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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Screen plug probably in wrong hole on computer :D If that's your only problem, good job with the build | ||
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rolando
United States82 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 02 2014 12:08 rolando wrote: That's what I was thinking too. I'm not home so the monitor that I'm using is super ghetto and only has VGA whereas my GPU doesn't have any VGA connectors. Time to buy a VGA to DVI adapter to use for one day! those cost like €2, don't worry kind of weird though, normally you get one of those with your graphics card. i got one for both my 7970 and my 750. i also use dinosaur vga monitors i'm not sure what i should be saving money for next. monitor? case? PSU? gpu? i just idk | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
CPU wise, it looks like the top performer for streaming/price wise is the AMD FX-8350, with the Intel i7-4770K being comparable in power. The Intel should out perform when it comes to gaming, however, as the intel per-core power is stronger. Would it be worth it to buy the AMD and spend the extra 150~ I save on a strong cooler, or should I just opt for the Intel? If so, recommendations on a cooler? Is water cooling still optimal? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On November 03 2014 01:06 Alay wrote: Hey, looking for some input. It's been a long time since I built a rig. I'm aiming to stream and game. CPU wise, it looks like the top performer for streaming/price wise is the AMD FX-8350, with the Intel i7-4770K being comparable in power. The Intel should out perform when it comes to gaming, however, as the intel per-core power is stronger. Would it be worth it to buy the AMD and spend the extra 150~ I save on a strong cooler, or should I just opt for the Intel? If so, recommendations on a cooler? Is water cooling still optimal? The competitor (with the same encoding performance and stronger per-core performance) for the 8320-9590 is the i5 4690k, not the 4790k (which is all around stronger but with a big price premium). Platform cost isn't nearly that much higher when you take into account the motherboard and cooling requirements to take both sides to a near-max overclock, the fx8320 is just pretty nice when you want to use a cheap board, a cheap cooler like a hyper 212 and hold back on the voltages and performance some - and when you're not affected by bad singlethreaded performance. Paying more over an 8320 for an 8350, 9370 or 9590 when you are setting clocks/voltages yourself makes very little sense, because the only reason the CPU's are viable against Haswell is price to multithreaded performance ratio, which the more expensive sku's of the same thing kinda throw away. CLC's are not really better than air coolers either, the single fan width ones are pretty bad performers, the dual fan width ones are expensive and require noise to cool well - they're just a good choice if you can't fit an air cooler, if you want to isolate CPU temps from bad case cooling by using a CLC on some intake fan slots or if you don't mind noise or price and want some of the lowest temperatures possible without a custom setup On November 02 2014 20:57 Incognoto wrote: those cost like €2, don't worry kind of weird though, normally you get one of those with your graphics card. i got one for both my 7970 and my 750. i also use dinosaur vga monitors i'm not sure what i should be saving money for next. monitor? case? PSU? gpu? i just idk What stuff do you already have exactly? can you post a list? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
case: fractal design core 1000 psu: corsair gs600 cpu: i5 4670 mobo: B85M-P33 GPU: sapphire dual-x 7970 storage: m500 + hdd, i'm 100% cool with storage + Show Spoiler + i don't think i'll upgrade the cpu before we have skylake i5s. when that happens though i want to overclock an i5 with a high end air cooler. this requires upgrading the case to ATX size and enough clearance for that high end air cooler my psu isn't the greatest but it's not terrible either, it can do pretty much any cpu / single gpu set up with overclock on it. the 7970 i have is quite nice, fun to mess around with and allows me to game at 1080p at pretty much max settings any game. getting a stronger GPU wouldn't make sense without upgrading the monitor first though i think. i don't need to upgrade anything right now, though i'm thinking that the monitor will come first since that it might be funny to have a nice 1440p monitor OR a 144 hz monitor. i'm not sure which would be more interesting. i'm curious about the fluidity that getting 144 hz gets and at the same time, i'm curious about higher resolutions and bigger screens. after monitor comes comes case + motherboard + skylake i'm thinking. or maybe case first, to see if i can't give my hot gpu some more airflow or something. then again i keep doing britanny paris paris britanny so having the relatively small core 1000 is actually kind of nice, not to mention i just took an entire afternoon to redo cable management / improve airflow / add a dust filter made from old pantyhose. decisions, decisions. well, more like day-dreaming. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
I would go 144hz (probably an xl2411z with v2 firmware) first if you have money, case/mobo/cooler vs gpu depends how soon you could upgrade both | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
On November 03 2014 02:48 Cyro wrote: The competitor (with the same encoding performance and stronger per-core performance) for the 8320-9590 is the i5 4690k, not the 4790k (which is all around stronger but with a big price premium). Will the i7 perform substantially over the 8320 from a streaming standpoint? I was under the impression that the extra cores made a rather big difference there and kept the two about on par; obviously the 4790k on singlethreaded apps would be substantially better (for gaming, etc.) If this isn't the case, I'll probably just cough up the extra on the 4790k. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On November 03 2014 09:45 Alay wrote: Cheers for the advice! Follow-up question: Will the i7 perform substantially over the 8320 from a streaming standpoint? I was under the impression that the extra cores made a rather big difference there and kept the two about on par; obviously the 4790k on singlethreaded apps would be substantially better (for gaming, etc.) If this isn't the case, I'll probably just cough up the extra on the 4790k. 4790k is ~20% better for encoding performance than 8320/4690k at high OC's. It's more expensive, harder to cool and harder to stabilize as high of an OC though, so it's not very cost effective You also have to take into account that the performance gain there is only for the time it takes to encode video - if you're trying to livestream sc2/LoL/WoW for example, if you have 100fps and then start streaming and it drops to 80, going from i5 to i7 won't actually improve that at all. It would just let you run a stream at say 1080p60 instead of 1080p50 with a similar strain on the CPU. 4690k or 8320 at OC have little trouble handling normal streaming resolutions (720p60, 1080p30 or even higher etc) - you're mostly worried about how much FPS the game will have before you start introduce performance losses from game capture, in my experience anyway. That's where Haswell is good, because at OC's, games usually range from being on par across both CPU's to being up to 1.7x as strong on Haswell depending on the engine, how dependent it is on low numbers of threads, how much it scales from cache and RAM performance etc. In the case that they're not adequate such as extremely high resolution and FPS encoding for local records, games that heavily utilize many CPU cores and don't leave room for encoding or just games where you want to lose as little performance (FPS) as possible, i use NVENC all of the time and recommend that too (if you have a modern nvidia GPU) There's some radeon equivalent to that, but i'm not sure how good it is | ||
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xafies
Greece78 Posts
 .My goal is to play decently new games like Assassin's creed unity.Thanks in advanced 1.xfx r9-270x-double-dissipation-edition- 2.Gigabyte gtx 660 3gb 3.asus gtx760 mini 4.msi r9270x itx My rig is : cpu:intel i5 4460 ram :2x4 gb corsair vengeance mobo: gigabyte b85-hd3 psu:corsair cx600 ssd samsung 250gb hdd 1tb green caviar western digital monitor:old samsung at 1600x1200( i am planning to add a 2nd though) | ||
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napalmion
Poland96 Posts
also Im having 2nd thoughts over RAM, Im working on big databases(postgres) for my work, will I see difference in speed of accessing it with G.Skill RipjawsZ DDR3 4x4GB 1600MHz CL7 (total 16GB) vs total 8GB? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On November 04 2014 18:34 napalmion wrote: one thing I also dont fully understand, I had i5 4670 up to 3,4ghz and Myrmidon you are saying that i5 4590 up to 3,3ghz is a minor speed bump over 4670, 4590 is also noticably cheaper, is there something Im missing or should I go for i5 4590 or should I buy even newer i5 4690 haswell refresh up to 3,5ghz also Im having 2nd thoughts over RAM, Im working on big databases(postgres) for my work, will I see difference in speed of accessing it with G.Skill RipjawsZ DDR3 4x4GB 1600MHz CL7 (total 16GB) vs total 8GB? They all run 200mhz higher because of turbo under 4-core load, so it's actually 3.5ghz vs 3.6-3.7. 3.7ghz is ~5.7% faster than 3.5, so you can get it if that's worth your money. There's a specs list for these (and lots of other stuff) on wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i5_microprocessors#.22Haswell-DT.22_.28quad-core.2C_22_nm.29 For RAM: More RAM will help you if you don't have enough for the stuff you want to do specifically. If you already have enough, it won't do anything. It's pretty hard to give specific advice if you're not running very common programs (like specific games) and if you can't check RAM usage in the programs you want it for | ||
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napalmion
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kwizach
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I am about to purchase a new desktop pc. Here's the configuration I'm going for: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/ordinateur-5-28-8-71-microcity.html For 2129€: Processor : Intel s1150 4 Core - i7 4790K 8Mb Cache / 8 Thread 4.0GHz/4.4Ghz Turbo - Graphics 4600 88W Cooler : Be Quiet Dark Rock 3 / 135mm Silent Wings Motherboard : Asrock s1150 - Z97 Professional Fatal1ty ATX - Killer E2200 - HDD Saver - Core3D Memory : Kingston DDR3 - 2133Mhz - 16GB HyperX Beast CL11 ( 2x8GB ) + Headspread HDD : Western Digital Caviar Green 3000GB 3.5 inchs Sata3 iPower 64MB Cache SSD : Crucial m500 480GB - 2.5inch SATA 3 / SATA 6GBps - 500/400 Mb/s Graphic card : Gigabyte GeForce GTX980 4096Mb DDR5 HDMI / DVI / 3DP DVD : LG Blu-Ray RW 16x Black SATA Case : Zalman Z11+ Custom Red Edition Black ATX + 3 Cooling Red 4 Led Power supply: Be Quiet 680 Watt - Straight Power E9-CM-680W Modular Cable ** Pro Choice ** I've been told I should take a different SSD, namely the Crucial SSD MX100 512GB, so I might do that. I don't think I'll change any other components, so unless you see something which absolutely needs to be changed my question is the following: I was told the Zalman Z11 Plus case listed isn't the best in terms of noise. I would therefore like to know your opinion on the case, and if you do think it's noisy (and possibly not that efficient in terms of airflow/cooling? any comments on that?), do you see anything in the following list that you think would be better for the configuration listed above: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/catalogue-7-5-21-microcity-Boitier.html?page=5&MC=all&BRAND=all (and previous/following pages). I can go up to around 160-170€ for the case. I'm getting the entire build from a shop I know well in my city, so it has to come from their catalogue. My priorities are: 1. Low temperatures 2. As little noise as possible 3. At least two USB 3.0 ports and two USB 2.0 ports. I DO NOT care about looks, at all. Also, I am absolutely terrible with hardware and will probably not add anything in or to the case (for example new fans), change hardware, etc., so I need a good build which can stay put for a long time and handle potentially long uses. Thanks a LOT, any help will be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
take a look at the nzxt h440 case 2133mhz c11 isn't very good, try to get 2133c9 or 2400c10, 2666c11 (whatever is low cost) green HDD isn't very fast what kinda OC's do you want to run on cpu/gpu? | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
I will not overclock anything. I am terrible with hardware and will keep everything as I receive it. My shop does not sell nzxt cases, unfortunately :-( Do you have any comments on the Zalman Z11 Plus listed? Here is the list of cases available to me: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/catalogue-7-5-21-microcity-Boitier.html?page=4&MC=all&BRAND=all (and forward). I was told the Fractal Design Define R4 would be a good choice, but I'm afraid the default fans will not be able to handle my config considering the case is known, from what I understand, to heat up. The Corsair Obsidian 450D was also mentioned to me, but I would like to have more USB ports than only 2 x USB 3.0. Thank you for pointing out that the Green HDD will not be very fast. Do you have any alternative to suggest for similar sizes (2 TB or 3 TB), in particular from Western Digital? Should I take the WD Caviar Black 3000Gb Sata 3 64Mb Cache 7200rpm instead? For the RAM, I don't think I can change, I don't see anything of what you listed in their catalogue (see here) [there is, however, a similar Kingston RAM, with 16 Gb at 2133 Mhz and CL11 but with "Predator" in the name instead of "Beast", not sure if that changes anything] ... Is it really that bad? Will it hold back my system? Thanks a lot for your help, I appreciate it a lot. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
blue is the usual consumer drive from WD, i think RAM won't really be very noticable, it's mostly a factor for people benchmarking and looking for small performance increases. It's just that 2133c11 isn't very impressive performance-wise, it's not much better than 1600c9 for many applications which is just the standard anyway, while there is better RAM (~2133c9, 2400c10) usually available if you're trying to run over 1600mhz with an OC setup personally i would say to re-evaluate your build, you have a lot of unneccesarily expensive stuff and things built around overclocking. If you wanted to list the stuff you wanted to do with it, prefered budget, how much you emphasize certain things (cpu/gpu performance, airflow, noise, focus on cutting costs or getting whatever is best within that budget, etc) then i and/or others could post an example build more suited to your needs | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
You could maybe get by with only a 450W PSU with a 980; i'll just assume you want to overclock it really hard / maybe go SLI later on. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
I will not overclock anything i'll just assume you want to overclock it really hard / maybe go SLI later on. 450w overkill for a 4790k and 980 @stock. Parts used should probably be a 4690 and 970 unless you want to throw cost efficiency out of the window anyway. Paying huge premiums for small performance gains just to have the best parts of a specific type (when the same thing is sold with relatively minor features removed at something like 1.4x performance per euro) doesn't make much sense for somebody who doesn't care a lot about performance - and almost everyone who cares enough is overclocking stuff because it makes more of a difference. That applies to both the 4790 vs 4690 (which is the same die with HT disabled, which intel charges a ton of money for even though it doesn't help a lot of important CPU loads) and the 980 vs 970 (which is the same die, but 970 has 18.75% of the cores/ROP's disabled and is often sold for only ~55-65% of the price) Need a 650w probably if you want to run SLI - for four 6+2 pci-e power connectors - unless using ~2 molex to pci-e adapters works fine. My golden green hx550 only had two which surprised me (i hadn't checked, specifically) The 4790k does have the advantage of a factory overclock.. If you -really- don't want to play with settings, that's something specific to only that CPU name (running ~500mhz faster) but a 980 in a world where 970 exists is impossible to sell, the 970 for what it is was put on the market at way lower price than it had to be | ||
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