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On November 27 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 06:13 synapse wrote:On November 27 2013 06:03 wei2coolman wrote:timings are different between the two. also, if you plan on buying either, be weary of voltage. 1.6V should be fine with most mobos, no? im using an asus M5A97 r2.0 Dunno what your situation is, but I think some of the haswell cpu's are only rated for 1.5, with 1.56 being the upper limit. I don't know the exact details, all I know is 1.5 is increasingly standard. Though it seems that some OC enthusiasts have no problem pushing 1.65v on their RAM for long periods of time. Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 06:14 Antoine wrote:
can you just stick 2 of the same 2x4gb kits together to make a 4x4gb kit? Yes.
Overclocking enthusiasts have been pushing ~1.7-1.8v 24/7 on their RAM and over 2.1 for benchmarking on haswell IMC. There's no reason to worry for 1.65 - i'd be much more worried about some of the XMP profiles adding +0.3v to system agent than i would about running 1.7v on the RAM
On November 27 2013 02:38 Thermia wrote:
Thinking about upgrading processor + motherboard and associated parts, just checking to make sure everything should work out okay:
What is your current build?
i7 920 @3.5 ghz, 560 ti, gigabyte ud3r motherboard (I think these are all the relevant parts, obviously I would be replacing ram etc. too).
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 + 1680x1050
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Recently with the release of Mists of Pandaria on WoW I've had issues running WoW and other programs at the same time (computer freezes completely for up to 30 seconds at a time) and it lags in some areas where I haven't had any issues running up to 3-4 copies of WoW at the same time before. I would also like to be able to stream games like LoL without any fps lag, while currently streaming lags my computer a bit.
What is your budget?
Pretty much whatever is required; I don't think it'll take more than $500 unless I also need a new video card or something.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US, Florida.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None
~i5 4670k (4770k if you wanna spend more money for not much reason atm; only a performance gain or a notable deal for streaming in a few games) and a mobo like z87x-d3h
What CPU cooler do you have atm?
This is a decent RAM kit deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231654 ($55)
Also sounds like you might be interested in an SSD. They help a lot for loading stuff (OS, games, folders) extremely quickly and there's a lot of stutters in operation caused by hard drive taking a second to do something (or freezing for 5 seconds while HDD spins up..) that's doesn't happen with os/files/games stored on them. ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (seems ok price on 120gb 840 evo)
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On November 27 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:On November 27 2013 06:13 synapse wrote:On November 27 2013 06:03 wei2coolman wrote:timings are different between the two. also, if you plan on buying either, be weary of voltage. 1.6V should be fine with most mobos, no? im using an asus M5A97 r2.0 Dunno what your situation is, but I think some of the haswell cpu's are only rated for 1.5, with 1.56 being the upper limit. I don't know the exact details, all I know is 1.5 is increasingly standard. Though it seems that some OC enthusiasts have no problem pushing 1.65v on their RAM for long periods of time. On November 27 2013 06:14 Antoine wrote:
can you just stick 2 of the same 2x4gb kits together to make a 4x4gb kit? Yes. Overclocking enthusiasts have been pushing ~1.7-1.8v 24/7 on their RAM and over 2.1 for benchmarking on haswell IMC. There's no reason to worry for 1.65 - i'd be much more worried about some of the XMP profiles adding +0.3v to system agent than i would about running 1.7v on the RAM Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 02:38 Thermia wrote:
Thinking about upgrading processor + motherboard and associated parts, just checking to make sure everything should work out okay:
What is your current build?
i7 920 @3.5 ghz, 560 ti, gigabyte ud3r motherboard (I think these are all the relevant parts, obviously I would be replacing ram etc. too).
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 + 1680x1050
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Recently with the release of Mists of Pandaria on WoW I've had issues running WoW and other programs at the same time (computer freezes completely for up to 30 seconds at a time) and it lags in some areas where I haven't had any issues running up to 3-4 copies of WoW at the same time before. I would also like to be able to stream games like LoL without any fps lag, while currently streaming lags my computer a bit.
What is your budget?
Pretty much whatever is required; I don't think it'll take more than $500 unless I also need a new video card or something.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US, Florida.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None
~i5 4670k (4770k if you wanna spend more money for not much reason atm; only a performance gain or a notable deal for streaming in a few games) and a mobo like z87x-d3h What CPU cooler do you have atm? This is a decent RAM kit deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231654 ($55)
I have the xigmatek dark knight 1366, I was counting on replacing it since as far as I know it's for 1366 sockets only?
And yeah, that's the cpu I was looking at (seems fairly standard), and the video card should be sufficient?
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Just request a 1155 mounting kit from Xigmatek.
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On November 27 2013 08:30 Thermia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:On November 27 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:On November 27 2013 06:13 synapse wrote:On November 27 2013 06:03 wei2coolman wrote:timings are different between the two. also, if you plan on buying either, be weary of voltage. 1.6V should be fine with most mobos, no? im using an asus M5A97 r2.0 Dunno what your situation is, but I think some of the haswell cpu's are only rated for 1.5, with 1.56 being the upper limit. I don't know the exact details, all I know is 1.5 is increasingly standard. Though it seems that some OC enthusiasts have no problem pushing 1.65v on their RAM for long periods of time. On November 27 2013 06:14 Antoine wrote:
can you just stick 2 of the same 2x4gb kits together to make a 4x4gb kit? Yes. Overclocking enthusiasts have been pushing ~1.7-1.8v 24/7 on their RAM and over 2.1 for benchmarking on haswell IMC. There's no reason to worry for 1.65 - i'd be much more worried about some of the XMP profiles adding +0.3v to system agent than i would about running 1.7v on the RAM On November 27 2013 02:38 Thermia wrote:
Thinking about upgrading processor + motherboard and associated parts, just checking to make sure everything should work out okay:
What is your current build?
i7 920 @3.5 ghz, 560 ti, gigabyte ud3r motherboard (I think these are all the relevant parts, obviously I would be replacing ram etc. too).
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 + 1680x1050
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Recently with the release of Mists of Pandaria on WoW I've had issues running WoW and other programs at the same time (computer freezes completely for up to 30 seconds at a time) and it lags in some areas where I haven't had any issues running up to 3-4 copies of WoW at the same time before. I would also like to be able to stream games like LoL without any fps lag, while currently streaming lags my computer a bit.
What is your budget?
Pretty much whatever is required; I don't think it'll take more than $500 unless I also need a new video card or something.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US, Florida.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None
~i5 4670k (4770k if you wanna spend more money for not much reason atm; only a performance gain or a notable deal for streaming in a few games) and a mobo like z87x-d3h What CPU cooler do you have atm? This is a decent RAM kit deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231654 ($55) I have the xigmatek dark knight 1366, I was counting on replacing it since as far as I know it's for 1366 sockets only? And yeah, that's the cpu I was looking at (seems fairly standard), and the video card should be sufficient?
Which video card?
Will quote this edit for visibility:
Also sounds like you might be interested in an SSD. They help a lot for loading stuff (OS, games, folders) extremely quickly and there's a lot of stutters in operation caused by hard drive taking a second to do something (or freezing for 5 seconds while HDD spins up..) that's doesn't happen with os/files/games stored on them. ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (seems ok price on 120gb 840 evo)
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On November 27 2013 08:35 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:30 Thermia wrote:On November 27 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:On November 27 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:On November 27 2013 06:13 synapse wrote:On November 27 2013 06:03 wei2coolman wrote:timings are different between the two. also, if you plan on buying either, be weary of voltage. 1.6V should be fine with most mobos, no? im using an asus M5A97 r2.0 Dunno what your situation is, but I think some of the haswell cpu's are only rated for 1.5, with 1.56 being the upper limit. I don't know the exact details, all I know is 1.5 is increasingly standard. Though it seems that some OC enthusiasts have no problem pushing 1.65v on their RAM for long periods of time. On November 27 2013 06:14 Antoine wrote:
can you just stick 2 of the same 2x4gb kits together to make a 4x4gb kit? Yes. Overclocking enthusiasts have been pushing ~1.7-1.8v 24/7 on their RAM and over 2.1 for benchmarking on haswell IMC. There's no reason to worry for 1.65 - i'd be much more worried about some of the XMP profiles adding +0.3v to system agent than i would about running 1.7v on the RAM On November 27 2013 02:38 Thermia wrote:
Thinking about upgrading processor + motherboard and associated parts, just checking to make sure everything should work out okay:
What is your current build?
i7 920 @3.5 ghz, 560 ti, gigabyte ud3r motherboard (I think these are all the relevant parts, obviously I would be replacing ram etc. too).
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 + 1680x1050
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Recently with the release of Mists of Pandaria on WoW I've had issues running WoW and other programs at the same time (computer freezes completely for up to 30 seconds at a time) and it lags in some areas where I haven't had any issues running up to 3-4 copies of WoW at the same time before. I would also like to be able to stream games like LoL without any fps lag, while currently streaming lags my computer a bit.
What is your budget?
Pretty much whatever is required; I don't think it'll take more than $500 unless I also need a new video card or something.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US, Florida.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None
~i5 4670k (4770k if you wanna spend more money for not much reason atm; only a performance gain or a notable deal for streaming in a few games) and a mobo like z87x-d3h What CPU cooler do you have atm? This is a decent RAM kit deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231654 ($55) I have the xigmatek dark knight 1366, I was counting on replacing it since as far as I know it's for 1366 sockets only? And yeah, that's the cpu I was looking at (seems fairly standard), and the video card should be sufficient? Which video card? Will quote this edit for visibility: Show nested quote +Also sounds like you might be interested in an SSD. They help a lot for loading stuff (OS, games, folders) extremely quickly and there's a lot of stutters in operation caused by hard drive taking a second to do something (or freezing for 5 seconds while HDD spins up..) that's doesn't happen with os/files/games stored on them. ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (seems ok price on 120gb 840 evo)
I currently have an EVGA 560 TI
I actually do have an ssd (samsung 840) that I bought a while ago for other reasons. The issues with WoW were present both before and after installing it and moving stuff over, unfortunately, but the decreased load times on other things and starting the computer up have been great.
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On November 27 2013 08:43 Thermia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:35 Cyro wrote:On November 27 2013 08:30 Thermia wrote:On November 27 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:On November 27 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:On November 27 2013 06:13 synapse wrote:On November 27 2013 06:03 wei2coolman wrote:timings are different between the two. also, if you plan on buying either, be weary of voltage. 1.6V should be fine with most mobos, no? im using an asus M5A97 r2.0 Dunno what your situation is, but I think some of the haswell cpu's are only rated for 1.5, with 1.56 being the upper limit. I don't know the exact details, all I know is 1.5 is increasingly standard. Though it seems that some OC enthusiasts have no problem pushing 1.65v on their RAM for long periods of time. On November 27 2013 06:14 Antoine wrote:
can you just stick 2 of the same 2x4gb kits together to make a 4x4gb kit? Yes. Overclocking enthusiasts have been pushing ~1.7-1.8v 24/7 on their RAM and over 2.1 for benchmarking on haswell IMC. There's no reason to worry for 1.65 - i'd be much more worried about some of the XMP profiles adding +0.3v to system agent than i would about running 1.7v on the RAM On November 27 2013 02:38 Thermia wrote:
Thinking about upgrading processor + motherboard and associated parts, just checking to make sure everything should work out okay:
What is your current build?
i7 920 @3.5 ghz, 560 ti, gigabyte ud3r motherboard (I think these are all the relevant parts, obviously I would be replacing ram etc. too).
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 + 1680x1050
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Recently with the release of Mists of Pandaria on WoW I've had issues running WoW and other programs at the same time (computer freezes completely for up to 30 seconds at a time) and it lags in some areas where I haven't had any issues running up to 3-4 copies of WoW at the same time before. I would also like to be able to stream games like LoL without any fps lag, while currently streaming lags my computer a bit.
What is your budget?
Pretty much whatever is required; I don't think it'll take more than $500 unless I also need a new video card or something.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US, Florida.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None
~i5 4670k (4770k if you wanna spend more money for not much reason atm; only a performance gain or a notable deal for streaming in a few games) and a mobo like z87x-d3h What CPU cooler do you have atm? This is a decent RAM kit deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231654 ($55) I have the xigmatek dark knight 1366, I was counting on replacing it since as far as I know it's for 1366 sockets only? And yeah, that's the cpu I was looking at (seems fairly standard), and the video card should be sufficient? Which video card? Will quote this edit for visibility: Also sounds like you might be interested in an SSD. They help a lot for loading stuff (OS, games, folders) extremely quickly and there's a lot of stutters in operation caused by hard drive taking a second to do something (or freezing for 5 seconds while HDD spins up..) that's doesn't happen with os/files/games stored on them. ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (seems ok price on 120gb 840 evo) I currently have an EVGA 560 TI I actually do have an ssd (samsung 840) that I bought a while ago for other reasons. The issues with WoW were present both before and after installing it and moving stuff over, unfortunately, but the decreased load times on other things and starting the computer up have been great.
Ah ok. I wonder why freezes are though.. hard lockups seems weird/bad.
560ti is still a decent card, if you want to swap it out for a higher end card of current gen, or a midrange of next gen in ~2h 2014, then you can do that anytime
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So, I know some companies offer brackets to put cpu coolers (the closed loop liquid ones, like corsair h100i) on gpu's, should there be any other cooling stuff that needs to be added onto the video card, other than that if that's the route I choose to go?
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That CLC stuff will just cool the GPU. You need heat-sinks and maybe a fan for the other parts on the card, RAM and VRM. The heat-sinks for those might all be a part of the original cooler, and all will come off in one piece when you remove it.
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Opinions on these two gpus for a non over clocked build with probably pretty poor airflow
In the case:
Powercolor 7870 for 115 AR
Msi 7870 for 130 AR
Both are ghz. Main differences are:
Dual fans on msi vs blower on powercolor
A slight difference in clock speeds, but minimal
General msi vs powercolor stuff
15 dollars difference.
Not going to be playing anything on too high settings or overclcking very highs, from my research the msi cooler is better assuming there is sufficient air flow in the case, which I'm not sure there is in my case. Basically I can't tell if I'm bt pushing the card much if there is any point in speeding te extra 15 bucks
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On November 27 2013 10:00 Ropid wrote:
That CLC stuff will just cool the GPU. You need heat-sinks and maybe a fan for the other parts on the card, RAM and VRM. The heat-sinks for those might all be a part of the original cooler, and all will come off in one piece when you remove it.
I remember back when I put aftermarket cooler on my geforce 8500gt there were additional mini heatsinks for memory, but wasn't sure how effective or how necessary it was.
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It should provide you thermal padding with adhesive tape to stick onto the vrm and ram from my experience replacing heatsinks.
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T_T i duno who to listen to. Skyr says Boxing day is better. Reddit says BF has better deals. Ack i hate life choices
Also I've been reading AMD gpus have been like slashing prices alot etc. On a 150-200 budget CAD what models should i look at for AMD. Sry if spamming so many GPU questions but thats like the bulk of the budget lols. Same thing about amd cores been seeing alot of things like fx8350
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Do people listen to Reddit? Never seen something good come out of it except for memes. ^^
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NCIX will have the Crucial M500 240GB for $140 on Black Friday. Lowest I've seen it.
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Ahh SSD's and markets, it cost me almost double that (uk though) for half the capacity with a weaker drive some years ago. $140 for 240gb. Yummy
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On November 27 2013 10:20 Dgiese wrote:Opinions on these two gpus for a non over clocked build with probably pretty poor airflow In the case: Powercolor 7870 for 115 ARMsi 7870 for 130 ARBoth are ghz. Main differences are: Dual fans on msi vs blower on powercolor A slight difference in clock speeds, but minimal General msi vs powercolor stuff 15 dollars difference. Not going to be playing anything on too high settings or overclcking very highs, from my research the msi cooler is better assuming there is sufficient air flow in the case, which I'm not sure there is in my case. Basically I can't tell if I'm bt pushing the card much if there is any point in speeding te extra 15 bucks
How poor airflow are we talking about? Blower fans tend to do OK in systems that are very airflow poor or have restrictive airflow; the open fan design is generally better in cases that are able to intake and exhaust a lot of air but without good intake/exhaust, it'll just spit hot air all around your case and create hot spots.
Edit:
Speaking of cooling, the Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15s are still the best heatsink/radiator fan right? Nothing new have eclipsed them in the noise/performance ratio right?
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On November 27 2013 21:26 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 10:20 Dgiese wrote:Opinions on these two gpus for a non over clocked build with probably pretty poor airflow In the case: Powercolor 7870 for 115 ARMsi 7870 for 130 ARBoth are ghz. Main differences are: Dual fans on msi vs blower on powercolor A slight difference in clock speeds, but minimal General msi vs powercolor stuff 15 dollars difference. Not going to be playing anything on too high settings or overclcking very highs, from my research the msi cooler is better assuming there is sufficient air flow in the case, which I'm not sure there is in my case. Basically I can't tell if I'm bt pushing the card much if there is any point in speeding te extra 15 bucks How poor airflow are we talking about? Blower fans tend to do OK in systems that are very airflow poor or have restrictive airflow; the open fan design is generally better in cases that are able to intake and exhaust a lot of air but without good intake/exhaust, it'll just spit hot air all around your case and create hot spots. Edit: Speaking of cooling, the Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15s are still the best heatsink/radiator fan right? Nothing new have eclipsed them in the noise/performance ratio right?
I bought a cheapass case, and it only has one rear exhaust fan. Although it does have a mesh front and a side intake. I went with the msi for piece of mind, longer warranty, better fan design, and I generally trust msi.
Airflow issues should be fine, I'll just make an effort to tidy up in there and grab an extra fan if necessary
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In games (not in some specific compute scenarios) if you have a PCIe x16 slot, 3.0 speeds make practically no difference over 2.x speeds for a graphics card.
Z77A-G41 is well below what you want for overclocking i5-3570k... and that's last generation. As a general motherboard it should be okay. Z77 chipset itself has the stuff you're talking about; it's not like the motherboard itself is contributing much of anything.
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On November 28 2013 03:41 Myrmidon wrote:
In games (not in some specific compute scenarios) if you have a PCIe x16 slot, 3.0 speeds make practically no difference over 2.x speeds for a graphics card.
Z77A-G41 is well below what you want for overclocking i5-3570k... and that's last generation. As a general motherboard it should be okay. Z77 chipset itself has the stuff you're talking about; it's not like the motherboard itself is contributing much of anything.
Guhhhh, why no good cpu sales this blackfriday? I might choose the fx 8320 then, since it's only 100usd @microcenter.
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