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On September 27 2014 10:50 KOFgokuon wrote:
After some followup discussion with Cryo, I wanted to raise this question to a larger audience. Was interested in knowing if there was another option in the $25-$50 range that might be stronger than the Hyper 212+. I've used the 212+ before and like it, but was curious what othero ptions there were, noctua stuff all seems much more expensive
Maybe the Scythe Mugen 4 (check superbiiz). Zalman CNPS14X? That said, maybe at Hyper 212+ / EVO max fan speeds, it would be about the same or slightly better. But cooling / noise level, 212-alikes should be beat. Most Thermalright stuff seems out of stock in the US or priced too high.
Oh wait, nansgaminggear does have a Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev A available in the price range with shipping.
On September 26 2014 19:40 ToRsArchonGG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello kind folks, I intend to build a computer very soon and I'd just like a second opinion and insight on the parts I've chosen regarding their compatibility and any problems I may encounter or if there are better options etc etc. I live in Australia and the price is roughly $896. I intend to stream at 720 and under, play CSGO, LoL, SCII, ArchAge and some other things. CPU Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core ProcessorMotherboard [ b] ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Performance ATX LGA1150 MotherboardMemory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 MemoryStorage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard DriveVideo Card EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB FTW ACX Video CardCase Thermaltake Chaser A31 Snow White ATX Mid Tower CasePower Supply Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power SupplyOptical Drive LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writerhttp://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QyhzpgThank you in advance for your insight.
It's okay but I'm not really feeling most of those prices, even if they're Australian.
For reference, about 10 minutes on one site gets me this config:
Intel Core i5-4590 (lose 200 MHz) - $219
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=187_1490&products_id=27549
Asus H81M-Plus (lose some features / slots / only 2 RAM slots) - $65
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1491&products_id=24853
Gigabyte GTX 750 Ti 2GB Black Edition (comparable) - $179
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1617&products_id=28055
Kingston HyperX 2 x 4GB 1600 MHz (doubled capacity because 2x2 would fill up the mobo above) - $95
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=27399
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB (same) - $65
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=210_344&products_id=21231
Samsung whatever DVD/CD writer (comparable) - $19
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=658_667&products_id=23679
FSP Raider 450W (lose a couple modular cables, otherwise comparable) - $69
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=27715
Cooler Master N200 (or whatever; smaller, wastes less space, supports fewer drives) - $49
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1532&products_id=29161
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On September 27 2014 10:50 KOFgokuon wrote:
After some followup discussion with Cryo, I wanted to raise this question to a larger audience. Was interested in knowing if there was another option in the $25-$50 range that might be stronger than the Hyper 212+. I've used the 212+ before and like it, but was curious what othero ptions there were, noctua stuff all seems much more expensive
The strongest, still cheap cooler I can find in US shops is Zalman CNPS14X. It's $39.99 sold by Amazon with free shipping.
I don't know what's going on in the US, but I can't find anything else that's competing well with this one or the Hyper 212 EVO with regards to price. Everything else is strangely expensive.
That Zalman I mentioned seems a good bit better than the Hyper 212. It's larger, it has six heat-pipes (instead of four on Hyper 212 EVO), it has a copper base plate soldered onto the heat-pipes (instead of using that exposed heat-pipe trick like the Hyper 212 EVO). It should be able to compete with the Thermalright HR-02 Macho, but its fan is faster and noisier.
I don't know if it makes sense to buy it if you already have a Hyper 212+. I would first try the Hyper 212+.
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thanks guys, i'll look into those options. Might also up the budget and just get a noctua u14s since I saved $ buying the i5 + motherboard combo going on at newegg right now, plus saved on my ssd as well
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I don't know what's going on in the US, but I can't find anything else that's competing well with this one or the Hyper 212 EVO with regards to price. Everything else is strangely expensive.
That's how i feel too, we have a ton of awesome choices in europe like true spirit 140 power with a ty-143 beating nh-d14 for like £38. It's like US has everything else way cheaper aside from coolers, so it looks out of place paying so much
If(?) you already have hyper 212, then it's worth using but if not i would shoot higher cause it's not so hard to max out i5's
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I have one yea, but i'd have to cannibalize my old comp for it, and i'm still tossing around the idea of using that for other purposes (and threw out the stock cooler years ago)
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On September 21 2014 20:21 Cyro wrote:It's hard to describe quiet, but you can get a case with like three ~600-800rpm fans, gpu with a decent cooler, cpu with something like a hr-02 macho and fan @600rpm and you have extremely little noise with gpu using settings to run at ~100-150w
My plan was/is to get a nzxt h440, and a motherboard that can control the case fans and set them at a "quiet level", aka 600-800rpm~.
Instead of a hr-02 macho i am thinking of getting a Noctua NH-U14S, and not having it on max speed but lower~.
According to techpowerup, it has the lowest noise of all cpu coolers i have seen. Maybe you or someone else have another experience? Its even quier than the new 15 version according to that site.
My plan was to get a msi geforce 770 since its a really good cooler. Now with the new gpus out now or soon i might get one of those(but only if it turns out its a quiet cooler).
According to the same site, the EVGA Supernova G2 750W doesnt show any good dbm, but according to ppls reviews its suppoed to be really quiet if you change some mode in it. You or someone else have experience with this psu? The priory of the psu for me is to have it as quiet as possible and still function atleast decent.
Does my plan sound good?
I will not get the computer right now but maybe in a few months, so maybe i have to change things later on anyway.
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On September 27 2014 16:38 Foxxan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 20:21 Cyro wrote:On September 21 2014 20:06 Foxxan wrote:
Both. It's hard to describe quiet, but you can get a case with like three ~600-800rpm fans, gpu with a decent cooler, cpu with something like a hr-02 macho and fan @600rpm and you have extremely little noise with gpu using settings to run at ~100-150w My plan was/is to get a nzxt h440, and a motherboard that can control the case fans and set them at a "quiet level", aka 600-800rpm~. Instead of a hr-02 macho i am thinking of getting a Noctua NH-U14S, and not having it on max speed but lower~. According to techpowerup, it has the lowest noise of all cpu coolers i have seen. Maybe you or someone else have another experience? Its even quier than the new 15 version according to that site. My plan was to get a msi geforce 770 since its a really good cooler. Now with the new gpus out now or soon i might get one of those(but only if it turns out its a quiet cooler). According to the same site, the EVGA Supernova G2 750W doesnt show any good dbm, but according to ppls reviews its suppoed to be really quiet if you change some mode in it. You or someone else have experience with this psu? The priory of the psu for me is to have it as quiet as possible and still function atleast decent. Does my plan sound good? I will not get the computer right now but maybe in a few months, so maybe i have to change things later on anyway.
The cards out right now are better than a 770 in any way. They're more efficient, draw less heat and are also more quiet (with certain coolers atleast, EVGA's version apparently has a terrible sound). MSI and ASUS even have something built in that under ~60% GPU usage, the fans don't turn on. (= no sound at all), so only under heavy load you'll actually notice the sound. It's pretty nice.
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Foxxan are you going to overclock? If not, Sycthe's Katana 4 and Titan's Dragonfly 4 are both very quiet CPU coolers. They aren't strong enough for overclocking but they're dead silent on Intel quad cores at stock voltage.
Otherwise for silent operation, I think Be quiet! Straight Power or Dark Power Pro PSUs are good (avoid Pure Power, apparently HEC sucks compared to FSP or something). Cooler Master's VS series are also very good PSUs that aren't too noisy.
I'm not sure where you're buying your parts, nor from what retailer though. I just like the idea of a silent rig.
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I am thinking of having it on stock, the cpu.
Its an i74790k. Maybe i do overclock it some tho. Will not monster do it tho, just having it on a stable watt or w.e its called(?)
I checked out techpowerup again and according to that site the noctua nh-d15 is quiter than scythe katana 4 and titan dragonfly 4. Was wrong about one thing, the d15 is actually more quiet than the u14s, atleast according to that site.
Maybe you check some other site which show other resaults?
Found some reviews about the be quiet! dark power and the dbm was really good. Even at maximum it looked rly good. Best ive seen. To bad the techpower site does not have a review of it.
Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W BN603 PSU Review
It was this one i found. I assume now this functions decent+ with the new gpus?
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Dark Power Pros are very well built PSUs but they're also expensive. The same thing could be said about the NH-D15.
Obviously these parts are high quality and also very quiet, however they're also quite pricey. If you're not going to overlock and you're going to use a single GPU, then an 850W PSU is hardcore overkill. As is the NH-D15. You could get a lesser cooler and simply run it at lower speeds (e.g. Dragonfly 4), a stock CPU can't output enough heat to make a fan run at 100% RPM, so it's not bad to look at the 50% setting for example.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15/7.html
E: that said it's really hard to give recommendations without budget / parts used / retailers.
If you're going to overclock for example than the NH-D15 or even the Dark Rock 3 can be interesting to look at, though it's going to be expensive, so that really depends on your budget.
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The price of the nh-d15 and dark rock 3 are solid for me. I am happy to spend extra money on those.
Dark rock 3 is actually cheap in my eyes. In sweden its less than $100 for it.
Be quiet! dark power pro 10 550W is around $200. This price is good in my eyes.
Ofcourse iam willing to spend more money if i need 850W. Its costly but in the long run it really pays off imo.
About overclocking. Could probably use some help here actually.
The reason i wanna overclock the cpu is so i can run heavier programs. Lets say i wanna make a video game and the program requires big effort from the computer, will an overclock help here or do i need to buy a much better cpu?
Sorry if its vague.
I kinda missed the part where cyro said running the GPU at 100-150W will make it quiet. Thats interesting.
What does this mean exactly?
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A faster CPU will obviously help run heavier programs, there's 0 doubt about that. Since money doesn't seem to be a problem for you, then you should probably overclock, since for rigs with above $1000 budget should be overclocked. Though the question is, what are you going to be using your rig for? Only gaming? Also programming? Streaming? All of them? An i7-4790K has a $100 premium price on it compared to the i5-4690k. If you overclock, you need to get a Z97 motherboard instead of an H97 board.
$200 is really expensive for a 550W PSU. With that budget you can obtain absolutely top-end PSUs such as these (which are also overkill by the way):
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-Digital-Modular-Platinum/dp/B00A0HZNDW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1411821929&sr=8-2&
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=317
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/AX760i/11.html
Depending on your budget and needs, there are so many different possibilities. I posted thinking that quiet operation would be the most important thing for the rig you're looking at for example, though if you want silence while overclocking then most of my posts are off-target. If you really want solid advice you'd have to fill out the form in the OP, that would get you the best possible help from this thread.
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Thanks for all the help so far incognoto.
Not sure its a good idea to fill out the form in the OP since iam usually vague about things. My brain stops working.
The computer are for all of them:
Gaming
Streaming
Programming
Iam very clueless about the programming part. In the future i will probably take a look at unreal engine for example, no clue if it requires much from the computer once you work at it.
I will cut and edit videos. Record videos and get it on the computer.
The corsair AX 760W 80+ was on the old sample i think. Even if it wasnt it looks really solid. One link didnt work, maybe it doesnt matter since the 760W is all i probably need(?)
My goal is to get the:
i7 4790k and a z79 motherboard. Right now i have the asus maximus VII hero. I have read alot of reviews about motherboards but i dont understand it very well.
I kinda looked if the motherboard could handle overclocking decent/well.
If it had the "new" network that gives...Better ping or something.
If it had the m2 port..But maybe i dont wanna spend extra money on the new and faster harddrive since it will be
very expensive?
I have no problem paying more money for a motherboard as long as it is for tools that i need.
I can afford quite a heavy computer but iam not sure i wanna go mega expensive.
$2500 for the computer is reasonable. Around that price.
Silent/Quiet computer - I prefer a silent computer but is that ALOT more expensive?
Is the noctua dh-15 off even? There are more expensive cpu coolers out there that are....silent 100% etc?
I guess if i do work on heavier programs, the cpu will run hotter and harder.
Appreciate all help i can get. Will not get the computer yet tho but in a few months at best.
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That's a lot of information to work with already. A few points, though nothing too precise since you aren't building the computer yet:
Your budget is kind of overkill for what your needs are. An overclocked i7 4790K with a single, high-end graphics card is going to do well enough for your needs and for $1200-1500 you can get a very nice rig running. With your budget, indeed the NH-D15 and the Dark Rock Pro 3 are products to look at for example. Spending $200 on the PSU is overkill though. For $100 you can get a great unit which isn't noisy.
Quiet computer parts are hardly more expensive than "normal" ones, so you should be fine if you just look for parts that have the reputation of being quieter than competition.
E: unrelated. normally I don't browse French websites however I came up this article which compared GPU drivers: http://www.hardware.fr/focus/100/performances-cpu-catalyst-14-7-rc3-vs-geforce-340-52.html
Catalyst 14.7 vs 340.52
Unfortunately they don't seem to mention the clock-speeds of the processors they're using, yet it's apparent that Intel > AMD in terms of CPU power. The goal was to compare drivers though, not cards. So what the testers did was put every game in a CPU limited situation during their benchmarks.
the tl;dr is that Nvidia's drivers are a bit better right now. it's a shame the article isn't in English, but I really like the idea and also the graphs are super cute (you can compare stuff with clicks + mouse overs).
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Ofcourse iam willing to spend more money if i need 850W. Its costly but in the long run it really pays off imo.
About overclocking. Could probably use some help here actually.
The reason i wanna overclock the cpu is so i can run heavier programs. Lets say i wanna make a video game and the program requires big effort from the computer, will an overclock help here or do i need to buy a much better cpu?
Sorry if its vague.
I kinda missed the part where cyro said running the GPU at 100-150W will make it quiet. Thats interesting.
What does this mean exactly?
850w is just pretty useless because you can run the whole system from a 250w psu if you're trying to be quiet (depending on the clock speeds etc). You just need a PSU that isn't noisy at the wattage level you want to draw.
CPU OC usually helps games a lot more than just "buying a stronger CPU" because paying more for CPU than i5 level only offers Hyperthreading and increased core counts, it doesn't help performance of individual cores (and can even slightly hurt it) which most CPU bound games care about a lot more.
For GPU, you can run at 1600mhz drawing like 200 or even 225w, or you can just run at 1200mhz and use like 130w. Random guesses for power numbers, but power draw is directly proportional to heat output so you can run GPU at say three quarters of max speed instead of max speed and DRASTICALLY cut into the noise level.
Nvidia ran their gk104 laptop parts around ~700-800mhz because they were more efficient there, instead of the ~1300mhz that they were capable of achieving with higher voltage (because it cost more in power than it gave back in performance)
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What is your budget? $1000 AUD
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (120hz)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LoL/Dota2, oldish games (circa 2005-2013) on at least medium to high.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Very rarely video editing
Do you intend to overclock? Only the graphics
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Silent/quiet is the aim for this build and also as small as possible.
What country will you be buying your parts in? AU
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Umart, Computer Alliance, MSY, GoComp
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/wdMzpg
Grabbing the H97 so I can upgrade to broadwell needed in the future.
Picked the 4960 as it is a Devils Canyon (?) with improved TIM.
This was the only motherboard I could find in mITX with the M.2 slot.
I play mainly LoL and Dota2 and currently going through my back catalogue of unplayed games (the only one I'm sort of worried about is Metro 2033).
Taking RAM from my current PC (8gb DDR3 1333).
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On September 28 2014 14:44 miicah wrote:What is your budget? $1000 AUD What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (120hz) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? LoL/Dota2, oldish games (circa 2005-2013) on at least medium to high. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Very rarely video editing Do you intend to overclock? Only the graphics Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Silent/quiet is the aim for this build and also as small as possible. What country will you be buying your parts in? AU If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Umart, Computer Alliance, MSY, GoComp http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/wdMzpgGrabbing the H97 so I can upgrade to broadwell needed in the future. Picked the 4960 as it is a Devils Canyon (?) with improved TIM. This was the only motherboard I could find in mITX with the M.2 slot. I play mainly LoL and Dota2 and currently going through my back catalogue of unplayed games (the only one I'm sort of worried about is Metro 2033). Taking RAM from my current PC (8gb DDR3 1333).
That PSU isn't that great. It's largely over-priced for what it is: http://www.overclock.net/t/1455892/why-you-might-not-want-to-buy-a-corsair-rm-psu
550W PSU is overkill for such a system, but it's hard to find a good PSU that doesn't suck at lower wattage ratings either way. I can see the merits of getting a modular PSU in a small build such as this one, so I think this is the PSU I recommend:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=29185
The cheaper option might be a CX430, but at $70 that's the most ridiculous rip-off ever. So might as well spend just a little more to get a nice PSU such as CM V550S. It's good, it's semi-modular, it's efficient at low loads (your rig will be a low load) and it's also pretty quiet, unlike cheap Corsair PSUs.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CoolerMaster/V550S/11.html
That case you chose looks really solid, especially the fact that it can accomodate tallish CPU coolers, I like it: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/08/15/thermaltake_core_v1_miniitx_case_review/4#.VCfX4zbIqM8
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Grabbing the H97 so I can upgrade to broadwell needed in the future.
Picked the 4960 as it is a Devils Canyon (?) with improved TIM.
The 4690k and 4790k are devil's canyon. Those are the only two CPU's (so none of the locked ones), and it doesn't really matter unless your overclocking or maybe trying to run a passive cooled rig - the stock cooler holds back performance more than bad thermal transfer when your cpu is only using ~60w at stock settings and 100% load.
Also, it's very likely that broadwell will just be a single digit % performance upgrade with same amount of cores, so don't count on upgrading to it. Next gen really worth talking about, unless intel throws a curveball, will be Skylake hopefully around second half of next year (with new socket and ddr4)
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Anyone catch the MSI R9 280x or 290x on sale at TigerDirect this morning? $140 and $185 for refurbs. All gone now.
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Hey ropid:
http://www.tech-review.de/include.php?path=content/articles.php&contentid=16157&page=7
Can you perhaps tell me how good / bad this PSU is (just skim the conclusion^^)? It's at €36 on amazon.fr, which is quite a nice price. It's only 300W, which makes me think it could pull off a basic i3 / GTX 750 Ti rig. It would obviously be laughing at a pentium with integrated graphics. I kind of like this PSU, but I can't read German so I don't know how it fares against a PSU like a CX430 (in terms of performance and noise). I think it's better but I'm not 100% sure. google translate leaves something to be desired:
"The level of noise, has convinced us up on the abrasive fan and the permanent electronic noise, which turn out rather decent. "
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