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On January 28 2014 23:01 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 22:36 Ropid wrote:
What you chose was also for overclocking, but it was a generation old. The generation is the first digit of the product number (i7-2xxx, i7-3xxx, i7-4xxx). The overclocking capability is the "k" at the end.
So what you want is probably the i7-4770 and a H87, H81 or B85 board. The Z87 boards have the chip that can do overclocking and are usually more expensive. oh right! i always wanted to choose the non overclocked version, i probably just misclicked  Thanks for checking though! http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2J0H1I edited my parts, does this look better?
Antec 300 is a pretty dated case aka a bad choice at $60. NCIX US has the Antec P280 for $70: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=92566&promoid=1347 and the Corsair 330R for $70 as well: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=85697&promoid=1347 . Newegg has the Define R4 for $80: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020
You don't want 1333MHz memory at $145. Newegg has G.Skill 1866MHz cas10 for $140 (with promo code EMCPWHF28 , ends 1/30): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231528
You probably want 250GB Samsung 840 EVO since 120GB isn't much space. You may want to use a secondary SSD as the scratch disk if you max out on RAM.
You definitely want an ATX or mATX board with 4 DIMM slots so you can expand to 32GB of memory if necessary.
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Ah didn't realize the price point. I guess indeed, a H81 might be a bit silly. Something with more SATA ports and expansion slots (perhaps even RAID?) would indeed be more relevant.
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Out of curiosity: why is the antec 300 outdated? I have one from 3 years back, is there any compelling reason to replace it. I don't care that much about case so I"d assume not, I'm just curious why you said that.
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United States9452 Posts
At that price point, these days cases usually have (better) 2.5" drive mounting options, drive sleds, rotated hard drive mounting that is easier to access, toolless 5.25" bay mounting options and maybe also for the drives and maybe slot covers or something else, cable routing holes in the motherboard tray, cutout behind the CPU area of motherboard for installing aftermarket CPU cooler support brackets without removing the motherboard, better or more convenient dust filters / filtration system, painted interior, etc. Well, maybe some of the above. If it has all of the above, it's probably not $60, but most in that range will have most of the above.
Most of the things have to do with building and/or maintaining conveniences; switching out of a case is of course going to be more effort than keeping it.
edit: whoops, forgot the big one: power supply mounting and cutout (generally filtered) at bottom to allow for PSU intake from outside the case
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No routing holes, no tool-less, no bottom intake, traditional HDD mounting, and no USB3. No reason to replace it unless you can't fit a longer GPU or need to fit more HDDs. Not sure when they added backplate cutout to the Antec 300 but originally it didn't have a cutout. No reason to buy it either when you can get something that's a lot better for $10-$20 more.
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Is it Possible to Build a Gaming PC for $500? Went to parts picker and I just dont' see how..
We talking just the tower here.. i.e. not including Monitor, keyboard&mouse..
I ask because everyone always says I should be able to build a decent ENTRY level gaming PC for $500-800.. but when I ask for the build or when I build it myself its never even close to that figure..
I would like to play games such as Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron, Ass Creed III, Battelfield 3 on it. Other than that, the only other usage would be for general browsing and Office 2010 generic tasks. i.e. building PC Parts Build List in Excel.
Let me know!
oNe
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On January 29 2014 08:30 Phabeon wrote:
Is it Possible to Build a Gaming PC for $500? Went to parts picker and I just dont' see how..
We talking just the tower here.. i.e. not including Monitor, keyboard&mouse..
I ask because everyone always says I should be able to build a decent ENTRY level gaming PC for $500-800.. but when I ask for the build or when I build it myself its never even close to that figure..
I would like to play games such as Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron, Ass Creed III, Battelfield 3 on it. Other than that, the only other usage would be for general browsing and Office 2010 generic tasks. i.e. building PC Parts Build List in Excel.
Let me know!
oNe
There's a couple budget builds at $385 and $472 in OP - a little outdated parts and pricing now, but you can definately make a decent build in $500.
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HoLy Smokes!! This Truly is the greatest thread EVER!!! WOW, just WOW!! Been reading it.. obviously didn't get to that section yet, since its at the end.. ..
Question Tho: Will the Basic Gamer $385 and Budget Gamer $472 run games like TF: Fall Of Cybertron or Battlefield 3?
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oNe
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Looking to buy a power supply for a Lian-li pc-q27 and an i3 (no gpu). Im wondering if there are any modular solutions available that arent too pricy or if I should look into low wattage power supplies which wouldnt have too many cables in the first place.
Im in Canada, is the corsair CX430M the obvious choice when it goes on sale?
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
On January 29 2014 09:33 Phabeon wrote:
HoLy Smokes!! This Truly is the greatest thread EVER!!! WOW, just WOW!! Been reading it.. obviously didn't get to that section yet, since its at the end.. ..
Question Tho: Will the Basic Gamer $385 and Budget Gamer $472 run games like TF: Fall Of Cybertron or Battlefield 3?
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oNe
They're out of date now, stuff like price changes alone (2x4gb of RAM isn't $50 any more) matter a lot at lower price points, but you/we can make one, yea
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On January 29 2014 09:59 Ata wrote:
Looking to buy a power supply for a Lian-li pc-q27 and an i3 (no gpu). Im wondering if there are any modular solutions available that arent too pricy or if I should look into low wattage power supplies which wouldnt have too many cables in the first place.
Im in Canada, is the corsair CX430M the obvious choice when it goes on sale?
430w rated psu is an awful lot for a system probably under 100w counting everything at gaming load
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I realize that, but what are my options? Even a 300W seasonic is going to be way too much. I am not knowledgeable on what’s available under the 400~ mark if you could enlighten me.
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United States44439 Posts
So for my setup
Processor (CPU)
i5-2400 salvaged from current PC
Motherboard
I'm not entirely sure what I have here but I believe the motherboard is the bit it's all attached to so I'm just going to try and delicately pack and take that with me, will need help there
Memory (RAM)
2x 8GB sticks, one salvaged from current build, one new. Likely to be some kind of issues regarding what goes with the components I already have so will probably need help here too.
Video Card (GPU)
AMD RADEON HD6670 salvaged from current PC
Primary Storage
1T hard drive, the builds in the OP had primary and secondary storage, I'm not sure if I want this or why. Again, possible compatibility issues with what I have.
Power Supply (PSU)
Stolen from the budget gamer in the OP. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0092ML1SC?tag=tealiq-20
Case
Stolen from the budget gamer in the OP. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075
2 screens, something like
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79926&vpn=GW2255&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1347
Mouse and mousemat are small enough to take with me
Keyboard ought to be a cheap replacement but the internet seems to want like $20 for a generic shitty keyboard and it's not that big so I might just keep the one I'm used to although it is the grimiest most disgusting thing there ever has been.
So screens are like $220, RAM maybe $80, case $40, PSU $50 and it seems like I have a load of leftover budget. What happened here?
edit: just saw this post
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2014 14:45 MisterFred wrote:@KwarK Let's re-ignite those dreams: New Eve Online tower: ~$525-540 Monitors: $220-260 Other peripherals: $19-113 Old computer rebuild: $65-105 Shipping note: us.ncix.com offers free shipping if you are a new customer or get enough stuff, if I recall correctly. For newegg, shipping has been added into the price (where applicable). When building note: Take a little more time to ensure you haven't built up a static charge out there in New Mexico. Hot, dry air makes static shock more likely. Touch the metal on the case often to ground yourself. Tower = if that one guy I linked is any guide, this should be able to run up to twice as many EVE clients as you can currently run, though possibly as little as 1.5 as many. Graphics capability should be functionally worse (higher native resolution on the monitor) or significantly worse than currently, depending on if more clients = more graphics power or not. + Show Spoiler +Processor: fx-8320 ($160) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113285Why: 8 cores for cheap! It's actually the first time I've recommended this processor - but it seems to fit your needs better than the competitors. You can overclock it some if you want more oomph. Though the stock heatsink might get pretty loud if you do so. Mobo: Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 ($70) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128565Why: Cheap, still a decent reputation. Note: does not have a SATA 3 connector, so if you want to get an SSD later, you won't get full speeds out of it. If you need SATA 3, upgrade to this, with the bigger case ($10 more): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138372RAM: 2x8gb memory ($125) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148600Why: Yeah. That was expensive. RAM's prices are up, this the the cheap stuff  . If you don't revive your current computer over here, check into getting another stick of the 8gb you have now. GPU: your current 6670. Rely on the i5's integrated graphics for your old computer. Probably be enough for EVE online if you can drop graphics settings to "text-based mud". Which you'll probably be doing here as well. Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 for mATX motherboards like the gigabyte above. Bit Fenix Outlaw for ATX motherboards like the Biostar above. Same for rebuilding your current computer ($40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=fractal design core 1000&N=-1&isNodeId=1http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=82510&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKNKS-U3&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1347Why: Cheap, decent. PSU: Rosewill Green 630w ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200Why: I miss the old PSU discounts that were easy to find. This PSU is overwatted, but quality & cheap. Don't pay more than $60 for it if the special disappears. If you need to replace the PSU for your old i5, look to something like an Antec Basiq 450w. HDD: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue ($68) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&vpn=WD10EZEX&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1347Why: I just can't bring myself to recommend 500gb when the savings is so low (~$10-15) Second note: I haven't used a lot of us.ncix.com links - but if you can't find the price I'm listing on newegg.com when you buy, check that site next. Monitors + Show Spoiler +Honestly, I didn't try all that hard here, as how big, how varied, etc, you want to go with monitors can change a lot. Heck, I don't even know the video outs on your old computers mobo. But... 2x BenQ gw2255 (1920x1080, 21.5" screen @$110) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79926&vpn=GW2255&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1347Why: DVI input is common, MVA is a bit better than ordinary TN panels, cheap, still 1920x1080 resolution, 22" seemed like a decent size for having a few on your desk. Perhaps you'd prefer one of these and a 24-incher, or 2 24-inchers (sometimes on sale for only $130) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299I dunno. To me, monitor setup can be very personal. Those BenQ panels are pretty nice for how cheap they are, though. Other Peripherals + Show Spoiler +Old computer rebuild + Show Spoiler +Total: $830 ($765 or even down near your original $700 w/o old computer rebuild) to $1020 (with old computer rebuild, and the most expensive choice every time I offer you a choice.) And in general note that there's still next-to-no GPU power in either potential system.
Crazy helpful. Looks like I can build an awesome new setup pretty much from scratch on my current budget.
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On January 29 2014 10:35 Ata wrote:
I realize that, but what are my options? Even a 300W seasonic is going to be way too much. I am not knowledgeable on what’s available under the 400~ mark if you could enlighten me.
Corsair CX430M doesn't go on sale often.
You don't have much options for modular units at ~400w. Most are either old units that are mostly out of stock or high end units. There are a lot of new units on the horizon like the Corsair CS450M, XFX XTR 550, Antec Neo Eco 450M but who the hell knows when they'll be released or even be in stock
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On January 29 2014 10:42 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So for my setup Processor (CPU) i5-2400 salvaged from current PC Motherboard I'm not entirely sure what I have here but I believe the motherboard is the bit it's all attached to so I'm just going to try and delicately pack and take that with me, will need help there Memory (RAM) 2x 8GB sticks, one salvaged from current build, one new. Likely to be some kind of issues regarding what goes with the components I already have so will probably need help here too. Video Card (GPU) AMD RADEON HD6670 salvaged from current PC Primary Storage 1T hard drive, the builds in the OP had primary and secondary storage, I'm not sure if I want this or why. Again, possible compatibility issues with what I have. Power Supply (PSU) Stolen from the budget gamer in the OP. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0092ML1SC?tag=tealiq-20Case Stolen from the budget gamer in the OP. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168111460752 screens, something like http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79926&vpn=GW2255&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1347Mouse and mousemat are small enough to take with me Keyboard ought to be a cheap replacement but the internet seems to want like $20 for a generic shitty keyboard and it's not that big so I might just keep the one I'm used to although it is the grimiest most disgusting thing there ever has been. So screens are like $220, RAM maybe $80, case $40, PSU $50 and it seems like I have a load of leftover budget. What happened here? edit: just saw this post + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2014 14:45 MisterFred wrote:@KwarK Let's re-ignite those dreams: New Eve Online tower: ~$525-540 Monitors: $220-260 Other peripherals: $19-113 Old computer rebuild: $65-105 Shipping note: us.ncix.com offers free shipping if you are a new customer or get enough stuff, if I recall correctly. For newegg, shipping has been added into the price (where applicable). When building note: Take a little more time to ensure you haven't built up a static charge out there in New Mexico. Hot, dry air makes static shock more likely. Touch the metal on the case often to ground yourself. Tower = if that one guy I linked is any guide, this should be able to run up to twice as many EVE clients as you can currently run, though possibly as little as 1.5 as many. Graphics capability should be functionally worse (higher native resolution on the monitor) or significantly worse than currently, depending on if more clients = more graphics power or not. + Show Spoiler +Processor: fx-8320 ($160) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113285Why: 8 cores for cheap! It's actually the first time I've recommended this processor - but it seems to fit your needs better than the competitors. You can overclock it some if you want more oomph. Though the stock heatsink might get pretty loud if you do so. Mobo: Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 ($70) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128565Why: Cheap, still a decent reputation. Note: does not have a SATA 3 connector, so if you want to get an SSD later, you won't get full speeds out of it. If you need SATA 3, upgrade to this, with the bigger case ($10 more): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138372RAM: 2x8gb memory ($125) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148600Why: Yeah. That was expensive. RAM's prices are up, this the the cheap stuff . If you don't revive your current computer over here, check into getting another stick of the 8gb you have now. GPU: your current 6670. Rely on the i5's integrated graphics for your old computer. Probably be enough for EVE online if you can drop graphics settings to "text-based mud". Which you'll probably be doing here as well. Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 for mATX motherboards like the gigabyte above. Bit Fenix Outlaw for ATX motherboards like the Biostar above. Same for rebuilding your current computer ($40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=fractal design core 1000&N=-1&isNodeId=1http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=82510&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKNKS-U3&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1347Why: Cheap, decent. PSU: Rosewill Green 630w ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200Why: I miss the old PSU discounts that were easy to find. This PSU is overwatted, but quality & cheap. Don't pay more than $60 for it if the special disappears. If you need to replace the PSU for your old i5, look to something like an Antec Basiq 450w. HDD: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue ($68) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&vpn=WD10EZEX&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1347Why: I just can't bring myself to recommend 500gb when the savings is so low (~$10-15) Second note: I haven't used a lot of us.ncix.com links - but if you can't find the price I'm listing on newegg.com when you buy, check that site next. Monitors + Show Spoiler +Honestly, I didn't try all that hard here, as how big, how varied, etc, you want to go with monitors can change a lot. Heck, I don't even know the video outs on your old computers mobo. But... 2x BenQ gw2255 (1920x1080, 21.5" screen @$110) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79926&vpn=GW2255&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1347Why: DVI input is common, MVA is a bit better than ordinary TN panels, cheap, still 1920x1080 resolution, 22" seemed like a decent size for having a few on your desk. Perhaps you'd prefer one of these and a 24-incher, or 2 24-inchers (sometimes on sale for only $130) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299I dunno. To me, monitor setup can be very personal. Those BenQ panels are pretty nice for how cheap they are, though. Other Peripherals + Show Spoiler +Old computer rebuild + Show Spoiler +Total: $830 ($765 or even down near your original $700 w/o old computer rebuild) to $1020 (with old computer rebuild, and the most expensive choice every time I offer you a choice.) And in general note that there's still next-to-no GPU power in either potential system. Crazy helpful.
If your current motherboard is mATX, you may want the slightly less expensive Fractal Desgin Core 1000 instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032
Most of the builds in the OP have an SSD and HDD. Most individuals can't fit everything on a 128 GB / 256 GB SSD so a secondary drive is necessary for storing media / huge Steam library / etc.
If you have leftover budget, you may want to consider replacing the Corsair CX430 with the significantly better Rosewill Capstone 450: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
You may also want to consider better monitors or even a third monitor.
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I guess it doesnt matter if its not modular if that gives me options in the <300w range.
but in terms of CX430M @ $50 vs SeaSonic SS-300ET Bronze 300W @ $50, should I still go with the Seasonic? Or are there better non modular options?
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Was considering just following MisterFred's post to the letter and only salvaging the GPU and the RAM, both because it seemed easier and because it looks more powerful (8 cores sounds like more cores than I currently have !!!).
Although I was confused by this "GPU: your current 6670. Rely on the i5's integrated graphics for your old computer. Probably be enough for EVE online if you can drop graphics settings to "text-based mud". Which you'll probably be doing here as well."
Is MisterFred advocating I bring the old computer parts too, build a new computer and a zombie of the the old one and have the pair run side by side?
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On January 29 2014 11:06 Ata wrote:
I guess it doesnt matter if its not modular if that gives me options in the <300w range.
but in terms of CX430M @ $50 vs SeaSonic SS-300ET Bronze 300W @ $50, should I still go with the Seasonic? Or are there better non modular options?
If it doesn't have to be modular than you could just get the Corsair CX430 for $20 after mail in rebate?
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On January 29 2014 11:08 KwarK wrote:
Was considering just following MisterFred's post to the letter and only salvaging the GPU and the RAM, both because it seemed easier and because it looks more powerful (8 cores sounds like more cores than I currently have !!!).
Although I was confused by this "GPU: your current 6670. Rely on the i5's integrated graphics for your old computer. Probably be enough for EVE online if you can drop graphics settings to "text-based mud". Which you'll probably be doing here as well."
Is MisterFred advocating I bring the old computer parts too, build a new computer and a zombie of the the old one and have the pair run side by side?
Yes that's what he's suggesting. You would use your current 6670 in the new build and your old build would run off the integrated graphics.
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