optimized for cycling a lot of air out - needing to have GPU fans at 100% in a quiet case instead of for example 70% in a normal case kinda offsets a lot of the point of them
Not to mention that the power supply is a relatively loud model and the H100i or other 2x120 or 2x140 radiator would require removing some of the blanking plates to actually mount the thing anywhere. If you're going to be opening up the top to let noise out as soon as you get the case, why even look at a Define R4 in the first place?
On November 12 2014 06:06 knyttym wrote:Hi I'm considering building a cheap PC sometime in the near future and I remembered black friday deals are coming up soon. I was hoping someone who has experience buying around black friday deals could answer this. Let's take this example build from the front page of the website LINKIf I were to stick to that build exactly, what kind of savings would I expect if I were to buy completely from newegg on black friday?
Not that much. $30 would be my guess, but that's pretty arbitrary. The sales are more about more premium peripheral components coming down in price than the type of stuff you're getting falling way down. And it's not so much that everything drops in price but that it's possible to find rough equivalents on larger sales. If you don't know what to switch to, you may not find much in savings.
You could save over $30 now on practically the same machine anyway, just by hunting around for similar products on better deals. Pretty much everything there looks overpriced as it is, and on the power supply somehow that's spending $80 for sub-$50 barebones quality, just at the 600W level (way more than needed) and with a couple modular cables.
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On November 12 2014 09:27 Cyro wrote:
i would get a high airflow case so that you can more easily keep 2x 970 at below ~75c at all times while running OC on them, the r4 is a quiet case, not particularly one optimized for cycling a lot of air out - needing to have GPU fans at 100% in a quiet case instead of for example 70% in a normal case kinda offsets a lot of the point of them
That's good to know. Is there one in particular you would recommend? From looking online it seemed like Corsairs 400/500r cases might be good replacements or their 450D one (if I want a windowed case)
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looks like Im finding stability 4,6ghz @ 1,31v on my 4690k with temperatures slightly below 70C on that x264 test VRIN(1,95v) Im really tempted to go for 4,7ghz but I couldnt find stability even at 1,41 vid highest voltage I put was 1,42 vid (1,44 vcore) and it almost stabilized (it bsod after almost 1h of x264) but temperatures were like 75-85C
Cyro or if someone knows, would you chase that 47 multiplier or just ramp up my rams/uncore on that 4,6ghz@1,31v?
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On November 13 2014 03:51 napalmion wrote:
looks like Im finding stability 4,6ghz @ 1,31v on my 4690k with temperatures slightly below 70C on that x264 test VRIN(1,95v) Im really tempted to go for 4,7ghz but I couldnt find stability even at 1,41 vid highest voltage I put was 1,42 vid (1,44 vcore) and it almost stabilized (it bsod after almost 1h of x264) but temperatures were like 75-85C
Cyro or if someone knows, would you chase that 47 multiplier or just ramp up my rams/uncore on that 4,6ghz@1,31v?
probably 46 24/7 but still experiment with 47 maybe
for 1.38vid you might need like 2.15v input but start at 2v with llc
best to get 46x profile super stable
On November 13 2014 02:15 Inquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 09:27 Cyro wrote:
i would get a high airflow case so that you can more easily keep 2x 970 at below ~75c at all times while running OC on them, the r4 is a quiet case, not particularly one optimized for cycling a lot of air out - needing to have GPU fans at 100% in a quiet case instead of for example 70% in a normal case kinda offsets a lot of the point of them That's good to know. Is there one in particular you would recommend? From looking online it seemed like Corsairs 400/500r cases might be good replacements or their 450D one (if I want a windowed case)
I use an Air540
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I can forget about getting it stable at 1,38 vid unless changing some other things I didnt even think about could make this big of a difference at 1,42 vid I felt close to stabilizing under load it was 1,44 vcore so I might give 1,43 vid a shot but I will be heating 1,45 vcore and temps propably getting close to 90C
okay I put it at 1,425vid(1,452vcore) no stability during test, then I bumped vid to 1,43 which actually resulted at same 1,452vcore and same vrin so I gave it last go at vid 1,435 which bumped vcore to 1,464v(2,15v input) and still no stability
and temperatures of 90C on hottest cores, since Im a newbie Im not raising voltage any higher I can play with other settings if it can help me get that 47 (I couldnt find that llc in my bios you were talking about, will google that I guess)
btw this is fun I must admit
Im running uncore x35(stock of 4690k?) and uncore voltage on auto(1,05v I think) I could set it to 33x like it was suggested in that guide(I have gigabyte board) and put that voltage to 1,15v but my common sense tells me it shouldnt have huge impact on stability on that 4,7ghz core
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On November 13 2014 01:12 Myrmidon wrote:
Not that much. $30 would be my guess, but that's pretty arbitrary. The sales are more about more premium peripheral components coming down in price than the type of stuff you're getting falling way down. And it's not so much that everything drops in price but that it's possible to find rough equivalents on larger sales. If you don't know what to switch to, you may not find much in savings.
You could save over $30 now on practically the same machine anyway, just by hunting around for similar products on better deals. Pretty much everything there looks overpriced as it is, and on the power supply somehow that's spending $80 for sub-$50 barebones quality, just at the 600W level (way more than needed) and with a couple modular cables.
Thanks that sounds pretty reasonable.
And it's not so much that everything drops in price but that it's possible to find rough equivalents on larger sales. If you don't know what to switch to, you may not find much in savings.
Could you clarify what you mean by this?
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