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These aren't enterprise SSDs. Endurance doesn't matter.
My Crucial c300 128gb fell out of warranty because i've used up a certain amount of writes, seen a few people like that. If it's write amplification problem, then there's no way to fix it and i'm not the only one out of warranty for this. Being able to use an SSD, dump video or encode on it all of the time and not worry would be great.
Right now i have a hard drive with a bunch of reallocated sectors and warnings that has failed to be detected for several days before then randomly started working again - and an SSD that has 0% estimated lifetime and will at some point with potentially no warning, stop functioning. I don't actually have anywhere at all to put any kind of sensitive data/programs (like windows authenticator for wildstar) because any or all of my storage could just stop working one day and that kinda sucks, having to replace both after only some years. That storage cost ~£220, so like 350 USD, with most of the cost on the SSD.
Having seen that, yea, i'd pay £20 extra on a 250GB ssd for one that has a 10 year warranty and a few fucktillian terrabytes of write endurance. Hard drives die, that happens, but SSD shouldn't be replaced every few years. It's annoying to have to worry about this stuff at the very least.
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Hi, I am looking to upgrade my video card and I am wondering if my current PSU will be enough to satiate the beast that is the GTX 780. I've been getting different answers depending on where I look.
My computer specs are as follows:
PSU - 600W Cooler Master (4 years old) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039
Processor - Intel Core i7-3770K
Video Card - Nvidia GTX 780
Motherboard - acpi x64-based pc
Storage - 1 optical drive 2 SSD's and 4 HDD's.
RAM - 16GB 4 sticks of 4GB
The manufacturer website recommends a minimum total of 600W power supply. My PSU is pretty old and it just hits the 600W minimum requirement. Think I could get away with not replacing it?
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On July 03 2014 09:16 Hawk2 wrote:Hi, I am looking to upgrade my video card and I am wondering if my current PSU will be enough to satiate the beast that is the GTX 780. I've been getting different answers depending on where I look. My computer specs are as follows: PSU - 600W Cooler Master (4 years old) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039Processor - Intel Core i7-3770K Video Card - Nvidia GTX 780 Motherboard - acpi x64-based pc Storage - 1 optical drive 2 SSD's and 4 HDD's. RAM - 16GB 4 sticks of 4GB The manufacturer website recommends a minimum total of 600W power supply. My PSU is pretty old and it just hits the 600W minimum requirement. Think I could get away with not replacing it?
You don't need 600 watts (the GPU is power limited at ~250w unless you manually raise that) but your PSU is bad. It can only provide 432w of 12v and falls far short of even 80+ bronze rating, so it's probably good poor quality components too.
A good quality 450w unit would be far better, but you might want a 550 to give you lots of room for power, overclocking etc on the rest of your system while allowing you to use 780 or swap out to whatever highest end GPU's are available, because nvidia/amd won't really leave the 250w-300w area for their high end GPU's. Nvidia clock their gk110 GPU's pretty low and power limit them to 250w for that reason, even though they lose significant performance for it (compared to somebody unlocking those limits and pushing the GPU harder, but using way more power)
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So I've got everything in my new pc minus my video card and disk drive that are coming tomorrow. I have everything installed as best as I can tell except nothing happens when I try to turn it on. I referred to the manuals and watched a lot of videos when installing my components, I don't even know where to begin looking for what is wrong.
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Did you turn on the power supply? The button should be in the 1 position.
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Yessir. I'm going back and making sure every thing is plugged in firmly, double checking the motherboard manual, etc and everything seems to be where it needs to.
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Did you mount your motherboard on standoffs?
If you double and triple checked that the 24pin is plugged in fully into the motherboard and that the power switch header is plugged into the correct place then you may have a DOA power supply. You can test the power supply with the paperclip trick.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 09:21 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 09:16 Hawk2 wrote:Hi, I am looking to upgrade my video card and I am wondering if my current PSU will be enough to satiate the beast that is the GTX 780. I've been getting different answers depending on where I look. My computer specs are as follows: PSU - 600W Cooler Master (4 years old) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039Processor - Intel Core i7-3770K Video Card - Nvidia GTX 780 Motherboard - acpi x64-based pc Storage - 1 optical drive 2 SSD's and 4 HDD's. RAM - 16GB 4 sticks of 4GB The manufacturer website recommends a minimum total of 600W power supply. My PSU is pretty old and it just hits the 600W minimum requirement. Think I could get away with not replacing it? You don't need 600 watts (the GPU is power limited at ~250w unless you manually raise that) but your PSU is bad. It can only provide 432w of 12v and falls far short of even 80+ bronze rating, so it's probably good poor quality components too. A good quality 450w unit would be far better, but you might want a 550 to give you lots of room for power, overclocking etc on the rest of your system while allowing you to use 780 or swap out to whatever highest end GPU's are available, because nvidia/amd won't really leave the 250w-300w area for their high end GPU's. Nvidia clock their gk110 GPU's pretty low and power limit them to 250w for that reason, even though they lose significant performance for it (compared to somebody unlocking those limits and pushing the GPU harder, but using way more power)
Thanks! Do you have any specific recommendations for a PSU given my setup? I would prefer to pay more for a better PSU that I would most likely not have to replace any time soon.
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paper clip test confirmed power supply is alive and kickin. Yes the motherboard is on standoffs.
edit: Plugged everything back in and now it works! No clue what wasn't workin before but I'll take it 
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Second one 100%. Don't get a system of that caliber without a 780 though. If money is an object, you could probably work something out to get a few cheaper components, 4690k instead of 4790k and have a significantly better all around gaming system
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On July 03 2014 09:47 Hawk2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 09:21 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 09:16 Hawk2 wrote:Hi, I am looking to upgrade my video card and I am wondering if my current PSU will be enough to satiate the beast that is the GTX 780. I've been getting different answers depending on where I look. My computer specs are as follows: PSU - 600W Cooler Master (4 years old) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171039Processor - Intel Core i7-3770K Video Card - Nvidia GTX 780 Motherboard - acpi x64-based pc Storage - 1 optical drive 2 SSD's and 4 HDD's. RAM - 16GB 4 sticks of 4GB The manufacturer website recommends a minimum total of 600W power supply. My PSU is pretty old and it just hits the 600W minimum requirement. Think I could get away with not replacing it? You don't need 600 watts (the GPU is power limited at ~250w unless you manually raise that) but your PSU is bad. It can only provide 432w of 12v and falls far short of even 80+ bronze rating, so it's probably good poor quality components too. A good quality 450w unit would be far better, but you might want a 550 to give you lots of room for power, overclocking etc on the rest of your system while allowing you to use 780 or swap out to whatever highest end GPU's are available, because nvidia/amd won't really leave the 250w-300w area for their high end GPU's. Nvidia clock their gk110 GPU's pretty low and power limit them to 250w for that reason, even though they lose significant performance for it (compared to somebody unlocking those limits and pushing the GPU harder, but using way more power) Thanks! Do you have any specific recommendations for a PSU given my setup? I would prefer to pay more for a better PSU that I would most likely not have to replace any time soon.
Not really for US, sorry
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Capstone 750M is like $90 ($70 after mail in rebate) if you want to deal with an MIR.
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On July 03 2014 10:09 Cyro wrote:Second one 100%. Don't get a system of that caliber without a 780 though. If money is an object, you could probably work something out to get a few cheaper components, 4690k instead of 4790k and have a significantly better all around gaming system
Thanks for the reply!
Money isn't really an issue, however I don't have an unlimited budget. Getting the 780 makes sense now, but at the same time if I get the 770 now I could probably upgrade to the 780Ti in a number of months, or something better. In simple person terms, why is getting the 780 so important do you think? Surely the 770 will run any games on ultra that are currently out?
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On July 03 2014 11:42 Westy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 10:09 Cyro wrote:Second one 100%. Don't get a system of that caliber without a 780 though. If money is an object, you could probably work something out to get a few cheaper components, 4690k instead of 4790k and have a significantly better all around gaming system Thanks for the reply! Money isn't really an issue, however I don't have an unlimited budget. Getting the 780 makes sense now, but at the same time if I get the 770 now I could probably upgrade to the 780Ti in a number of months, or something better. In simple person terms, why is getting the 780 so important do you think? Surely the 770 will run any games on ultra that are currently out?
random unorganized text + Show Spoiler +It's just better to use a single card, and in 2-3 years time, a 770 or sli 770 2GB will be awkward.
If you wanted to grab gtx870 or whatever from next gen replacing 780ti (or a used 780ti)*, you could even get something cheaper than 770 right now and replace it late this year or early next year - don't expect them to hold their value, i used one for a year and it's already worth under half of what i paid for it, even with no new GPU's. When you made that upgrade, from a 770 it would be like a 1.8x+ performance gap, + removing the limits of 2gb VRAM on 256 bit memory bus
As a whole, that second system with i7, 16GB of RAM, Superflower 750 gold PSU, h100i - it's just pretty aggressive on "small improvement" stuff
750w is "too much", that's the "oh hey we want to sli 780's" level of PSU - a 770 will only use about 180 watts or so, maybe 200 with max OC. Total system power, you can run one with that CPU on a 450w unit. 780 power consumption is only ~50-70w higher, comfortable on a 550w unit with any OC on the two parts that you'd want to run day to day.
overall i just don't like the price tag for a 770 system with Haswell quad core CPU. It seems over the top, so if you're paying for a lot of luxuries, might as well go all the way. a 770 will be a weakness in a "high end" system very soon, being only like half as fast as whatever replaces the 780ti (hint: it won't be nearly as good as the best next gen GPU) and being only gk104, with the 2GB of VRAM + 256 bit bus. It's essentially upper midrange now and it's soon going to be in a much worse place.
An i5 4690k would be no such weakness, In four years if something is 30-40% better then i think everyone in the CPU would would be happy at this rate.
I was curious of the price point so i put up quick list;
i5 4690k + true spirit 140 power - £202
780 windforce or DCUII - £359
z97x-gaming 5* - £112
8gb of FAST memory - £70
840 evo 120gb + 1tb HDD - £95
Superflower golden green hx 550 - £50
Pretty expensive case - £100
*Similar motherboard, better VRM design
^that comes to £988. The build on the site has a gtx770, and comes to £1342. Neither has >8gb of RAM or >120GB ssd etc, but the OCUK build is ~36% more expensive with a significantly worse graphics card (more important than say 760 vs 770 - the 770 is the highest end gk104 card, while 780 is where the step happens to gk110 so it's probably the most significant gap in the whole lineup)
That's why i mention it, just seems like a bit aggressive on the pricing. They do have some quality parts there, but much of the price increases are unnecessary (750w psu, maybe i7+h100i), and there's a definite build+overclock premium on it. An i7 with a h100i won't overclock any further than an i5 with a true spirit 140 power, and if you wanted to absolutely max out overclocks you'd choose slightly different parts anyway, those are just for getting the 96% or whatever out of your CPU for 24/7 usage. If hyperthreading matters to you - does it matter enough to pay ~£140 for?
Do you really want a £125 case, if so, do you really want THAT one? etc. I would pay £125 for a case (and i have done) but a large part of that was personal selection. It feels weird to pay that much for one that comes with a prebuilt that you have no say in.
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Hello
Long story short: After 5 years my cheap-ass motherboard broke. And so, I am looking to replace the MoBo and the processor.
What I want:
LGA1150 support,
Single PCI-E 2.0 x16,
2x1600mhz RAM slots(preferably only 2, its ok if theres more)
Mostly USB 2.0 sockets (i have no use for 3.0)
An i3 processor to go along with it (most reliable?)
What I don't want:
Overclocking capability
Too many slots
Basically, I am looking for a cheap-ass components by todays standards I presume.
Any help is much appreciated!
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On July 03 2014 18:41 julius33 wrote:
Hello
Long story short: After 5 years my cheap-ass motherboard broke. And so, I am looking to replace the MoBo and the processor.
What I want:
LGA1150 support,
Single PCI-E 2.0 x16,
2x1600mhz RAM slots(preferably only 2, its ok if theres more)
Mostly USB 2.0 sockets (i have no use for 3.0)
An i3 processor to go along with it (most reliable?)
What I don't want:
Overclocking capability
Too many slots
Basically, I am looking for a cheap-ass components by todays standards I presume.
Any help is much appreciated!
Pretty much any lga1150 board (or even all of them?) fits all of your requirements. PCI-E 3.0 x8 is faster than 2.0x16, but i think all of the boards have a single 3.0 x16. 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0 if there's not enough 2.0's. All of the boards have 2 or 4 RAM slots.
You could go as low as h81 with a pentium g3220 - the pentium is dual core like i3, but lacking AVX instructions and hyperthreading, so it's slower in some loads, but it's still a dual core Haswell processor. The cheapest i3 costs twice as much as that here - but it's only up to ~30-40% faster in typical loads, really - in some CPU bound loads, as little as ~15%. If you just want something to run things and don't put particularly heavy demand on CPU, you might want to save money there
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On July 03 2014 19:16 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 18:41 julius33 wrote:
Hello
Long story short: After 5 years my cheap-ass motherboard broke. And so, I am looking to replace the MoBo and the processor.
What I want:
LGA1150 support,
Single PCI-E 2.0 x16,
2x1600mhz RAM slots(preferably only 2, its ok if theres more)
Mostly USB 2.0 sockets (i have no use for 3.0)
An i3 processor to go along with it (most reliable?)
What I don't want:
Overclocking capability
Too many slots
Basically, I am looking for a cheap-ass components by todays standards I presume.
Any help is much appreciated!
Pretty much any lga1150 board (or even all of them?) fits all of your requirements. PCI-E 3.0 x8 is faster than 2.0x16, but i think all of the boards have a single 3.0 x16. 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0 if there's not enough 2.0's. All of the boards have 2 or 4 RAM slots. You could go as low as h81 with a pentium g3220 - the pentium is dual core like i3, but lacking AVX instructions and hyperthreading, so it's slower in some loads, but it's still a dual core Haswell processor. The cheapest i3 costs twice as much as that here - but it's only up to ~30-40% faster in typical loads, really - in some CPU bound loads, as little as ~15%. If you just want something to run things and don't put particularly heavy demand on CPU, you might want to save money there
Thank you for the response!
As you said, after doing some research about the parts in my region, i came up with the same mobo, Gigabyte GA-H81-D3 to be precise.
As for the processor, i have been running AMD Phenom II x2 550 (3.1 gHz), so basically I am looking to upgrade it to Intel without going over 100 euros too much. Bang for buck, is what I am looking for.
Any suggestions?
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On July 03 2014 19:29 julius33 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:16 Cyro wrote:On July 03 2014 18:41 julius33 wrote:
Hello
Long story short: After 5 years my cheap-ass motherboard broke. And so, I am looking to replace the MoBo and the processor.
What I want:
LGA1150 support,
Single PCI-E 2.0 x16,
2x1600mhz RAM slots(preferably only 2, its ok if theres more)
Mostly USB 2.0 sockets (i have no use for 3.0)
An i3 processor to go along with it (most reliable?)
What I don't want:
Overclocking capability
Too many slots
Basically, I am looking for a cheap-ass components by todays standards I presume.
Any help is much appreciated!
Pretty much any lga1150 board (or even all of them?) fits all of your requirements. PCI-E 3.0 x8 is faster than 2.0x16, but i think all of the boards have a single 3.0 x16. 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0 if there's not enough 2.0's. All of the boards have 2 or 4 RAM slots. You could go as low as h81 with a pentium g3220 - the pentium is dual core like i3, but lacking AVX instructions and hyperthreading, so it's slower in some loads, but it's still a dual core Haswell processor. The cheapest i3 costs twice as much as that here - but it's only up to ~30-40% faster in typical loads, really - in some CPU bound loads, as little as ~15%. If you just want something to run things and don't put particularly heavy demand on CPU, you might want to save money there Thank you for the response! As you said, after doing some research about the parts in my region, i came up with the same mobo, Gigabyte GA-H81-D3 to be precise. As for the processor, i have been running AMD Phenom II x2 550 (3.1 gHz), so basically I am looking to upgrade it to Intel without going over 100 euros too much. Bang for buck, is what I am looking for. Any suggestions?
Pentium @3ghz would be a big upgrade, like 1.5x. It's still a dual core though - 3.4ghz i3 would perform better in loads that can utilize 4 cores well (it has hyperthreading, so 4 threads on 2 cores, as well as more cache, bit higher clock speeds) and i5 would be a way bigger upgrade because it's quad core, but obviously costs way more.
h81 + pentium g3220 is maybe your thing if you want 100 euros for cpu + mobo. What do you want the CPU upgrade for, though?
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On July 03 2014 19:36 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:29 julius33 wrote:On July 03 2014 19:16 Cyro wrote:On July 03 2014 18:41 julius33 wrote:
Hello
Long story short: After 5 years my cheap-ass motherboard broke. And so, I am looking to replace the MoBo and the processor.
What I want:
LGA1150 support,
Single PCI-E 2.0 x16,
2x1600mhz RAM slots(preferably only 2, its ok if theres more)
Mostly USB 2.0 sockets (i have no use for 3.0)
An i3 processor to go along with it (most reliable?)
What I don't want:
Overclocking capability
Too many slots
Basically, I am looking for a cheap-ass components by todays standards I presume.
Any help is much appreciated!
Pretty much any lga1150 board (or even all of them?) fits all of your requirements. PCI-E 3.0 x8 is faster than 2.0x16, but i think all of the boards have a single 3.0 x16. 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0 if there's not enough 2.0's. All of the boards have 2 or 4 RAM slots. You could go as low as h81 with a pentium g3220 - the pentium is dual core like i3, but lacking AVX instructions and hyperthreading, so it's slower in some loads, but it's still a dual core Haswell processor. The cheapest i3 costs twice as much as that here - but it's only up to ~30-40% faster in typical loads, really - in some CPU bound loads, as little as ~15%. If you just want something to run things and don't put particularly heavy demand on CPU, you might want to save money there Thank you for the response! As you said, after doing some research about the parts in my region, i came up with the same mobo, Gigabyte GA-H81-D3 to be precise. As for the processor, i have been running AMD Phenom II x2 550 (3.1 gHz), so basically I am looking to upgrade it to Intel without going over 100 euros too much. Bang for buck, is what I am looking for. Any suggestions? Pentium @3ghz would be a big upgrade, like 1.5x. It's still a dual core though - 3.4ghz i3 would perform better in loads that can utilize 4 cores well (it has hyperthreading, so 4 threads on 2 cores, as well as more cache, bit higher clock speeds) and i5 would be a way bigger upgrade because it's quad core, but obviously costs way more. h81 + pentium g3220 is maybe your thing if you want 100 euros for cpu + mobo. What do you want the CPU upgrade for, though?
I am looking to upgrade the CPU, since it is a bottleneck in some games. I don't want to spend money on a quad-core, since i am only playing games. I have yet to see one that utilizes 4 cores efficiently to justify spending on it.
Also, i am ok with spending ~100 euro for a CPU alone
Also, i am thinking of replacing my PSU before it explodes. Considering that my GPU peaks at 110 Watts, in what power range should i be looking for one? (considering I am not overclocking and running dual core CPU with that)
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