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On May 07 2014 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
I would definitely get 8 Gb of RAM and another, cheaper motherboard (z87x-d3h). Use the money to get a better CPU cooler, perhaps even a 120 Hz monitor. But that system is ... hardcore overkill if you just want to play LoL. This rig is enough to to run most games at close-to-max settings at 1080p.
This would be a nice rig to stream LoL or SC2 at 1080p60 though.
E: Careful with placebo it can be hard on the wallet sometimes. Getting a better monitor is a much better investment than getting double the RAM you need. RAM should be a solid RAM kit btw, 2 x 4 Gb of 2133 or 2400 MHz RAM at 1.65V. That ought to feel snappier than 16 GB of slower RAM.
A good CPU cooler would be the Thermalright Macho Rev.A. It's mid-ranged but performs admirably for its price.
Thanks, I will update the cooler in my parts list.
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I've never found 8gb to be limiting. I've used a computer with 16gb ram and if you're gaming, I feel like you'll never notice the difference. Even when I have a game that uses a lot of ram, pandora, skype, and firefox open, I have at least 1gb of memory free in my 8gb memory computer. I'm sure there are professional things you can do, or programming or video editing or whatever, where the 16gb is worth it. I've never run into that.
E: that being said, I was running on windows 7, not OS X-- maybe OS X is different, so don't take my word on this
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On May 07 2014 01:19 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 00:55 yokcounty wrote:On May 07 2014 00:26 Ropid wrote:
You can save a lot of money if you want, and LoL will not run any different (I mean literally no difference). Other than that, everything looks like it fits together well except for the CPU cooler being budget while everything else is the opposite of budget.
Needing 16 GB of RAM is very rare. 8 GB is nearly always enough. The motherboard is very likely overkill, not any better than something for $120 or so. For this price, I feel you should get everything you might possibly need on the board like for example wireless. The only thing this board has special that seems interesting to me is better audio than normal. Well, my iMac came with 8 GB, and I when I changed to 16 GB I feel like I can tell a difference, but maybe it is just in my head. I listen to A LOT of music while working or gaming, so having better audio sounds good, however I must admit I only chose that motherboard because it was highly rated by other users, I had no idea about its audio specs. I understand that LoL can run okay with less, but I don't want to buy something that I will have to upgrade in a couple of years and end up having to spend more money in the aggregate. In truth, my 2011 iMac still runs LoL fine, one of the major reasons I am buying a new computer I because I want at least one windows machine in my home (My fiance and I both use macbooks as well). What cooler would you recommend? I chose that one because it was the one used in the recommend build for me a couple pages back. Thanks for the feedback! I assume you're not overclocking because you have not explicitly mentioned it. By the way, paying more so you "can have the option" to overclock "later" has always been a waste of money from my personal observations. - Get a rosewill capstone 450w for $60. It's more appropriate for a low power draw like a 770 and 4670. If you care about semimodular, the 450m is $70 iirc. - Get a 4670 if it's cheaper than the 4670k. They're the same (except the 4670 has better virtualisation features QQ) if you're not overclocking. - The cooler you have is fine for a non overclocked configuration. - The "feeling" you got from adding more ram is just the placebo effect. If you want to find out if you need 16GB of ram, disable the pagefile with 8GB, and if your computer ever tells you it's running out of ram, consider adding more (or re-enabling the pagefile lol). - Get a h87 board. It's the same as z87 for the typical user but without overclocking features. - Insofar as the gpu goes (assuming you don't want to max out new demanding titles), it's more cost efficient to buy a midrange card, ie 750ti/760 with a better price/performance ratio, and slap in a new card if you feel you need the upgrade. If you're playing league of legends only, you don't even need a gpu... Aside: If you care about sound quality, you wouldn't be using onboard sound. A more expensive motherboard does not mean a better audio experience, onboard can have a lot of interference on even the most expensive motherboards. Anecdotal evidence: my p8p67 (which is decent) onboard sound had so much interference (yes the back panel and especially front panel) that I needed to get a soundcard. I had very sensitive iems at the time though. Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
That ought to feel snappier than 16 GB of slower RAM. Is this a joke or metaphor I'm missing? RAM speed does not affect the "snappiness" of anything, unless you mean the shininess of your benchmark scores, or extra 1-2% fps gains in a handful of games.
Okay, I will change the power supply. That is actually the one that was recommended to me, but I thought since i got a larger video card than he chose I would need to get a higher wattage power supply maybe to run it. I dont want to overclock, but I do want to avoid buying parts that I will have to upgrade in just a couple years. If I use the 750ti/760, would that fall in that category? I would rather pay for a 770 now, and have it be good for four years or so, then buy a 750ti/760 and have to buy another card in a couple years and end up spending more money over time.
Thanks for the info on the MB, I will look for a cheaper one since I don't have a desire to overclock. I google searched and it says that the iMac I have does have a sound card, so perhaps I should add one to keep the same quality sound?
Thanks again guys!
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I've always had the impression, reading this thread even, that a good RAM kit would be defined with the specs I described: a dual kit with high frequencies at 1.65V (2133 with 9 or 2400 with 10-11, iirc). The difference in price isn't that great either, so I'm not sure what's wrong with getting a solid 8 Gb RAM kit over a more expensive 16 Gb kit.
If RAM were entirely unimportant wouldn't we all just buy 1 stick of 8 Gb without caring for latencies, frequencies or dual channels?
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On May 07 2014 01:32 yokcounty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 01:19 Rollin wrote:On May 07 2014 00:55 yokcounty wrote:On May 07 2014 00:26 Ropid wrote:
You can save a lot of money if you want, and LoL will not run any different (I mean literally no difference). Other than that, everything looks like it fits together well except for the CPU cooler being budget while everything else is the opposite of budget.
Needing 16 GB of RAM is very rare. 8 GB is nearly always enough. The motherboard is very likely overkill, not any better than something for $120 or so. For this price, I feel you should get everything you might possibly need on the board like for example wireless. The only thing this board has special that seems interesting to me is better audio than normal. Well, my iMac came with 8 GB, and I when I changed to 16 GB I feel like I can tell a difference, but maybe it is just in my head. I listen to A LOT of music while working or gaming, so having better audio sounds good, however I must admit I only chose that motherboard because it was highly rated by other users, I had no idea about its audio specs. I understand that LoL can run okay with less, but I don't want to buy something that I will have to upgrade in a couple of years and end up having to spend more money in the aggregate. In truth, my 2011 iMac still runs LoL fine, one of the major reasons I am buying a new computer I because I want at least one windows machine in my home (My fiance and I both use macbooks as well). What cooler would you recommend? I chose that one because it was the one used in the recommend build for me a couple pages back. Thanks for the feedback! I assume you're not overclocking because you have not explicitly mentioned it. By the way, paying more so you "can have the option" to overclock "later" has always been a waste of money from my personal observations. - Get a rosewill capstone 450w for $60. It's more appropriate for a low power draw like a 770 and 4670. If you care about semimodular, the 450m is $70 iirc. - Get a 4670 if it's cheaper than the 4670k. They're the same (except the 4670 has better virtualisation features QQ) if you're not overclocking. - The cooler you have is fine for a non overclocked configuration. - The "feeling" you got from adding more ram is just the placebo effect. If you want to find out if you need 16GB of ram, disable the pagefile with 8GB, and if your computer ever tells you it's running out of ram, consider adding more (or re-enabling the pagefile lol). - Get a h87 board. It's the same as z87 for the typical user but without overclocking features. - Insofar as the gpu goes (assuming you don't want to max out new demanding titles), it's more cost efficient to buy a midrange card, ie 750ti/760 with a better price/performance ratio, and slap in a new card if you feel you need the upgrade. If you're playing league of legends only, you don't even need a gpu... Aside: If you care about sound quality, you wouldn't be using onboard sound. A more expensive motherboard does not mean a better audio experience, onboard can have a lot of interference on even the most expensive motherboards. Anecdotal evidence: my p8p67 (which is decent) onboard sound had so much interference (yes the back panel and especially front panel) that I needed to get a soundcard. I had very sensitive iems at the time though. On May 07 2014 01:03 Incognoto wrote:
That ought to feel snappier than 16 GB of slower RAM. Is this a joke or metaphor I'm missing? RAM speed does not affect the "snappiness" of anything, unless you mean the shininess of your benchmark scores, or extra 1-2% fps gains in a handful of games. Okay, I will change the power supply. That is actually the one that was recommended to me, but I thought since i got a larger video card than he chose I would need to get a higher wattage power supply maybe to run it. I dont want to overclock, but I do want to avoid buying parts that I will have to upgrade in just a couple years. If I use the 750ti/760, would that fall in that category? I would rather pay for a 770 now, and have it be good for four years or so, then buy a 750ti/760 and have to buy another card in a couple years and end up spending more money over time. Thanks for the info on the MB, I will look for a cheaper one since I don't have a desire to overclock. I google searched and it says that the iMac I have does have a sound card, so perhaps I should add one to keep the same quality sound? Thanks again guys!
There's no reason to think about >450w PSU unless you're getting a flagship GPU.. in four years, your 770 will be low end, so if you're never buying more than a "midrange" card then you don't have to worry about power consumption. It's also ridiculously hard to forecast stuff four years in advance, 1-2 years is hard enough
Thanks for the info on the MB, I will look for a cheaper one since I don't have a desire to overclock
Then just drop to a 4670 and a h81/b87? board, can never remember the chipset. I'm not sure if a 770 would show more performance than 750/750ti in league, given its CPU bound nature (afaik) even though it costs 4x as much. If you got those things, your gaming power consumption would be like 100w for entire system and you could just drop in whatever monster graphics card from next gen (next ~2-3 quarters for release of some cards, most likely) that you wanted.
I would rather pay for a 770 now, and have it be good for four years or so, then buy a 750ti/760 and have to buy another card in a couple years and end up spending more money over time.
770 is just a 760 with a bit more power behind it, but it can't come close to fighting with the flagship cards (290/780/780ti). If you put more money in hoping to not have "outdated" parts in a gen or two.. it won't happen, and you will have spent more money. It's better to have a good card that you can afford to replace when performance/dollar is much better, rather than holding out for an extremely long (4 years with a midrange 760/770) replacement cycle
Here's a one generation gap, gf100/110 on 45nm vs gk110 on 28nm - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1135?vs=1072 - the 780ti has significantly more overclocking headroom too. It's in the same power and price bracket - this is the kind of stuff that happens if you afk for 3-4 years with GPU's, and the kind of stuff that will happen to current gen GPU's in the second half of this year, as well as 2015, quite likely
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i pay for all this internet but yet, it doesnt seem as good as the results i get. it often doesnt work and sc2 the only game i really play is very, very choppy. any reason behind this? considering switching isps, i mean id rather have 30 down 10 up if it was stable all the time and worked well
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Explain "often doesn't," if it doesn't work during primetime than that's likely because you're on cable and your ISP oversold in your neighbourhood.
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On May 07 2014 05:04 aBstractx wrote:i pay for all this internet but yet, it doesnt seem as good as the results i get. it often doesnt work and sc2 the only game i really play is very, very choppy. any reason behind this? considering switching isps, i mean id rather have 30 down 10 up if it was stable all the time and worked well
Looks fine to me, how is sc2 choppy?
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I get that sometimes, due to bad ping when the siblings are on youtube.
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Why is it that my Windows audio keeps crashing? Is it because my integrated is fucking dying or is it because Windows is retarded?
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On May 07 2014 05:04 aBstractx wrote:
i pay for all this internet but yet, it doesnt seem as good as the results i get. it often doesnt work and sc2 the only game i really play is very, very choppy. any reason behind this? considering switching isps, i mean id rather have 30 down 10 up if it was stable all the time and worked well
There's a lot more at play than just raw, sustained speeds. Jitter on the line, lossy reception in general, throttling or de-prioritized traffic by any chain in the connection (most commonly by your direct ISP), router/modem issues, NIC / WIFI issues.
You have to first find a way to reproduce the issue so that you can measure it with things like continuous pings and route tracing.
On May 07 2014 05:52 skyR wrote:
Why is it that my Windows audio keeps crashing? Is it because my integrated is fucking dying or is it because Windows is retarded?
My bet is a driver issue.
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What do you guys think of this build? I am looking to build a windows machine to replace my iMac for general use and gaming (LoL mostly). Is there anything I should change to be more optimal? I am a noob at this Thanks.
Get a cheaper MB and don't buy Windows 8! Overall its a great system, but little overkill if you only play Casualgames like that.
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Aside from GUI changes (which I can understand that people don't like), I've heard that W8 is W7 but better.
On May 07 2014 05:52 skyR wrote:
Why is it that my Windows audio keeps crashing? Is it because my integrated is fucking dying or is it because Windows is retarded?
I would also guess on that it is a driver issue
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W8 has several advantages and I think the biggest one is that you get AVX instructions (AVX2 as well?) right out of the box with W8, which makes encoding x264 much easier on the CPU. We're talking serious performance gains, 40% encoding. To get AVX in W7 you need to download Windows Service Pack 1 and install it. I think W8 boots faster and is a lighter OS overall? The start menu can be brought back in W8 by downloading something, Skyr mentions it all the time, I think it's start8.com or something (is it http://www.classicstart8.com/ ?).
I feel like overall W8 is slightly better? But W7 is still quite good? It comes down to the user really, you can just shit on either OS, imo.
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I use this one, "Classic Shell": http://www.classicshell.net/
I think I actually like ClassicShell better than the original menu on 7 (has a lot of options).
There's also a paid one "Start8" that a lot of people like.
I also used Windows 8 for something like six months without any start menu replacement and did not die. I can see how some people might actually like it. You can set it up to boot to a nice screen with large icons for your games and stuff. The weird full-screen apps are perhaps great to use a service like Netflix, better than using a web browser on the desktop.
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On May 07 2014 16:47 Ropid wrote:I use this one, "Classic Shell": http://www.classicshell.net/I think I actually like ClassicShell better than the original menu on 7 (has a lot of options). There's also a paid one "Start8" that a lot of people like. I also used Windows 8 for something like six months without any start menu replacement and did not die. I can see how some people might actually like it. You can set it up to boot to a nice screen with large icons for your games and stuff. The weird full-screen apps are perhaps great to use a service like Netflix, better than using a web browser on the desktop.
Saw this and was going to download it... Then I realized I don't actually need to anymore. I've adjusted to w8 (doesn't hurt that I have a w8 tablet as well) and don't have any problems anymore. I did hate w8 at first and don't think the interface (on pc) is better than 7.
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Yeah, I can also live with Win8 like it is by default. I just tried that tool when I was searching for something to recommend to a friend and then just stayed with it. 
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On May 07 2014 16:24 Incognoto wrote:W8 has several advantages and I think the biggest one is that you get AVX instructions (AVX2 as well?) right out of the box with W8, which makes encoding x264 much easier on the CPU. We're talking serious performance gains, 40% encoding. To get AVX in W7 you need to download Windows Service Pack 1 and install it. I think W8 boots faster and is a lighter OS overall? The start menu can be brought back in W8 by downloading something, Skyr mentions it all the time, I think it's start8.com or something (is it http://www.classicstart8.com/ ?). I feel like overall W8 is slightly better? But W7 is still quite good? It comes down to the user really, you can just shit on either OS, imo.
It shouldn't be that much of a difference.. and EVERYONE needs windows 7 service pack 1 anyway, it's not even an option to run it vanilla without updates pretty much.
If you're using a CPU released since ~2011 and you don't have OS support for AVX instructions.. what are you even doing
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