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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 12:12:04
June 05 2014 12:09 GMT
#6161
WOAH

wat

i can overclock with this B85 board of mine??

yeah but i only have a 4 pin cpu header. that won't do it for an overclock. hmm maybe for a pentium? it would be enough? i'd have to buy a new CPU though

fwack
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 12:51:49
June 05 2014 12:28 GMT
#6162
On June 05 2014 21:09 Incognoto wrote:
WOAH

wat

i can overclock with this B85 board of mine??

yeah but i only have a 4 pin cpu header. that won't do it for an overclock. hmm maybe for a pentium? it would be enough? i'd have to buy a new CPU though

fwack

Here's a picture of my Z77 board: http://uk.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/2/4325/6543_big.jpg

That's the second version of it.

The first one looked like this: http://uk.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/2/4144/5646_big.jpg

So it didn't have that 8pin power connector originally. It might not be terribly important, especially with that two-core CPU being less power hungry?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 12:42:45
June 05 2014 12:40 GMT
#6163
that's twice the same pic you've sent

still though, thanks for the reassurance

i might just buy a pentium to overclock it. so those are the extra features that make B85 premium over H81. see my post previous page on how I didn't get it.
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 05 2014 12:52 GMT
#6164
On June 05 2014 21:40 Incognoto wrote:
that's twice the same pic you've sent

Oops! I fixed the post.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 05 2014 13:09 GMT
#6165
Hehe. Hmm those blue things are VRM heatsinks though, unless I'm mistaken, I don't have that on this little B85. Though, just by using common sense, I think you could get a reasonable overclock on a B85. It's only two cores which require overclocking, so less power is needed so less heat produced. I guess.. As long as you don't try to overclock anything more than a Pentium I think it should be all right, but real reviews need to released.
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 05 2014 14:03 GMT
#6166
On June 05 2014 22:09 Incognoto wrote:
Hehe. Hmm those blue things are VRM heatsinks though, unless I'm mistaken, I don't have that on this little B85. Though, just by using common sense, I think you could get a reasonable overclock on a B85. It's only two cores which require overclocking, so less power is needed so less heat produced. I guess.. As long as you don't try to overclock anything more than a Pentium I think it should be all right, but real reviews need to released.

Yep, that's a heat-sink. Despite that weird 4pin CPU power connector used on the original design, the board's VRM isn't bad at all, instead seems super good. I put 1.365 V into my CPU, and the VRM temperature slowly works its way up to 60 C or so when stressing, but not really more than that. Meanwhile, the temperature limit in the BIOS is set to 135 C by default, so that's pretty reassuring.

So if they originally decided to use a 4pin connector for a strong board like this, that particular design decision might also be totally fine on your B85 for the Pentium?

There are these for the heat-sink issue: http://www.enzotechnology.com/mos-c1.htm

Those are a bit expensive. There might be something similar out of aluminium for much less.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 05 2014 14:07 GMT
#6167
I'd have to break out the solder to do that. Which doesn't turn me off in the slightest! :p

Not sure where the VRMs are though.

[image loading]
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 14:21:17
June 05 2014 14:20 GMT
#6168
That looks pretty crappy. :D The things that get very hot are those tiny flat squares, and that's what the copper heat-sinks would be for, one for each chip.

Here's what they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET

I'd be afraid that there's simply not enough of those. You could maybe try to touch them now with your current CPU and see if they are hot and can hurt you? The cooler is perhaps in the way?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 05 2014 14:37 GMT
#6169
You mean these right here? I'm running a stress test atm to check; they're warm but not burning (I know my 7970 can burn sometimes).

[image loading]
maru lover forever
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 16:44:32
June 05 2014 16:43 GMT
#6170
OK, so my computer turns on, but I'm getting this screen upon startup. I was under the assumption that it was supposed to boot straight to the BIOS (which is what my motherboard manual said). It's asking me to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device".

Here's a picture of the screen I get.
http://i.imgur.com/4TQxHxF.jpg

The manual says that I should see a Logo screen containing the words GIGABYTE etc. and then the BIOS interface. Is something wrong with the CPU or the motherboard?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 05 2014 17:38 GMT
#6171
On June 06 2014 01:43 Headshot wrote:
OK, so my computer turns on, but I'm getting this screen upon startup. I was under the assumption that it was supposed to boot straight to the BIOS (which is what my motherboard manual said). It's asking me to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device".

Here's a picture of the screen I get.
http://i.imgur.com/4TQxHxF.jpg

The manual says that I should see a Logo screen containing the words GIGABYTE etc. and then the BIOS interface. Is something wrong with the CPU or the motherboard?


Nah, that's normal. You have to repeatedly press DEL during the boot process to enter BIOS, might be a different key like F10 or F12 for your board but it's usually DEL on most boards.
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 17:57:33
June 05 2014 17:55 GMT
#6172
On June 06 2014 02:38 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 01:43 Headshot wrote:
OK, so my computer turns on, but I'm getting this screen upon startup. I was under the assumption that it was supposed to boot straight to the BIOS (which is what my motherboard manual said). It's asking me to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device".

Here's a picture of the screen I get.
http://i.imgur.com/4TQxHxF.jpg

The manual says that I should see a Logo screen containing the words GIGABYTE etc. and then the BIOS interface. Is something wrong with the CPU or the motherboard?


Nah, that's normal. You have to repeatedly press DEL during the boot process to enter BIOS, might be a different key like F10 or F12 for your board but it's usually DEL on most boards.

Holy shit, thank you. It's working! :D

And just a last quick question. What's a comfortable temperature for the CPU to be at? It says that mine is sitting around 54 C.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 05 2014 17:59 GMT
#6173
54C is a comfortable temperature to be at in BIOS. Idle on the desktop will likely be somewhere in the 30-40C range.
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
June 05 2014 18:53 GMT
#6174
Gotcha. Just need to buy the OS now and I'm good to go.
-
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
June 05 2014 21:10 GMT
#6175
On June 06 2014 02:55 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 02:38 skyR wrote:
On June 06 2014 01:43 Headshot wrote:
OK, so my computer turns on, but I'm getting this screen upon startup. I was under the assumption that it was supposed to boot straight to the BIOS (which is what my motherboard manual said). It's asking me to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device".

Here's a picture of the screen I get.
http://i.imgur.com/4TQxHxF.jpg

The manual says that I should see a Logo screen containing the words GIGABYTE etc. and then the BIOS interface. Is something wrong with the CPU or the motherboard?


Nah, that's normal. You have to repeatedly press DEL during the boot process to enter BIOS, might be a different key like F10 or F12 for your board but it's usually DEL on most boards.

Holy shit, thank you. It's working! :D

And just a last quick question. What's a comfortable temperature for the CPU to be at? It says that mine is sitting around 54 C.


54c is kinda hot for bios

Haswell with all power states (manually enabled c-states, EIST, as well as balanced power plan in windows) consumes very little power so it idles low, at 800mhz and low voltage on stock cooler i'd expect temps in high 20's to low 30's with 20c room and "ok" cooling, but i don't really know the stock cooler.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 05 2014 21:25 GMT
#6176
54c is not hot for BIOS, I have never seen an Intel CPU below 45c in BIOS since the first generation core series. If you were at 20c in BIOS, you'd be at 10c in desktop... which is not a very common sight.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
June 05 2014 21:41 GMT
#6177
On June 06 2014 06:25 skyR wrote:
54c is not hot for BIOS, I have never seen an Intel CPU below 45c in BIOS since the first generation core series. If you were at 20c in BIOS, you'd be at 10c in desktop... which is not a very common sight.


Pretty sure i'm 20c cooler than him in bios
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
June 05 2014 22:40 GMT
#6178
Well if it makes a difference, my computer was sitting on a carpet that had to be suffocating the PSU's fan at the time, but I'm normally going to be sitting it on a hard surface to prevent that.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 02:21:48
June 06 2014 00:25 GMT
#6179
Devil's Canyon seems about 10c hotter than Delidded 4670k/4770k's. There's no indication so far of overclock potential being any different, Haswell is around 4.5@1.3vcore load, average, and this seems about the same. Seeing some chips doing 4.8@1.4(load) but that's not abnormal.

The temp gap is maybe worth half a delid. Nothing else significant seems different(?)

^That's pretty much exactly what i expected and said. A temp drop of only like 3-5c would be small and not really worth making a big deal over, yet getting solder/delid temps without using solder/delid seemed unlikely to me. OC notably higher at a given voltage, was never guaranteed, just a lot of people hoped for it. Doesn't really seem the case at all, same silicon same stepping same clocking etc, just at 70c instead of 80c.

I was going to check my bios temps as well as try 4.7 voltages a bit more long term, but i can't actually get screen display before windows starts to load, if i hit delete before then, the screen that bios usually comes up on just sits there, on like it's recieving a signal, with backlight on but not displaying anything. I'm gonna try to fix that now~

Fixed it, messed around for ages and i had to reset cmos. My bios temp was 31c, after a few mins in OS my min is 26c (~20c room)

^but that was stock voltage in the bios on a silver arrow, and the OS is in power states, though with 1.395vcore@load set.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
June 06 2014 04:51 GMT
#6180
Hey guys, I've had my build for about two weeks now and most things are running smoothly. However, I seem to have GPU-related issues.

HD7950 3GB, i5 4570, AsRock H87 Pro4, Corsair 8GB 1600, Capstone 450

When playing LoL, sometimes I'll freeze and the screen will turn black for a second; usually not annoying but it can make or break some games. Sometimes, the screen will turn black and the game will crash. I usually see 100% CPU usage in task manager when this happens so it may not be entirely my GPU's fault.

In order to fixed this, I went into CCC and downclocked from the factory OC of 925 Mhz down to 850. However, my brother started crashing in Witcher 2. I've run a few benchmarks such as Valley and I never seem to have issues there, with temps never going above 65C-70c.

As of now, I've reset to factory OC of 925 Mhz using CCC. I also have Sapphire's TriXX but unless things get worse, I'm gonna leave things as they are. Any help as to what I should do will be appreciated!
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