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DroneDroneDrone
Profile Joined June 2014
United States11 Posts
July 05 2014 06:29 GMT
#6781
On July 05 2014 14:41 DroneDroneDrone wrote:
Hello, made a new build that I'd like for you to review. My budget is $800 and this goes a bit over. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GMMPgs
This PC will be used for gaming, streaming, and office/schoolwork. What settings will it run LoL, SC2, and BF3 at? Was going to go with FX 6300 with a good gpu but as you stated LoL, and SC2 work better with intel CPUs. Did not go with the 4130 but instead with the 4690k as I plan to OC in the future. Also, are the parts compatible?

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/frequ/saved/QGqBD3
^^^^^ View this part list instead. The one in the quote is a wrong link ( does not have GPU )
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 08:12:02
July 05 2014 08:08 GMT
#6782
On July 05 2014 12:26 Jer99 wrote:
Thanks for the input:

Here's the tentative build, will 99.99% order tomorrow

+ Show Spoiler +
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($266.24 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($45.72 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($133.95 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1117.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


Now some questions about overclocking

As i understand it, slowly bring up the multiplier, and when it BSODs on a stress test, slowly bring up the Vcore until it's stable, and try not to go over 1.45V/90 Celsius??


Not entirely. There's more knobs than just vcore and core multiplier.

At the very least, you should set a few things, like uncore to 33x with 1.15v, VRIN LLC to a high level, maybe some other power settings (but they don't matter so much) and then you're adjusting Core multiplier, Vcore and VRIN with at least one, but maybe a couple of different specific stress tests. I like to use x264 and prime27.9 custom with 1-2 fft sizes for working out which vcore to use on Haswell, i can talk you through that if you want. It's not really more complicated than that, but if you miss -any- of those steps it can be awkward.

1.45 is a very high vcore number* unless you're a pretty extreme overclocker, especially since i see people all of the time thinking that they have set for example 1.35vcore when they're actually using 1.37-1.38, so stick to about 1.325 if you want safe, easy and no long term worry.

If you have for example 4.6@1.3vcore, then it's probably not worth going to the next multiplier up.

If 1.325vcore wansn't quite enough for some arbitrary 100mhz step, like 4.5 or 4.7, then i would up it a bit to ~1.34 or whatever it needed to be stable, so some wiggle room on voltage.

My vcore steps are around ~4.5@1.265, 4.6@1.32 and 4.7@1.395, but that's some really harsh voltage cliffing and it might be somewhat related to temperatures getting significantly worse. My 4.5 will run on 1.8-1.85 or so VRIN, but the 4.7 NEEDS 2.05 with LLC or it will fail, no matter what you do. That confused me for months back when people had no clue what they were doing with Haswell.


*It's appropriate if you're using the system for gaming and not regularly loading like all of your CPU cores overnight or for many hours at a time, and you replacing the CPU in 1-2 years, or you want to push the most out of your hardware and you don't mind degratation or dropping clocks. 1.45-1.5vcore at say 80-90c will degrade a Haswell cpu way way way faster than 1.3-1.35vcore at 65-75c will.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 08:31:11
July 05 2014 08:16 GMT
#6783
On July 05 2014 15:29 DroneDroneDrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 14:41 DroneDroneDrone wrote:
Hello, made a new build that I'd like for you to review. My budget is $800 and this goes a bit over. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GMMPgs
This PC will be used for gaming, streaming, and office/schoolwork. What settings will it run LoL, SC2, and BF3 at? Was going to go with FX 6300 with a good gpu but as you stated LoL, and SC2 work better with intel CPUs. Did not go with the 4130 but instead with the 4690k as I plan to OC in the future. Also, are the parts compatible?

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/frequ/saved/QGqBD3
^^^^^ View this part list instead. The one in the quote is a wrong link ( does not have GPU )


You kinda need an Nvidia GPU too. I have not verified that the drivers affect performance in sc2/LoL (because i don't have somebody to follow me around with Haswell, FX and Radeon stuff) but i think they do, and i can say for sure that Nvidia gets like 1.5x more FPS out of Battlefield 3 in a CPU limited situation than the red team GPU's do. It's like Battlefield 4, only there is no Mantle for the Radeon guys so they are stuck using terribly performing Directx drivers. If you typo'd bf3 from bf4, then it doesn't matter so much because you can use Mantle - but i made a post or two recently addressing partially why i hate telling people to buy radeon GPU's for CPU limited games right now

---

Grab either the Gigabyte z97x-gaming 5 (specifically z97x-gaming 5, be careful of versions) - http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97xgaming5 - or a board of significantly lower pricing.

I don't know how to read most of the stuff on http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png because i'm not an engineer or particularly good with electronics, but it says that the MSI z97 gaming 7 has 6+1 analog/hybrid power phases, the MSI gaming 5 might be equal but is probably worse.

The Gigabyte z97x-gaming 5 is a true 8-phase digital board and it was still cheaper anyway. If you don't want to pay for that board (which is pretty known now as great for price point in terms of pushing high overclocks) or you just want to run a lower, safe and easy overclock (like 1.3vcore) then it's possible to save a notable amount of money with a cheaper board and not really notice a difference. My preference would be to Asus or Gigabyte though.

---

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066&cm_re=rosewill_capstone-_-17-182-066-_-Product

significantly better PSU (84w lower output on 12v, does it matter?), few dollars cheaper

---

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231689&cm_re=2133_RAM-_-20-231-689-_-Product

^Slightly better/cheaper RAM
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DroneDroneDrone
Profile Joined June 2014
United States11 Posts
July 05 2014 14:47 GMT
#6784
So if I should go with an Nvidia GPU. Do you have one that you could recommend that's equal to the r7 260x in performance and price? I was think gtx 760/750 ti as that's what it says on Tomshardware GPU hierarchy chart.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
July 05 2014 14:56 GMT
#6785
On July 05 2014 23:47 DroneDroneDrone wrote:
So if I should go with an Nvidia GPU. Do you have one that you could recommend that's equal to the r7 260x in performance and price? I was think gtx 760/750 ti as that's what it says on Tomshardware GPU hierarchy chart.


~750/750ti

265 is above 750ti, 270 is somewhat equivelant to 760
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 16:07:56
July 05 2014 16:07 GMT
#6786
On July 05 2014 17:08 Cyro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 05 2014 12:26 Jer99 wrote:
Thanks for the input:

Here's the tentative build, will 99.99% order tomorrow

+ Show Spoiler +
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($266.24 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($45.72 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($133.95 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1117.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


Now some questions about overclocking

As i understand it, slowly bring up the multiplier, and when it BSODs on a stress test, slowly bring up the Vcore until it's stable, and try not to go over 1.45V/90 Celsius??


Not entirely. There's more knobs than just vcore and core multiplier.

At the very least, you should set a few things, like uncore to 33x with 1.15v, VRIN LLC to a high level, maybe some other power settings (but they don't matter so much) and then you're adjusting Core multiplier, Vcore and VRIN with at least one, but maybe a couple of different specific stress tests. I like to use x264 and prime27.9 custom with 1-2 fft sizes for working out which vcore to use on Haswell, i can talk you through that if you want. It's not really more complicated than that, but if you miss -any- of those steps it can be awkward.

1.45 is a very high vcore number* unless you're a pretty extreme overclocker, especially since i see people all of the time thinking that they have set for example 1.35vcore when they're actually using 1.37-1.38, so stick to about 1.325 if you want safe, easy and no long term worry.

If you have for example 4.6@1.3vcore, then it's probably not worth going to the next multiplier up.

If 1.325vcore wansn't quite enough for some arbitrary 100mhz step, like 4.5 or 4.7, then i would up it a bit to ~1.34 or whatever it needed to be stable, so some wiggle room on voltage.

My vcore steps are around ~4.5@1.265, 4.6@1.32 and 4.7@1.395, but that's some really harsh voltage cliffing and it might be somewhat related to temperatures getting significantly worse. My 4.5 will run on 1.8-1.85 or so VRIN, but the 4.7 NEEDS 2.05 with LLC or it will fail, no matter what you do. That confused me for months back when people had no clue what they were doing with Haswell.


*It's appropriate if you're using the system for gaming and not regularly loading like all of your CPU cores overnight or for many hours at a time, and you replacing the CPU in 1-2 years, or you want to push the most out of your hardware and you don't mind degratation or dropping clocks. 1.45-1.5vcore at say 80-90c will degrade a Haswell cpu way way way faster than 1.3-1.35vcore at 65-75c will.



Thanks for all the info guys

So the plan is to order those parts today, build the PC in the next week or so, then OC sometimes soon after that
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
July 05 2014 16:39 GMT
#6787
Hey guys, After ton of reading this thread i've come up with a build.
With this build I want to do streaming and video editing. my budget is about 1200 dollar.
I would love to hear what you guys think about the build.

build:
+ Show Spoiler +

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($106.81 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $1253.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Studying Chinese~
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 05 2014 17:19 GMT
#6788
On July 06 2014 01:39 ZhenMiChan wrote:
Hey guys, After ton of reading this thread i've come up with a build.
With this build I want to do streaming and video editing. my budget is about 1200 dollar.
I would love to hear what you guys think about the build.

build:
+ Show Spoiler +

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($106.81 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $1253.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


Overall solid build imo, didn't go wrong anywhere. I think that it's better to get the GA-Z87X-Gaming 5 though, as well as some faster yet cheaper RAM:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/THXXYJ

The Gigabyte board I went for is slightly better for overclocking since it has a better phase count: http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png

The difference isn't huge but it's enough to warrant getting the GA board, imo. It's a bit cheaper as well. Then again that vrmlist doesn't have MSI's G5, so maybe the phase count is different? I highly doubt it though.

Otherwise I might possibly consider getting another GPU, but that's just me. I feel like getting a GTX 770 with "only" 2 Gb of VRAM ain't that great. It's a good card, don't get me wrong. However I would seriously consider making the step towards a 4 Gb R9 290. The difference in price is there but you're looking a monstrously better price / performance.

Nvidia has better drivers at the moment, as well as Shadowplay, G-sync. So the GTX 770 has that going for it. R9 290 though is more about raw horsepower which is something that I find sexy. AMD is always a bit behind Nvidia so I wouldn't put it past them to put out some drivers in the future which are better in terms of CPU performance. As of right now though AMD is pretty behind though. I don't know. I would seriously consider the R9 290, but this is personal opinion. ^^
maru lover forever
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
July 05 2014 17:50 GMT
#6789
On July 06 2014 02:19 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2014 01:39 ZhenMiChan wrote:
Hey guys, After ton of reading this thread i've come up with a build.
With this build I want to do streaming and video editing. my budget is about 1200 dollar.
I would love to hear what you guys think about the build.

build:
+ Show Spoiler +

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($106.81 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $1253.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


Overall solid build imo, didn't go wrong anywhere. I think that it's better to get the GA-Z87X-Gaming 5 though, as well as some faster yet cheaper RAM:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/THXXYJ

The Gigabyte board I went for is slightly better for overclocking since it has a better phase count: http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png

The difference isn't huge but it's enough to warrant getting the GA board, imo. It's a bit cheaper as well. Then again that vrmlist doesn't have MSI's G5, so maybe the phase count is different? I highly doubt it though.

Otherwise I might possibly consider getting another GPU, but that's just me. I feel like getting a GTX 770 with "only" 2 Gb of VRAM ain't that great. It's a good card, don't get me wrong. However I would seriously consider making the step towards a 4 Gb R9 290. The difference in price is there but you're looking a monstrously better price / performance.

Nvidia has better drivers at the moment, as well as Shadowplay, G-sync. So the GTX 770 has that going for it. R9 290 though is more about raw horsepower which is something that I find sexy. AMD is always a bit behind Nvidia so I wouldn't put it past them to put out some drivers in the future which are better in terms of CPU performance. As of right now though AMD is pretty behind though. I don't know. I would seriously consider the R9 290, but this is personal opinion. ^^



Thanks so much for your reply! Would you suggest getting the EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4gb instead of the 2gb? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5AEIKE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER does it really make such a difference for the extra money?
Studying Chinese~
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 18:05:55
July 05 2014 18:03 GMT
#6790
Nah not really. I wasn't clear enough, my bad.

The 4 Gb version of the 770 allows for higher resolutions / texture settings for example, but most games at 1080p don't go over 2 Gb of VRAM "consumption". Crysis 3 and some other high end graphical games will go just over 2 Gb, so really you should be fine with only 2 Gb of VRAM. Extra VRAM doesn't add extra performance though. The 4 GB version of the 770 would be the ones you would get if you're buying two of them to SLI.

The reason I was talking about the R9 290 is that it has a lot of extra performance. The 4 Gb of VRAM can help you go to 1440p if you feel like it, in the future for example. Otherwise, this is just my personal opinion, I like to allocate a lot of a build's budget to a capable GPU and the R9 290 is just that.

To be fair though, if you're streaming games like Starcraft 2, Dota 2, LoL, hearthstone, etc, then you're perfectly fine with a GTX 770, that card being overkill for those games. A GTX 770 should run most games at ultra settings at 1080p as well, no problem.

Just wanted to throw out that for some extra money, you can get a lot of extra performance in the R9 290. That's all. ^^

The AMD equivalent of the GTX 770 would be the R9 280X. The only real advantage that the 280X has over the GTX 770 is that it has 3 Gb of VRAM, which is perfect for 1080p. Otherwise, the performance of both cards is pretty much the same and the GTX 770 comes out on top in terms of drivers at the moment. So I would probably go for the GTX 770 over the R9 280X, just for that reason. Those are the pros and cons really, afaik.

E: do NOT get a GTX 770 for $410. Get an R9 290 or maybe a GTX 780. But a $410 GTX 770 is pretty damn bad.

E: here, some benchmarks: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/3
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
July 05 2014 19:33 GMT
#6791
Also take into account that "stock" for 760 and 770 is very close to max OC. I can only add 30mhz to my 770 which is almost irrelevant, yet you can get like >10% performance gains from a reasonable oc on a 290/780.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 05 2014 22:39 GMT
#6792
On July 06 2014 01:07 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 17:08 Cyro wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 05 2014 12:26 Jer99 wrote:
Thanks for the input:

Here's the tentative build, will 99.99% order tomorrow

+ Show Spoiler +
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($266.24 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Scythe SCMG-4000 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($45.72 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($133.95 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1117.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


Now some questions about overclocking

As i understand it, slowly bring up the multiplier, and when it BSODs on a stress test, slowly bring up the Vcore until it's stable, and try not to go over 1.45V/90 Celsius??


Not entirely. There's more knobs than just vcore and core multiplier.

At the very least, you should set a few things, like uncore to 33x with 1.15v, VRIN LLC to a high level, maybe some other power settings (but they don't matter so much) and then you're adjusting Core multiplier, Vcore and VRIN with at least one, but maybe a couple of different specific stress tests. I like to use x264 and prime27.9 custom with 1-2 fft sizes for working out which vcore to use on Haswell, i can talk you through that if you want. It's not really more complicated than that, but if you miss -any- of those steps it can be awkward.

1.45 is a very high vcore number* unless you're a pretty extreme overclocker, especially since i see people all of the time thinking that they have set for example 1.35vcore when they're actually using 1.37-1.38, so stick to about 1.325 if you want safe, easy and no long term worry.

If you have for example 4.6@1.3vcore, then it's probably not worth going to the next multiplier up.

If 1.325vcore wansn't quite enough for some arbitrary 100mhz step, like 4.5 or 4.7, then i would up it a bit to ~1.34 or whatever it needed to be stable, so some wiggle room on voltage.

My vcore steps are around ~4.5@1.265, 4.6@1.32 and 4.7@1.395, but that's some really harsh voltage cliffing and it might be somewhat related to temperatures getting significantly worse. My 4.5 will run on 1.8-1.85 or so VRIN, but the 4.7 NEEDS 2.05 with LLC or it will fail, no matter what you do. That confused me for months back when people had no clue what they were doing with Haswell.


*It's appropriate if you're using the system for gaming and not regularly loading like all of your CPU cores overnight or for many hours at a time, and you replacing the CPU in 1-2 years, or you want to push the most out of your hardware and you don't mind degratation or dropping clocks. 1.45-1.5vcore at say 80-90c will degrade a Haswell cpu way way way faster than 1.3-1.35vcore at 65-75c will.



Thanks for all the info guys

So the plan is to order those parts today, build the PC in the next week or so, then OC sometimes soon after that


Not sure if you ordered yet but if you want the 10% off @ newegg.ca , email chris.c.parsons@newegg.ca and he will get it sorted out for you on Monday.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3295 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-06 01:51:51
July 06 2014 01:41 GMT
#6793
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-BW120&c=CJ

Apparently the Thermalright TS-120M(BW) CPU cooler is discontinued (that's the heat sink recommended for the Budget Professional build). Any particular advice about what I should swap in?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
samiamquinn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia137 Posts
July 06 2014 10:18 GMT
#6794
Hey, I'm helping my brother build a computer for himself. I've put together a build which I'm relatively happy with but I just wanted to run it by people with more experience than myself.

The budget is about $2000 (Australian) but this includes a monitor, OS, mouse and keyboard. He will be using it for gaming and would like to avoid upgrading it for quite a while. I would like to run most modern games well and want to avoid overclocking.

Build:
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Intel Core i5 4690 ($249)
link

Arctic Cooling Alpine 11 Pro Rev. 2 ($16)
link

MSI H97M-G43 Motherboard ($115)
link

G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 ($99)
link

Crucial MX100 128GB SSD ($99)
link

Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001 ($99)
link

MSI GeForce GTX 760 Gaming Edition OC 2GB ($309)
link

Samsung SH-224DB 24x DVDRW OEM ($19)
link

TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450Mbps Wireless N PCIe Adaptor ($49)
link

Corsair Carbide 400R Black Mid-Tower Case ($119)
link

Corsair CX-600 V3 Power Supply ($95)
link

ASUS VE248H 24in Widescreen LED Monitor ($189)
link

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM ($115)
link

Razer Taipan Gaming Mouse ($74)
link

Das Keyboard Professional Model S Quiet (Cherry Red) ($169)
link

Total (including some extra cables): $1,947


I'm trying to use this website as I have had good experiences with them in the past and they have similar prices to most other Australian sellers. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 06 2014 14:04 GMT
#6795
On July 06 2014 19:18 samiamquinn wrote:
Hey, I'm helping my brother build a computer for himself. I've put together a build which I'm relatively happy with but I just wanted to run it by people with more experience than myself.

The budget is about $2000 (Australian) but this includes a monitor, OS, mouse and keyboard. He will be using it for gaming and would like to avoid upgrading it for quite a while. I would like to run most modern games well and want to avoid overclocking.

Build:
+ Show Spoiler +

Intel Core i5 4690 ($249)
link

Arctic Cooling Alpine 11 Pro Rev. 2 ($16)
link

MSI H97M-G43 Motherboard ($115)
link

G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 ($99)
link

Crucial MX100 128GB SSD ($99)
link

Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001 ($99)
link

MSI GeForce GTX 760 Gaming Edition OC 2GB ($309)
link

Samsung SH-224DB 24x DVDRW OEM ($19)
link

TP-Link TL-WDN4800 450Mbps Wireless N PCIe Adaptor ($49)
link

Corsair Carbide 400R Black Mid-Tower Case ($119)
link

Corsair CX-600 V3 Power Supply ($95)
link

ASUS VE248H 24in Widescreen LED Monitor ($189)
link

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM ($115)
link

Razer Taipan Gaming Mouse ($74)
link

Das Keyboard Professional Model S Quiet (Cherry Red) ($169)
link

Total (including some extra cables): $1,947


I'm trying to use this website as I have had good experiences with them in the past and they have similar prices to most other Australian sellers. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Damn Australian prices. The GTX 760 is an OK graphics card but I feel it's somewhat on the weak side for a gaming rig. I would prefer, for 1080p gaming, an R9 280X, since it seems to be much better priced. You get more horsepower in the R9 280X than you do in the GTX 760 for a few $ more, so it's definitely worth getting. As this is a gaming rig I wouldn't suggest skimping the GPU:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16558


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An H97 board is a bit expensive and you can save money by getting an H81 board which supports the Haswell refresh processors. I might suggest getting the ASRock H81M motherboard, which should be compatible with haswell refresh if my sources are correct:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26284&cPath=1491

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M/?cat=Specifications

http://thepcenthusiast.com/list-of-8-series-motherboards-compatible-with-intel-devils-canyon/


However apparently you're getting a wireless adapter which means that you won't have room on your motherboard for both the wireless adapter and the graphics card if you get the ASRock H81M board. So I can't really recommend you getting that motherboard. However, maybe you could skip getting the PCIE adapter and get a usb one instead. Something like this:

http://www.amazon.fr/TP-Link-TL-WN823N-Mini-Adaptateur-sans/dp/B00858DGZA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1404654403&sr=8-2&keywords=tplink wifi

That way you can save money by getting the cheaper H81 board instead of the much more expensive H97 board. I think this is what I would do, if I were you.


You don't need an aftermarket cooler since the stock cooler is more than enough to cool your CPU. You need an aftermarket heatsink when you're going to overclock and since you're not doing that, save yourself $16.


Not sure about Windows 7 over Windows 8. W8 comes with AVX and AVX2 instructions at stock, which is nice for your processor. If it's for the start menu that you're getting W7 , there are free, high quality programs that bring it back in W8 if needed (google "Shell start menu"). Imo there's little reason to get W7 over W8.


A 600W PSU is overkill for a build such as this one, you're fine with a 450W-500W PSU. The CX600 is also a shitty PSU.

A lot of the PSU listed on the retailer site seem expensive and not that great quality, I decided to go with one of these two, with a preference for the antec neo eco:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=22468

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=15319

Both are PSUs which aren't superb but are quite decent. Maybe someone else in the thread can recommend something else, for sure though these two PSU are better choices than the CX series PSUs from Corsair. Their VS series are also mediocre.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Silverstone/ST50F-ES/11.html

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=317192
maru lover forever
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 00:23:07
July 07 2014 00:18 GMT
#6796
So its been awhile since i last posted in this thread, but right now I am in a financial position to build a new pc, and was just looking to test out the waters. So here is the build I am looking at, nothing is set in stone yet. I also want to keep it under 1500.

+ Show Spoiler +
Corsair Hyro Series H60 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42392 69.99, price matched to 57.49

MSI GeForce 760GTX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46634 299.99

Asus 24x DVD-RW Drive, SATA, OEM, Black http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45542 19.99

NZXT H440 ATX Mid Tower Case, White http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51620 129.99 price matched at 117.49

Seagate 2TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36934 89.99

840 EVO Series Solid State Drive, SATA III, 2.5in, 120GB http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47586 94.99
EVGA 600B 600W Bronze Power Supply http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47882 79.99 with price match 61.24

HyperX FURY Black 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit (2x 4GB) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51495 94.44

Core™ i5-4670K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429 269.99

Z87-PRO w/ Dual DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, WiFi, BT, SLI / 3-Way CrossFireX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45852 219.99 with price match 207.49

All together comes to $1,379.33 with GST. And I dont need shipping, as I can just pick up in store.






Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 07 2014 01:39 GMT
#6797
I'd definitely wait for one of the blue poster's opinion but my initial reaction is that you should be able to get that graphics card or a rough equivalent for about 40-50 bucks cheaper. If you can shave some money off of that you might consider a 240 gb SSD instead of 120. 120 gb sounds like a lot at first but if you think about it that would only cover a portion of most people's steam library.
Power-tripping mod for Trump's stream
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 07 2014 02:01 GMT
#6798
On July 07 2014 09:18 lethal111 wrote:
So its been awhile since i last posted in this thread, but right now I am in a financial position to build a new pc, and was just looking to test out the waters. So here is the build I am looking at, nothing is set in stone yet. I also want to keep it under 1500.

+ Show Spoiler +
Corsair Hyro Series H60 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42392 69.99, price matched to 57.49

MSI GeForce 760GTX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46634 299.99

Asus 24x DVD-RW Drive, SATA, OEM, Black http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45542 19.99

NZXT H440 ATX Mid Tower Case, White http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51620 129.99 price matched at 117.49

Seagate 2TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36934 89.99

840 EVO Series Solid State Drive, SATA III, 2.5in, 120GB http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47586 94.99
EVGA 600B 600W Bronze Power Supply http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47882 79.99 with price match 61.24

HyperX FURY Black 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit (2x 4GB) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51495 94.44

Core™ i5-4670K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429 269.99

Z87-PRO w/ Dual DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, WiFi, BT, SLI / 3-Way CrossFireX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45852 219.99 with price match 207.49

All together comes to $1,379.33 with GST. And I dont need shipping, as I can just pick up in store.




NZXT H440 does not have space for an optical drive so if you want an optical drive, you'll need a different case.

Core i5 4670k can be pricematched.

$95 for 1600MHz cas10 is really bad.

A $200 motherboard is unnecessary especially when your other components are somewhat lacking in comparison. Get a ~$140ish motherboard and spend the extra money on a ~250GB SSD and possibly a better power supply / heatsink.

Noctua NH-U14S is a better choice than the Corsair H60.

GTX 760 should be around ~$260. If you want to spend $300+, I'd start considering the R9 280x or GTX 770.
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 04:44:37
July 07 2014 04:44 GMT
#6799
On July 07 2014 11:01 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 09:18 lethal111 wrote:
So its been awhile since i last posted in this thread, but right now I am in a financial position to build a new pc, and was just looking to test out the waters. So here is the build I am looking at, nothing is set in stone yet. I also want to keep it under 1500.

+ Show Spoiler +
Corsair Hyro Series H60 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42392 69.99, price matched to 57.49

MSI GeForce 760GTX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46634 299.99

Asus 24x DVD-RW Drive, SATA, OEM, Black http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45542 19.99

NZXT H440 ATX Mid Tower Case, White http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51620 129.99 price matched at 117.49

Seagate 2TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36934 89.99

840 EVO Series Solid State Drive, SATA III, 2.5in, 120GB http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47586 94.99
EVGA 600B 600W Bronze Power Supply http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47882 79.99 with price match 61.24

HyperX FURY Black 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit (2x 4GB) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51495 94.44

Core™ i5-4670K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429 269.99

Z87-PRO w/ Dual DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, WiFi, BT, SLI / 3-Way CrossFireX http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45852 219.99 with price match 207.49

All together comes to $1,379.33 with GST. And I dont need shipping, as I can just pick up in store.




NZXT H440 does not have space for an optical drive so if you want an optical drive, you'll need a different case.

Core i5 4670k can be pricematched.

$95 for 1600MHz cas10 is really bad.

A $200 motherboard is unnecessary especially when your other components are somewhat lacking in comparison. Get a ~$140ish motherboard and spend the extra money on a ~250GB SSD and possibly a better power supply / heatsink.

Noctua NH-U14S is a better choice than the Corsair H60.

GTX 760 should be around ~$260. If you want to spend $300+, I'd start considering the R9 280x or GTX 770.


So i have replaced the things you have told, other than the RAM and GFX, as i looked at most retailers and they were all about the same Canadian price. So i have replaced the mobo, the SSD and the heatsink (Noctua NH-U14S). Price matched the i5 to 244.95

+ Show Spoiler +
Gigabyte GA-Z97X Gaming 3 w/ DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, CrossFireX / SLI http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX52125 for 159.99

I picked up the 840 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 250GB for 159.99

Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 Enthusiast Case, Black http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX44356 for 94.99
$1,317.66 with GST

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 07 2014 05:00 GMT
#6800
Get these instead: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 , pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468

Get Crucial MX100 256GB for $115 instead, similar or even better performance than the Samsung 840 EVO: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX52633
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