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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 25 2013 20:34 GMT
#2321
On November 26 2013 02:42 skyR wrote:
4770k will be available for $280 on Friday at Tigerdirect (Canada).

Retail Edge is also coming up soon, 4770k will be available for $79 for those that qualify.

adding onto the deals comment.
microcenter is having amd fx 8320 black edition for 99 USD, for instore pickup (from 11-29 to 12-1)
Fry's should pricematch, so if Fry's is closer by, show them the microcenter deal.
liftlift > tsm
Vearo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada168 Posts
November 25 2013 21:10 GMT
#2322
On November 26 2013 03:55 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 03:35 Vearo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I made a quick build for by friend as previously posted:

+ Show Spoiler [Requirements] +
On November 18 2013 03:33 Vearo wrote:
I am doing a build for a friend.

What is your budget?
800-900 CAD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
Two monitors at 1280x1024

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2 - High
StarCitizen - Medium?
Path of Exile - High

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Basic use (firefox, word processing)

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Yes, later

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Graphics card should be an NVidia 760, as per the note at the bottom.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preferences

Vearo's Notes
My friend really wants multi-monitor support. While the 760 is overkill, he plans on buying my 760 when I upgrade, and will use 3-4 monitors after that upgrade. I'll refer him to this thread if you have any arguments against using a 760 for his resolution(s). It is likely that the two additional monitors will be around 1280x1024. If he's able, he'll upgrade to 1920x1080 once he gets the second card.


+ Show Spoiler [Build] +

ASUS 24x DVD Burner - $17

Antec 300 Black - $60

EVGA 760 GTX - $260

WD 1TB HDD OEM - $65

Rosewill Capstone 650W - $100

GSkill Ripjaws X 2x4GB - $73

MSI Z87-G55 Mobo - $145

i5 4670 - $230

TOTAL: $951 pre tax/shipping


I'm quite sure that it could be better. I don't think I have any SATA cables for the hard drive, so should that be swapped for a non-OEM one? Is it wise to wait until Black Friday for deals?


SATA cables are provided with the motherboard (unless you purchase refurbished, open-box, or something that's not brand new).

Didn't we already go through this that you don't need SLI for multiple displays?

Z87-G55 is overkill if you're not going to overclock. If you just want SLI support, just grab the cheapest Z87.


Ok, thanks for the additional info.

In regards to SLI, my friend wants 3 monitor support now, and 6 down the line. While I know that a 760 can support 3+1 monitors, to my knowledge a single card system can't support six unless the motherboard can supply the additional displays. If the motherboard can, I'll tell him and 'downgrade' the build around a single card.

Sorry for not numbering the amount of monitors he's planning on using before, he was somewhat vague with his answers to me.
"Smooth as Pie" - Day[9]
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#2323
GTX 760 supports up to four displays as Nvidia doesn't support daisy chaining afaik. The motherboard can drive up to three displays in most cases and a cheap (~$40) card can drive two additional displays.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#2324
At the very least, if he wants 6 monitors 'down the line' then doesn't it make sense to wait to buy another card until he needs it? If its just 3 now, then get the one card, and in say 6 months when he wants more monitors he can get another card (which will be cheaper than if it was purchased now)
Vearo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada168 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 22:00:05
November 25 2013 21:59 GMT
#2325
On November 26 2013 06:33 skyR wrote:
GTX 760 supports up to four displays as Nvidia doesn't support daisy chaining afaik. The motherboard can drive up to three displays in most cases and a cheap (~$40) card can drive two additional displays.


So would just enabling the IGPU in the mobo/bios enable the motherboard to display in conjunction with the dedicated card? If so, then all he needs is a good single-card build. That would also mean that he doesn't need the 760 specifically and can go with anything appropriate.

Thanks for your continued help!

On November 26 2013 06:41 Dgiese wrote:
At the very least, if he wants 6 monitors 'down the line' then doesn't it make sense to wait to buy another card until he needs it? If its just 3 now, then get the one card, and in say 6 months when he wants more monitors he can get another card (which will be cheaper than if it was purchased now)


The original plan was that he'd buy my 760 once I was ready to upgrade.
"Smooth as Pie" - Day[9]
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 25 2013 22:31 GMT
#2326
Is it possible to use a GPU and motherboard's integrated graphics at the same time? I have a second crappy old VGA monitor I'd like to use but my 7970 has only a single analogic outlet so I can only use one VGA monitor at a time. When I tried to use motherboard's outlet for second monitor it didn't work. :p
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 25 2013 22:48 GMT
#2327
The modern Intel chipsets (Z87, H87, B85, H81, Z77, H77, Z68, H67, etc) support simultaneous use. On older chipsets, the IGP is automatically disabled when a dGPU is detected because from my understanding, it shares the same PCIe lanes as the first PCIe slot.
Vearo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada168 Posts
November 25 2013 23:57 GMT
#2328
On November 26 2013 07:48 skyR wrote:
The modern Intel chipsets (Z87, H87, B85, H81, Z77, H77, Z68, H67, etc) support simultaneous use. On older chipsets, the IGP is automatically disabled when a dGPU is detected because from my understanding, it shares the same PCIe lanes as the first PCIe slot.


Thank you for that information!

With that information, I have reduced the cost of my friends build:

+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS 24x DVD Burner - $17

Antec 300 Black - $60

EVGA 760 GTX - $260

WD 1TB HDD OEM - $65

Rosewill Capstone 450W - $70

GSkill Ripjaws X 2x4GB - $73

MSI H87-G43 Mobo - $105

i5 4670 - $230

TOTAL: $881 pre tax/shipping
"Smooth as Pie" - Day[9]
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
November 26 2013 01:20 GMT
#2329
On November 26 2013 08:57 Vearo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 07:48 skyR wrote:
The modern Intel chipsets (Z87, H87, B85, H81, Z77, H77, Z68, H67, etc) support simultaneous use. On older chipsets, the IGP is automatically disabled when a dGPU is detected because from my understanding, it shares the same PCIe lanes as the first PCIe slot.


Thank you for that information!

With that information, I have reduced the cost of my friends build:

+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS 24x DVD Burner - $17

Antec 300 Black - $60

EVGA 760 GTX - $260

WD 1TB HDD OEM - $65

Rosewill Capstone 450W - $70

GSkill Ripjaws X 2x4GB - $73

MSI H87-G43 Mobo - $105

i5 4670 - $230

TOTAL: $881 pre tax/shipping



why are you buying from newegg?
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 26 2013 02:58 GMT
#2330
Damn, I was going to try to get into the Retail Edge deal through a friend, but $36 shipping to Canada kinda sucks. And most people will only be able to get it for $115, totalling $150 net + paying a friend for help = $200, at which point, it's not that much cheaper than the sale.

What stops people from buying like 10 of them at $115 and selling them for $200+? I couldn't find anything restricting use of the chips to personal use when I skimmed through the details.
Getting back into sc2 O_o
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 26 2013 03:31 GMT
#2331
It's one per person. Even if it wasn't, you'd probably get fired for doing that.
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 26 2013 03:52 GMT
#2332
Ah well that makes sense.

Are there any planned sales for R9 270/280's?
Getting back into sc2 O_o
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
November 26 2013 05:25 GMT
#2333
Can someone recommend me a good GPU and a monitor? im still having a hard time.
(for a keyboard i think im going to go with some Das Model keyboard (cherry blue switches of a Das keyboard, according to the mech keyboard guide on TL, this is the best blue swtich keyboard???)

build is
i5 4670
H81m P33 mobo
rosewill capstone 550w-m
WD blue 1TB
2x4 Gskill Ripjaws x series F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM ram

cant decide on a GPU, looking for med - high quality on any games i play (steam games, COD, LoL, upcoming game watchdogs, etc etc etc) and less than $200 (willing to go up to $250 if its worth it)

i was thinking on like a gtx 660 or ti version of it. or a radeon 7870 or r9 270x.

and for a montior, whats the "go to" 1080p IPS ~~ $150 monitor people uses??

thx
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 26 2013 05:27 GMT
#2334
On November 26 2013 12:52 Mavvie wrote:
Ah well that makes sense.

Are there any planned sales for R9 270/280's?


Zero chance for R9 270 since they're still in very short stock and R9 280x, not likely.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 26 2013 10:56 GMT
#2335
On November 26 2013 14:25 IMKR wrote:
Can someone recommend me a good GPU and a monitor? im still having a hard time.
(for a keyboard i think im going to go with some Das Model keyboard (cherry blue switches of a Das keyboard, according to the mech keyboard guide on TL, this is the best blue swtich keyboard???)

build is
i5 4670
H81m P33 mobo
rosewill capstone 550w-m
WD blue 1TB
2x4 Gskill Ripjaws x series F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM ram

cant decide on a GPU, looking for med - high quality on any games i play (steam games, COD, LoL, upcoming game watchdogs, etc etc etc) and less than $200 (willing to go up to $250 if its worth it)

i was thinking on like a gtx 660 or ti version of it. or a radeon 7870 or r9 270x.

and for a montior, whats the "go to" 1080p IPS ~~ $150 monitor people uses??

thx

There's some cheap monitor sales on newegg right now (preBF sales). I'd also keep an eye open on their shellshockers - never know if they'll have another GPU on sale.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 26 2013 11:13 GMT
#2336
On November 26 2013 14:25 IMKR wrote:
Can someone recommend me a good GPU and a monitor? im still having a hard time.
(for a keyboard i think im going to go with some Das Model keyboard (cherry blue switches of a Das keyboard, according to the mech keyboard guide on TL, this is the best blue swtich keyboard???)

build is
i5 4670
H81m P33 mobo
rosewill capstone 550w-m
WD blue 1TB
2x4 Gskill Ripjaws x series F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM ram

cant decide on a GPU, looking for med - high quality on any games i play (steam games, COD, LoL, upcoming game watchdogs, etc etc etc) and less than $200 (willing to go up to $250 if its worth it)

i was thinking on like a gtx 660 or ti version of it. or a radeon 7870 or r9 270x.

and for a montior, whats the "go to" 1080p IPS ~~ $150 monitor people uses??

thx


There's a monitor thread where you might find a go to IPS at 1080, I think it's an ASUS something, $150 sounds about right.

7870/270 sounds, good, iirc don't go with 270X as it's basically a 270 at a higher clock rate. Just get an R9 270 and set the clock rate yourself. At $250 you might find a 7950 which is a notch higher than these cards. Look for some benchmarks (lots of those hanging around) of the games you want to play and decide for yourself if you're willing to dish out $50 for a better card. You could also get a GTX 760, I wouldn't get a 660 simply because it's a generation old. Being of an older generation generally doesn't mean better pricing either (it does but not enough to be worth it, at least imo, perhaps someone won't agree to that).

GPU is always hard to recommend because it's almost entirely dependant on how much you're willing to spend. There's a list with tiers in the OP that's good.
maru lover forever
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
November 26 2013 12:14 GMT
#2337
Anyone know when online retailers will receive new shipments of the "Asus Rampage IV Black edition x79 Motherboard". Can't find a single online retailer that has them in stock.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
November 26 2013 12:21 GMT
#2338
On November 26 2013 21:14 zaii wrote:
Anyone know when online retailers will receive new shipments of the "Asus Rampage IV Black edition x79 Motherboard". Can't find a single online retailer that has them in stock.

Why on earth would you want one of those?
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
November 26 2013 12:30 GMT
#2339
On November 26 2013 21:21 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 21:14 zaii wrote:
Anyone know when online retailers will receive new shipments of the "Asus Rampage IV Black edition x79 Motherboard". Can't find a single online retailer that has them in stock.

Why on earth would you want one of those?




To go with my 4820k CPU. Plus that sexy black/gray color finish would look great with my Storm Striker case and black/white phanteks heat sink.

Oh and gonna overclock as well.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
November 26 2013 12:39 GMT
#2340
On November 26 2013 21:14 zaii wrote:
Anyone know when online retailers will receive new shipments of the "Asus Rampage IV Black edition x79 Motherboard". Can't find a single online retailer that has them in stock.


Send them an email, a good retailer should be able to give you some kind of eta.
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