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On November 06 2014 20:19 napalmion wrote:
are all i5 4690k Devil's Canyons? because it doesnt say it on the page I bought it from
also I think I had a good idea, because Ive been reading that Intel HD Graphics 4600 integrated GPU on the processor is pretty good, maybe I can skip getting GPU for now if Im not playing any dedicated game with steep requirements: )
it's enough for very light gaming, at 1080p that means the lowest settings.
there's nothing wrong with getting your i5, using integrated graphics and judging on the spot if it's enough for your current needs.
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Thanks a lot for the help Ropid!
On November 06 2014 14:43 Incognoto wrote:@kwizach, here is the PSU you want to buy and then the PSU(s) I'm recommending: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-117313-microcity_Be-Quiet.BN199.680-Watt-Straight-Power-E9-CM-680W-Modular-Cable-**-Pro-Choice-**.htmlhttp://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-917502-microcity_Cooler-Master.RS550-AMAAG1-EU.550W-semi-modular-(80 )-gold.htmlhttp://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-752272-microcity_Cooler-Master.RS700-AFBAG1-EU.Vanguard-V-700W-Modular-Cable.htmlThe first thing I want to say is that no, the Be Quiet E9 680 isn't a bad PSU by any means, it won't fry your computer should you use it or anything horrible like that. However there are a few issues with this unit which is why I think you should get something better for your money: 1. 680W is overkill for you build, 550W is much more adapted, getting that unit saves money. 2. Straight Power E9 uses third-rate Chinese CapXon caps, which is ridiculous considering that unit costs €130. I like BQ! units myself but they are often overpriced for what they are. 3. Ripple for this unit is also nothing special, the PSUs I'm recommending have very good ripple. For less money you can get the CM V550S which has excellent ripple suppression, voltage regulation, the caps used are better and it's also very quiet: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CoolerMaster/V550S/10.htmlIf you want full modularity and an overkill unit anyway, then spend €1 more to get the excellent Cooler Master V700. This PSU also has excellent performance, it's much better than the Straight Power E9: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=360Regardless of what build you're going to get, there's no reason to spend more money on average PSUs when you can spend less money to get excellent ones.
Thanks a lot Incognoto. I think I'll go with the CM V700 just to be sure. I suppose having a 700W unit does not have any negative impact on a build which needs less power (apart from being more expensive to buy)?
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It's fine, no worries. It's pricier, which is the biggest drawback. Then there's lower efficiency at low loads but that's not really an issue at all. However the unit is fully modular, is of excellent quality and it also allows for SLI down the line, which isn't bad considering since the system your building could incorporate a second 970 without an afterthought.
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Hey guys I was wondering if someone could recommend to me a couple of companies that make good computer monitors. My current GPU is a gtx760 but my current monitor is a 60hz Sceptre that is probably 5-6 years old and with Black Friday coming up in a few weeks I am looking to purchase a new monitor if prices drop within my spending range.
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On November 07 2014 03:56 LimeNade wrote:
Hey guys I was wondering if someone could recommend to me a couple of companies that make good computer monitors. My current GPU is a gtx760 but my current monitor is a 60hz Sceptre that is probably 5-6 years old and with Black Friday coming up in a few weeks I am looking to purchase a new monitor if prices drop within my spending range.
Probably better off asking in the monitor thread, though I guess these threads overlap anyway
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/308280-teamliquid-monitor-thread
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On November 07 2014 04:20 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 03:56 LimeNade wrote:
Hey guys I was wondering if someone could recommend to me a couple of companies that make good computer monitors. My current GPU is a gtx760 but my current monitor is a 60hz Sceptre that is probably 5-6 years old and with Black Friday coming up in a few weeks I am looking to purchase a new monitor if prices drop within my spending range. Probably better off asking in the monitor thread, though I guess these threads overlap anyway http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/308280-teamliquid-monitor-thread
ah kk thanks for point me in the right direction ^_^
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On November 07 2014 02:47 Incognoto wrote:
It's fine, no worries. It's pricier, which is the biggest drawback. Then there's lower efficiency at low loads but that's not really an issue at all. However the unit is fully modular, is of excellent quality and it also allows for SLI down the line, which isn't bad considering since the system your building could incorporate a second 970 without an afterthought.
Great thanks!
Another question while I'm at it: I'm about to buy a new external monitor (a BenQ XL2420Z). Since I'm a bit paranoid about a screen failure (dead pixels etc.), would you say it's better to buy one in a shop or is commanding it online fine? In case of a problem, which one is better?
edit: one last question: So I'm going with the Fractal Define R4 case, and a total of three 140mm fans. The two stock 140mm fans are: one intake at the front, and one exhaust at the back. Should I add the third 140mm fan (a Be Quiet Pure Wings 2) also at the front (intake) or on the side (intake as well)?
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If anyone has the answer to my fan question above, I'll be ready to order my build :p Thanks in advance!
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Return processes are usually easier (in the very least, takes less time) and cheaper in store, but it really depends on policies of all the options involved.
Fan placement depends on all the configuration involved and the other parts, especially the CPU and GPU coolers, but usually for a case like that the side placement yields lower temperatures. But there are many caveats to consider. Keep in mind that the design of a case is intended to keep most internally generated noise within and absorbed by the side panels and damping material. Putting a fan on the side is opening that side for noise to escape and furthermore putting a noise source in that location. However, in many configurations the improvement and change in airflow actually might reduce noise (at equivalent temperatures) with the right control, so it could still be optimal. The other issue is that a side fan mount makes opening the case more annoying, what with the fan needing to still be wired to the rest of the system, and there's no fan filter there unless you rig one yourself. You'd be blowing unfiltered air directly to the graphics card heatsink, so you'd need to clean that more often.
I'd use the front placement myself, but I'm lazy with regards to maintenance.
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I would use the front or the bottom.
This particular case has dampening mats on the side panels and top. The fan mounting positions at the top and on the side panel are by default closed up by a removable, thick block of dampening material. The two front positions for fans are always open for air.
There's also another position at the bottom that might be interesting. It's between the PSU and the drive cages. An intake fan over there seems like it might be a good alternative to using the side panel position. This means you can use up to four fans before you have to open up the side panel and top positions.
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On November 08 2014 04:52 Myrmidon wrote:
Return processes are usually easier (in the very least, takes less time) and cheaper in store, but it really depends on policies of all the options involved.
Fan placement depends on all the configuration involved and the other parts, especially the CPU and GPU coolers, but usually for a case like that the side placement yields lower temperatures. But there are many caveats to consider. Keep in mind that the design of a case is intended to keep most internally generated noise within and absorbed by the side panels and damping material. Putting a fan on the side is opening that side for noise to escape and furthermore putting a noise source in that location. However, in many configurations the improvement and change in airflow actually might reduce noise (at equivalent temperatures) with the right control, so it could still be optimal. The other issue is that a side fan mount makes opening the case more annoying, what with the fan needing to still be wired to the rest of the system, and there's no fan filter there unless you rig one yourself. You'd be blowing unfiltered air directly to the graphics card heatsink, so you'd need to clean that more often.
I'd use the front placement myself, but I'm lazy with regards to maintenance.
Thanks a lot for that detailed answer, Myrmidon. I would myself like to avoid cleaning inside as much as possible, so even though the side fan might be more optimal in terms of temperatures do you think having the two intake fans at the front will still be enough for my build to not have to worry about temperatures (I don't plan on overclocking or anything)?
As a reminder, this is what will be inside the Fractal Design Define R4 case:
+ Show Spoiler +Processor: Intel s1150 4 Core - i7 4790K 8Mb Cache / 8 Thread 4.0GHz/4.4Ghz Turbo - Graphics 4600 88W
Cooling: Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 / 135mm Silent Wings
Motherboard: Asrock s1150 - Z97 Professional Fatal1ty ATX - Killer E2200 - HDD Saver - Core3D
Graphic card: GeForce GTX980 G1 Gaming 4Gb DDR5
RAM: Kingston DDR3 - 2133Mhz - 16GB HyperX Beast CL11 ( 2x8GB ) + Headspread
DVD: LG Blu-Ray RW 16x Black SATA
OS: Microsoft Windows8.1 64-bit FR Oem + Install & Configuration
HDD: Caviar Blue 1000Gb - 3.5inch SATA 3,6GB/s,7200RPM,64MB
SSD: Crucial 512GB 2,5 (6.3cm) MX100 SATAIII intern retail
PSU: Vanguard V 700W Modular Cable
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On November 08 2014 04:55 Ropid wrote:
I would use the front or the bottom.
This particular case has dampening mats on the side panels and top. The fan mounting positions at the top and on the side panel are by default closed up by a removable, thick block of dampening material. The two front positions for fans are always open for air.
There's also another position at the bottom that might be interesting. It's between the PSU and the drive cages. An intake fan over there seems like it might be a good alternative to using the side panel position. This means you can use up to four fans before you have to open up the side panel and top positions.
Thank you Ropid! I think I'll go with the two intake fans at the front, then, based on your comments and Myrmidon's, if you think they'll suffice for my build. I really appreciate it, cheers :-)
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there is really no need for the expensive CPU cooler or z97 motherboard if you are not overclocking CPU, 700w power supply is kinda crazy (expected power usage would be something like 300w from the psu at combined cpu and gpu load)
and also i must recommend again a 970 because 980 is literally hundreds of dollars more expensive, but you can drag a few sliders and test for half an hour to have the same performance on a 970. If you really want that level of performance, that's just a much cheaper way to do it (and you don't really have to overvolt at all, the stock clocks on these things are just way lower than they have to be.. enough for me to gain 15% performance on stock voltages)
With overclocking like that also being covered in the warranty at least by MSI as far as i know - i find it really difficult to find any reason -not- to do it. The 980 is at a completely ridiculous price only because it's arguably the best single GPU but 970/290/780 are close in performance (less than 20% worse, even stock vs stock for 970) while being over 1.5x as much performance per dollar/euro. There are literally some of the best 970's available on ocuk for £270 while 980 is £500 and like i said, if you drag the sliders on a 970 and put just an hour of your time into it, they're basically the same thing compared to if you had just bought a 980 and not touched it
You'd be blowing unfiltered air directly to the graphics card heatsink, so you'd need to clean that more often.
Usually with decently ventilated cases, i've read a few threads on the subject and i think it's best to run an intake side fan for blower GPU's - especially two blowers in SLI/Xfire for example - but an exhaust for an open fan GPU. That's if you use side panel fan, anyway. That way you can feed it well with intakes and have pci-e slot covers removed, exhaust on the side panel and you can do a better job of avoiding warm pockets of air around the GPU.
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Hi guys. I need a new computer as my 7 year laptop is dying out more and more everyday. I am pretty poor right now so I would like to get the most value for my money so how much money would I need to spend in order to play games like FF13 and stream while playing on the computer? Should I wait until Black Friday to buy my parts, or the discounts will be negligible? I read over the topic briefly but I am still a complete computer noob. Help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
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How literal do you mean "like FF13"? I think the PC version is a bad console port that has minimal requirements because of a lack of settings. You could readily get away with $500 or so worth of hardware playing and streaming that. Anyway, give more examples of games would would play, genres, etc. New releases or just old stuff?
Also, to clarify, you do mean "stream" out (cast) and not watch streams, right? The latter is a lot less demanding.
Black Friday type deals are often on mid-to-premium components becoming sometimes significantly cheaper rather than great deals on stuff that's already cheap, but it may still be worth waiting for around that time.
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the USA is land of amazing deals on amazing hardware.
i saw an R9 290 vapor-x for $250 with the three free games that come with amd once.^^
you could make high-end builds for not a lot of money if you wait for sales and know what to buy
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LotV will be a standalone game. Does this mean that this game has most likely a new engine (supports/uses 4 cores etc)? Maybe I should wait until LotV comes out and then buying new stuff for my pc.
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On November 08 2014 19:53 Dingodile wrote:
LotV will be a standalone game. Does this mean that this game has most likely a new engine (supports/uses 4 cores etc)? Maybe I should wait until LotV comes out and then buying new stuff for my pc.
No, it'll almost certainly be the same sc2/heroes general blizzard engine that uses ~1.4 cores. Hopefully they can be convinced to fix a few things with it though. Having 50fps at times wouldn't be so bad if 50fps didn't mean the motion quality of ~25fps in this variant of the engine whenever the game is unpaused.
It might not even be possible to efficiently multithread something with sc2's complexity. There are a lot of things that can't be multithreaded and a lot more that can be multithreaded, but then use 3x as many resources for only 1.2x as much speed for example. In those cases, multithreading itself is not the problem, but actual perceived performance is. If that's too low, there's a problem - and it's low in sc2 because of overall low FPS when dealing with huge unit counts, but also because of the frame pacing issues.
Normally in a game when you have 50fps, that means every frame takes ~20ms on average. The slowest ones might take 25ms.
In sc2 when you have 50fps, that means a ton of frames take only ~15ms, but about a third of them take ~30-40ms. They feel much laggier than the 25ms frames in the other game. The game plays as if you only have ~25-30fps because they are so frequent (over 10 per second) even while your average FPS is heavily inflated
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Oh I very much doubt they can't multithread it much better. It's a matter of time and perceived value, though. That kind of overhaul is going to take a lot of work, which means less time on other things. In terms of what's going to earn them more $$, it's gotta be super low on the list.
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On November 08 2014 13:06 Myrmidon wrote:
How literal do you mean "like FF13"? I think the PC version is a bad console port that has minimal requirements because of a lack of settings. You could readily get away with $500 or so worth of hardware playing and streaming that. Anyway, give more examples of games would would play, genres, etc. New releases or just old stuff?
Also, to clarify, you do mean "stream" out (cast) and not watch streams, right? The latter is a lot less demanding.
Black Friday type deals are often on mid-to-premium components becoming sometimes significantly cheaper rather than great deals on stuff that's already cheap, but it may still be worth waiting for around that time.
I tried playing Batman Arkham Asylum and my laptop was overheating and lagging at the intro. I can imagine FF13 running a lot worse. I would also like to play SC2 late game without getting less than <10 FPS. I would love it if I got to play SC2 in high quality settings all the way throughout the game. Anyway, those are just games I want to play. I would want to buy the computer for new releases too.
Yeah I mean streaming out.
How much do you think a computer like that costs? I don't need some super fancy high end computer but I would like it if I can play good quality games smoothly without killing my computer.
Thanks for the help so far!
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