EPTComputer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 308
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34498 Posts
I don't know why Cyro chose it though. | ||
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Cyro
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Ropid
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On June 05 2014 12:11 Ropid wrote: Well... choosing it because you find it pretty is actually a good reason as there's nothing wrong with it. It will make you happier, right? I feel that's a smart use of money. Dunno if it'll make him happier ;p | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34498 Posts
I am looking for something below 100 pounds. It will be my secondary monitor as I already have a 24" as my primary. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On June 05 2014 12:19 Firebolt145 wrote: Adding onto the last page's final question about the PSU and MoBo, I'm also picking out a monitor. Could anyone knowledgeable with this stuff recommend a monitor from this site: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=17&catid=949 I am looking for something below 100 pounds. It will be my secondary monitor as I already have a 24" as my primary. ^I'm guessing that 21-24"ish is acceptable, and it's also a maybe to buy from another site if there's a much better deal | ||
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Lalalaland34498 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-084-BQ That's pretty much the only thing under 100 pounds that's 1080p and not TN. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
Went through this checklist I found and I think that I've done everything correctly. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-post-boot-video-problems I installed the CPU correctly, so I don't think that it's a bent pin. I took the side panel off when I turned on the computer and the two case fans were spinning, the GPU fans were spinning, and CPU's heat sink was spinning. It didn't look like there was a power switch on my mobo or anything. Argh. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Can H81 or B85 boards be used for the Haswell refresh? I assume you might have to do something like a BIOS update or something though? I've never liked H87 boards, they're just too expensive since you can't overclock with them. I guess Crossfire support is nice (if you're going Nvidia though that just gets thrown out the window, no SLI afaik), but I don't feel the slightly better LAN or sound is worth all the extra money. Perhaps if you want to make use of all 6 SATAIII ports it might be worth it? The extra USB ports? I don't know, I just don't like H87. I mean, compare what you get in a £75 Gigabyte H87-HD3 compared to a £45 MSI B85M-G43, both of which are Crossfire capable. H87 1 x 24-pin ATX main power connector 1 x 8-pin ATX 12V power connector 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors 1 x CPU fan header 3 x system fan headers 1 x front panel header 1 x front panel audio header 1 x S/PDIF Out header 1 x USB 3.0/2.0 header 3 x USB 2.0/1.1 headers 1 x serial port header 1 x parallel port header 1 x Clear CMOS jumper B85M - 1 x ATX 24-Pin power connector - 1 x 4-pin ATX 12V power connector - 4 x SATAIII connectors - 2 x SATAII connectors - 2 x USB 2.0 connectors - 1 x USB 3.0 connector - 1 x 4-pin CPU fan connector - 2 x 4-pin system fan connectors - 1 x Clear CMOS jumper - 1 x Front panel audio connector - 2 x System panel connectors - 1 x Chassis Intrusion connector - 1 x Trusted Platform Module (TPM) header - 1 x Serial port connector - 1 x Parallel Port connector http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4954#sp http://www.msi.com/product/mb/B85MG43.html#hero-specification http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B85M-G43-Motherboard-USB3-0-LGA1150/dp/B00CXOMKJU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401947014&sr=8-3&keywords=B85 | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
On June 05 2014 14:46 Headshot wrote: I probably should have done an external build my first time ever building a computer, but I put everything together, plug in my HDMI monitor to the back, turn on the power supply and hit the power button on the front of the tower and it turns on, but nothing happens on my monitor. Can't figure out why. Went through this checklist I found and I think that I've done everything correctly. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-post-boot-video-problems I installed the CPU correctly, so I don't think that it's a bent pin. I took the side panel off when I turned on the computer and the two case fans were spinning, the GPU fans were spinning, and CPU's heat sink was spinning. It didn't look like there was a power switch on my mobo or anything. Argh. OK, I think that I solved the problem. I may have made the stupidest mistake in the entire history of computer building, but I was plugging my monitor into my computer via the HDMI port on motherboard located on the back of the tower and I should have been plugging it into my GPU port on the back of the tower. -_____- | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Carte-Mere-Asus-P5Q-PREMIUM-INTEL-Core-2-Quad-Q9400-4Go-DDR2-C-Graphique-/331218355117?pt=FR_Informatique_Cartes_m%C3%A8res_avec_processeur&hash=item4d1e2703ad So, afaik, the P5Q is a pretty decent overclocking board. I can overclocking whichever processor is better between the Q9400 and the Q6600 (I think the Q6600 overclocks better?) on a budget heatsink like the Hyper 212. I currently have 3 Gb of RAM and the Q6600 on an OEM motherboard, so I that gives me one rig with 4 Gb of RAM and an overclocked Q6600 and another with 3 Gb of RAM and a Q9400 at stock clocks. I want to get a GTX 750 for €99 to put on the Q6600 build as well so the younger ones have a semi-decent gaming rig to work with instead of having a rig with an old HD3450. GTX 750 consumes little power so having an OEM PSU isn't a problem, it's also got the brand new Nvidia CPU-friendly drivers so it can work better with an old CPU. I can then put the HD3450 on the rig with the Q9400 and 3 Gb of RAM and my younger siblings get two rigs to work with instead of one (since there are three siblings, that's a lot). Assuming I put €50 on the table for the ebay deal above, €99 for the GTX 750 and €30 for the Hyper 212 Evo, that's a substantial upgrade and another computer which can play indie steam games and such for €180. Thoughts? I'm just thinking out loud but when you look at the price tag I suddenly don't like it. I think GTX 750 for €99 to replace the HD3450 should be more than enough. So that's €80 saved, which can be saved up for another better rig down the line. Haswell pentium, H81 and 4 Gb of DDR3 RAM is like €120. @Headshot, I've done that before as well. ^^ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On June 05 2014 14:46 Headshot wrote: I probably should have done an external build my first time ever building a computer, but I put everything together, plug in my HDMI monitor to the back, turn on the power supply and hit the power button on the front of the tower and it turns on, but nothing happens on my monitor. Can't figure out why. Went through this checklist I found and I think that I've done everything correctly. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-steps-posting-post-boot-video-problems I installed the CPU correctly, so I don't think that it's a bent pin. I took the side panel off when I turned on the computer and the two case fans were spinning, the GPU fans were spinning, and CPU's heat sink was spinning. It didn't look like there was a power switch on my mobo or anything. Argh. On June 05 2014 16:04 Headshot wrote: OK, I think that I solved the problem. I may have made the stupidest mistake in the entire history of computer building, but I was plugging my monitor into my computer via the HDMI port on motherboard located on the back of the tower and I should have been plugging it into my GPU port on the back of the tower. -_____- One of the most obvious and common problems~ Good if everything works correctly now! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On June 05 2014 16:04 Headshot wrote: OK, I think that I solved the problem. I may have made the stupidest mistake in the entire history of computer building, but I was plugging my monitor into my computer via the HDMI port on motherboard located on the back of the tower and I should have been plugging it into my GPU port on the back of the tower. -_____- On June 05 2014 15:13 Incognoto wrote: Not gonna lie, I got HyperX RAM because I was a long time fan of IdrA and he did a swell job plugging his sponsors. I got a nice looking grey kit, 2x4 Gb that does 1600 MHz @1.5V. Can H81 or B85 boards be used for the Haswell refresh? I assume you might have to do something like a BIOS update or something though? I've never liked H87 boards, they're just too expensive since you can't overclock with them. I guess Crossfire support is nice (if you're going Nvidia though that just gets thrown out the window, no SLI afaik), but I don't feel the slightly better LAN or sound is worth all the extra money. Perhaps if you want to make use of all 6 SATAIII ports it might be worth it? The extra USB ports? I don't know, I just don't like H87. I mean, compare what you get in a £75 Gigabyte H87-HD3 compared to a £45 MSI B85M-G43, both of which are Crossfire capable. H87 B85M http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4954#sp http://www.msi.com/product/mb/B85MG43.html#hero-specification http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B85M-G43-Motherboard-USB3-0-LGA1150/dp/B00CXOMKJU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401947014&sr=8-3&keywords=B85 Problem is, you can only drop Haswell refresh into 9-series boards unless you've updated the bios. There's no h91m's, etc, only h97 and z97. It could be worthwhile to drop to the 4570 instead of 4590, lose only 100mhz, and get cost savings on the mobo. That actually seems like a pretty obvious choice - Which motherboard would you guys then take for that from OCUK? Obviously i'm on the edge of seat with "do eet" and z87 + 4670k + true spirit 140 power, but eh, not my budget :D That screen looks pretty nice. Not-terrible for £100. There's some really weird screens quoting like 60 degree viewing angles? I'd never seen such before. Pretty much everything has non-adjustable stands, and from my brief half hour with one of the cheaper asus monitors, that definitely stands out as a weakness to me, as well as screen quality, but i think the "great" 1080p60 screens are closer to the ~£140-170 range, with such features as turning, tilting and height adjusting the screen on stand | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34498 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OqICzQb.png) The screen that Myrmidon linked is actually out of stock (their website is bugging out) and when I called them up to enquire about it they recommended the Iiyama. To reduce the overall cost we also downgraded the CPU to the 4670, which means we can also downgrade the mobo from a H97. Are there any suggestions? Cyro was looking at the H81's and B85's but I have no idea how to pick between them. I'll be confirming this in the next couple hours so looking for any last minute comments! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-469-GI £42 for four SATAIII and two SATAII ports. MSI's B85 only has two SATAIII and two SATAII, which is pretty much why I think GA's offer is better. The only advantage MSI really has imo is that it has x2 system fan headers to GA's x1. Which is circumvented by using this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-071-AK The second fan header on MSI's board isn't even PWM. Finally, the CPU power is 8 pin on the GA board and 4 pin on the MSI board. I'm not sure if that makes a difference at all? Maybe the VRMs will heat less under load but let's be serious here this is Haswell that's not overclocked. Edit: For like £8 less, at £34, you get the MSI H81M-P33 which has 2 SATAIII, 2 SATAII, 4 pin CPU power, 1 PWM system fan header, 1 non-PWM system fan header and 2 USB 3.0 ports and 8 USB 2.0 ports. Is there even a difference between B85M-P33 and H81M-P33 besides the difference in price? That's just weird as fuck, I'm not sure where the extra money is going. So basically either a GA B85M-D2V with four SATAIII, two SATAII ports, 4 + 8 USB ports (3.0 and 2.0 respectively) at £42. Or MSI H81M-P33 with four SATAIII, two SATAII ports, 2 + 8 USB ports (3.0 and 2.0 respectively) at £34. Those are the biggest differences since you get the same amount of PWM system fan headers and I don't see the point of an 1 x 8-pin ATX 12V power connector over a 1 x 4-pin, though maybe I'm missing something. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34498 Posts
Also, if you're experienced with bang-for-buck stuff, do you have any advice regarding the PSU? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I don't know a lot I just hang around in this thread a lot and answer questions when I know the answer. Yeah micro-ATX will fit into ATX cases. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/6/61/617cec43_1.png) ![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/2/29/2975d942_10382214_800938853272032_7949122211840993564_o.jpeg) 4.5@~1.27 to run cinebench, looks pretty normal | ||
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