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What is your budget?
900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1024x768 its a poopy 17" one. 8(
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League/Dota/wildstar shooters random games. Anything new that interests me. I just want around the budget so I don't have to upgrade.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet movies, basic things
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
not really
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
nope
I'm completely clueless on any of this, so I need some input on what to get and prices, so I don't get cheated out of my money. @__@
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Intel Core i5-4570 Haswell 3.2GHz LGA 1150 - $199.99
SAPPHIRE DUAL-X 100365L Radeon R9 270 2GB 256-Bit - $159.99
You'll definitely want an i5 if you're not targeting MOBA settings for your needs. If you want something powerful that's cheap go for a AMD gpu. I recently just installed this Sapphire DUAL-X Radeon R9 270 and it's working great for medium to max settings for non-3D games.
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On June 07 2014 19:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Guys, got a build and wanna know ur opinion if everything fits fine:
Mboard: MSI H81M-E33 Socket 1150
CPU: Intel Core i5 4670 3.4GHz (6mb, Haswell, 84W, S1150) Box (not interested in overclocking tho, otherwise would be K version)
GPU: GF GTX650 1Gb DDR5 ASUS (or maybe Ti version?)
RAM: DDR3 2x4GB 1866MHz Team Xtreem Dark, 11-11-11-28 (although 1600 and 1866 is not that big difference, even in prices)
PSU: Aercool Strike 500W (80+ Bronze)
Harddrive not needed
650ti is way more powerful (like >1.5x) vs 650. I'd get at least a 650ti but shoot for 750ti - if you can't afford it, maybe you're out of price bracket to be using an i5 4670.
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On June 07 2014 20:59 MysticNinja wrote:@Cyro Thanks for the quick response! That's interesting what you said about the i5 and the i7. I definitely would like to save $220 if it meant the same or better performance for games. I'm really glad you said something about the new processors coming out soon! I definitely will wait and grab one of those. I had no idea new i5 and i7's were right around the corner. I am a little confused as to what to look for in a motherboard that will "max out CPU." Obviously I need one with a Z97 chipset (for the new processors) but what should I be looking for in a motherboard to help with overclocking? I was unaware that the smaller liquid coolers were louder. I looked up the NH-D15 and it pretty much sold me on how quiet it claims to be. Seems much easier to deal with than a radiator and all that too. With the money I save from the processor switch I could easily through a bit more on the NH-D15. Thanks! As to the case would something like this be better for airflow?
Corsair Air 540 ATX Desktop Case
Is that because of the ATX Desktop design? You were saying that the NXZT Phantom would be a poor choice to try and keep the graphics cards cool right? Could anyone possibly recommend a good case to help with keeping the temperatures down on the GFX cards? Maybe I just need more after market fans? Thanks so much for the help! I'll go over and check out overclock.net as well. I'll tell em Cyro sent me lol! I appreciate it so much!
I am a little confused as to what to look for in a motherboard that will "max out CPU." Obviously I need one with a Z97 chipset (for the new processors) but what should I be looking for in a motherboard to help with overclocking?
They basically just need a decent VRM setup (and i prefer gigabyte and asus heavily due to bios options, sensors in OS etc - don't buy asrock) - so the bottom end z87 boards are often not ideal for running say 1.3-1.4vcore, but the pricing tier around $135? where the z87x-d3h is, is good. Beyond that, there's basically nothing to gain aside from stuff like better onboard audio and other features like that - the z87x-d3h has a digital 8-phase VRM and heatsinks and will stay cool enough with CPU-killing levels of voltage. Buying a $200-400 z87 motherboard in the hopes that it will OC a CPU higher is silly - it would be smarter to buy three CPU's and sell the two weaker overclockers, for example.
You have to watch out a bit for z97's, as i guess because most people buying z97 will do it for broadwell, VRM quality was cut pretty much across the board, though some other features are better and prices are generally lower, you have to get a higher "tier" board if you wanted to run say a 4690k @1.4vcore. The 5'th generation core CPU's are supposed to use 0.7x as much power as Haswell, so that means that Haswell will use ~1.44x as much (0.7*1.44 = 1.0) power as the boards are "built" for, so you need a decent one by z97 standards.
http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png
^Very good list. Based on pretty basic but solid knowledge and quick price checking, on UK prices i'd probably be looking at the Gigabyte z97x-gaming 5.
I didn't mean in particular that the NZXT Phantom case was bad - i didn't look at it or know it in particular - just wanted to emphasize the importance of airflow. The Air 540 is a great case, but i don't know how it would perform with two high end GPU's, because the GPU's are quite far down and there's little fan airflow behind the GPU's, or able to get under them etc. I don't know if many cases are better at this, but some might have more airflow around the GPU's in particular. I know with the air540 you can just fit like an sp120 at full fan speed on the bottom front slot, maybe even mod two fans on the bottom but i'm not sure if you can do that with two GPU's in. There is no side panel fan, and there is not much room under the GPU's as the case is not very tall and doesn't have, for example, a bottom mounted PSU.
I would consider blower-style coolers, so like reference 780ti's:
![[image loading]](http://www.maxit.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/NVIDIA-GTX-780-Ti_reference.jpg)
^But with a single GPU setup, it would probably run louder than the "open air" fan coolers. With two GPU's and two of those coolers, it would probably be somewhat noisy, but work - they scale better with multiple cards than the other type of cooler. Whatever you got, you'd have to be careful with airflow when you got two cards, and the sounds of the GPU's would dominate everything else in terms of noise whenever they were at 100% load.
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What is your budget?
~$800-900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2, LOL, MMO's etc.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just going to be purely used for gaming
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Probably something HDMI compatible, so i can run my monitor and tv on
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
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On June 07 2014 06:13 SilentchiLL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +After about a decade of service my old Lady is dying due to hardware problems and since none of the parts in her (except maybe the two 4GB ramsticks) would be worth keeping, it's time for me to finally stop procrastinating with getting a new computer and simply getting an entirely new one, including a case. Sadly, I don't actually know anything about building a computer, but I'll give my best and try to read up on everything I can in the OP, I've been saving up for years (don't laugh when you see the budget, my only job was helping out old people in my village over the years and I only ever got what money they offered me, since I didn't do it for the money and now I'm a poor university student) so it feels like a relief to be finally able to spend it. What is your budget?1700-1800 What is your monitor's native resolution?1280 x 1024 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?ALL THE GAMES. Seriously though, I want a computer I can keep for a long time while still playing newer games without having to upgrade it again and again, I'm tired of only playing very old games, every game on the lowest resolution and indie games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Uni work I suppose, watching streams, browsing the net, the usual. Do you intend to overclock?Preferably not, since even after reading up on it (in the OP and the net) I'd be afraid to fuck up, if the component comes with included overclocking software I wouldn't mind overclocking it a bit though. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?I wouldn't mind it I suppose, but it simply doesn't seem necessary to me, I'm so used to even playing old titles on the lowest settings that even medium settings on a game from 2010 would look amazing to me, but then again I'm also building this one to last for a longer amount of time without needing to be upgraded, though even then it doesn't seem necessary (if I'm not overlooking something obvious that is). Do you need an operating system?I currently have windows 7 and my computer might be dying, but only when it gets put under pressure, so I should be able to back up everything I have on an external hard drive. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Got a keyboard, got a headset, got a mouse and I own a monitor as well (I know it's small for today's standards and if there's a cheap one and I have money left over I could spend it on a new one, but it's by no means a necessessity) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.I don't, I've been out of the hardware stuff for years, so I trust the opinion of the more knowledgable guys here entirely, though since I don't really intend to do much overclocking, so I according to the OP I should get an Intel processor (I think). For the other parts brands seem to mostly be relevant for low-end parts I think, so I guess I'm fairly open in that regard. What country will you be buying your parts in?Germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I don't, the thread gives me 3 http://www.hardwareversand.de/home.jsphttp://www.mindfactory.de/http://www.alternate.de/html/index.htmlAnd for simplicity's sake I'd like to use amazon, but I'm pretty sure that that would be a stupid idea (and since Alternate has an e-sports team I'd of course preferably support them, but since I was actually never a fan I don't mind buying from others if it's a better idea). Is there anything out of the ordinary I need to know due to some of the stuff I've written? Can I just take one of the example builds and modify it? If so, which one should I go with? The "typical gamer" one, sounds good, but it could be a bit older already and may need upgrading 2 years in already, which I'd like to avoid. It's been nearly 3 hours since I started writing this post, I read through the OP and I still feel like I missed something.
1700-1800 euros? You can pretty much get whatever you want. If your computer is that old, the RAM you have is not going to be DDR3 and thus not compatible.
However, spending more money now, especially on the CPU, doesn't mean you won't have to upgrade later. At any point you can only buy the latest technology that is developed. After a certain point you end up just getting configurations that aren't particularly better for games. On graphics cards, sure, you could spend a lot, but the price/performance is much worse after a certain point, and over 150 euros on a video card to run a 1280 x 1024 monitor is kind of laughable.
You could extend the CPU's usefulness by a marginal amount if you're willing to spend extra (100 euros or so) and overclock it.
You probably just want a new monitor with the build. What you get has some impact on what you'd want for the build. Which is more important to you: better fast-motion clarity in games or better image quality and consistency overall?
On June 07 2014 06:46 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2014 09:30 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hi all, I'm looking at building a hybrid medium-performance gaming machine and high-performance scientific computing machine. I plan to dual boot windows8 and ubuntu.
I'll use windows8 to play games like league of legends/starcraft 2 on high graphics settings with optimal FPS, and random future games (2+ years) on medium-ish graphics settings with optimal FPS.
I'll use ubuntu to work on side projects that will require some computationally intensive experiments that directly benefit from additional cores, RAM, and quick disk I/O. So I need a high-end processor, 16gb of RAM, and given the dual boot (and data storage for experiments) a nice SSD with comfortable capacity.
I don't plan on overclocking or doing SLI/Crossfire, and I don't plan on streaming.
Ideally, I want the case to be micro ATX because I may have to ship it around a few times/carry it onto a plane here and there.
I plan to buy a couple decent monitors for a dual setup as well to replace my current crappy ones.
Here is my current build (missing power supply)
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 $299.99
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 $49.98
RAM: Crucial 16GB $139.99
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 260X $109.99 (after $20 rebate)
Storage: Crucial MX100 CT512MX100SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $244
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) $36.99
Wireless Network Adapter: Edimax EW-7612PIn $25.98
Total: $886.92
Some questions:
1) Is the graphics card I chose up for this? The one above seems like a good deal.
2) Do I even need the graphics card? I.e., what kind of performance can I expect from the processor-integrated graphics card?
3) I'm having trouble choosing a good power supply. I'd like one that
a) supports PCE-e x16 without an adapter, but I can't seem to figure out what power supply specs support this (does 2x 6+2 support that?)
b) fits into a micro-ATX case
c) is least 400W (makes sense for my build or no?)
d) is relatively quiet (but this is not essential)
4) Do I need additional cooling?
5) Any other thoughts on the build? Is everything compatible, etc? Okay, thanks a bunch for the helpful responses. Modified build: Storage: Crucial MX100 CT512MX100SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $244 CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor $294.99 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $94.99 Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory $164.99 Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card $139.99 Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case $36.99 Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply $77.98 Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter $38.57 Total: $1092.50 Notes on changes: 1) Changed mobo per advice for three reasons: a) 9 series for processor compatibility, b) 4 RAM slots to leave open an option to upgrade to 32gb RAM later; and c) RAID striping capability as a potential future upgrade 2) Changed RAM to DDR3-2400 b/c it's not much more and the new mobo supports it (my experiments tend to read large amounts of data from disk into memory and then loop over it, so I think this will make a big difference here even if it doesn't impact gaming much) 3) Changed video card to a comparable (slightly better?) Nvidia chipset for two reasons: a) linux compatibility, and b) I might utitlize the delicious cuda capability for experiments (haven't done this yet, but might try in the future) 4) Added in 550W power supply. More than I need now, but given the fancier mobo, who knows: maybe I'll try CrossFire in the future 5) Changed wireless adapter. Was harder than I thought to find a decent one that would be reliable and compatible with Windows 8 Everything look good here? I'm slightly concerned about the motherboard since I can't find a review on it. Hopefully I'm not getting myself into trouble with that.
All the motherboard manufacturers left are pretty big (well, particularly or at least Asus, Gigabyte, AsRock, MSI) and most models should be fine. It should be all okay.
On June 07 2014 22:22 D u o wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1024x768 its a poopy 17" one. 8(
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League/Dota/wildstar shooters random games. Anything new that interests me. I just want around the budget so I don't have to upgrade.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet movies, basic things
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
not really
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
nope
I'm completely clueless on any of this, so I need some input on what to get and prices, so I don't get cheated out of my money. @__@
You sure you don't want a monitor? You can fit it in a 900 CAD build with some adjustments.
On June 08 2014 02:20 LiLSighKoh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
~$800-900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2, LOL, MMO's etc.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just going to be purely used for gaming
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Probably something HDMI compatible, so i can run my monitor and tv on
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
I'll get to this later, unless somebody already does.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2014 22:22 D u o wrote:
What is your budget?
900
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1024x768 its a poopy 17" one. 8(
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League/Dota/wildstar shooters random games. Anything new that interests me. I just want around the budget so I don't have to upgrade.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet movies, basic things
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
not really
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
nope
I'm completely clueless on any of this, so I need some input on what to get and prices, so I don't get cheated out of my money. @__@
You might think about reusing case, power supply, DVD-drive, other re-usable components if you have them from the old computer. Note also that Canadian stores have pricematching. If you bring them the price (URL of product at the store, there should be an automated version over the web) of a competitor, they'll match it. Anyway, I put together a basic budget build that should do well for you. I didn't quite fit a monitor, but I make a suggestion at the end anyway. Saving up a bit more to get a better monitor would make a big difference. Note also I link a few items from both memory express & ncix.
i5-4460 ($200)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-core-i5-i5-4460-haswell-48-96203-1141.htm
Basic Intel Quad-core
MSI B85 motherboard ($55)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45786
If you're not overclocking, the key thing you want in a mobo is a low price
EDIT: make sure to read what SkyR notes below. Unfortunately, H97 motherboards are a lot more expensive than B85 motherboards.
Club 3D R7 265 Video Card ($150)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/club-3d-radeon-r7-265-83-94996-1141.htm
This card is roughly equivalent to an Nvidia 750 Ti, but in this case the 265 is cheaper. A bit better is the 270, worse is the 260x. You could probably fit a bit better card in your budget, but there's no point with the monitor you currently have. Even as it is, I'm anticipating you getting a bigger monitor (1920x1080) with this selection.
Mushkin 2x4gb RAM ($80)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/mushkin-stealth-ddr3-1600-udimm-2x4gb-1c-83696-1141.htm
It's RAM. 8gb is the standard amount.
BitFenix Comrade Case ($45)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/bitfenix-comrade-black-atx-mid-c0-92219-1382.htm
Case is one case where you can pretty much suit your fancy, this is just a cheap case I find acceptable.
EVGA 500w PSU (50)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/evga-500w-80-plus-certified-5f-92643-1382.htm
It's a PSU I've been told is not crap.
Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD ($85)
http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-barracuda-2tb-7200rpm-sata3-ab-66010-1141.htm
You could save $20 and get a smaller HDD here, but I like plenty of media storage room.
DVD drive ($15)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX24714
Operating system. Choose either Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit or Windows 8.1 64-bit. Either should be $110 at NCIX. I prefer Windows 7, and not 8.1, but I believe I'm in the minority there.
Total: $790, before tax & shipping (if you don't pick stuff up at stores).
If you save up a bit more, I highly recommend getting a monitor to go with this quality of computer, probably this BenQ 24-inch:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39259
(Note other peripherals have not been included. Speakers - though the monitor above has speakers -, mouse, keyboard, wireless dongle, etc.)
P.S. I'm a bit rusty on this forum, so if Myrmidon or Cyro takes issue with any of my recommendations, they probably have a good point.
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Haswell-R aka the core i5 4460 requires a 9 series board or a 8 series board with an updated BIOS. I would not count on 8 series board shipping with an updated BIOS at this point in time.
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The site iam buying from says the guarantee dissapears if i overclock.
Anyone have experience with this?
If i overclock "smooth", any way to proof i have overclocked in case it breaks? Lets say it breaks from something else than the overclocking. Can they proof this?
Another question:
If i buy Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz. Am i forced to overclock?
Or can i choose to not do it even with the "k" suffix?
Another question on that:
Is there a big difference in performance or w.e you call it between a few Ghz?
I dont know, i think i prefer to not overclock, would it mean i lose alot of value in not doing it?
Intel Core i7 4790 3,6 GHz, 8MB
Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz , 8MB
So its a 0,4 ghz difference. I am assuming the "k" card is not overclocked from start so that means it will become a more difference if i overclokc that card.
Is thera a big performance increase on the "k" suffix. It cost like what $15-25 more. Would it be "stupid" not to buy it?
I know overclocking takes more heat and stuff but it shouldnt be a problem in the first place, right? Atleast with a "good" system. So lets just count that out.
Btw, one of these cards will i buy when they are released. I guess i will wait for reviews first tho. Or idk, maybe i just buy it and gamble.
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On June 08 2014 04:43 Foxxan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The site iam buying from says the guarantee dissapears if i overclock.
Anyone have experience with this?
If i overclock "smooth", any way to proof i have overclocked in case it breaks? Lets say it breaks from something else than the overclocking. Can they proof this?
Another question:
If i buy Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz. Am i forced to overclock?
Or can i choose to not do it even with the "k" suffix?
Another question on that:
Is there a big difference in performance or w.e you call it between a few Ghz?
I dont know, i think i prefer to not overclock, would it mean i lose alot of value in not doing it?
Intel Core i7 4790 3,6 GHz, 8MB
Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz , 8MB
So its a 0,4 ghz difference. I am assuming the "k" card is not overclocked from start so that means it will become a more difference if i overclokc that card.
Is thera a big performance increase on the "k" suffix. It cost like what $15-25 more. Would it be "stupid" not to buy it?
I know overclocking takes more heat and stuff but it shouldnt be a problem in the first place, right? So lets just count that out.
Btw, this will be the card iam gonna buy when it is released. I guess i will wait for reviews first tho. Or idk, maybe i just buy it and gamble.
Overclocking voids warranty, yes. But unless there is physical damage or you told them, there is no way to verify that you overclocked.
You are not forced to do anything with a K suffix processor but why waste the money on one and on a Z series board if you are not going to overclock?
For CPU intensive tasks, especially time-sensitive ones, there is generally a noticeable difference from a 500MHz increase.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2014 06:13 SilentchiLL wrote:After about a decade of service my old Lady is dying due to hardware problems and since none of the parts in her (except maybe the two 4GB ramsticks) would be worth keeping, it's time for me to finally stop procrastinating with getting a new computer and simply getting an entirely new one, including a case. Sadly, I don't actually know anything about building a computer, but I'll give my best and try to read up on everything I can in the OP, I've been saving up for years (don't laugh when you see the budget, my only job was helping out old people in my village over the years and I only ever got what money they offered me, since I didn't do it for the money and now I'm a poor university student) so it feels like a relief to be finally able to spend it. What is your budget?1700-1800 What is your monitor's native resolution?1280 x 1024 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?ALL THE GAMES. Seriously though, I want a computer I can keep for a long time while still playing newer games without having to upgrade it again and again, I'm tired of only playing very old games, every game on the lowest resolution and indie games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Uni work I suppose, watching streams, browsing the net, the usual. Do you intend to overclock?Preferably not, since even after reading up on it (in the OP and the net) I'd be afraid to fuck up, if the component comes with included overclocking software I wouldn't mind overclocking it a bit though. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?I wouldn't mind it I suppose, but it simply doesn't seem necessary to me, I'm so used to even playing old titles on the lowest settings that even medium settings on a game from 2010 would look amazing to me, but then again I'm also building this one to last for a longer amount of time without needing to be upgraded, though even then it doesn't seem necessary (if I'm not overlooking something obvious that is). Do you need an operating system?I currently have windows 7 and my computer might be dying, but only when it gets put under pressure, so I should be able to back up everything I have on an external hard drive. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Got a keyboard, got a headset, got a mouse and I own a monitor as well (I know it's small for today's standards and if there's a cheap one and I have money left over I could spend it on a new one, but it's by no means a necessessity) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.I don't, I've been out of the hardware stuff for years, so I trust the opinion of the more knowledgable guys here entirely, though since I don't really intend to do much overclocking, so I according to the OP I should get an Intel processor (I think). For the other parts brands seem to mostly be relevant for low-end parts I think, so I guess I'm fairly open in that regard. What country will you be buying your parts in?Germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.I don't, the thread gives me 3 http://www.hardwareversand.de/home.jsphttp://www.mindfactory.de/http://www.alternate.de/html/index.htmlAnd for simplicity's sake I'd like to use amazon, but I'm pretty sure that that would be a stupid idea (and since Alternate has an e-sports team I'd of course preferably support them, but since I was actually never a fan I don't mind buying from others if it's a better idea). Is there anything out of the ordinary I need to know due to some of the stuff I've written? Can I just take one of the example builds and modify it? If so, which one should I go with? The "typical gamer" one, sounds good, but it could be a bit older already and may need upgrading 2 years in already, which I'd like to avoid. It's been nearly 3 hours since I started writing this post, I read through the OP and I still feel like I missed something.
Myrmidon is right that a lot depends on what monitor you decide to get. I put in a big monitor & fairly expensive video card here, as a bit of a test build. Certainly it could be better customized. For instance, I only looked at alternate, so it may save you some money to shop around for the same components. As for overclocking... you could get a motherboard that does a crappy overclock on its own. But frankly, if you don't want to mess with it, just save $100 and don't overclock. Yeah, you might be upgrading 4 years down the line instead of 5 years down the line without overclocking, but it's really not that big a deal.
The monitor I chose was a 27" 2560x1440 BenQ monitor. It should be like many other IPS monitors (good color, viewing angles, other features) with the common downside of not being the absolute fastest in terms of response time while gaming. Unless you're a very competitive gamer, that should be fine. If you play multiplayer FPS all the time, then as Myrmidon noted, you probably want something like a 24" 1920x1080 144hz screen or something like that. Me, I prefer big & pretty.
Monitor (490 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/BenQ/BL2710PT-LED-Monitor/html/product/1101681?
Then we get a strong non-overclocking processor, a motherboard for it, 8gb of RAM as standard, and the video card. The r9 280x is a high-end card at about the borderline before prices shoot up for relatively small increases in performance.
i5-4690 CPU (200 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/Core(TM)-i5-4690-CPU/html/product/1128198?
MSI H97 mobo (78)
http://www.alternate.de/MSI/H97-PC-Mate-H97-RG-SA-Mainboard/html/product/1138733?
RAM (60)
http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM-8-GB-DDR3-1600-Kit-Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008044?
Powercolor r9 280x (230)
http://www.alternate.de/PowerColor/R9-280X-OC-TurboDuo-Grafikkarte/html/product/1123740?
Pretty cheap price for a 280x. Powercolors are great when working well, it seems quality control is a bit variable in terms of how loud the card is though.
Now the nuts & bolts that don't have as much to do with raw performance. A nice "quiet" case in the Fractal Design R4 (note you can choose between black, titanium grey, and white), a decent power supply, a DVD-burner, and two storage drives. The 256gb SSD should be your main drive where you install your OS, most programs (anything you want to load really fast). The 2TB HDD is your storage drive, especially for media files.
Fractal Design r4 (90)
http://www.alternate.de/Fractal-Design/Define-R4-Titanium-Gehäuse/html/product/1010810?
Be Quiet Pure Power L8 500w (62)
http://www.alternate.de/be-quiet!/Pure-Power-L8-500W-Netzteil/html/product/1085986?
DVD burner (18)
http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/SH-224DB-BEBE-DVD-Brenner/html/product/1082138?
Crucial MX100 256gb (90)
http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/MX100-2-5-SSD-256-GB/html/product/1142839?
Toshiba 2TB HDD (68)
http://www.alternate.de/Toshiba/DT01ACA200-2-TB-Festplatte/html/product/1026605?
Total: 1386 Euro before taxes & shipping.
You could cut down on this - or increase it, by raising or lowering the quality of various luxuries. But hopefully this is a good starting point. Though again, note that the monitor I selected may or may not be the best for you.
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If I remember correctly, I remember seeing a video a while back where Linus said that Intel has some kind of overclocking insurance that you can buy directly from them
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On June 08 2014 04:43 Foxxan wrote:
The site iam buying from says the guarantee dissapears if i overclock.
Anyone have experience with this?
If i overclock "smooth", any way to proof i have overclocked in case it breaks? Lets say it breaks from something else than the overclocking. Can they proof this?
Another question:
If i buy Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz. Am i forced to overclock?
Or can i choose to not do it even with the "k" suffix?
Another question on that:
Is there a big difference in performance or w.e you call it between a few Ghz?
I dont know, i think i prefer to not overclock, would it mean i lose alot of value in not doing it?
Intel Core i7 4790 3,6 GHz, 8MB
Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz , 8MB
So its a 0,4 ghz difference. I am assuming the "k" card is not overclocked from start so that means it will become a more difference if i overclokc that card.
Is thera a big performance increase on the "k" suffix. It cost like what $15-25 more. Would it be "stupid" not to buy it?
I know overclocking takes more heat and stuff but it shouldnt be a problem in the first place, right? Atleast with a "good" system. So lets just count that out.
Btw, one of these cards will i buy when they are released. I guess i will wait for reviews first tho. Or idk, maybe i just buy it and gamble.
We already know everything about how they perform.
i7 4770k, 4790 and 4790k are all the same thing, just at different base clock speeds. The 4790 is essentially "overclocked" 100mhz higher than the 4770k. The 4790k is "overclocked" 400mhz above that at stock. They use the same voltages, run the same etc. There's no real difference, under the hood.
You technically void warranty for overclocking, but there's no way to tell, and CPU's are probably the least frequent parts to break if you have any sense.
The 4790 will run at 3.6 - 3.8ghz with 4-core load and the 4790k will run at 4.0 - 4.2ghz with 4-core load. Those higher stock clocks eat into "overclocking" headroom, but hey, it takes a more powerful motherboard and better cooling to run a 4790k at "stock", just like OC-ing a 4770k. There is no difference between a 4770k overclocked to 4.0 - 4.4ghz, and a 4790k, aside from the 4790k being ~10c cooler and running on h97(?).
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Alright. Thanks.
I guess i go with the overclock then. But i will see, a few more weeks to decide.
The Z boards can run 3200 ram. The other boards cant?
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On June 08 2014 00:49 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2014 19:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Guys, got a build and wanna know ur opinion if everything fits fine:
Mboard: MSI H81M-E33 Socket 1150
CPU: Intel Core i5 4670 3.4GHz (6mb, Haswell, 84W, S1150) Box (not interested in overclocking tho, otherwise would be K version)
GPU: GF GTX650 1Gb DDR5 ASUS (or maybe Ti version?)
RAM: DDR3 2x4GB 1866MHz Team Xtreem Dark, 11-11-11-28 (although 1600 and 1866 is not that big difference, even in prices)
PSU: Aercool Strike 500W (80+ Bronze)
Harddrive not needed
650ti is way more powerful (like >1.5x) vs 650. I'd get at least a 650ti but shoot for 750ti - if you can't afford it, maybe you're out of price bracket to be using an i5 4670.
650ti is acceptable, the price difference is not that big. About 750ti, it actually means am gonna need more powerful PSU, which means I'll need like extra about 150$ more for PSU and GPU.
Is anything except GPU should be fixed?
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750 Ti uses less power than a 650 Ti.
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Just saw your post cyro. Thank you.
Maybe i have misunderstood then. The 4790k is not grandcanyon/broadwell? Its not the new generation?
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On June 08 2014 05:09 skyR wrote:
750 Ti uses less power than a 650 Ti.
650ti requires 150W if am not mistaken, so even if it gonna be 650ti it means extra PSU above overall 550W, if it gonna be 750ti than 500W will be enough?
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On June 08 2014 05:13 Foxxan wrote:
Just saw your post cyro. Thank you.
Maybe i have misunderstood then. The 4790k is not grandcanyon/broadwell? Its not the new generation?
4790k is devil's canyon but it is essentially the same thing as a 4770k if you are not an enthusiast. Broadwell does not come out until the end of this year.
On June 08 2014 05:13 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:650ti requires 150W if am not mistaken, so even if it gonna be 650ti it means extra PSU above overall 550W, if it gonna be 750ti than 500W will be enough?
Both cards use around 100w or less during load. Both can be run on a 400w power supply or even lower depending on the rest of your system.
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Thanks Fred, I'll probably cut out the storage drive and the burner since I'd never use the latter and I lived comfortably wth 150gb for years.
I'd love to say mote, but as I mentioned in meay last post,I'll have to wait a day or two until I can get on a computer and since the connection on my cell is horrible I'll have to wait until then to be able to say more, if anybody has other tips or opinions I'd gladly read them as well.
Once again, thanks Fred, I'm a complete noob in this regard.
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