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On June 06 2014 13:51 RiceAgainst wrote:
Hey guys, I've had my build for about two weeks now and most things are running smoothly. However, I seem to have GPU-related issues.
HD7950 3GB, i5 4570, AsRock H87 Pro4, Corsair 8GB 1600, Capstone 450
When playing LoL, sometimes I'll freeze and the screen will turn black for a second; usually not annoying but it can make or break some games. Sometimes, the screen will turn black and the game will crash. I usually see 100% CPU usage in task manager when this happens so it may not be entirely my GPU's fault.
In order to fixed this, I went into CCC and downclocked from the factory OC of 925 Mhz down to 850. However, my brother started crashing in Witcher 2. I've run a few benchmarks such as Valley and I never seem to have issues there, with temps never going above 65C-70c.
As of now, I've reset to factory OC of 925 Mhz using CCC. I also have Sapphire's TriXX but unless things get worse, I'm gonna leave things as they are. Any help as to what I should do will be appreciated!
Check a few different GPU driver versions
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firebolt, if you're still looking for a screen then the dell ultrasharp u2412m is highly recommended but 210 on amazon (idk if its still one of the best but it was last year)
you might want 120hz refresh rated howeever which it does not have afaik. ive never seen 120hz refresh rate but next time i get a screen ill definitely go for that
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
He's bought already, actually should be delivered right about now
he just wanted cheap.
Here, the 144hz monitors cost £275, and the one he got was like £83.
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On June 06 2014 06:10 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 02:55 Headshot wrote:On June 06 2014 02:38 skyR wrote:On June 06 2014 01:43 Headshot wrote:OK, so my computer turns on, but I'm getting this screen upon startup. I was under the assumption that it was supposed to boot straight to the BIOS (which is what my motherboard manual said). It's asking me to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device". Here's a picture of the screen I get. http://i.imgur.com/4TQxHxF.jpgThe manual says that I should see a Logo screen containing the words GIGABYTE etc. and then the BIOS interface. Is something wrong with the CPU or the motherboard? Nah, that's normal. You have to repeatedly press DEL during the boot process to enter BIOS, might be a different key like F10 or F12 for your board but it's usually DEL on most boards. Holy shit, thank you. It's working! :D And just a last quick question. What's a comfortable temperature for the CPU to be at? It says that mine is sitting around 54 C. 54c is kinda hot for bios Haswell with all power states (manually enabled c-states, EIST, as well as balanced power plan in windows) consumes very little power so it idles low, at 800mhz and low voltage on stock cooler i'd expect temps in high 20's to low 30's with 20c room and "ok" cooling, but i don't really know the stock cooler.
I was under the impression that it never idles at all when in the BIOS. It's perhaps programmed like a crappy DOS program back in the day, and the CPU sits in an endless loop and looks for keyboard presses.
The MHz always staying at max in the BIOS might be proof for that. The C1 state is idle. C1E enabled should cause the CPU to reduce clocks by itself when in C1, so max clocks means it's never idle? The C3, C6, C7 states only happen after first going into C1.
If you look in Windows, the CPU is really never at 100% load, but it might be when inside the BIOS, and that's quite the task for the stock cooler.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
I was under the impression that it never idles at all when in the BIOS. It's perhaps programmed like a crappy DOS program back in the day, and the CPU sits in an endless loop and looks for keyboard presses.
Well, at stock, i was getting 31c in the bios. If i put the chip under a video encoder load, i get like 50 - and if i run avx2 linpack, i get like 70. The load isn't that intense in the bios, but the voltages -are- full, and not lowered for low power states etc. If you have 1.4vcore set, it'll be way hotter in bios than someone with 1.0 vcore set, even though they'll both idle at the same temperature in windows with c6/c7/etc on.
That bios temp for me was like 11c over ambient - but actually in OS, with power states, it dropped significantly lower than that. We're talking like.. 20c room = 31c in bios, 24c minimum in OS with power states, igpu disabled etc, clean system no load
Not saying stock cooler should be 30c bios temp in a 20c room, but 54 is somewhat alarming for me to see. There will be a number next to "vcore", which ranges from below 1.0 to slightly above 1.2, depending on the chip and assigned VID. That indicates a significant change in power usage/temps (like 1.4x) and mine is 1.08 in bios.
^You really need to see load temps under x264, in OS when stuff is installed, to know if something is quite badly wrong.
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OK if I'm sitting at around 54 in BIOS what should I hope to see at desktop, and what would be high enough to cause alarm? Getting scared now.
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54C is fine in general. Maybe the fan speed control is just relaxed? If it's new, maybe the thermal paste hasn't really set? See above 80C under load consistently (or any throttling), and I'd be worried, but it really depends.
What's the computer? CPU? Cooler?
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Intel i5 4690 with the stock fan. Case came with two built in fans as well that are both working properly. It was sitting on a pretty thick carpet when I had it turned on, so would that affect the temp at all? I should be getting my copy of Windows 7 tomorrow, so I'll be able to install it then.
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That would affect your power supply temperature unless you are using Silverstone or another case with bottom intakes.
54c in BIOS is totally normal, quit worrying.
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So I'm fully set up and everything is running fine. The one problem I'm having right now is that my microphone seems to be picking up my output, which is annoying everyone on TeamSpeak. I am using a headset with no speakers plugged in. I have disabled all playback and recording devices except for my Headphones and Microphone. I can see that Windows thinks my mic is picking up noise even when I have it muted. I do not have a separate sound card or anything like that.
Any ideas?
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United States7481 Posts
is it a USB headset, or are you plugged into the audio jacks?
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Lalalaland34498 Posts
Audio jacks.
edit: After fiddling around with random settings for the last 1.5 hours I seem to have fixed it somehow. Oh well, thanks anyway.
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After about a decade of service my old Lady is dying due to hardware problems and since none of the parts in her (except maybe the two 4GB ramsticks) would be worth keeping, it's time for me to finally stop procrastinating with getting a new computer and simply getting an entirely new one, including a case.
Sadly, I don't actually know anything about building a computer, but I'll give my best and try to read up on everything I can in the OP, I've been saving up for years (don't laugh when you see the budget, my only job was helping out old people in my village over the years and I only ever got what money they offered me, since I didn't do it for the money and now I'm a poor university student) so it feels like a relief to be finally able to spend it.
What is your budget?
1700-1800
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1280 x 1024
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
ALL THE GAMES.
Seriously though, I want a computer I can keep for a long time while still playing newer games without having to upgrade it again and again, I'm tired of only playing very old games, every game on the lowest resolution and indie games.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Uni work I suppose, watching streams, browsing the net, the usual.
Do you intend to overclock?
Preferably not, since even after reading up on it (in the OP and the net) I'd be afraid to fuck up, if the component comes with included overclocking software I wouldn't mind overclocking it a bit though.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I wouldn't mind it I suppose, but it simply doesn't seem necessary to me, I'm so used to even playing old titles on the lowest settings that even medium settings on a game from 2010 would look amazing to me, but then again I'm also building this one to last for a longer amount of time without needing to be upgraded, though even then it doesn't seem necessary (if I'm not overlooking something obvious that is).
Do you need an operating system?
I currently have windows 7 and my computer might be dying, but only when it gets put under pressure, so I should be able to back up everything I have on an external hard drive.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Got a keyboard, got a headset, got a mouse and I own a monitor as well (I know it's small for today's standards and if there's a cheap one and I have money left over I could spend it on a new one, but it's by no means a necessessity)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I don't, I've been out of the hardware stuff for years, so I trust the opinion of the more knowledgable guys here entirely, though since I don't really intend to do much overclocking, so I according to the OP I should get an Intel processor (I think).
For the other parts brands seem to mostly be relevant for low-end parts I think, so I guess I'm fairly open in that regard.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I don't, the thread gives me 3
http://www.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp
http://www.mindfactory.de/
http://www.alternate.de/html/index.html
And for simplicity's sake I'd like to use amazon, but I'm pretty sure that that would be a stupid idea (and since Alternate has an e-sports team I'd of course preferably support them, but since I was actually never a fan I don't mind buying from others if it's a better idea).
Is there anything out of the ordinary I need to know due to some of the stuff I've written?
Can I just take one of the example builds and modify it? If so, which one should I go with? The "typical gamer" one, sounds good, but it could be a bit older already and may need upgrading 2 years in already, which I'd like to avoid.
It's been nearly 3 hours since I started writing this post, I read through the OP and I still feel like I missed something.
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On June 04 2014 09:30 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hi all, I'm looking at building a hybrid medium-performance gaming machine and high-performance scientific computing machine. I plan to dual boot windows8 and ubuntu.
I'll use windows8 to play games like league of legends/starcraft 2 on high graphics settings with optimal FPS, and random future games (2+ years) on medium-ish graphics settings with optimal FPS.
I'll use ubuntu to work on side projects that will require some computationally intensive experiments that directly benefit from additional cores, RAM, and quick disk I/O. So I need a high-end processor, 16gb of RAM, and given the dual boot (and data storage for experiments) a nice SSD with comfortable capacity.
I don't plan on overclocking or doing SLI/Crossfire, and I don't plan on streaming.
Ideally, I want the case to be micro ATX because I may have to ship it around a few times/carry it onto a plane here and there.
I plan to buy a couple decent monitors for a dual setup as well to replace my current crappy ones.
Here is my current build (missing power supply)
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 $299.99
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 $49.98
RAM: Crucial 16GB $139.99
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 260X $109.99 (after $20 rebate)
Storage: Crucial MX100 CT512MX100SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $244
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) $36.99
Wireless Network Adapter: Edimax EW-7612PIn $25.98
Total: $886.92
Some questions:
1) Is the graphics card I chose up for this? The one above seems like a good deal.
2) Do I even need the graphics card? I.e., what kind of performance can I expect from the processor-integrated graphics card?
3) I'm having trouble choosing a good power supply. I'd like one that
a) supports PCE-e x16 without an adapter, but I can't seem to figure out what power supply specs support this (does 2x 6+2 support that?)
b) fits into a micro-ATX case
c) is least 400W (makes sense for my build or no?)
d) is relatively quiet (but this is not essential)
4) Do I need additional cooling?
5) Any other thoughts on the build? Is everything compatible, etc?
Okay, thanks a bunch for the helpful responses. Modified build:
Storage: Crucial MX100 CT512MX100SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $244
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor $294.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $94.99
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory $164.99
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card $139.99
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case $36.99
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply $77.98
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter $38.57
Total: $1092.50
Notes on changes:
1) Changed mobo per advice for three reasons: a) 9 series for processor compatibility, b) 4 RAM slots to leave open an option to upgrade to 32gb RAM later; and c) RAID striping capability as a potential future upgrade
2) Changed RAM to DDR3-2400 b/c it's not much more and the new mobo supports it (my experiments tend to read large amounts of data from disk into memory and then loop over it, so I think this will make a big difference here even if it doesn't impact gaming much)
3) Changed video card to a comparable (slightly better?) Nvidia chipset for two reasons: a) linux compatibility, and b) I might utitlize the delicious cuda capability for experiments (haven't done this yet, but might try in the future)
4) Added in 550W power supply. More than I need now, but given the fancier mobo, who knows: maybe I'll try CrossFire in the future
5) Changed wireless adapter. Was harder than I thought to find a decent one that would be reliable and compatible with Windows 8
Everything look good here? I'm slightly concerned about the motherboard since I can't find a review on it. Hopefully I'm not getting myself into trouble with that.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
On June 07 2014 03:33 skyR wrote:
That would affect your power supply temperature unless you are using Silverstone or another case with bottom intakes.
54c in BIOS is totally normal, quit worrying.
I don't think it is, but we'll see temps at various loads when windows is up. Still nothing to worry about, though
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Hi looking to create a new build. I'm trying to keep it around $2000.
Here are the questions:
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What is your budget?
~$2000
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I'd like to play the Witcher 3 at high settings. I know its impossible to tell what will be necessary to do that since the specs haven't been released but I think an i-7 and a 780 ti will get me there... right? For the immediate future I'm playing Dota, SC 2, and Wildstar. Would like to play at High or Ultra settings on these.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'll do some minor programming. I'm at University for computer science so I'll be doing homework and programming assignments, but I will use this rig mostly for gaming.
Do you intend to overclock?
I have never overclocked before but I'd like to start with this rig.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Eventually, I would like to add another 780 ti and do some SLI, but that's a future purchase for me.
Do you need an operating system?
No, I already have Windows 7
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Nope I already have everything I need on the peripheral front
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nope, I'm open to anything
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
I have come up with this so far:
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Notes:
Motherboard:
I have some questions about the motherboard. I'm unsure as to the difference between a Z87 and a Z97 motherboard. The one selected above is a Z87. I also feel like I could save a few dollars here and go with a cheaper card.
Ram:
I've heard that the differences between a ddr3-1600 and ddr3 2400 isn't that big of a difference. If that's the case I'll probably go for cheaper ram as well.
CPU Cooler:
I've never worked with liquid cooling but because this will be the first time I attempt overclocking it makes sense to get liquid cooling right? Is it really difficult to install? Is it worth the extra money/time? I believe the case is well equipped for a liquid cooling system like this but if someone could confirm this I would appreciate it.
Thanks so much for taking the time to help me with my build!
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
^I don't think you'd benefit much from going i7 instead of i5. The main feature difference (hyperthreading) only benefits you for specific loads, but it cuts slightly into overclocking headroom which DOES benefit far more types of cpu loads
cutting to i5, and a mobo to max out CPU, you could save like $220.
That PSU seems a bit too expensive to me, as in better units available for cheaper. Some other people (a few in this thread, as well as TwoCables and Shilka on www.overclock.net) know PSU's better than me, but those two on OCN are pretty crazy with knowledge sometimes. If you wanted to make the absolute best purchase there you could probably open a thread, tag them both and talk a little. 850w would be about where you wanted to be for SLI 780ti and OC'd haswell quad.
Case choice is very important for airflow when running such a setup, very important, unless you dont care about the last like 20-30% GPU performance, because keeping a pair of ~270w gpu's cool is difficult. It's not an entirely aesthetic choice for such a setup.
Difference between say average 1600c9 RAM and a good kit at say 2133c9 - 2400c10/equivalent etc is not really noticed by most people, but it can be worth to pay a little extra, especially since you can go from an average kit to a 8-9/10 kit for like $15 often, in this case like 1% of the build cost. If any CPU can take advantage of fast RAM, it's Haswell.
z97 is new chipset, you'll want to get one of those for devil's canyon/broadwell, and wait for June 25'th(? not 1000% sure) for an i5 4690k or i7 4790k. These overclock about the same (maybe identically) as 4670k/4770k, but are about 10c cooler, so it's worth waiting a few weeks for unless you wanted to delid your CPU, in which case you could buy 4670k/4770k now and it'd be better. That's a bit nuts for somebody who is just getting into overclocking to do, though - so 4690k option is good.
Just to clear up any potential misconception, "liquid" cooling, especially the smaller rads like a h100i, are not really better than air - they're just an alternative*. Tradeoffs include liquid being smaller, louder for the same performance, only performing at their best when mounted in a position that lets them intake air into the case through them, fitting better in some cases, worse in others - etc. Pricing is usually worse on CLC's for a given level of performance, i think, but that depends on the market.
If you're going the CLC route, i would advise something other than a h100i, as the h110 has ~36.1% higher radiator surface area due to being 2x140*140 instead of 2x120*120 fans, and the h105 is thicker by a big amount than the h100i, which has a significant impact on temperatures. For air, the strongest option for example is probably the NH-D15, but this is/was really expensive for air in some places as it's a pretty premium product (noctua branding, great 150mm fans, insane performance for the noise level at either "quiet" or "really really damn quiet" settings)
*Custom-loop water cooling is better than air when set up in certain ways - period. The closed-loop systems though use different liquid(?) and have stuff like pumps of limited strength, limited radiator area, etc. A good custom water setup wrecks both air and closed loop liquid coolers if you can keep the water cool, but air and closed loop coolers themselves
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Guys, got a build and wanna know ur opinion if everything fits fine:
Mboard: MSI H81M-E33 Socket 1150
CPU: Intel Core i5 4670 3.4GHz (6mb, Haswell, 84W, S1150) Box (not interested in overclocking tho, otherwise would be K version)
GPU: GF GTX650 1Gb DDR5 ASUS (or maybe Ti version?)
RAM: DDR3 2x4GB 1866MHz Team Xtreem Dark, 11-11-11-28 (although 1600 and 1866 is not that big difference, even in prices)
PSU: Aercool Strike 500W (80+ Bronze)
Harddrive not needed
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@Cyro
Thanks for the quick response!
That's interesting what you said about the i5 and the i7. I definitely would like to save $220 if it meant the same or better performance for games. I'm really glad you said something about the new processors coming out soon! I definitely will wait and grab one of those. I had no idea new i5 and i7's were right around the corner. I am a little confused as to what to look for in a motherboard that will "max out CPU." Obviously I need one with a Z97 chipset (for the new processors) but what should I be looking for in a motherboard to help with overclocking?
I was unaware that the smaller liquid coolers were louder. I looked up the NH-D15 and it pretty much sold me on how quiet it claims to be. Seems much easier to deal with than a radiator and all that too. With the money I save from the processor switch I could easily through a bit more on the NH-D15. Thanks!
As to the case would something like this be better for airflow?
Corsair Air 540 ATX Desktop Case
Is that because of the ATX Desktop design? You were saying that the NXZT Phantom would be a poor choice to try and keep the graphics cards cool right? Could anyone possibly recommend a good case to help with keeping the temperatures down on the GFX cards? Maybe I just need more after market fans?
Thanks so much for the help! I'll go over and check out overclock.net as well. I'll tell em Cyro sent me lol! I appreciate it so much!
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Alright, can't even turn my computer on anymore, will have to wait till I'm home after monday to try to fix it well enough that I can atleast use it to buy a new one, wanted to post a first build in this thread today, though I guess that''ll have to wait, since I don't want to look so much up with my cell
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