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Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 04 2014 00:10 GMT
#6741
The monitor has an HDMI input. Unfortunately, with the monitor came up with "HDMI No signal, entering power saving mode" with the HDMI cord.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 04 2014 00:13 GMT
#6742
So plugging your monitor into the motherboard gives you a display correct? Did you forget to plug in the 6pin PCIe cable for the video card?
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 04 2014 00:14 GMT
#6743
Plugging my monitor into the motherboard does NOT give a display. The 6pin PCIe is plugged in.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 04 2014 00:16 GMT
#6744
On July 04 2014 09:14 Hyren wrote:
Plugging my monitor into the motherboard does NOT give a display. The 6pin PCIe is plugged in.

what if you take the graphics card out, plug hdmi cable into motherboard and monitor?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 04 2014 00:18 GMT
#6745
Is the 4pin ATX connector plugged into the motherboard?
Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 00:24:33
July 04 2014 00:19 GMT
#6746
I just noticed that my RAM wasn't all the way in when I was taking out the video card x_x Would that cause the problem?

edit: That seemed to fix the problem. I put the video card back in and plugged the hdmi into it and its displaying fine. Also I'm an idiot lol
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Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 04 2014 01:20 GMT
#6747
Ehh so I had it on, installed windows 8 and some drivers and then the "no signal" came back on
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 04 2014 01:24 GMT
#6748
Pull and push a little on everything, all connectors and the memory sticks and the graphics card.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
July 04 2014 01:29 GMT
#6749
On July 04 2014 08:05 Jer99 wrote:
Back again, looking to buy the parts on saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

+ Show Spoiler +
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($82.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($379.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($71.49 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1140.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


i made some changes from my last build, namely:

  • fractal design define R4 ---> corsair 300r; the fractal case went up to over 100$ and this one is much cheaper, does the case make a big difference?
  • A-Data XPG V2.0 --> A-Data XPG V1.0; again the previous' price went up, so i changed it. What's the difference between V1.0 and V2.0?
  • GTX 770 2GB superclocked --> GTX 770 2GB dual superclocked; what's the difference between superclocked and dual superclocked? just a little higher clock for the dual one? Also, the price went up from a couple of weeks ago for the superclocked, and right now the dual superclocked is only 5$ more than the superclocked so that's why i chose it. Worth the 5$ more?


Also the mother board went up from ~115$ to 141$. Is it worth it still? Can i change to a cheaper motherboard?


Can I get some feedback on this please?
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Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
July 04 2014 01:31 GMT
#6750
On July 04 2014 10:24 Ropid wrote:
Pull and push a little on everything, all connectors and the memory sticks and the graphics card.

I found the problem (I think)! The plastic around the HDMI head was jamming into the lip of the case. I carefully shaved a little plastic off the top and now it goes all the way in and the monitor connects.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 04 2014 01:52 GMT
#6751
On July 04 2014 10:29 Jer99 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 04 2014 08:05 Jer99 wrote:
Back again, looking to buy the parts on saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

+ Show Spoiler +
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($82.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($379.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($71.49 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1140.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


i made some changes from my last build, namely:

  • fractal design define R4 ---> corsair 300r; the fractal case went up to over 100$ and this one is much cheaper, does the case make a big difference?
  • A-Data XPG V2.0 --> A-Data XPG V1.0; again the previous' price went up, so i changed it. What's the difference between V1.0 and V2.0?
  • GTX 770 2GB superclocked --> GTX 770 2GB dual superclocked; what's the difference between superclocked and dual superclocked? just a little higher clock for the dual one? Also, the price went up from a couple of weeks ago for the superclocked, and right now the dual superclocked is only 5$ more than the superclocked so that's why i chose it. Worth the 5$ more?


Also the mother board went up from ~115$ to 141$. Is it worth it still? Can i change to a cheaper motherboard?


Can I get some feedback on this please?


Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $70
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window @ $105
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352037

Core i5 4670k + MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming + MSI Gaming GTX 770 Twin Frozr @ $760
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461081

G.Skill Ares 2x4GB 2133MHz @ $83
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231653

Crucial MX100 @ $85
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148819

Noctua NH-U14S @ $83
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041

Total: $1186 before mail in rebates, shipping, applicable taxes, and any other applicable fees.

Apply promo code DD10NE for 10% off total order

Total: $1067.4

Sorry if I forgot something.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
July 04 2014 02:18 GMT
#6752
On July 04 2014 10:52 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 10:29 Jer99 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 04 2014 08:05 Jer99 wrote:
Back again, looking to buy the parts on saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

+ Show Spoiler +
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($82.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($379.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($71.49 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1140.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available


i made some changes from my last build, namely:

  • fractal design define R4 ---> corsair 300r; the fractal case went up to over 100$ and this one is much cheaper, does the case make a big difference?
  • A-Data XPG V2.0 --> A-Data XPG V1.0; again the previous' price went up, so i changed it. What's the difference between V1.0 and V2.0?
  • GTX 770 2GB superclocked --> GTX 770 2GB dual superclocked; what's the difference between superclocked and dual superclocked? just a little higher clock for the dual one? Also, the price went up from a couple of weeks ago for the superclocked, and right now the dual superclocked is only 5$ more than the superclocked so that's why i chose it. Worth the 5$ more?


Also the mother board went up from ~115$ to 141$. Is it worth it still? Can i change to a cheaper motherboard?


Can I get some feedback on this please?


Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $70
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window @ $105
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352037

Core i5 4670k + MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming + MSI Gaming GTX 770 Twin Frozr @ $760
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461081

G.Skill Ares 2x4GB 2133MHz @ $83
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231653

Crucial MX100 @ $85
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148819

Noctua NH-U14S @ $83
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041

Total: $1186 before mail in rebates, shipping, applicable taxes, and any other applicable fees.

Apply promo code DD10NE for 10% off total order

Total: $1067.4

Sorry if I forgot something.


Looks great

I want to overclock too, how far should I go?
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
z0rz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States350 Posts
July 04 2014 06:57 GMT
#6753
I'm parting out some of my mining rigs to add to my gaming rig, but I'm currently using a mATX mobo so there's absolutely no room for any of this right now.

Are there any Z68/Z77 motherboards (1155 chipset) out there that can comfortably fit a tri-slot 7990, a dual-slot 280X, and a single slot PCI-E x1 soundcard? Everything seems to be designed for dual-slot cards.

Would something like this work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545

Soundcard in the top x1 slot, 7990 right below it, but I don't know if the 280X will fit in the bottom PCI-E slot with all of the headers underneath it. I mean, I know I could just put the 280X in the middle PCI-E slot, but it would block the 7990 intake and that just seems like a bad idea.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 04 2014 07:35 GMT
#6754
Your 280x would go in the second PCIe x16 slot, the third slot will be unoccupied.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 08:55:18
July 04 2014 08:07 GMT
#6755
I mean, I know I could just put the 280X in the middle PCI-E slot, but it would block the 7990 intake and that just seems like a bad idea.


Well, you only have CPU PCI-E to two of the slots, you don't really have a choice. It's x16 to first slot or x8/x8 to primary/secondary if it's the same as z87 (90% sure it is)

I want to overclock too, how far should I go?


Read this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics/0_30

~1.325vcore is a pretty normal overclock

The voltages you use determine the tax on components (vrm's, cpu, cooling system etc) way more than the clock speeds.

If you could magically go from 4ghz to 4.6ghz with no change in voltage, you'd only expect about a 15% increase in power/heat, a bit more from other effects. But with the voltages i can stabilize both on.. the actual increase can be calculated to be around ~72%..* assuming temperatures don't rise significantly (they will, which would increase power consumption further)

~ 1.32/1.08 = 1.222, *1.222 = 1.493, *1.15 (for frequency increase) = 1.72x. Maybe i'm doing some math wrong, but that's how i understood it and it seems to make sense that way.

since the clocks you can do on a given voltage are down to silicon lottery, you can't really give an "expected" OC, only volts to use, and then see what results you get. On a devil's canyon chip, it seems rare to get below 4.5ghz with that level of vcore.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Gotlander
Profile Joined June 2014
Sweden22 Posts
July 04 2014 13:02 GMT
#6756
Hey guys is it recommended to run a stress test like Prime95 after you have applied thermal paste to the CPU to attach the CPU HSF in order to get the thermal paste to spread evenly?

Or is that not required?

Also what is a good CPU stress test other than Prime95? I find that Prime95 is hard to use.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 13:58:36
July 04 2014 13:56 GMT
#6757
On July 04 2014 22:02 Gotlander wrote:
Hey guys is it recommended to run a stress test like Prime95 after you have applied thermal paste to the CPU to attach the CPU HSF in order to get the thermal paste to spread evenly?

Or is that not required?

Also what is a good CPU stress test other than Prime95? I find that Prime95 is hard to use.


It'll spread itself, a few pastes need heat cycling to perform at their best but they're not used very often

You could run this:

https://mega.co.nz/#!3tAGnAqZ!QbCz2r1fG0WjM8DgGYeExngGypaHftAzPUgTSn2kAdk

use 2x threads per core, so 8 when it asks on a quad core. That's best for Haswell, at least


----


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-337-AM

AMD's highest end die for under £100. They must have price dropped recently, because i never saw it below ~£112-113 or so before. That's some insane pricing for multi-threaded work.

Intel's cheapest unlocked quad core costs ~68% more.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Gotlander
Profile Joined June 2014
Sweden22 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 14:47:21
July 04 2014 14:46 GMT
#6758
On July 04 2014 22:56 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 22:02 Gotlander wrote:
Hey guys is it recommended to run a stress test like Prime95 after you have applied thermal paste to the CPU to attach the CPU HSF in order to get the thermal paste to spread evenly?

Or is that not required?

Also what is a good CPU stress test other than Prime95? I find that Prime95 is hard to use.


It'll spread itself, a few pastes need heat cycling to perform at their best but they're not used very often

You could run this:

https://mega.co.nz/#!3tAGnAqZ!QbCz2r1fG0WjM8DgGYeExngGypaHftAzPUgTSn2kAdk

use 2x threads per core, so 8 when it asks on a quad core. That's best for Haswell, at least


Thank you!

How about PassMark, PC Mark or 3D mark?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
July 04 2014 14:49 GMT
#6759
On July 04 2014 23:46 Gotlander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 22:56 Cyro wrote:
On July 04 2014 22:02 Gotlander wrote:
Hey guys is it recommended to run a stress test like Prime95 after you have applied thermal paste to the CPU to attach the CPU HSF in order to get the thermal paste to spread evenly?

Or is that not required?

Also what is a good CPU stress test other than Prime95? I find that Prime95 is hard to use.


It'll spread itself, a few pastes need heat cycling to perform at their best but they're not used very often

You could run this:

https://mega.co.nz/#!3tAGnAqZ!QbCz2r1fG0WjM8DgGYeExngGypaHftAzPUgTSn2kAdk

use 2x threads per core, so 8 when it asks on a quad core. That's best for Haswell, at least


Thank you!

How about PassMark, PC Mark or 3D mark?


Those are benchmarks, none particularly good for CPU. That test that i linked will give you an FPS number which can be compared, but it's designed to load CPU to 100% with x264 (video encoder used widely for editing/encoding/livestreaming)

People use stuff like Cinebench r15 and link above for CPU benchmarking
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
July 04 2014 17:31 GMT
#6760
Hey guys, I've been trying to find a good build for my needs for about a week now, but I just don't know what to buy.

I'm looking to buy a pc for streaming on twitch and editing/rendering videos for my youtube channel with decent quality and speed. I'm really a complete noob if it comes to hardware . after my research I really like to benefits of a GeForce GTX 770. My budget is about 1000 euro ( 1400 usd ). I would love to hear suggestions from you guys.

I used to overclock my system a few years back so it would be sweet if that would be possible as well.
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