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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Cainam
United States421 Posts
Edit: Any specific tips on a better motherboard/monitor? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
It's 4smm +1gb vram (rated 5ghz) vs 5smm +2gb vram (rated ~5400) at ~27% higher price here.. i guess it makes sense to get the TI Edit: Any specific tips on a better motherboard/monitor? Most mobo's are ok, just small differences (there's near-bottom but not bottom end z87 from most manufacturers, like the z87x-d3h) Monitor, depends what you want. Usually a choice between ~1440p IPS or a fast 1080p tn monitor (120hz, strobe backlight etc) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Man, these architechtural discussions are gibberish to me. From the little I understand though, Maxwell uses SMM "compute clusters" while Kepler used SMX. One SMM cluster has 128 shader cores ( 4 x 32 ) and one SMX cluster has 192 shader cores. The difference between the two clusters is that SMM is divided into 4 smaller sections which allows them to work more efficiently (I'm guessing parallel work-loads and stuff like that?) than one HUGE block of 192 cores. An SMM cluster might be less powerful than an SMX cluster on paper (due to less shader cores in absolute value) however I'm guessing that overall an SMM is more efficient in terms of power consumption. Other things need to be taken into account though, like how SMM cluster has a bigger cache than an SMX cluster. Anyway, the GM107 is the PCB's name right? Something like that? Kind of like how the 780, the 780 Ti and the Titan are all based on GK110. The difference between the three cards is based on the amount of SMX clusters they had operational (something like that). Hmm, that sounds about right. It's easier to understand something if you attempt to explain it yourself; if I got anything wrong or left out some details, just gimme a holler. Edit: Myrmidon's post last page makes about 20% more sense to me now. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
G = Graphics Core F,K,M = Architecture (Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, ect) Mind Blown Right? Anyways each SMM (what SMX got renamed to) has higher effective memory throughput compared to a Kepler SMX (L2 Cache grown over 1600%, 128-bit 5Ghz GDDR5 feeding 128 shader cores instead of 192). Gotta keep them cores fed. Which is probably where most of the efficiency gains came from. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Performance has kind of stagnated in some ways with the SATA3 interface being a bottleneck. If you're not writing huge amounts of data to it every day while filling it up close to 100% or perhaps writing large sequential chunks like for working with uncompressed video or something, the performance on almost everything is great. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Stock bios is garbage. Cant wait to pop in the modded. I'm hitting 1350 BC with just 1.137v. http://cdn.overclock.net/0/02/02357d60_00004.png wow, insane GPU's. 1350@1.137. Many gk104's don't quite hit 1300 at 1.212. The clocks are high, but they'll still probably consume very little power until they get to >1.2v range, like Kepler. People ran 1.25-1.3v quite often with little to no negative consequences (with some extreme benching on cold water at 1.4-~1.5v) so i don't think these kinds of volts/clocks will be an issue. It's obviously clocked extremely conservatively out of the box Uploading a shadowplay of it in Battlefield 4 Multiplayer. Full 64 man server, 1080P, Custom ultra with no MSAA, Oman 2014.. Right around 60fps | ||
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Cainam
United States421 Posts
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (Purchased For $59.99) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Best Buy) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon) Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($26.97 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg) Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($167.58 @ Newegg) Total: $1269.46 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-19 22:25 EST-0500) The monitor is my only question mark. If you guys have any suggestions for a better one in the <$200 price range I'm all ears | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
$558 ($537 after mail in rebate) vs your current $220+$115+$260 = $595 I mean if you're going to go for a 840 Pro, you may as well go for a better case and monitor. You're also missing a heatsink. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Cainam
United States421 Posts
On February 20 2014 12:57 skyR wrote: Is there a particular reason you're buying a Samsung 840 Pro? If there is no particular reason then I'd get this combo instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461967 $558 ($537 after mail in rebate) vs your current $220+$115+$260 = $595 I mean if you're going to go for a 840 Pro, you may as well go for a better case and monitor. You're also missing a heatsink. Thanks for that. Makes way more sense. If I don't plan on overclocking at this time is the stock heat sink enough? On February 20 2014 13:06 Cyro wrote: I've never heard of that biostar board before (or seen anyone using it on ocn) It seems good from the reviews I've read. If you have any suggestions for something better in a similar price area I'm open to suggestions! I only started really researching this stuff a few days ago, I still feel pretty clueless. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
z87x-d3h, that msi board second up from bottom, g43? Some asus boards are good but their sensors are confusing, it's hard to tell if voltages are dropping properly etc. You can get the lower end boards but it's tempting to get the not-quite-bottom-tier like z87x-d3h because they're actually really great boards (you can for example run however extreme an overclock you want on one, the CPU would die before the board was struggling), just without many premium features Biostar for z87.. i've heard the name a few times, but literally nobody on OCN threads actually uses it | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On February 20 2014 15:42 Rollin wrote: If you're not planning on overclocking when you build, don't ever overclock. It's that simple. Buying overclocked gear without a heatsink is a waste of money. Buying overclocked gear with a heatsink and don't overclock is a even more waste of money. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1952 Posts
Right now, i am running a system with an Intel Core 2 Duo, 3 GB DDR2, Geforce GTS250, and stuff around those 3 that make sense. The system is about 6 years old, i am not too sure on the specs and i am not in front of it right now. Anyway, anything new brings it to it's limitations, so, whatever i am trying to play right now is basically limited by the system already. SO buying something new is the obvious solution, HOWEVER, i really don't like to buy hardware between major upgrades. With the limitations of week consoles gone, i am expecting a huge jump in technology in the next year or so and i really want to play Star Citizen on a computer that is just below the very best for that time. And i fear that if i buy right now, i am either paying horrendously too much for that, or getting a weak system. What is your budget? I like to buy the solution that is below the very very best at the moment, as you usually pay extra for the last step. Back with my last computer, the solution was a GTS 8800. So, the budget is ammendable. However, i usually pay around 1000€ for my system, without periphery hardware. What is your monitor's native resolution? My monitor right now is a pretty cheap 23", the next one is gonna be better, the system should be able to handle at least 1600-xxxx. I also want to use the oculus rift when it comes out. What games do you intend to play on this computer? StarCitizen + mostly strategy games and RPGs. So, Star Citizen is the bottleneck :D What settings? It should look good. At least for a year i should be able to play everything out there with almost everything on full/high. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing. Do you intend to overclock? No, i usually don't. Hardware that is sold already overclocked is okay but i don't want to find the exact limits of the hardware by pushing a slider to the right. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? If it helps. As far as i have understood it by now, SLI/Crossfire is only needed if you want to create something even faster then the very best single-card-solution. I don't need that. Do you need an operating system? I am still running WinXP, so yes, but that money has nothing to do with the money for the PC. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I don't, i am buying what is best right now. What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Nope. The most important question is whether to upgrade at all. I've checked for announcements for new CPU or GPU generations but did not find any. I would usually buy stuff when the new generation is driving the prices of performance down. If there is nothing to come, there is no reason to wait. And if the jump with the new generation isn't significant anyway, there is no reason to wait either. Right now, when i play games like DayZ, i am in a big disadvantage because i get so few fps. So i would want to upgrade, but only if the system would still be able to handle games in a year and is still affordable. Any suggestions? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
By that time we'll know more what's going on with CPU front etc. It might be the case that not much changes there (if it's late 2014 to early 2015) We don't have too widely detailed info for star citizen performance yet, so hard to say for that too (other than buy big) | ||
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