EPTComputer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 288
| Forum Index > Tech Support |
When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | ||
|
Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
| ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
| ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
| ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
270 @~$180 is also an option if you want more performance. That seems pretty good price/perf, a lot better than 760 at least ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125491&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/c/cf/cfe43c1b_kRnyK8x.png) 4c4t 4.5ghz @1.3vcore (basically a normal, average overclock), encoding average ~70c hottest core (corrected for ~20c ambients) with 20 minute load, using silver arrow even nearly a year after launch i still have to deal with people saying "Haswell only clocks to 4.2-4.4 with high end cooling" and citing stuff like the tomshardware launch review. You can easily clock well with a £90 board and a £35 CPU cooler, as in within 200mhz safe voltage limits, pretty much. My 4.6ghz requires ~1.32v to be solid (which i could do with such a cooler) but 4.8 is in the >1.45 range, as an example The messy situation is when you add 10c for enabling Hyperthreading while using a lower end cooler, but it's not the end of the world otherwise. In terms of performance: Incog's bench was 2.58fps on an i5 4670 @ stock 4.5 without HT i got 3.39fps 4.5 with HT i got 4.04fps So that is.. a 19% performance gain for enabling hyperthreading at the same clock speed, paired with* a ~31.4% performance gain from overclocking to 4.5ghz from stock. That's a little bigger than i would expect, but it's different systems, not perfect benchmarking scenario, etc. *that's multiplicative, so 100*1.19*1.314 = ~156% 4.04 / 2.58 = ~156% performance on 4770k @4.5 encoding relative to 4670 @stock (from those numbers) | ||
|
iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On May 10 2014 14:30 Cyro wrote: 750ti seems to be around $150 and r7 265 as well (similar performance but i would pref 750ti) The 750ti does not even come close to the performance of the R7 265, stock or overclocked. ~20% performance difference is not similar... Your Nvidia bias (which is fine) is seriously skewing your perception of price/performance (which is not fine). | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On May 10 2014 16:31 iTzSnypah wrote: The 750ti does not even come close to the performance of the R7 265, stock or overclocked. ~20% performance difference is not similar... Your Nvidia bias (which is fine) is seriously skewing your perception of price/performance (which is not fine). I have not seen many benches for 265, but 750ti does pretty well at 1400mhz+. If it's that significant gap, then my bad, ty | ||
|
iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On May 10 2014 16:41 Cyro wrote: I have not seen many benches for 265, but 750ti does pretty well at 1400mhz+. If it's that significant gap, then my bad, ty 750Ti's capable of running that high are the nearly same price of a R7 265 (because they are premium models with a 6pin connector). All R7 265s are capable of at least 1150Mhz core which is ~28% over stock. 750Ti's stock boost is what 1100Mhz? So overclocked at 1400Mhz that's ~28% frequency gain over stock. So the 750Ti doesn't OC further than a R7 265. The performance gap is consistently ~20%. E: The Max boost clock of a stock 750Ti is 1150Mhz, so it actually OC's lower (% wise) than a 7850/R7 265. | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
 | ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
For reference, I am upgrading from a GTX 260, which I got when it was still around $270. I get the feeling this is gonna be a decent upgrade  | ||
|
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Now, before i start i take it "typical professional" means you do work in "heavy programs" and such, which requires more from the computer than a Gaming computer. Is this the correct meaning sort of? I just took everything from that typical professional actually, but the site i will buy from doesnt have everything and some cards have names with lots of text etc. Tried to stay within the price, and tried to stay within the same power. Processor (CPU) $305 Intel Core i7 4770k -> $396 Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5 GHz (Haswell) . Seems reasonable? Memory [RAM] $149 G.Skill Ares 2x8GB 2400MHz -> $214 Corsair 16GB (2x8GB) CL11 2400MHz VENGEANCE PRO RED. Does the card i picked do justice? Video Card (GPU) $730 EVGA GTX 780 Ti 3GB Superclocked ACX -> I found the exact same name with a free "watch dogs" game, price $923. Primary Storage $300 Samsung 840 EVO 500GB -> $522 Samsung SSD Pro Basic 840-Series 512GB -> $349 Samsung SSD EVO Basic 840-Series 500GB So they are very similar in names here, my problem here is the "basic" word. Cost wise, the evo basic looks very similar, maybe thats the "correct" one? Power Supply (PSU)] $170 Corsair AX760 -> $222 Corsair AX 760W 80+ Platinum Modulär -> $258 Corsair AX 760i Digital 760W 80+ Platinum Modulär I guess the cheaper of these two is the "correct" one? Just to be clear what i want: Silent, gaming ,and professional use. I live in sweden, so every card is a bit higher naturally in cost. Do all cards fit? I tried to look at specifics but couldnt found stuff with every card about it. They do justice in power? Again iam really bad at computers. EDIT: With a "big" computer like this, i need a "big" screen? Like expensive and stuff? Since its quite an easy answer i presume, hope you dont mind. | ||
|
RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
EDIT: Also, accidentally (?) bought an OEM HDD and OEM Optical Drive so no cables/manual...any advice? I got the usual 1 TB WD HDD and the $20Asus Optical everyone recommends. | ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
I'm looking to spend as little as possible, as I already bought a new video card. But I'd really prefer it be Asus. Thanks, guys! | ||
|
FunkyKillBox
1 Post
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9076802&srkey=M69-10018 Im looking to build my first computer and this would be a nice starting point. I dont plan to overclock, and i was going to try and pricematch the i5 4430 with staples anyway. maybe combine it with this? http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/25czx0/video_card_diamond_boost_radeon_r9_270x_20051515/ | ||
|
Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On May 13 2014 10:46 Mohdoo wrote: Bought a new video card and it doesn't work with my motherboard -_- Google'd around and saw that this is true for other people as well. No BIOS updates for the past 2 years, so I'm SOL. It works in my girlfriend's older computer and her video card works in my computer. So she got a free $200 video card upgrade for the time being. So now I need to buy myself a new motherboard that will work with my i7-2600K. Anyone have any Asus recommendations? My old board was a 1155, but does that mean that my new one needs to be as well? Not sure how backwards compatability is working nowadays. I'm looking to spend as little as possible, as I already bought a new video card. But I'd really prefer it be Asus. Thanks, guys! Did you contact technical support of the motherboard vendor? They might have various beta BIOS versions that they never released on their website. What's the vendor of your current board? People might have shared betas for the boards somewhere on the Internet. There's also the possibility to update the modules used inside the BIOS and someone might have done that. | ||
|
Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 13 2014 11:00 Ropid wrote: Did you contact technical support of the motherboard vendor? They might have various beta BIOS versions that they never released on their website. What's the vendor of your current board? People might have shared betas for the boards somewhere on the Internet. There's also the possibility to update the modules used inside the BIOS and someone might have done that. That would certainly be awesome. It is an Intel DP67BG. I have no real idea how I'd go about finding what you described though  | ||
|
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 13 2014 09:11 RiceAgainst wrote: Does using a Haswell Refresh on H87 instead of H97 hurt the potential of the CPU? Or only really for overclocking on Z87 v Z97? EDIT: Also, accidentally (?) bought an OEM HDD and OEM Optical Drive so no cables/manual...any advice? I got the usual 1 TB WD HDD and the $20Asus Optical everyone recommends. Well you don't need manuals. For both, you plug in the PSU's SATA cable and then use an actual SATA cable to connect your drives with the motherboard. SATA cables should have come with the motherboard, if not you can buy them on amazon for a few €/$. I believe you >need< a 97 board to use the Haswell refresh, just in terms of comptability. If you want to overclock then yes, you need a Z97 board for Haswell refresh. | ||
|
WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
| ||
|
Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 13 2014 14:27 WindWolf wrote: Do you guys think that a good Air-based cooling solution like a Noctua NH-D15 will be enough to cool an i7-4790k while overclocking? It should be more than enough, that's a high-end cooler. Just make sure your case fits it. | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On May 13 2014 14:27 WindWolf wrote: Do you guys think that a good Air-based cooling solution like a Noctua NH-D15 will be enough to cool an i7-4790k while overclocking? Given that CLC's are not really better than high end air.. uh, yea, you can OC a Haswell CPU without a custom water loop. As for 4790k, we don't know anything about Devil's Canyon CPU's, if there is any change at all to overclocking process or results - or the magnitude of temperature changes. I'l let you know when we have data~ | ||
| ||
