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skyR
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Cyro
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Broetchenholer
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AMD FX-9590 Processor ASUS CROSSHAIR V FORMULA-Z Mainboard Kingston_HyperX/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-2400_Quad-Kit RAM Thermaltake SpinQ_VT CPU-Cooler Corsair ForceGS_2,5_SSD_180_GB HD ASUS R9_280X-DC2T-3GD5 graphics be_quiet! Pure_Power_L7_530W As far as i see it, i could save some money on the mainboard cause i don't need Crossfire, any glaring weaknesses? It's quite comfortably above 1000€, 1212€ on alternate, but apart from that, if i would build a system right now, would that one be reasonable? | ||
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skyR
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
If you go the Intel route, you might get away without overclocking and still have the FX-9590 beat. You will be free to choose the cheapest motherboard you want and you don't need a CPU cooler. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
16gb RAM? What's build for etc, can attack it then. Gaming? Which games? 1080p60fps? (or 1080p@150fps, 1440p @60, etc, what's expectation?) Ninja'd by Ropid | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
So i don't need 16GB ram for stuff right now? Interesting. To be honest, my expectations are usually not that high. There was about 6 months in my live when i was able to actually play the highest demanding game of the time with the highest specs, back when my 8800 gts was the second best card on the market and Crysis was the game to benchmark with. So, if a game runs on medium settings with 40 frames i am a happy camper. That said, for Star Citizen i am aiming a bit higher, cause if i buy an oculus rift for that one game, the rest of my rig should be somewhat adequate. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/0KmuHNW.png If you choose an i7-4770 as Star Citizen might use the eight threads, you're at 820 €. After choosing a case, you would be at 900 €. If you want to use all of your 1000 € budget, you could then choose a different graphics card or you could keep the money as you still need to buy a monitor and stuff. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
And why can't i use fast ram, isn't that a point for AMD then? I mean i don't really care for overclocked ram cause the benefit is really not that big, at least it wasn't when i last build a pc. But nobody ever tried to sell me a processor with the feature, uses slow but cheaper ram  Or is DDR3-2400 too fast for anything anyway and i would overpay for it? | ||
KwarK
United States44283 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
He said the processor is as good as i7-4770 but has a way higher tact-rate, which is superior for gaming, especially if the game is not optimized for multicoring. And the graphics card would be as fast as the nvidea titan but much cheaper. TBH sounds like a bit of an AMD fan; FX goes up against i5, not really i7. i7 is hardly better than i5 for most gaming situations, though. 280x won't "beat" a gk110 card* (780, 780ti) and titan was replaced a while ago by the 780ti (which is better in every way aside from fp64 which is useless for a gamer, and VRAM capacity which is useless for anyone who's not a niche user or using multiple of the highest end GPU's available to power a resolution ~3-6x 1080p for example) *It is more closely compared to the 770 I get the impression that he means/thinks r9 290 beats gk110 cards, there was a lot of hype in that area, they are clocked quite high at stock but they are rivals at best. There's great things to be said for both sides - it's a pretty even fight. 290's undercut 780's in some parts of europe and have good price performance; you also might want immediate Mantle support. Nvidia has the strongest single-GPU card in the 780ti, their cards support gamestream, g-sync, shadowplay etc. ^Most of that isn't relevant to you, unless you want to step over 280x/770 performance. A current i5 at stock consumes about 60w of power under high load (like encoding a video and maxing cpu) so the stock cooler actually works pretty good. It won't be louder than your graphics card if you have a current mid-high range card in there, not even close. Fast RAM is nice, Intel has a more efficient IMC by a big margin (more performance with the same RAM and settings) and also allows for clocking higher more consistently (~ddr3 2800 is a reasonable 24/7 target on Haswell.. but nothing else) but ultimately, RAM doesn't affect that much. It certainly doesn't make groundbreaking performance changes - for that, you'd look to a stronger GPU or CPU overclocking. It can be nice to grab a good kit for 10 euros more than a 1600c9 kit, but it's not at all worth getting the price-inflated ones. For a 1200 euro system, an FX CPU and a single 280x/770 would be dissapointing. My heart would be set on a 4670k with a step up on the GPU if it was doable (dem ~370 euro aftermarket r9 290's) | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On February 21 2014 00:36 Broetchenholer wrote: Okay wait, i don't need a cooler anymore for an intel processor? Or the retail cooler is sufficient? Or the retail cooler is sufficient, but if you don't want to die by earbleeding, you should get a silent one? And why can't i use fast ram, isn't that a point for AMD then? I mean i don't really care for overclocked ram cause the benefit is really not that big, at least it wasn't when i last build a pc. But nobody ever tried to sell me a processor with the feature, uses slow but cheaper ram Or is DDR3-2400 too fast for anything anyway and i would overpay for it?The stock cooler you get when you choose the "box" version of the CPU seems to be fine. People don't think it's loud. The fan has speed control and it only runs fast if the CPU needs it. I guess when playing games, it might not get noticed because the graphics card beats it in noise. Intel counts anything above 1600MHz memory speed as technically overclocking and the CPU can't do it. You would need to buy the CPU that has a "K" at the end (i7-4770K instead of i7-4770) and a board with Z87 chipset. The different CPU and board should add about 30 € if still staying with the cheapest stuff. It overall shouldn't make sense just for the faster memory. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 21 2014 01:15 KwarK wrote: New computer is assembled, running and is quite frankly erotic. However when I play dota2 my AMD Radeon HD 6670 goes to 100 degrees with 100% fan speed. Anything I can do about this? Got the correct drivers etc (downloaded the AMD tool that identifies your hardware and gets drivers for it), it's just old for two giant screens I think. Thoughts? Suggestions? An HD 6670 shouldn't be hitting 100C ever, much less at 100% fan speed. It doesn't matter how old it is or what you're making it do. Either those readings are incorrect (so what's GPU-Z or something say about clock speeds, voltage, and GPU load? Is it abnormally and obnoxiously loud?) or something's wrong with the cooler, like it's ridiculously clogged with dust or knocked loose a bit and barely making contact with the chip. Or the fan is broken or disconnected. Take a look at the card physically, especially while it's running. | ||
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KwarK
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Myrmidon
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Calanthe
United States148 Posts
edit: kwark on fiance's macbook | ||
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KwarK
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Ropid
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KwarK
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If I enable Graphics OverDrive I can set the GPU clock to 400 (range is 400-900, default is 800). I tried that but it still only got it to 93. | ||
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