EPTif you aren't overclocking then a lot of those parts are without purpose. you should overclock if you have that kind of budget though! :o
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
if you aren't overclocking then a lot of those parts are without purpose. you should overclock if you have that kind of budget though! :o | ||
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Inquisitor
Canada253 Posts
The parts are: (http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/dqmrt6) CPU: i7-5820k Mobo: Asus X99A (not the deluxe version) RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw DDR4-2133 (4x4GB) GPU: PNY GTX970 (I may get a second for SLI in a few months) Storage: Crucial MX100 (256GB) Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM HDD (2TB) Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM HDD (1TB) [Already own] Cooler: Corsair H100i From PC Partpicker, its told me that the power draw should be between 137-531W (With a second PNY 970 taken into account). The PSU i currently have from my last PC is an XFX Pro650W, which technically should meet that requirement. However, I am probably going to attempt to OC this build (which is something I've never done before) and am unsure if I would need likely need more then 650W. Thanks for the help! | ||
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Cyro
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Inquisitor
Canada253 Posts
 ( It was about $50-60 cheaper when I got it and was nearly as strong/ fast) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Or is 650W insufficient to max overclock an i7-5820k and a GTX 970? I would have thought it would be enough, maybe not for SLI but for a single 970, should be OK, no? | ||
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Cyro
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If you're going for a nice 850W unit anyway, EVGA's Supernova 850 G2 is probably one of the best units to get, it's a rebranded Superflower Leadex. It's a fully modular unit with amazing voltage regulation and ripple, I mean absolutely top notch. The Supernova B2 is a rebranded Superflower Golden Green, semi-modular and very nicely priced. If the G2 / Leadex platform is excellent, the B2 / Golden Green platform would be very good. | ||
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Inquisitor
Canada253 Posts
So ill probably hold off then on getting a new PSU until I get a second 970, since it definitely won't be for at least 4-5 months. Thanks for the help! | ||
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kwizach
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On November 05 2014 09:36 Cyro wrote: Case cooling isn't really a big factor for you, running a stock CPU and a GPU of midrange power consumption like a stock 970/980. The define r4 is a really nice case. blue is the usual consumer drive from WD, i think RAM won't really be very noticable, it's mostly a factor for people benchmarking and looking for small performance increases. It's just that 2133c11 isn't very impressive performance-wise, it's not much better than 1600c9 for many applications which is just the standard anyway, while there is better RAM (~2133c9, 2400c10) usually available if you're trying to run over 1600mhz with an OC setup personally i would say to re-evaluate your build, you have a lot of unneccesarily expensive stuff and things built around overclocking. If you wanted to list the stuff you wanted to do with it, prefered budget, how much you emphasize certain things (cpu/gpu performance, airflow, noise, focus on cutting costs or getting whatever is best within that budget, etc) then i and/or others could post an example build more suited to your needs On November 05 2014 15:37 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I will not overclock anything i'll just assume you want to overclock it really hard / maybe go SLI later on. 450w overkill for a 4790k and 980 @stock. Parts used should probably be a 4690 and 970 unless you want to throw cost efficiency out of the window anyway. Paying huge premiums for small performance gains just to have the best parts of a specific type (when the same thing is sold with relatively minor features removed at something like 1.4x performance per euro) doesn't make much sense for somebody who doesn't care a lot about performance - and almost everyone who cares enough is overclocking stuff because it makes more of a difference. That applies to both the 4790 vs 4690 (which is the same die with HT disabled, which intel charges a ton of money for even though it doesn't help a lot of important CPU loads) and the 980 vs 970 (which is the same die, but 970 has 18.75% of the cores/ROP's disabled and is often sold for only ~55-65% of the price) Need a 650w probably if you want to run SLI - for four 6+2 pci-e power connectors - unless using ~2 molex to pci-e adapters works fine. My golden green hx550 only had two which surprised me (i hadn't checked, specifically) The 4790k does have the advantage of a factory overclock.. If you -really- don't want to play with settings, that's something specific to only that CPU name (running ~500mhz faster) but a 980 in a world where 970 exists is impossible to sell, the 970 for what it is was put on the market at way lower price than it had to be Thanks a lot for your comments Cyro, and I apologize for not replying earlier - I've had a pretty busy day. To also reply to Incognoto, I haven't heard anything negative elsewhere on the power supply ("Be Quiet 680 Watt - Straight Power E9-CM-680W Modular Cable") in terms of quality. Perhaps I did not look properly, though, but I've read favorable customer reviews and a nice review here : http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=269 (direct link doesn't work apparently, you have to c/p). Will it do the job well? Like I said, I won't overclock anything, and if it's even a bit more powerful than necessary it doesn't really bother me - the important thing is that it will serve my config well  Thanks for your comment on the Fractal Define R4, Cyro - I will buy that case, then. I was told I'd better add an "intake front fan", and that since I have a choice between 120mm and 140mm I should go for 140mm (in terms of noise/performance ratio). Do you agree? And is there any particular model in this catalogue you would recommend? http://www.microcity.be/webshop/catalogue-7-19-72-microcity-Ventilateurs-Boitier.html?page=2&MC=all&BRAND=all&sp721=all (you can filter by 120mm and 140mm)? Finally, with regards to the HDD, do you know if the WD Blue 1TB (this one, reference WD10EZEX) is indeed a reliable and efficient drive? I also have the option of going for Hitachi/HGST HDDs, including a couple with 2 Tb, which is a size I prefer (see the list here), but I want long-lasting drives (and rather fast [not 5400rpm] without being too noisy), and I'm not familiar with those. Any advice? Those are my last hesitations Thanks a lot for your help! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20340 Posts
On November 06 2014 06:18 kwizach wrote: Thanks a lot for your comments Cyro, and I apologize for not replying earlier - I've had a pretty busy day. To also reply to Incognoto, I haven't heard anything negative elsewhere on the power supply ("Be Quiet 680 Watt - Straight Power E9-CM-680W Modular Cable") in terms of quality. Perhaps I did not look properly, though, but I've read favorable customer reviews and a nice review here : http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=269 (direct link doesn't work apparently, you have to c/p). Will it do the job well? Like I said, I won't overclock anything, and if it's even a bit more powerful than necessary it doesn't really bother me - the important thing is that it will serve my config well Thanks for your comment on the Fractal Define R4, Cyro - I will buy that case, then. I was told I'd better add an "intake front fan", and that since I have a choice between 120mm and 140mm I should go for 140mm (in terms of noise/performance ratio). Do you agree? And is there any particular model in this catalogue you would recommend? http://www.microcity.be/webshop/catalogue-7-19-72-microcity-Ventilateurs-Boitier.html?page=2&MC=all&BRAND=all&sp721=all (you can filter by 120mm and 140mm)? Finally, with regards to the HDD, do you know if the WD Blue 1TB (this one, reference WD10EZEX) is indeed a reliable and efficient drive? I also have the option of going for Hitachi/HGST HDDs, including a couple with 2 Tb, which is a size I prefer (see the list here), but I want long-lasting drives (and rather fast [not 5400rpm] without being too noisy), and I'm not familiar with those. Any advice? Those are my last hesitations Thanks a lot for your help!It looks ok (PSU), some concerns with 12v being split onto 4 rails, i don't think it's an issue but it's confusing to me and i've read PSU reviews etc before I still need recommendations on fans myself and i can't say much about the different HDD's for reliability etc, but i'm quite sure that wd blue is at least a decent one to get | ||
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kwizach
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
About the case, you might want to know that the Define R4 and Arc Midi R2 are closely related. Stripped down to the metal, it's the same case. The Define model is better with regards to noise when doing things like web browsing or writing stuff. Its dampening and the front door will help muffle noises like the HDD and motor noise from fans and chirping from electronic parts on the graphics card. The Arc Midi version of the case might be able to beat it with regards to noise while playing games. Its front is more "open" and you'll be able to run the fans slower while a stressed graphics card and CPU are heating things up. That comparison is a bit theoretical because it will only work out like that if you manage to set things up so that there's dynamically changing fan speeds depending on temperatures inside the case. If you just let things run in its default behavior or let the fans run at a fixed speed through that simple fan control thingy the case has, the Define will simply be less noisy than the Arc Midi while making the insides run hotter. That extra temperature shouldn't be a problem if you're not overclocking anything. If you already want to set things up with an additional fan for intake, this one should be the most solid performing fan in the catalogue of that website you linked to: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-19-72-860702-microcity.Cooler-MasterR4-JFNP-20PK-R1Cooler-Jetflo-120*120*25-non-LED.html You could run the two fans that come with the Define R4 at a constant, low speed through the fan control switch of the case. This additional 120mm CM Jetflo fan, you would install in one of the free positions at the front of the case. You would connect it to the motherboard. Through the motherboard's BIOS or its software, you can set up some sort of fan curve for it so that it runs at its 0% speed when on the desktop and speeds up a bit when things heat up in the case because of the graphics card working on something. It can be made to move a lot of air should you ever need it (like in the summer while playing games). | ||
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kwizach
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Thanks for picking one of the fans! I was advised on another forum to pick a 140mm fan, namely this one: Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 140mm. How do you think it compares to your (120mm) pick? Would having the Define R4 with the stock 140mm fan at the front, stock 140mm fan at the back, and the additional 140mm Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 fan at the front be sufficient to definitely avoid too high temperatures for my single-GPU, non-overclocked configuration? I'm afraid I'm just not tech-savvy enough to configure the fans through the BIOS/software, so I'd just have the three fans installed and let them do their thing... | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The good thing about the BeQuiet 140mm fan is that it should be low noise, no matter how you set things up. Its max. speed is simply pretty slow. It is also the same speed as what you get with the two fans that come with the case. Everything will be 1000 rpm by default. This means if you connect all fans to that fan control switch thingy of the case, they will probably all behave very similar when you use that switch to change speeds. I bet you can't do anything wrong if you choose this fan. The Jetflo fan, it should be totally unusable if you don't control its speed. It runs too fast at its full speed and will produce a noticeable "woosh" noise. It's a 4-pin fan and is intended to be controlled through a "PWM" signal from the motherboard. It can be a bit technical to set this up right, but it could also simply work well enough by itself. No idea (depends on the motherboard). [When you get the case, make sure to remove one of the two 3.5" drive cages it has. You only need one of those for your HDDs and creating that empty room from the missing drive cage will help the fans a lot in doing their job.] | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-117313-microcity_Be-Quiet.BN199.680-Watt-Straight-Power-E9-CM-680W-Modular-Cable-**-Pro-Choice-**.html http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-917502-microcity_Cooler-Master.RS550-AMAAG1-EU.550W-semi-modular-(80 )-gold.html http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-7-5-23-752272-microcity_Cooler-Master.RS700-AFBAG1-EU.Vanguard-V-700W-Modular-Cable.html The first thing I want to say is that no, the Be Quiet E9 680 isn't a bad PSU by any means, it won't fry your computer should you use it or anything horrible like that. However there are a few issues with this unit which is why I think you should get something better for your money: 1. 680W is overkill for you build, 550W is much more adapted, getting that unit saves money. 2. Straight Power E9 uses third-rate Chinese CapXon caps, which is ridiculous considering that unit costs €130. I like BQ! units myself but they are often overpriced for what they are. 3. Ripple for this unit is also nothing special, the PSUs I'm recommending have very good ripple. For less money you can get the CM V550S which has excellent ripple suppression, voltage regulation, the caps used are better and it's also very quiet: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CoolerMaster/V550S/10.html If you want full modularity and an overkill unit anyway, then spend €1 more to get the excellent Cooler Master V700. This PSU also has excellent performance, it's much better than the Straight Power E9: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=360 Regardless of what build you're going to get, there's no reason to spend more money on average PSUs when you can spend less money to get excellent ones. | ||
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napalmion
Poland96 Posts
but Ive been reading and thinking and eventually decided to take a leap into something more, I will get all components, put it all together myself (propably will take me forever using youtube videos or someones guidance) and then I will attempt to overclock it (I will need some serious help haha ) its going to be my main computer and I need it to be fast for my work.Okay so thats what I ordered or own so far, any help is appreciated: CPU- i5-4690K Motherboard- Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 SDD- SSD Micron M550 1TB SATA - got this one super cheap and will skip hdd for now thanks to 1TB PSU- XFX TS550W Pro series - I own this one brand new and you guys said its plenty for my old non OC build is this still gonna be enough for OC and everything Im trying to make? Now I need help with RAM/Case/Heatsink on CPU and GPU: GPU- Im not really playing anything hardcore atm so I was thinking I wll save some money on something like GTX 760/ R9 270X but as you can tell Im willing to make it more expensive if theres something really good price wise Case- Fractal design Define R4 Black - I really like that one )RAM- I have no idea but 8GB will be enough Edit: Crucial Ballistix DDR3 8GB/1866 (2*4GB) 9-9-9-27 I have access to those for a good price (it says they are at 1,5v base) Heatsink- I have no idea well I have no idea how to put it together and how to overclock but I guess its gonna be awesome learning experience to do it all myself with help: ) if you have any great ideas or links to simple OC guides or maybe want to help me yourself that would be great, thanks for all the help so far that made me go into this more unexplored route. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
For assembly, well, look at some of the videos in the OP. I know that when I was very new to this stuff, what I did before my parts arrived was watch Destiny build a PC. The good thing about it is that it goes from the boxes straight to the finished build (minus OS installation). you can skip straight to 42 minutes though since you won't be delidding (i also watched his stuff about delidding when I did my own cpu). | ||
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napalmion
Poland96 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 06 2014 19:44 napalmion wrote: I shouldnt delid because Im a noob or theres no need for the CPU Im about to own? I want to OC a little bit so Im looking for all the advices before I put everything together, thanks for the vid will definitely watch it. Delidding is unnecessary for Devil's Canyon CPUs since they have a better thermal solution. The i5 4690k and the i7 4790k are Devil's Canyon so you'll be fine. Delidding these days isn't really recommended unless you're 100% sure that you want the gains in temperature; it now voids your CPU warranty to delid (it didn't before). | ||
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napalmion
Poland96 Posts
also I think I had a good idea, because Ive been reading that Intel HD Graphics 4600 integrated GPU on the processor is pretty good, maybe I can skip getting GPU for now if Im not playing any dedicated game with steep requirements: ) | ||
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