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On July 04 2014 17:07 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I mean, I know I could just put the 280X in the middle PCI-E slot, but it would block the 7990 intake and that just seems like a bad idea. Well, you only have CPU PCI-E to two of the slots, you don't really have a choice. It's x16 to first slot or x8/x8 to primary/secondary if it's the same as z87 (90% sure it is) I want to overclock too, how far should I go? Read this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics/0_30~1.325vcore is a pretty normal overclock The voltages you use determine the tax on components (vrm's, cpu, cooling system etc) way more than the clock speeds. If you could magically go from 4ghz to 4.6ghz with no change in voltage, you'd only expect about a 15% increase in power/heat, a bit more from other effects. But with the voltages i can stabilize both on.. the actual increase can be calculated to be around ~72%..* assuming temperatures don't rise significantly (they will, which would increase power consumption further) ~ 1.32/1.08 = 1.222, *1.222 = 1.493, *1.15 (for frequency increase) = 1.72x. Maybe i'm doing some math wrong, but that's how i understood it and it seems to make sense that way. since the clocks you can do on a given voltage are down to silicon lottery, you can't really give an "expected" OC, only volts to use, and then see what results you get. On a devil's canyon chip, it seems rare to get below 4.5ghz with that level of vcore.
After reading this, it seems like a project i will wait a few weeks to do
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Hi guys! I've posted some pages ago and I wanted to thanks for all the help!
Everything went cool, except for some annoying coild whine noise from the video card, I've sent it back so tech support. They will take 3 days to check if they get the same noise... ...
Meanwhile, I was thinking to install my old video card in my new motherboard, is it compatible?
Old Video Card Sapphire Radeon 4830 THIS ONE
Motherboard Gigabyte Z87x HD3 THIS ONE
Thank you again TLers!!
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On June 23 2014 06:17 ChristianS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys! I'm planning to build a new rig this summer – I'm currently on a Macbook Pro as my gaming computer – and I've been researching how to select parts, but I'm hoping for some pointers. If you have a full build to recommend, or at least some tips on where I might be able to save some money, that'd be much appreciated.
What is your budget?
I'm hoping to build a rig for around $1200-1300. I could spend more, but I'm not quite sure what exactly I'd be paying for at that point – the difference between High and Ultra graphics isn't that important to me; the difference between running a game and running a game while streaming, on the other hand, matters quite a bit.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I'll be buying a monitor and keyboard for this computer – I wasn't necessarily counting that in the $1200-1300 figure above.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I'd like to have the option to play most AAA titles, but ultra high graphics aren't super important. I don't play a lot of first person shooters – I play a lot of Starcraft, Kerbal Space Program, and a few other things that will run on my computer now, although I might step up to more strenuous games if I had a system that could handle it. At least 30 FPS on something like Bioshock Infinite is something I'd shoot for, I think.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'd like to be able to stream. Obviously that means recording, encoding, etc. while running a game at the same time.
Do you intend to overclock?
Unless someone made a powerful argument for why I should, no.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Same as overclock, hadn't intended to unless someone gave me a very good reason why I should.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes – like the monitor, wasn't necessarily counting the cost of an operating system in the $1200-1300 figure. I haven't researched buying OS's but my understanding is I can get some discounts because I'm a student?
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes – monitor and keyboard, and no, that's not part of the $1200-1300. I have a mouse, and I suppose I'd want to get a mic and maybe camera for streaming later, but for now that should be fine.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nothing comes to mind, nope.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States of America.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None to speak of.
Thanks for your help!
So I posted in here a while back, and didn't really get a full answer, but I thought it might be easier to just ask: would the "budget professional" build on the first page suit my purposes? Is that build still up-to-date, or would I be better served to shop around a bit for those parts?
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Both Starcraft II and Kerbal Space Program are CPU intensive so if those are your primary games then yes, it's probably a good idea to overclock and it's probably a good idea to get a Core i5 4670k / 4690k over the FX6300. The sample builds are still relatively up to date, just a few minor changes (eg. replace Z87 with Z97, Samsung 840 EVO with a Crucial MX100, etc).
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On July 05 2014 07:01 skyR wrote:
Both Starcraft II and Kerbal Space Program are CPU intensive so if those are your primary games then yes, it's probably a good idea to overclock and it's probably a good idea to get a Core i5 4670k / 4690k over the FX6300. The sample builds are still relatively up to date, just a few minor changes (eg. replace Z87 with Z97, Samsung 840 EVO with a Crucial MX100, etc).
More or less the same thing I asked - and my build (with assistance) turned out well.
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Maybe this is kind've a dumb question but..should the computer I built have built-in audio?
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Was finalizing this build and upgraded the SSD from 128 to 256gb
And the promo code is no longer available, so i'm looking at
$1,240.44
I think i can make this cheaper through pcpartpicker
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On July 05 2014 07:51 Hyren wrote:
Maybe this is kind've a dumb question but..should the computer I built have built-in audio?
All motherboards have built-in audio, yes.
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Promo code is advertised to expire on July 6th so if you want, you can try calling and bitching at them.
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On July 05 2014 08:32 skyR wrote:
Promo code is advertised to expire on July 6th so if you want, you can try calling and bitching at them.
Is the cooling unit good enough to get a good overclock? I want to definitely overclock at some point, after i get things set up.
Also should i overclock as soon as possible, or does it not matter?
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On July 05 2014 07:01 skyR wrote:
Both Starcraft II and Kerbal Space Program are CPU intensive so if those are your primary games then yes, it's probably a good idea to overclock and it's probably a good idea to get a Core i5 4670k / 4690k over the FX6300. The sample builds are still relatively up to date, just a few minor changes (eg. replace Z87 with Z97, Samsung 840 EVO with a Crucial MX100, etc).
Alright, this was my first pass at putting something together on pcpartpicker.com. If it's not too much trouble, any immediate ideas for how it could be improved (similar performance for less money, or better performance for the same money)? And if it is too much trouble, any tips on how I could go about improving this myself besides those listed in the OP?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Symbiosis/saved/#savedbuild_1244514
Edit: And in practical terms, what is the improvement, if any, over something like this?
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On July 05 2014 09:44 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:32 skyR wrote:
Promo code is advertised to expire on July 6th so if you want, you can try calling and bitching at them. Is the cooling unit good enough to get a good overclock? I want to definitely overclock at some point, after i get things set up. Also should i overclock as soon as possible, or does it not matter?
This air cooler can be very close to the best possible cooling you can reasonably have. The all-in-one liquid cooling kits can beat it by using very fast and noisy fans, but you could theoretically also use similar fans on the air cooler. An air cooler needs fresh air supplied through the case fans to be able to compete well, but you're saving a good amount of money compared to a strong AIO cooler's price so you can count that saved money towards case fan upgrades when comparing price/performance.
Make sure that there's no general issues with the PC with regards to program crashes before you start overclocking. I have a feeling it might be smart to start as early as possible with the overclocking. If your graphics card has manufacturing issues for example, will die when overclocked, you'll want to find that out now, not at some point in the future when you'll have to battle with the manufacturer's RMA process instead of being able to simply send it back to the shop where you bought it.
You might want to see what's up with the pricing for i5-4690k and Z97 boards. This newer CPU should be easier to keep cool so might be very interesting for you compared to the i5-4670k. There's something about Z97 boards using crappier parts for their voltage regulation area, but I don't know what to suggest with regards to that, which Z97 board is similar to solid Z87 boards.
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On July 05 2014 09:48 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 07:01 skyR wrote:
Both Starcraft II and Kerbal Space Program are CPU intensive so if those are your primary games then yes, it's probably a good idea to overclock and it's probably a good idea to get a Core i5 4670k / 4690k over the FX6300. The sample builds are still relatively up to date, just a few minor changes (eg. replace Z87 with Z97, Samsung 840 EVO with a Crucial MX100, etc). Alright, this was my first pass at putting something together on pcpartpicker.com. If it's not too much trouble, any immediate ideas for how it could be improved (similar performance for less money, or better performance for the same money)? And if it is too much trouble, any tips on how I could go about improving this myself besides those listed in the OP? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Symbiosis/saved/#savedbuild_1244514Edit: And in practical terms, what is the improvement, if any, over something like this?
HP prebuilt has shitty warranty, shitty PSU, shitty case, and no GPU (so don't expect to play anything on it besides some graphically light games on low settings). Also it's not overclockable.
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On July 05 2014 10:33 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 09:48 ChristianS wrote:On July 05 2014 07:01 skyR wrote:
Both Starcraft II and Kerbal Space Program are CPU intensive so if those are your primary games then yes, it's probably a good idea to overclock and it's probably a good idea to get a Core i5 4670k / 4690k over the FX6300. The sample builds are still relatively up to date, just a few minor changes (eg. replace Z87 with Z97, Samsung 840 EVO with a Crucial MX100, etc). Alright, this was my first pass at putting something together on pcpartpicker.com. If it's not too much trouble, any immediate ideas for how it could be improved (similar performance for less money, or better performance for the same money)? And if it is too much trouble, any tips on how I could go about improving this myself besides those listed in the OP? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Symbiosis/saved/#savedbuild_1244514Edit: And in practical terms, what is the improvement, if any, over something like this? HP prebuilt has shitty warranty, shitty PSU, shitty case, and no GPU (so don't expect to play anything on it besides some graphically light games on low settings). Also it's not overclockable.
Ah, stupid question I suppose. I'm asking a lot of questions because I just don't know what I'm looking at here; how would I look at that and know it has no GPU? Isn't that the Intel HD Graphics 4600 listed there? Or are grahics card and GPU not the same thing?
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HD4600 is the integrated GPU found on the CPU, it is infinitely much worse than an R7 260x.
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On July 05 2014 10:17 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 09:44 Jer99 wrote:On July 05 2014 08:32 skyR wrote:
Promo code is advertised to expire on July 6th so if you want, you can try calling and bitching at them. Is the cooling unit good enough to get a good overclock? I want to definitely overclock at some point, after i get things set up. Also should i overclock as soon as possible, or does it not matter? This air cooler can be very close to the best possible cooling you can reasonably have. The all-in-one liquid cooling kits can beat it by using very fast and noisy fans, but you could theoretically also use similar fans on the air cooler. An air cooler needs fresh air supplied through the case fans to be able to compete well, but you're saving a good amount of money compared to a strong AIO cooler's price so you can count that saved money towards case fan upgrades when comparing price/performance. Make sure that there's no general issues with the PC with regards to program crashes before you start overclocking. I have a feeling it might be smart to start as early as possible with the overclocking. If your graphics card has manufacturing issues for example, will die when overclocked, you'll want to find that out now, not at some point in the future when you'll have to battle with the manufacturer's RMA process instead of being able to simply send it back to the shop where you bought it. You might want to see what's up with the pricing for i5-4690k and Z97 boards. This newer CPU should be easier to keep cool so might be very interesting for you compared to the i5-4670k. There's something about Z97 boards using crappier parts for their voltage regulation area, but I don't know what to suggest with regards to that, which Z97 board is similar to solid Z87 boards.
is the 4690k and z97 honestly worth looking into? I kind of just want to buy the PC asap now, is it better than the 4670k z87?
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Thanks for the input:
Here's the tentative build, will 99.99% order tomorrow
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Now some questions about overclocking
As i understand it, slowly bring up the multiplier, and when it BSODs on a stress test, slowly bring up the Vcore until it's stable, and try not to go over 1.45V/90 Celsius??
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Hello, made a new build that I'd like for you to review. My budget is $800 and this goes a bit over. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GMMPgs
This PC will be used for gaming, streaming, and office/schoolwork. What settings will it run LoL, SC2, and BF3 at? Was going to go with FX 6300 with a good gpu but as you stated LoL, and SC2 work better with intel CPUs. Did not go with the 4130 but instead with the 4690k as I plan to OC in the future. Also, are the parts compatible?
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