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On May 08 2014 10:30 Emerson_H wrote:Anyone know if this would be a good buy for a ~$1500 gaming build? I'll be running a single 1080p monitor. I was planning to get the 780 but this seems like a much better value for the performance.
Personally, I would be investing more money into the GPU than that if I were going for a gaming build. The R9 290 Tri-X is a very interesting card to look at as well, might want to look into it. Otherwise, the GTX 770 is good enough to run most games at ultra settings at 1080p, if you need a benchmark.
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290/780 is just good for that extra kick, realistically ~1.4x the cards below them
If you're gpu limited on a $1000 build, and it's $300 vs $500, you're essentially paying $200 more (1.2x) for 1.4x the performance of the entire system
if the system as a whole is more expensive though, a single component costing 1.5x as much is more acceptable
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On May 08 2014 10:30 Emerson_H wrote:Anyone know if this would be a good buy for a ~$1500 gaming build? I'll be running a single 1080p monitor. I was planning to get the 780 but this seems like a much better value for the performance.
What are the rest of the components? =P
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Is upgrading to a Haswell refresh i7 a good option to give me a better streaming experience worth it compared to my current i5 2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz?
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On May 08 2014 23:49 Mackem wrote:
Is upgrading to a Haswell refresh i7 a good option to give me a better streaming experience worth it compared to my current i5 2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz?
I'd be very sceptical about that idea, would guess you'll end up disappointed.
Even if it turns out that the experience is slightly better on Haswell Refresh, it's pretty much impossible for it to improve so much that it's worth the money for the new board and CPU.
Maybe wait for Cyro to tell you what his experiences are in using a current NVIDIA card to capture the game and compress it in hardware. That pretty much bypasses the CPU. I don't know if what it does is usable. It might need massive amounts of upstream for a good picture for example, or it might be buggy and crash a lot.
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On May 07 2014 05:27 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 05:04 aBstractx wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/3484815250.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.pingtest.net/result/97082312.png) i pay for all this internet but yet, it doesnt seem as good as the results i get. it often doesnt work and sc2 the only game i really play is very, very choppy. any reason behind this? considering switching isps, i mean id rather have 30 down 10 up if it was stable all the time and worked well Looks fine to me, how is sc2 choppy?
im getting constant lag spikes, fram rate chart top left shows me getting on average 10-12network spikes per min. thats a lot no?
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On May 09 2014 03:53 aBstractx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 05:27 Cyro wrote:On May 07 2014 05:04 aBstractx wrote:i pay for all this internet but yet, it doesnt seem as good as the results i get. it often doesnt work and sc2 the only game i really play is very, very choppy. any reason behind this? considering switching isps, i mean id rather have 30 down 10 up if it was stable all the time and worked well Looks fine to me, how is sc2 choppy? im getting constant lag spikes, fram rate chart top left shows me getting on average 10-12 network spikes per min. and as high as like 17. thats a lot no?
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it sounds like an issue with your connection, which is not really in the purview of this thread. I've had similar issues. you need to find out where the problem is between you and blizzard (using pathping, winmtr, whatever) and then lean on the appropriate company to fix it.
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On May 08 2014 16:02 Cyro wrote:
290/780 is just good for that extra kick, realistically ~1.4x the cards below them
If you're gpu limited on a $1000 build, and it's $300 vs $500, you're essentially paying $200 more (1.2x) for 1.4x the performance of the entire system
if the system as a whole is more expensive though, a single component costing 1.5x as much is more acceptable
Good point. I went with the 780 as I had some budget to spare. Really looking forward to building my system over the weekend now.
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Hello you guys.
I want a good gaming pc, that is very very silent.
A bonus would be if its possible to create stuff like a new video game via a program, that requires lots of steam of the computer. However, The silence part is #1 for me
part 1
So i copied from the first page.
The site i will buy from is in sweden, they had all these stuff except the memory card - Which card should i get instead then?(They build it themself, which i like alot)
GAMING ENTHUSIAST 1080p ultra settings, overclocking, streaming, Crossfire / SLI ready
Processor (CPU) $220 Intel Core i5 4670k
Motherboars $145 Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Memory (RAM) $75 They didnt have the card which was written, so if this computer holds my standards, what memory card should i get?
Video Card (GPU) $520 asusS GTX 780 3GB DirectCu II
Primary Storage $154 Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
Secondary Storage $60 Western Digital Blue 1TB
Power Supply (PSU) $110 XFX XTR 650
Case[image loading] $120 NZXT H440
Heatsink[image loading] $73 Noctua NH-U14S
1. Is this a good computer? The page is edited last time in february 22, not very far off but you never know when it comes to computers i guess(?)
2. Is this computer silent?? If its not, what requires to make it silent? Iam willing to put money on the silence part.
Easily without thinking 150$
3. Iam clueless when it comes to design stuff, but i am guessing it takes alot of computer steam if you wanna design some hardcore stuff. Like making a new video game, making models.
If this computer cant hold programs like that, what is it then that makes a computer do those programs good?
Again, the silent part is #1 to me.
Gaming is #2.
Design is a future thing only.
This is about the computer i wanna buy.
part 2
I actually bought a new computer just a month ago or so, i took for granted they cared about the silence part but i was wrong.
It was no heatsink in that computer but i bought one:
Noctua NH-L9a CPU and put it inside.
But the sound is still bugging as hell and i have no idea where it comes from.(i dont think i cant be arsed sending the computer back either).
On top of that frequent 100% uptime sound, another sound which is more annoying arrives from time to time.
So i hit the computer right ontop of the motherboard and that annoying sound stops, everytime it comes back i hit it and it stops.
I think the light in the computer went out today for doing this...if iam not mistaken a computer when its on has a lamp inside right? Its completely dark in the chassi now(i can see through it) when the comp is on.
Motherboard is: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P, Socket-AM3+, and the chassi is: Corsair Carbide 200R Komplett Edition.
I have no idea if this says anything at all but what the hell i provide information anyway if it helps.
So what else can be annyoing, the graphic card is a XFX Radeon R7 260X 2GB GDDR5, the sound buggs me when the fan reaches 60%, so i made it at all time be at 27% so it doesnt bugg me now i think the graphic card(dont worry the card never goes up over 80 degrees)
So last thing i can think of is this: Cooler Master B500, 500W PSU. Is this thing maybe doing some weird sounds or something?
I got the computer via the post, if it says anything.
Last thing about this computer is, the screen sometimes turn black and i cant do anything. It happens maybe once every 7days. Need to press off button to shut it down and then i can start it just fine after.
Again i have no idea what it is, so if i cant fix it i will buy a new computer and make sure the silence part is very very good this time.
I have no good skills either with putting things inside.
Again, appreciate help.
Hope it was not to much text
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On May 09 2014 07:10 Foxxan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello you guys.
I want a good gaming pc, that is very very silent.
A bonus would be if its possible to create stuff like a new video game via a program, that requires lots of steam of the computer. However, The silence part is #1 for me
part 1
So i copied from the first page.
The site i will buy from is in sweden, they had all these stuff except the memory card - Which card should i get instead then?(They build it themself, which i like alot)
GAMING ENTHUSIAST 1080p ultra settings, overclocking, streaming, Crossfire / SLI ready
Processor (CPU) $220 Intel Core i5 4670k
Motherboars $145 Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Memory (RAM) $75 They didnt have the card which was written, so if this computer holds my standards, what memory card should i get?
Video Card (GPU) $520 asusS GTX 780 3GB DirectCu II
Primary Storage $154 Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
Secondary Storage $60 Western Digital Blue 1TB
Power Supply (PSU) $110 XFX XTR 650
Case[image loading] $120 NZXT H440
Heatsink[image loading] $73 Noctua NH-U14S
1. Is this a good computer? The page is edited last time in february 22, not very far off but you never know when it comes to computers i guess(?)
2. Is this computer silent?? If its not, what requires to make it silent? Iam willing to put money on the silence part.
Easily without thinking 150$
3. Iam clueless when it comes to design stuff, but i am guessing it takes alot of computer steam if you wanna design some hardcore stuff. Like making a new video game, making models.
If this computer cant hold programs like that, what is it then that makes a computer do those programs good?
Again, the silent part is #1 to me.
Gaming is #2.
Design is a future thing only.
This is about the computer i wanna buy.
part 2
I actually bought a new computer just a month ago or so, i took for granted they cared about the silence part but i was wrong.
It was no heatsink in that computer but i bought one:
Noctua NH-L9a CPU and put it inside.
But the sound is still bugging as hell and i have no idea where it comes from.(i dont think i cant be arsed sending the computer back either).
On top of that frequent 100% uptime sound, another sound which is more annoying arrives from time to time.
So i hit the computer right ontop of the motherboard and that annoying sound stops, everytime it comes back i hit it and it stops.
I think the light in the computer went out today for doing this...if iam not mistaken a computer when its on has a lamp inside right? Its completely dark in the chassi now(i can see through it) when the comp is on.
Motherboard is: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P, Socket-AM3+, and the chassi is: Corsair Carbide 200R Komplett Edition.
I have no idea if this says anything at all but what the hell i provide information anyway if it helps.
So what else can be annyoing, the graphic card is a XFX Radeon R7 260X 2GB GDDR5, the sound buggs me when the fan reaches 60%, so i made it at all time be at 27% so it doesnt bugg me now i think the graphic card(dont worry the card never goes up over 80 degrees)
So last thing i can think of is this: Cooler Master B500, 500W PSU. Is this thing maybe doing some weird sounds or something?
I got the computer via the post, if it says anything.
Last thing about this computer is, the screen sometimes turn black and i cant do anything. It happens maybe once every 7days. Need to press off button to shut it down and then i can start it just fine after.
Again i have no idea what it is, so if i cant fix it i will buy a new computer and make sure the silence part is very very good this time.
I have no good skills either with putting things inside.
Again, appreciate help.
Hope it was not to much text
Noctua is known for silence and their heatsinks are top-notch but the Noctua NH-L9A is a low profile heatsink which are meant for small cases with low clearance and not for mid-towers like the Corsair Carbide 200R. A Noctua NH-U12S or NH-U14S is more appropriate for mid-tower cases.
The Corsair Carbide 200R is also a budget case (no sound dampening material, no built-in fan controller, lots of mesh openings without fans, etc) so don't buy a cheap case in the future if you care about low noise operation. The annoying sound you are hearing is probably vibration from the side panels, The NZXT H440 is designed to be silent with sound dampening material and minimal paths for sound to escape, other options include the Fractal Design Define R4, Corsair 550D, and Antec P280. You'll notice with all these cases that they're basically a box with very little mesh. H440, Define R4, and P280 also comes with a built-fan controller to allow you to control the speed of the fans.
Most video cards will sound like jet engines once you pass 60% or so, this is unavoidable and as you have learned - you just have to manage the fan speed and keep it at a low level.
Not sure of the specific Cooler Master B500 but generally power supplies cannot be heard over case fans, video card, and harddrives. The XFX XTR has the hybrid fan button, allowing you to select whether to have the fan always on or to have it only activated when a certain load or temperature is reached, aka it's basically silent.
Also if you want to eliminate noise sources, get rid of the HDD and get a larger SSD. Use externals or a NAS instead for storage.
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On May 08 2014 23:49 Mackem wrote:
Is upgrading to a Haswell refresh i7 a good option to give me a better streaming experience worth it compared to my current i5 2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz?
Depends what you mean, better streaming experience with what? Higher stream FPS, game FPS? In terms of actual encoding speed, a Haswell i7 at same clock speed can encode like 1.4-1.5x faster (stacking high video encoding IPC gains in the league of 20% or even a bit higher, alongside gaining hyperthreading.. 100*1.2*1.2 = 144%, 100*1.25*1.2 = 150%), it's not really close - but in terms of game performance, the IPC gains are less, hyperthreading is mostly irrelevant, and having more CPU idle while you are streaming does not seem to fix the FPS losses caused by CPU encoding (maybe related to having to copy frame data into system memory to do this, i really have no idea)
On May 09 2014 00:41 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 23:49 Mackem wrote:
Is upgrading to a Haswell refresh i7 a good option to give me a better streaming experience worth it compared to my current i5 2500K OC'd to 4.5GHz? I'd be very sceptical about that idea, would guess you'll end up disappointed. Even if it turns out that the experience is slightly better on Haswell Refresh, it's pretty much impossible for it to improve so much that it's worth the money for the new board and CPU. Maybe wait for Cyro to tell you what his experiences are in using a current NVIDIA card to capture the game and compress it in hardware. That pretty much bypasses the CPU. I don't know if what it does is usable. It might need massive amounts of upstream for a good picture for example, or it might be buggy and crash a lot.
NVENC seems pretty stable with OBS (well, few driver issues recently, if you want to use 337.50) and has no trouble outperforming every software capture method i've seen in terms of how little effect on the game running it has (including OBS game capture + x264) even when they are not bound by CPU strength, but right now i have to use a certain quality preset in the NVENC encoder for Twitch to actually accept the stream, which seems to hurt quality more. It doesn't compete well with quality for cpu encoding on a very limited bitrate, but high quality preset etc is probably better than "bluray" for that. I can test that to confirm, and maybe somewhat measure the difference, but i don't get the impression that my twitch streaming has been up to the quality of the local records i made, using 3.5mbit CBR before i got new internet connection
Regarding NVENC and game performance: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/233916-simple-questions-simple-answers?page=444#8862
..why did i post that in simple answers thread 
Also, i just fell on a post by accident - Makkem, if your 2500k will do 4.5@1.24v, why not just clock up some? Especially if you're looking to upgrade to Haswell Refresh or Skylake (i would recommend Skylake+ddr4 which is still targetted @ late 2015 AFAIK - if upgrading)
And also just to add, if your problem is with sc2 in particular, no upgrade will save you ^.^
If it's not, more specific info = more specific help
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So you already have the 7870?
You don't need a 600w power supply for a 7870 and FX6300, you can get an EVGA 500B which is about $35. If you want to spend $80 on a power supply, Rosewill Capstone or XFX XTR are significantly better than the CX600.
If you will be overclocking, you will need an aftermarket heatsink. Otherwise a cheaper board than the M5A99FX will be fine for a non-overclocking build.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544 is cheaper.
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On May 10 2014 00:43 skyR wrote:So you already have the 7870? You don't need a 600w power supply for a 7870 and FX6300, you can get an EVGA 500B which is about $35. If you want to spend $80 on a power supply, Rosewill Capstone or XFX XTR are significantly better than the CX600. If you will be overclocking, you will need an aftermarket heatsink. Otherwise a cheaper board than the M5A99FX will be fine for a non-overclocking build. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544 is cheaper.
Other than that will the rig do for me what I need it to? And no the 7870 will be ordered
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Yes, DotA 2 is not a demanding game. You don't need a 7870 either, a GTX 750 Ti for ~$140 can max the game as well at an average of 100 FPS+.
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On May 10 2014 02:45 skyR wrote:
Yes, DotA 2 is not a demanding game. You don't need a 7870 either, a GTX 750 Ti for ~$140 can max the game as well at an average of 100 FPS+.
Any suggestions for a cheaper board?
And would this be any better/worse? http://www.ebay.com/itm/371059147200
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Except for the processor, the premade is significantly worst in every regard.
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