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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
And what if i just let the cards be as when i got them. Is the Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz preffered over the 4770k? I will probably not go with the highest overclocking, since it seems...risky. I dont think i can delid the CPU. I picked that up from a post of cyro and i googled it. Seems overcomplicated for a noobie? And the english is tough to, iam not even understanding it 100%. | ||
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Craton
United States17295 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
And what if i just let the cards be as when i got them. Is the Intel Core i7 4790K4GHz preffered over the 4770k? I will probably not go with the highest overclocking, since it seems...risky. If you don't want to push a high OC, just run the 4790k at "stock". That's a "mid-tier" OC already. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Feels good to know what card to buy now | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On June 08 2014 02:41 Myrmidon wrote: 1700-1800 euros? You can pretty much get whatever you want. If your computer is that old, the RAM you have is not going to be DDR3 and thus not compatible. However, spending more money now, especially on the CPU, doesn't mean you won't have to upgrade later. At any point you can only buy the latest technology that is developed. After a certain point you end up just getting configurations that aren't particularly better for games. On graphics cards, sure, you could spend a lot, but the price/performance is much worse after a certain point, and over 150 euros on a video card to run a 1280 x 1024 monitor is kind of laughable. You could extend the CPU's usefulness by a marginal amount if you're willing to spend extra (100 euros or so) and overclock it. You probably just want a new monitor with the build. What you get has some impact on what you'd want for the build. Which is more important to you: better fast-motion clarity in games or better image quality and consistency overall? All the motherboard manufacturers left are pretty big (well, particularly or at least Asus, Gigabyte, AsRock, MSI) and most models should be fine. It should be all okay. You sure you don't want a monitor? You can fit it in a 900 CAD build with some adjustments. I'll get to this later, unless somebody already does. Im pretty sure i'll be buying a monitor later on but at the moment i just want to devote my entire budget to my pc that way i dont really have to worry about upgrading later and bothering you all in this thread for at least another year or two. ^__^ | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On June 08 2014 03:11 MisterFred wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2014 22:22 D u o wrote: What is your budget? 900 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1024x768 its a poopy 17" one. 8( What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? League/Dota/wildstar shooters random games. Anything new that interests me. I just want around the budget so I don't have to upgrade. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Internet movies, basic things Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. not really What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. nope I'm completely clueless on any of this, so I need some input on what to get and prices, so I don't get cheated out of my money. @__@ You might think about reusing case, power supply, DVD-drive, other re-usable components if you have them from the old computer. Note also that Canadian stores have pricematching. If you bring them the price (URL of product at the store, there should be an automated version over the web) of a competitor, they'll match it. Anyway, I put together a basic budget build that should do well for you. I didn't quite fit a monitor, but I make a suggestion at the end anyway. Saving up a bit more to get a better monitor would make a big difference. Note also I link a few items from both memory express & ncix. i5-4460 ($200) http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-core-i5-i5-4460-haswell-48-96203-1141.htm Basic Intel Quad-core MSI B85 motherboard ($55) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45786 If you're not overclocking, the key thing you want in a mobo is a low price EDIT: make sure to read what SkyR notes below. Unfortunately, H97 motherboards are a lot more expensive than B85 motherboards. Club 3D R7 265 Video Card ($150) http://www.ncix.com/detail/club-3d-radeon-r7-265-83-94996-1141.htm This card is roughly equivalent to an Nvidia 750 Ti, but in this case the 265 is cheaper. A bit better is the 270, worse is the 260x. You could probably fit a bit better card in your budget, but there's no point with the monitor you currently have. Even as it is, I'm anticipating you getting a bigger monitor (1920x1080) with this selection. Mushkin 2x4gb RAM ($80) http://www.ncix.com/detail/mushkin-stealth-ddr3-1600-udimm-2x4gb-1c-83696-1141.htm It's RAM. 8gb is the standard amount. BitFenix Comrade Case ($45) http://www.ncix.com/detail/bitfenix-comrade-black-atx-mid-c0-92219-1382.htm Case is one case where you can pretty much suit your fancy, this is just a cheap case I find acceptable. EVGA 500w PSU (50) http://www.ncix.com/detail/evga-500w-80-plus-certified-5f-92643-1382.htm It's a PSU I've been told is not crap. Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD ($85) http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-barracuda-2tb-7200rpm-sata3-ab-66010-1141.htm You could save $20 and get a smaller HDD here, but I like plenty of media storage room. DVD drive ($15) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX24714 Operating system. Choose either Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit or Windows 8.1 64-bit. Either should be $110 at NCIX. I prefer Windows 7, and not 8.1, but I believe I'm in the minority there. Total: $790, before tax & shipping (if you don't pick stuff up at stores). If you save up a bit more, I highly recommend getting a monitor to go with this quality of computer, probably this BenQ 24-inch: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39259 (Note other peripherals have not been included. Speakers - though the monitor above has speakers -, mouse, keyboard, wireless dongle, etc.) P.S. I'm a bit rusty on this forum, so if Myrmidon or Cyro takes issue with any of my recommendations, they probably have a good point. Thanks for taking the time to reply! One of my friends said having a SSD would help out a lot, is this true? I'll be upgrading my monitor eventually, but I'd rather just be able to play games at a steady frame rate. At the moment I'm playing games at a whopping 15-20 fps on my laptop and I've decided enough is enough, so I'm not looking for anything to look beautiful at the current time, but I don't want to shell out more money on parts, I'd rather just have a solid computer right now and play on a shitty monitor, because it's a lot easier setting up a monitor than having someone go and open up the pc for me and do all that junk. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On June 08 2014 07:02 D u o wrote: Thanks for taking the time to reply! One of my friends said having a SSD would help out a lot, is this true? I'll be upgrading my monitor eventually, but I'd rather just be able to play games at a steady frame rate. At the moment I'm playing games at a whopping 15-20 fps on my laptop and I've decided enough is enough, so I'm not looking for anything to look beautiful at the current time, but I don't want to shell out more money on parts, I'd rather just have a solid computer right now and play on a shitty monitor, because it's a lot easier setting up a monitor than having someone go and open up the pc for me and do all that junk. An SSD is just a really, really fast hard drive. It makes things load faster. So in games, loading times go down, but actual action FPS performance shouldn't be affected (there are rare games that load textures on the fly, where you might notice some difference). Similarly, boot times will be reduced, but processing power will not be affected. MS Word will load faster, but it's not like you're going to get a better word processing experience... This is why it's generally seen as a luxury item. Personally I'd upgrade screen before I'd get an SSD if I were you. The video card I recommended you is plenty to game on a 1920x1080 monitor, so if you're really not planning on upgrading the monitor, you can get a cheaper video card. | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On June 08 2014 07:17 MisterFred wrote: An SSD is just a really, really fast hard drive. It makes things load faster. So in games, loading times go down, but actual action FPS performance shouldn't be affected (there are rare games that load textures on the fly, where you might notice some difference). Similarly, boot times will be reduced, but processing power will not be affected. MS Word will load faster, but it's not like you're going to get a better word processing experience... This is why it's generally seen as a luxury item. Personally I'd upgrade screen before I'd get an SSD if I were you. The video card I recommended you is plenty to game on a 1920x1080 monitor, so if you're really not planning on upgrading the monitor, you can get a cheaper video card. Awesome thanks for your help! | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
What is your budget? ~$1000 (going a little over isn't the end of the world) What is your monitor's native resolution? Have many monitors, doesn't matter. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Probably LoL, Starcraft, and the occasional RPG like Dark Souls or Skyrim (probably not anything too heavy like Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4). Settings preferably as high as is reasonable (so probably max for league, idk how intensive the others are). What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Other than Gaming and Streaming, not a lot really Do you intend to overclock? Not at first, but I'd like to keep it open as an option in the future. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Fitting into a smaller case would be really nice What country will you be buying your parts in? Likely America As far as I can tell, So far I'm doing ok on the budget. My parts as of right now are looking something like this, but has changed a lot over the past few days.: Case: Corsair Obsidian 250D Storage: Crucial M500 SSD Power: Corsair CX 500W Memory: Corsair XMS3 Cooling: Corsair H75 liquid cooler Motherboard: MSI Z87i Processor: Intel Core i5-4670K Graphics Card: Sapphire AMD R9 270X VAPOR-X | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 08 2014 15:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Looking to build a computer for the first time, what do you guys think? I'm a total newbie, so help out with anything you can notice that could be improved What is your budget? ~$1000 (going a little over isn't the end of the world) What is your monitor's native resolution? Have many monitors, doesn't matter. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Probably LoL, Starcraft, and the occasional RPG like Dark Souls or Skyrim (probably not anything too heavy like Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4). Settings preferably as high as is reasonable (so probably max for league, idk how intensive the others are). What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Other than Gaming and Streaming, not a lot really Do you intend to overclock? Not at first, but I'd like to keep it open as an option in the future. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Fitting into a smaller case would be really nice What country will you be buying your parts in? Likely America As far as I can tell, So far I'm doing ok on the budget. My parts as of right now are looking something like this, but has changed a lot over the past few days.: Case: Corsair Obsidian 250D Storage: Crucial M500 SSD Power: Corsair CX 500W Memory: Corsair XMS3 Cooling: Corsair H75 liquid cooler Motherboard: MSI Z87i Processor: Intel Core i5-4670K Graphics Card: Sapphire AMD R9 270X VAPOR-X The Crucial MX100 is the successor to the M500, it's better and less expensive. Corsair CX500 is not a good option unelss it's like $40 or below before mail in rebate. It's regular price of $50 makes it a really shit buy since for $10 more, you have the Rosewill Capstone 450 which is significantly better; and for $10 less, you have the EVGA 500B which is about the same as the CX500, maybe slightly better. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On June 08 2014 15:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Looking to build a computer for the first time, what do you guys think? I'm a total newbie, so help out with anything you can notice that could be improved What is your budget? ~$1000 (going a little over isn't the end of the world) What is your monitor's native resolution? Have many monitors, doesn't matter. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Probably LoL, Starcraft, and the occasional RPG like Dark Souls or Skyrim (probably not anything too heavy like Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4). Settings preferably as high as is reasonable (so probably max for league, idk how intensive the others are). What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Other than Gaming and Streaming, not a lot really Do you intend to overclock? Not at first, but I'd like to keep it open as an option in the future. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Fitting into a smaller case would be really nice What country will you be buying your parts in? Likely America As far as I can tell, So far I'm doing ok on the budget. My parts as of right now are looking something like this, but has changed a lot over the past few days.: Case: Corsair Obsidian 250D Storage: Crucial M500 SSD Power: Corsair CX 500W Memory: Corsair XMS3 Cooling: Corsair H75 liquid cooler Motherboard: MSI Z87i Processor: Intel Core i5-4670K Graphics Card: Sapphire AMD R9 270X VAPOR-X h75 is bad, you should get a better air cooler if you can't afford a h100i+ you probably want an nvidia GPU because you're listing several CPU bound, dx9 games where nvidia is known to have more efficient drivers, i don't have any solid data on that and until somebody takes an AMD card and Nvidia card to play CPU bound situations in LoL etc then i won't have any, but that's what i would go with ATM for sc2/LoL and maybe Skyrim. if you're overclocking, either do it the month you build the system, or save like $150. It's not worth it to sit on parts for a year that you've paid for but are not using at all | ||
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Cabbett
9 Posts
On June 05 2014 01:36 Cabbett wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. I'm thinking I'll go for the Crucial MX100 from the online vendor. Pretty hard to beat that price/value combo. For the 500R it might depend on much the shipping fee knocks up the price; I'll keep buying in-store at Mem.Express an option. Can't wait to put this build together! My current pre-built from 2008 has served me well but it's definitely time to upgrade lol. Hey guys, just wanted to provide an update and ask for a bit of help. I decided to forego the SSD for now and instead use it to get an overclocking CPU and OC-capable MOBO. So I ended up getting: GA-Z97X-SLI i5-4670k G.skill Sniper 8GB, 1600mhz Corsair Carbide 400R (by the time I was ready the buy the sale on 500R was over on NCIX so couldn't pricematch it) WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200rpm These were added to what I already had which was: GTX 560Ti SC Corsair GS 700 So after I got everything put together the real pain began...installing the OS. Just getting it to start the installation process was a nightmare. Once I finally got Win 7 installing it took about 10 hours for it to expand 68% of the files. And then the best part happened...a random 3 second power outage. All that progress down the drain. ;_; Desperate to find a solution I decided to go purchase Win 8.1 full edition to see if it would install faster. After about 1 hour it's at 0% for "Getting files ready for installation." Is it normal for windows to take half a century to install, even in an HDD? Is maybe the optical drive I'm using shitty or something? I just don't understand how it can take so long, and I feel like at this rate I'll never get to enjoy my new PC... | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cabbett
9 Posts
Meanwhile my DVD install is still at 0% of "Getting files ready for installation." Wish me luck. | ||
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Cabbett
9 Posts
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Craton
United States17295 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 09 2014 07:10 guitarizt wrote: Would a pentium d, pentium g, or amd 3850 lag for sc2 team games? I see everyone going for i5's on here. Is it better than something like an fx 8350? Pentium D would be unplayable since it's like 10 years old. The rest would play the game reasonably well but of course you'd lag in team games. Yes, the i5 is better than the FX8350 for lightly threaded applications. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
For SC2, you should generally ignore AMD processors, as per-core performance is far, far, far more important than overall capability. If you're building a new computer & don't care about much other than SC2 & price, I think there's some overclockable pentium that just game out... P.S. the i5 would be better than all the above options, except in terms of cost. | ||
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