EPTOn a side note, I just got the GTX 980 after reading this thread for a bit. Super happy with it, just kind of wished they had bundled in some games since I won't be buying any for a while with how much this cost. Wouldn't have minded the new Borderlands as was bundled with 700 series.
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On a side note, I just got the GTX 980 after reading this thread for a bit. Super happy with it, just kind of wished they had bundled in some games since I won't be buying any for a while with how much this cost. Wouldn't have minded the new Borderlands as was bundled with 700 series. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
I don't see why anyone would ever get multi gpu setups if the experience of resulting FPS is cut in half anyways. Either I misunderstand you There are two main benefits of higher FPS. One of them is smoothness, which happens fine with multiple GPU's using alternate frame rendering the other is lower latency (because time from start of render to finished frame is lowered) which doesn't happen with multiple GPU's using alternate frame rendering. It still takes just as long for each frame to be rendered, because each individual GPU is the same speed as a weak single one - and they're alternating frames, they're not working together ^so with SLI/crossfire set up typically.. you're only getting half of the benefit, the smoothness - and that's one that some people care about and others do not. For somebody latency-oriented, there is only one choice, and that's single GPU | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On September 20 2014 23:45 Cyro wrote: Why not? The only reason i can really imagine would be quality per bit, you can improve that somewhat by fiddling with settings in NVENC (though nvidia doesn't expose those in geforce experience/shadowplay.. it's better to use OBS to access the encoder instead) It's much faster though, even the v1 maxwell was supposed to be ~2x as fast as kepler NVENC but they said that they improved it further. 1080p120/144 with decent settings incoming, as well as 4k60 with probably worse preset For significantly better quality per bit, they can also aparantly encode to h265 now, but that's not enabled yet and it's unknown to what extent it will work http://www.twitch.tv/firkraagtv/b/571282758?t=0h24m50s I tried out Shadowplay with the GTX 980 today, bit pixelated/blurry at 3500kbps something I don't even get at 2500 in OBS. But since there's no performance loss I think it's worth it. I can't remember why I dismissed it when I got my 670, but the program feels a bit more solid now than it did back then. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Reading comprehension fail. Then again, there was a lot of GTX talk above it. I'm old. GET OFF MY LAWN. Unrelated - This is apparently what TB is getting. Any thoughts? PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4LcLpg Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4LcLpg/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Swiftech H320 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Motherboard: Asus RAMPAGE V EXTREME EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory Case: NZXT H440 (Orange/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case Storage: Sandisk Extreme Pro 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Sandisk Extreme Pro 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) Power Supply: Corsair 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:25 felisconcolori wrote: Reading comprehension fail. Then again, there was a lot of GTX talk above it. I'm old. GET OFF MY LAWN. Unrelated - This is apparently what TB is getting. Any thoughts? For what he does that looks like a solid build, I guess? He probably knows more than I do. He's not even going overboard with RAM or anything. I guess 6C / 12T is going to do everything he needs to encode 1080p60 or greater still, would be great when Youtube starts supporting higher FPS. I guess he knows how to overclock that, though it'll probably be slower in clock-speed than a fast i5 on high-end air. Surprised he's not getting aftermarket cooler cards though. SLI GTX 980s is going to be hardcore overkill for 1080p as well. Would be curious to hear his rationale. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:45 Incognoto wrote: For what he does that looks like a solid build, I guess? He probably knows more than I do. He's not even going overboard with RAM or anything. I guess 6C / 12T is going to do everything he needs to encode 1080p60 or greater still, would be great when Youtube starts supporting higher FPS. I guess he knows how to overclock that, though it'll probably be slower in clock-speed than a fast i5 on high-end air. Surprised he's not getting aftermarket cooler cards though. SLI GTX 980s is going to be hardcore overkill for 1080p as well. Would be curious to hear his rationale. From what I can pick out of the Twitter stream, Genna is going to be the one building it, but TB wanted to go to extremes for performance because he wants power. Also mentions strong overclock for it. I think, on the one hand, being able to play any possible game that comes down the pipeline while streaming at high quality and recording/encoding video at the same time might be a valid use case. On the other hand, drool-worthy performance might be a goal in its own right. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2014 15:51 felisconcolori wrote: From what I can pick out of the Twitter stream, Genna is going to be the one building it, but TB wanted to go to extremes for performance because he wants power. Also mentions strong overclock for it. I think, on the one hand, being able to play any possible game that comes down the pipeline while streaming at high quality and recording/encoding video at the same time might be a valid use case. On the other hand, drool-worthy performance might be a goal in its own right. Well sure, but at what resolution? If it's at 1080p then two 980s in SLI is overkill, if it's at 1440p then OK, why not? Looked at his twitter a bit, you can get a free game here: https://www.humblebundle.com/store?tropico3fr_ Not sure how good tropico 3 is, but what the fuck, it's a free game. There's 0 reason not to at least redeem the code. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 23 2014 16:25 Firkraag8 wrote: Isn't it generally a better idea to use reference coolers in SLI, this prevents the cards and the ambient components to get too hot. This is probably the reason TB didn't go for aftermarket. That makes sense. As does Cyro's post about SLI / Crossfire. I've been on and off about going Crossfire but I've decided not to finally. I don't need more GPU horsepower right now anyway, it was just very tempting to get very cheap yet high performing graphics card. http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Carte-graphique-MSI-Radeon-HD-7970-Lightning-3Go-sous-garantie-/251652571347?pt=FR_GH_Informatique_Composants_Cartes_Vidéo&hash=item3a97a980d3 €152 Lightning 7970. E: By the way Cyro, when you're talking about latency, you're taking into account that having a faster monitor makes these latency issues much more apparent, correct? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
On September 23 2014 14:33 Firkraag8 wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/firkraagtv/b/571282758?t=0h24m50s I tried out Shadowplay with the GTX 980 today, bit pixelated/blurry at 3500kbps something I don't even get at 2500 in OBS. But since there's no performance loss I think it's worth it. I can't remember why I dismissed it when I got my 670, but the program feels a bit more solid now than it did back then. It's better to use NVENC in OBS. You can control it better, shadowplay is a pretty easymode simple way of accessing that encoder with very few options. It doesn't even have stuff like decoupled resolution and bitrate control while streaming, IIRC. OBS literally just has a little place in options to click to use NVENC and switch over to NVENC options so there's no reason to bother with Nvidia and their horribly underbuilt and buggy software. On September 23 2014 15:25 felisconcolori wrote: Reading comprehension fail. Then again, there was a lot of GTX talk above it. I'm old. GET OFF MY LAWN. Unrelated - This is apparently what TB is getting. Any thoughts? It looks like one of those "i will get what i want" builds, rather than shooting for a specific target with minimal budget, or optimizing around a price point etc, but overall i mainly wonder why a 5930k would be chosen, next to 5820k and 5960x. Also, 1000w PSU - a good 750w would have been fine, assuming he overclocks everything moderately but not extremely aggressively maybe even a 650 would have been usable E: By the way Cyro, when you're talking about latency, you're taking into account that having a faster monitor makes these latency issues much more apparent, correct? It should be obvious in any case. If you have a 60hz monitor and your latency feels like you're playing a game on fps_max 30 with single GPU, it should be easily noticable. It's just sometimes tolerable then - while people going for 144hz usually just spent a massive amount of money (my screen cost like $455 for 1080p..) with probably a large focus on removing that latency, so to then add a huge chunk back to it just doesn't make sense. When you're increasing your FPS by 2.5x, you would generally expect input to be a lot faster, not really just about as laggy as it was in the first place | ||
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Aluka
United States1 Post
What is your budget? $1,000 (1,300 max) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Sc2, Dota, wow, Highest possible. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? streaming, netflix, facebook Do you intend to overclock? not really... Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I don't know what that means... Do you need an operating system? yes? Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? nope If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Prefer a nicer looking case What country will you be buying your parts in? United States If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. Thanks =D | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On September 24 2014 11:12 Aluka wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hi, I have never built a PC by myself nor have i ever considered it. Until now! =) Please some suggestions would be amazing. What is your budget? $1,000 (1,300 max) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Sc2, Dota, wow, Highest possible. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? streaming, netflix, facebook Do you intend to overclock? not really... Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I don't know what that means... Do you need an operating system? yes? Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? nope If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Prefer a nicer looking case What country will you be buying your parts in? United States If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. Thanks =D There's no way you need to spend up to $1000 to play those games. Anyway, there's some wiggle room. And I have no idea what you'd consider "nicer looking" in a case, so here are some options you can look through. Do check the dimensions. Some have limitations in terms of motherboard sizes or other components supported (the smaller ones). Silverstone RVZ01 BitFenix Prodigy Fractal Design Node 304 Rosewill Legacy U3 NZXT Source 340 NZXT Phantom 240 Phanteks Enthoo Pro Corsair Carbide Air 540 Corsair Graphite 730T On September 24 2014 11:54 wussleeQ wrote: Just caved and pre-ordered a gigabyte 970 from my 560ti was this a good time to upgrade? i hear the next cycle isn't till 2016 :< Not bad of a time. It may not be 2016, though. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If you want to stream nicely, it might not be a bad idea to look into overclocking an i5 4690k. It's well within your budget and it will run Starcraft 2 better than an i5 4690 at stock clocks. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
On September 24 2014 11:54 wussleeQ wrote: Just caved and pre-ordered a gigabyte 970 from my 560ti was this a good time to upgrade? i hear the next cycle isn't till 2016 :< We will probably get big maxwell GPU and whatever AMD has up their sleeve sometime soon (next 3-9 months), it depends what's happening with manufacturing processes etc. We was on 28nm kepler for 2 and 3/4 years, so 20nm maxwell will last a while 970/980 seem power limited but several people are breaking 1600mhz on air, 1500 seems very achievable. I've seen scores over 1.6x what i can achieve on 770, using "only" a 970 | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Also AMD needs to bring something new to the table and it should be better than R9 285s which are just rebranded 7950s as far as I know, though they're somehow slower than their GTX 760 counterparts while consuming more power. It's fine that Maxwell cards beat the old 28 nm Tahiti cards. I'm guessing that AMD is going to price drop in the R9 290 soon enough though, it'll have to be a bit cheaper than the GTX 970 to compete. Hawaii is still pretty strong, I wonder why they don't make smaller cards with it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Also AMD needs to bring something new to the table and it should be better than R9 285s which are just rebranded 7950s as far as I know They're not, the 285 is a brand new die that has some optimizations especially around memory bandwidth, it also has 256 bit bus, 2GB config instead of 384, 3GB. It's generally considered worse than the 7950/280 (280 is the rebrand) even though the name is higher and it's positioned higher in the stack based on stock speeds gm204 is 28nm, so is gm200 supposedly but we won't have to wait until 2017 gen to see something smaller than 28nm i think | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:14 Cyro wrote: They're not, the 285 is a brand new die that has some optimizations especially around memory bandwidth, it also has 256 bit bus, 2GB config instead of 384, 3GB. It's generally considered worse than the 7950/280 (280 is the rebrand) even though the name is higher and it's positioned higher in the stack based on stock speeds gm204 is 28nm, so is gm200 supposedly but we won't have to wait until 2017 gen to see something smaller than 28nm i think Performance was so similar to the R9 280 I thought it was a re-brand, my bad. Actually when I made that post I was under the impression that the GTX 760 was better than the R9 285 on almost all fronts, mostly due to me scanning a single review rather than reading more than just one: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/09/02/msi_radeon_r9_285_gaming_oc_video_card_review/5#.VCLnnhKO2Uk ^That gave me the impression that the R9 285 is complete crap, especially when it's more expensive than the GTX 760 as of right now. This was another page I read that made me think that AMD needs to step up their game; I'm talking about frame time here: http://techreport.com/review/26997/amd-radeon-r9-285-graphics-card-reviewed/5 Either way, AMD is going to have to cut prices soon, so anyone building a gaming computer should probably at very least wait for those, unless he's going to get a GTX 970. | ||
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Haine
15 Posts
Years ago I got some solid advice here, so I would like to ask you again for a build for my parents. The mobo seems to have died and the PC is pretty ancient anyways (apart from a few upgraded parts). Therefore I'm looking for a mostly new build. I can re-use the harddisks (HD and SSD), DVD drive and maybe graphics card + Show Spoiler + I can't figure out what the current card is. It says article number 20041010 and serial number starts with MS - V127. It also has N1996 printed on the board. I can't find more that it should be "a" NVidea GeForce To fill in the requested list: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Prefer to keep it low, <500-600 euro What is your monitor's native resolution? 2 monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Essentially no games except for perhaps some flash/online stuff. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basically it will hardly be used for gaming. Regular office work, some video/stream watching, browsing, online flash games, etc. Do you intend to overclock? Not necessarily, unless it is something I can easily do for them (I haven't done it before, but I heard multipliers should be pretty easy) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No need to get harddisks, optical drive. Graphics card can be given optional What country will you be buying your parts in? Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.html Site is in dutch, but I guess you can still figure out the parts and prices there. I more than appreciate any help! | ||
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