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United Kingdom20322 Posts
So my dreams of using the cheaper components in the land of the free to run twice as many Eve clients as I currently do were unrealistic but I ought to be able to basically rebuild what I currently have? :'(
A better CPU would require an lga1150 motherboard, as well as the entire cost of the CPU. Probably a 4770 as i5 to i5 sandy to haswell isn't the best upgrade and more threads would probably help, etc. That kind of stuff is like $350+, for just the cpu and mobo.. no case, psu, ram, gpu, etc. What GPU do you have? Regardless of how stuff is, if you want two screens in a $700 budget and any kind of upgrade, you gotta salvage quite a few things and focus upgrade
Judging from some of those comments, you'd want another 8gb of RAM maybe. But sounds pointless if you're CPU limited, and i really don't like stock sandy bridge to stock haswell upgrade if you have a functional i5-2400 and lga1155 mobo (not haswell compatible)
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If you salvage almost everything, you might be able to build a second bare-bones box & run two computers at once. I'm not sure if that's possible with where you're going to be living, etc, but it's an idea. (Where is that, by the way? If it's near a store called Microcenter, it'd be easier to fit that second computer into your budget.
Alternatively, you could try & find a used i7-2600 (or the equivalent Xeon) & stick that into your current setup - all of that hoping hyperthreading makes a big difference because of pretend extra cores. Expensive idea just to add hyperthreading though. (Basically Cyro below is right)
Edit: Regarding the 6670. It's about a $50 video card. Which you might as well salvage unless you're leaving behind $50 worth of socks or something instead of it. As you don't care that much about your EVE online graphics quality, it's still going to be better than integrated graphics.
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
I think it would be very hard to find value in upgrading i5 to i7
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United States43337 Posts
Will be living near Albuquerque. Regarding just running a second basic computer alongside the first, is there any reason not to do that beyond having to double up peripherals which isn't a huge cost. Also how do we feel about second hand components/computers?
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What about an FX 8350 or something? Would that work?
Assuming it doesn't, and also assuming that RAM and good multi-threaded performance is what's needed, what about something along these lines:
Reuse everything from before: case, PSU, HDD and DVD drive, and if possible the 8 Gb stick of RAM. Then this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2IAY9
Basically a stock 4770 on a B85 board with 4 RAM slots. You buy 16 Gb of RAM and put 3x8 Gb of RAM in the system. I think that should work out, but the RAM needs to work together, not sure if it has something to do with memory speed (1333 over 1600) or something else. GTX 650 Ti is a pretty decent entry level GPU that isn't too costly and should (without any problem) run the games mentioned.
Or am I missing the point?
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
What about an FX 8350 or something? Would that work?
expensive, still going through cpu+mobo cost etc. It's an option, considering threaded tasks
I think 16gb RAM maybe (but maybe not without upgraded cpu)
Your budget there is also $630 before 2 screens and any peripherals (what do screens cost over there? i assume much cheaper than here, so like $100 for a 60hz tn?)
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United States43337 Posts
Say I make it $1000 and start with an 8GB RAM stick, the Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz 3.10GHz, the hard drive and the AMD RADEON HD6670, can you make my dreams come true?
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
overclocked haswell and another 8gb stick would be nice ;p
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Maybe. $1000 is a LOT more doable. But I'm off to work. I'll dream with you later today. Regarding downsides of running two computers: putting two computers somewhere, slightly increased power bill, shoving the duplicated peripherals onto the same desk, etc.
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On January 28 2014 05:41 KwarK wrote:
Say I make it $1000 and start with an 8GB RAM stick, the Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz 3.10GHz, the hard drive and the AMD RADEON HD6670, can you make my dreams come true?
Can't you also try taking your motherboard with you? You could skip using its box, have the board in the antistatic bag it came in put between your clothes. You could leave the CPU in the socket, only remove the CPU cooler. It would be pretty flat without box and won't use up a lot of room.
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@KwarK
Let's re-ignite those dreams:
New Eve Online tower: ~$525-540
Monitors: $220-260
Other peripherals: $19-113
Old computer rebuild: $65-105
Shipping note: us.ncix.com offers free shipping if you are a new customer or get enough stuff, if I recall correctly. For newegg, shipping has been added into the price (where applicable).
When building note: Take a little more time to ensure you haven't built up a static charge out there in New Mexico. Hot, dry air makes static shock more likely. Touch the metal on the case often to ground yourself.
Tower = if that one guy I linked is any guide, this should be able to run up to twice as many EVE clients as you can currently run, though possibly as little as 1.5 as many. Graphics capability should be functionally worse (higher native resolution on the monitor) or significantly worse than currently, depending on if more clients = more graphics power or not.
+ Show Spoiler +Processor: fx-8320 ($160) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113285Why: 8 cores for cheap! It's actually the first time I've recommended this processor - but it seems to fit your needs better than the competitors. You can overclock it some if you want more oomph. Though the stock heatsink might get pretty loud if you do so. Mobo: Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 ($70) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128565Why: Cheap, still a decent reputation. Note: does not have a SATA 3 connector, so if you want to get an SSD later, you won't get full speeds out of it. If you need SATA 3, upgrade to this, with the bigger case ($10 more): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138372RAM: 2x8gb memory ($125) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148600Why: Yeah. That was expensive. RAM's prices are up, this the the cheap stuff  . If you don't revive your current computer over here, check into getting another stick of the 8gb you have now. GPU: your current 6670. Rely on the i5's integrated graphics for your old computer. Probably be enough for EVE online if you can drop graphics settings to "text-based mud". Which you'll probably be doing here as well. Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 for mATX motherboards like the gigabyte above. Bit Fenix Outlaw for ATX motherboards like the Biostar above. Same for rebuilding your current computer ($40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=fractal design core 1000&N=-1&isNodeId=1http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=82510&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKNKS-U3&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1347Why: Cheap, decent. PSU: Rosewill Green 630w ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200Why: I miss the old PSU discounts that were easy to find. This PSU is overwatted, but quality & cheap. Don't pay more than $60 for it if the special disappears. If you need to replace the PSU for your old i5, look to something like an Antec Basiq 450w. HDD: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue ($68) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&vpn=WD10EZEX&manufacture=Western Digital WD&promoid=1347Why: I just can't bring myself to recommend 500gb when the savings is so low (~$10-15) Second note: I haven't used a lot of us.ncix.com links - but if you can't find the price I'm listing on newegg.com when you buy, check that site next.
Monitors
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly, I didn't try all that hard here, as how big, how varied, etc, you want to go with monitors can change a lot. Heck, I don't even know the video outs on your old computers mobo. But... 2x BenQ gw2255 (1920x1080, 21.5" screen @$110) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79926&vpn=GW2255&manufacture=BenQ&promoid=1347Why: DVI input is common, MVA is a bit better than ordinary TN panels, cheap, still 1920x1080 resolution, 22" seemed like a decent size for having a few on your desk. Perhaps you'd prefer one of these and a 24-incher, or 2 24-inchers (sometimes on sale for only $130) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299I dunno. To me, monitor setup can be very personal. Those BenQ panels are pretty nice for how cheap they are, though.
Other Peripherals
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Old computer rebuild
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Total: $830 ($765 or even down near your original $700 w/o old computer rebuild) to $1020 (with old computer rebuild, and the most expensive choice every time I offer you a choice.)
And in general note that there's still next-to-no GPU power in either potential system.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
Hi guys!
2nd time that i'm going to build a computer - this time for a friend who needs a pretty good setup for pretty much exclusively doing Photoshop and digital art work!
Budget-wise, she's willing to spend enough to have a smooth running rig as long as Photoshop can handle hi res files smoothly, etc...
So I picked a bunch of parts - please tell me if this is a good choice of computer parts for her needs!
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($318.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($144.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($121.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($42.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.98 @ SuperBiiz) --- lol this is optional
Total: $1033.78
Thanks in advance  )
oh and she'll also be getting a Wacom Cintiq 24HD as a monitor.
I also haven't included a video card, because I wasn't sure if it was worth the small boost in performance for only some Photoshop functions (from what i've read, only certain things in photoshop can be processed by the GPU so i'm not sure if she needs one..)
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On January 28 2014 21:14 alffla wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi guys! 2nd time that i'm going to build a computer - this time for a friend who needs a pretty good setup for pretty much exclusively doing Photoshop and digital art work! Budget-wise, she's willing to spend enough to have a smooth running rig as long as Photoshop can handle hi res files smoothly, etc... So I picked a bunch of parts - please tell me if this is a good choice of computer parts for her needs! CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($318.98 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($144.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($121.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC) Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($42.92 @ Amazon) Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg) Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.98 @ SuperBiiz) --- lol this is optional Total: $1033.78 Thanks in advance ) oh and she'll also be getting a Wacom Cintiq 24HD as a monitor. I also haven't included a video card, because I wasn't sure if it was worth the small boost in performance for only some Photoshop functions (from what i've read, only certain things in photoshop can be processed by the GPU so i'm not sure if she needs one..)
Get a 4770K and a Gigabyte Z87X-D3H. And while your at it get at least a CM Hyper 212+/EVO so you can actually overclock some. Get 2133/2400 RAM if possible, prices are about the same as 1333/1600 RAM and photoshop can benefit.There is absolutely no reason to get a 840 Pro, you can get a 840 EVO or something like an Intel 530 (rated at 20GB/day for 5 Years) if your worried about endurance. Similarly get a Seagate ST2000M001 2TB HDD, no reason to spend more for less space when sequential read (which is what is going to be used to load files) are only 20-30MB/S higher on the Black Drive. I would get a nice case. Girls like nice cases.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 28 2014 21:28 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 21:14 alffla wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi guys! 2nd time that i'm going to build a computer - this time for a friend who needs a pretty good setup for pretty much exclusively doing Photoshop and digital art work! Budget-wise, she's willing to spend enough to have a smooth running rig as long as Photoshop can handle hi res files smoothly, etc... So I picked a bunch of parts - please tell me if this is a good choice of computer parts for her needs! CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($318.98 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($144.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($121.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.97 @ OutletPC) Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($42.92 @ Amazon) Case: Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg) Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.98 @ SuperBiiz) --- lol this is optional Total: $1033.78 Thanks in advance ) oh and she'll also be getting a Wacom Cintiq 24HD as a monitor. I also haven't included a video card, because I wasn't sure if it was worth the small boost in performance for only some Photoshop functions (from what i've read, only certain things in photoshop can be processed by the GPU so i'm not sure if she needs one..) Get a 4770K and a Gigabyte Z87X-D3H. And while your at it get at least a CM Hyper 212+/EVO so you can actually overclock some. Get 2133/2400 RAM if possible, prices are about the same as 1333/1600 RAM and photoshop can benefit.There is absolutely no reason to get a 840 Pro, you can get a 840 EVO or something like an Intel 530 (rated at 20GB/day for 5 Years) if your worried about endurance. Similarly get a Seagate ST2000M001 2TB HDD, no reason to spend more for less space when sequential read (which is what is going to be used to load files) are only 20-30MB/S higher on the Black Drive. I would get a nice case. Girls like nice cases.
LOL I don't think she'll need to overclock or anything though so perhaps I'll stick to the 3770?
But thanks for the suggestions about the SSD and HDD though! )
also lol @ nice cases
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What you chose was also for overclocking, but it was a generation old. The generation is the first digit of the product number (i7-2xxx, i7-3xxx, i7-4xxx). The overclocking capability is the "k" at the end.
So what you want is probably the i7-4770 and a H87, H81 or B85 board. The Z87 boards have the chip that can do overclocking and are usually more expensive.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 28 2014 22:36 Ropid wrote:
What you chose was also for overclocking, but it was a generation old. The generation is the first digit of the product number (i7-2xxx, i7-3xxx, i7-4xxx). The overclocking capability is the "k" at the end.
So what you want is probably the i7-4770 and a H87, H81 or B85 board. The Z87 boards have the chip that can do overclocking and are usually more expensive.
oh right! i always wanted to choose the non overclocked version, i probably just misclicked Thanks for checking though!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2J0H1
I edited my parts, does this look better?
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I would choose the Rosewill Capstone 450 PSU at newegg.com instead of the CX430. It uses better parts on the inside.
You should research what the software that will be used wants out of a graphics card for compute stuff. Basically, check if Photoshop uses OpenCL or CUDA. I think I heard AMD cards are better for OpenCL, and CUDA is something that's NVIDIA exclusive. The OpenGL drivers from NVIDIA should be the best. Also perhaps try to see what people report regarding stability and crashes and AMD vs. NVIDIA. I don't feel I can make a good suggestion, so wait on what other people say.
You could try to cheap out on the board a little? I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Check out the prices of boards from ASRock.
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$99 for an H87 board. I don't like it! :p
You have 2 sticks of RAM, 3 SATA devices (HDD, SSD, optical drive) and you'll need a PCIE x16 port (for the GPU) and finally you'll need a PCIE x1 port (for the wireless adapter).
A cheaper H81 board does just that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731
Don't you also need a GPU? That wasn't in that list of yours.
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I don't know about the cheap mATX board... the whole setup will get the Wacom Cintiq for $3000 added so it will in any case end up expensive. I'd rather buy something with all the expansion slots of ATX for that PC. The mATX board will have nothing free after graphics card and wireless PCI-E card.
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