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On September 25 2014 05:32 Haine wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi all, Years ago I got some solid advice here, so I would like to ask you again for a build for my parents. The mobo seems to have died and the PC is pretty ancient anyways (apart from a few upgraded parts). Therefore I'm looking for a mostly new build. I can re-use the harddisks (HD and SSD), DVD drive and maybe graphics card + Show Spoiler +I can't figure out what the current card is. It says article number 20041010 and serial number starts with MS - V127. It also has N1996 printed on the board. I can't find more that it should be "a" NVidea GeForce To fill in the requested list: + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?Prefer to keep it low, <500-600 euro What is your monitor's native resolution?2 monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Essentially no games except for perhaps some flash/online stuff. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Basically it will hardly be used for gaming. Regular office work, some video/stream watching, browsing, online flash games, etc. Do you intend to overclock?Not necessarily, unless it is something I can easily do for them (I haven't done it before, but I heard multipliers should be pretty easy) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No need to get harddisks, optical drive. Graphics card can be given optional What country will you be buying your parts in?Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.htmlSite is in dutch, but I guess you can still figure out the parts and prices there. I more than appreciate any help!
This is so overkill already:
Intel Core i3-4160 - €108
http://www.alternate.nl/Intel(R)/Core(TM)-i3-4160-3-6-GHz-1150-processor/html/product/1147307?tk=7&lk=9492
AsRock H97M Pro4 - €78
http://www.alternate.nl/ASRock/H97M-Pro4-socket-1150-moederbord/html/product/1139194?tk=7&lk=9450
Crucial 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz - €70
http://www.alternate.nl/Crucial/8-GB-DDR3-1600-Kit-geheugen/html/product/1008044?tk=7&lk=9329
Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 300W - €43
http://www.alternate.nl/be-quiet!/Pure-Power-L8-300W-300-Watt-voeding/html/product/1085983?tk=7&lk=9529
Cooler Master Silencio 352 - €55
http://www.alternate.nl/Cooler-Master/Silencio-352-behuizing/html/product/1086797?tk=7&lk=9285
Current integrated graphics are better than whatever the old card probably is and can handle much more than what most users need.
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On September 25 2014 06:49 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:32 Haine wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi all, Years ago I got some solid advice here, so I would like to ask you again for a build for my parents. The mobo seems to have died and the PC is pretty ancient anyways (apart from a few upgraded parts). Therefore I'm looking for a mostly new build. I can re-use the harddisks (HD and SSD), DVD drive and maybe graphics card + Show Spoiler +I can't figure out what the current card is. It says article number 20041010 and serial number starts with MS - V127. It also has N1996 printed on the board. I can't find more that it should be "a" NVidea GeForce To fill in the requested list: + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?Prefer to keep it low, <500-600 euro What is your monitor's native resolution?2 monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Essentially no games except for perhaps some flash/online stuff. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Basically it will hardly be used for gaming. Regular office work, some video/stream watching, browsing, online flash games, etc. Do you intend to overclock?Not necessarily, unless it is something I can easily do for them (I haven't done it before, but I heard multipliers should be pretty easy) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No need to get harddisks, optical drive. Graphics card can be given optional What country will you be buying your parts in?Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.htmlSite is in dutch, but I guess you can still figure out the parts and prices there. I more than appreciate any help! This is so overkill already: Intel Core i3-4160 - €108 http://www.alternate.nl/Intel(R)/Core(TM)-i3-4160-3-6-GHz-1150-processor/html/product/1147307?tk=7&lk=9492AsRock H97M Pro4 - €78 http://www.alternate.nl/ASRock/H97M-Pro4-socket-1150-moederbord/html/product/1139194?tk=7&lk=9450Crucial 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz - €70 http://www.alternate.nl/Crucial/8-GB-DDR3-1600-Kit-geheugen/html/product/1008044?tk=7&lk=9329Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 300W - €43 http://www.alternate.nl/be-quiet!/Pure-Power-L8-300W-300-Watt-voeding/html/product/1085983?tk=7&lk=9529Cooler Master Silencio 352 - €55 http://www.alternate.nl/Cooler-Master/Silencio-352-behuizing/html/product/1086797?tk=7&lk=9285Current integrated graphics are better than whatever the old card probably is and can handle much more than what most users need.
Thanks! Is it nowadays no problem to hook up multiple monitors to an integrated graphics? It will most likely be used with 1 VGA and 1 DVI monitor.
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On September 25 2014 06:49 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 05:32 Haine wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi all, Years ago I got some solid advice here, so I would like to ask you again for a build for my parents. The mobo seems to have died and the PC is pretty ancient anyways (apart from a few upgraded parts). Therefore I'm looking for a mostly new build. I can re-use the harddisks (HD and SSD), DVD drive and maybe graphics card + Show Spoiler +I can't figure out what the current card is. It says article number 20041010 and serial number starts with MS - V127. It also has N1996 printed on the board. I can't find more that it should be "a" NVidea GeForce To fill in the requested list: + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?Prefer to keep it low, <500-600 euro What is your monitor's native resolution?2 monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Essentially no games except for perhaps some flash/online stuff. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Basically it will hardly be used for gaming. Regular office work, some video/stream watching, browsing, online flash games, etc. Do you intend to overclock?Not necessarily, unless it is something I can easily do for them (I haven't done it before, but I heard multipliers should be pretty easy) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No need to get harddisks, optical drive. Graphics card can be given optional What country will you be buying your parts in?Netherlands If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.htmlSite is in dutch, but I guess you can still figure out the parts and prices there. I more than appreciate any help! This is so overkill already: Intel Core i3-4160 - €108 http://www.alternate.nl/Intel(R)/Core(TM)-i3-4160-3-6-GHz-1150-processor/html/product/1147307?tk=7&lk=9492AsRock H97M Pro4 - €78 http://www.alternate.nl/ASRock/H97M-Pro4-socket-1150-moederbord/html/product/1139194?tk=7&lk=9450Crucial 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz - €70 http://www.alternate.nl/Crucial/8-GB-DDR3-1600-Kit-geheugen/html/product/1008044?tk=7&lk=9329Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 300W - €43 http://www.alternate.nl/be-quiet!/Pure-Power-L8-300W-300-Watt-voeding/html/product/1085983?tk=7&lk=9529Cooler Master Silencio 352 - €55 http://www.alternate.nl/Cooler-Master/Silencio-352-behuizing/html/product/1086797?tk=7&lk=9285Current integrated graphics are better than whatever the old card probably is and can handle much more than what most users need.
Any reason for H97 over H81 and non-refresh i3? Just curious.
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United States9452 Posts
Non-refresh i3? Price, core frequency.
H97? It was more about the system probably going to be used a long time (CPU VRM heatsinks, better than bottom build quality), Intel NIC, HDMI / DVI / VGA video outputs (two monitors are going to be used and the inputs not specified... may as well get two digital outs), support for refresh processors in case of unlikely upgrade without BIOS update (which could be forgotten). It's maybe or probably not worth it over stuff 10-30 euros less, but it's hard to say.
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What is your budget?
Low. Trying to keep it under 500.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
StarCraft 2, LoL, DOTA2, HotS, Hearthstone, Football Manager. I would like to at least have the option of playing newer games on lower settings. I run all of those on the lowest possible right now 
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I would like to stream a little. Nothing professional, just a mid-range type deal for my friends to check out once in awhile. Beyond that, mainly gaming and just general PC stuff.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Eh, no. I'll just transfer my HD since I bought it less than a year ago.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
N/a
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Amazon/Newegg, but w/e.
With that said, here is what I currently have in my shopping cart. I'm just wondering if this is probably the best route to go since I'm on a pretty low budget. I'm undecided about a case (get a new one or use my old one), so end price could be +30-50 dollars.
Sapphire Radeon R7 260x 2GB @125
MSI A78M Mobo @62
AMD Athlon Multi Core 3.8 @82
Crucial Ballistix 8g DDR3 @75
Rosewill 450w 80 PLUS @60
= About $404
Do I need a higher power supply? Are there any areas you guys would change to keep it around the same price for similar/higher power?
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On September 26 2014 03:07 GrapeApe wrote:What is your budget?Low. Trying to keep it under 500. What is your monitor's native resolution?1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?StarCraft 2, LoL, DOTA2, HotS, Hearthstone, Football Manager. I would like to at least have the option of playing newer games on lower settings. I run all of those on the lowest possible right now What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?I would like to stream a little. Nothing professional, just a mid-range type deal for my friends to check out once in awhile. Beyond that, mainly gaming and just general PC stuff. Do you intend to overclock?No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No Do you need an operating system?Eh, no. I'll just transfer my HD since I bought it less than a year ago. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.N/a What country will you be buying your parts in?USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.Amazon/Newegg, but w/e. With that said, here is what I currently have in my shopping cart. I'm just wondering if this is probably the best route to go since I'm on a pretty low budget. I'm undecided about a case (get a new one or use my old one), so end price could be +30-50 dollars. Sapphire Radeon R7 260x 2GB @125MSI A78M Mobo @62AMD Athlon Multi Core 3.8 @82Crucial Ballistix 8g DDR3 @75Rosewill 450w 80 PLUS @60= About $404 Do I need a higher power supply? Are there any areas you guys would change to keep it around the same price for similar/higher power?
It's pretty mandatory to use an Intel CPU for blizzards RTS engine (starcraft 2, heroes of the storm) and LoL also prefers that, i'm not sure about other games there.
450w is way too much for a system like that so don't worry, but there is a shortage of good PSU's at lower wattages so it's quite common to use 450
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Finished tweaking my build, wanted to get your stamp of approval
What is your budget?
$1300 ish, flexible
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1200
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Dota 2, maybe destiny, high as possible
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
internet browsing, some streaming, wife uses it for her coding work as well
Do you intend to overclock?
yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Not at the moment
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None in particular
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I have a microcenter near by
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/grlIt8w.jpg)
Thoughts?
Ram is a bit overkill on quantity but my wife kind of insisted cause she uses the computer too, considering what I currently play the whole computer is overkill but it allows me to future proof against other games somewhat. The alternative is that I could just run with my GTX 460 that I currently have until I actually need something stronger
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just bought the MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G over the gigabyte g1 970 because who knows how long it will take before it'll come in stock :X. that and it was 30ish or so dollars cheaper... hope i made the right choice
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Just looking at pictures, I like how it looks. It seems the fans are larger than what's typical? That might make the fans more quiet. One image showed the base plate of the cooler where it touches the GPU chip, and that's not just the heat-pipes directly touching the chip, is instead a nice plate. If they soldered that well, that should be great.
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I feel like I've seen the Corsair cx430 recommended? NE has it on sale for $36 before a $20 MIR. Is that worth getting for a basic build? (mid range gpu, no oc etc)
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Ya CX430 is fine for any video card with one PCIe connector.
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On September 26 2014 05:46 y0su wrote:
I feel like I've seen the Corsair cx430 recommended? NE has it on sale for $36 before a $20 MIR. Is that worth getting for a basic build? (mid range gpu, no oc etc)
I think a good rule of thumb, to use as a guideline when looking at PSUs, is looking at the 12V rail. Most of the system's power comes from that rail (more than 80%, most of the time), the 12V rail is the one that supplies power the graphics card, the processor (which are the two big consumers of power) as well as other miscellaneous parts. Compare two popular PSUs:
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/cx430-80-plus-bronze-certified-power-supply
http://www.rosewill.com/products/1803/ProductDetail_Specifications.htm
Assuming we disregard things like voltage regulation, ripple suppression, build quality and efficiency, you can just look at the 12V rail and multiply that by the amperage it can pull off. The CX 430 is at 32*12 = 384W, whereas the Capstone 450 is at 37*12 = 444W. Just looking at that tag shows you that the CX430's capabilities are closer to a 380W PSU rather than a 430W unit.
Of course, just looking at that tag doesn't tell you all the story. Efficiency comes into play as well. Imagine you're running a PSU with 80% efficiency, and your rig needs 300W to run. The PSU will draw 375W from the wall socket. 20% of that energy will become heat. However, if your PSU is efficient to 90%, then powering a 300W rig will only draw ~340W from the wall socket and less heat will be generated. Less heat generated means less work for the fan means quieter PSU.
These are some basic aspects to look at when comparing PSUs and it's why the CX430 is crap compared to the Capstone 450 for example.
That said, the CX430 is still sufficient to power modern rigs with Haswell processors and mainstream graphics cards.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/10
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/22
^In that review, you see that a big 6 core 4960X, overclocked to 4.2 GHz with a GTX 750 Ti needs ~180W of power to run.
A CX430 would be dangerous to run a 4930K, overclocked to 4.7 GHz with a high end graphics card however:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/67488-asus-gtx-970-strix-oc-review-3.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/67488-asus-gtx-970-strix-oc-review-9.html
tl;dr: what skyR said
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@KOFgokuon hyper212 is kinda underpowered cooler, $35 is also expensive for it.. they used to be like $25. Whatever you do, temperatures will not be amazing so it's better to shoot for upper midrange if you dont want high end cooler, 212 is just meh tier compared to stronger options (if you was in europe, i would tell you to grab a true spirit 140 power for 1/5'th of the cost of i5)
Also see if there's faster RAM available at similar price point because it usually doesn't cost significantly more. I've seen significant (as much as gaining 200-300mhz on CPU) returns from RAM speed on three major engines (blizzards RTS engine for sc2/heroes, frostbite engine and source engine)
@wussleeQ If i had to guess, i would say the MSI gaming 970 is -better- than the gigabyte one, while also being cheaper. It's not worse. Everyone is flocking to the MSI card and more than a couple on OCN have broken 1600mhz/8000mhz stable on air with it
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Hm ok. I assume that the hyper212 has changed in the last 4 years right? At least the mounting bracket must have changed. Other wise I could just reuse the one I have lol
I'll look into ram, what's there was just a place holder for when I was making a bidder , I'm likely to wait for a bargain on slickdeals for components anyways
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What does your wife use the RAM for?
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On September 26 2014 18:30 Incognoto wrote:
What does your wife use the RAM for?
There's plenty of work related stuff that requires 16gb or more. If she says she needs it then she probably knows what she'll be doing with it.
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On September 26 2014 18:33 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 18:30 Incognoto wrote:
What does your wife use the RAM for? There's plenty of work related stuff that requires 16gb or more. If she says she needs it then she probably knows what she'll be doing with it.
Oh yeah for sure then. My rule of thumb is that if someone isn't sure whether or not they need more than 8 Gb of RAM, it's that they don't. If she asked for it specifically, well, there you have it.
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On September 26 2014 18:56 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 18:33 Firkraag8 wrote:On September 26 2014 18:30 Incognoto wrote:
What does your wife use the RAM for? There's plenty of work related stuff that requires 16gb or more. If she says she needs it then she probably knows what she'll be doing with it. Oh yeah for sure then. My rule of thumb is that if someone isn't sure whether or not they need more than 8 Gb of RAM, it's that they don't. If she asked for it specifically, well, there you have it.
Ya, it's way too common for people to buy too much RAM, they say it's for future proof but then buy it in the future. 
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Hello kind folks, I intend to build a computer very soon and I'd just like a second opinion and insight on the parts I've chosen regarding their compatibility and any problems I may encounter or if there are better options etc etc. I live in Australia and the price is roughly $896. I intend to stream at 720 and under, play CSGO, LoL, SCII, ArchAge and some other things.
CPU Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard [b] ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Performance ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB FTW ACX Video Card
Case Thermaltake Chaser A31 Snow White ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/Qyhzpg
Thank you in advance for your insight.
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After some followup discussion with Cryo, I wanted to raise this question to a larger audience. Was interested in knowing if there was another option in the $25-$50 range that might be stronger than the Hyper 212+. I've used the 212+ before and like it, but was curious what othero ptions there were, noctua stuff all seems much more expensive
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