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Blower-style cards are useful in tight areas, restrictive airflow positions, or when ducted. They're almost the default choice if its in a case where the motherboard is positioned horizontally rather than the traditional vertical, since they're right next to the air intake. They can also be useful if you're doing Crossfire/SLI and don't have PCIe slots far enough apart. Also useful in rotated motherboard cases such as the Silverstone TJ-08E since the whole airflow model is messed up in those cases.
The main issue with blower style cards are generally cheapish heatsinks and a lack of space for said heatsinks. That does not mean that the design is inherently bad as the reference GTX Titan/780 heatsink is pretty awesome. I dunno what magic they did but its not only quiet in realistic use but it also handles overclocks pretty darn well.
As a FT02 user, I don't think blower cards get particularly hot or loud unless overclocked with a lot of voltage*. I still wouldn't pick one unless it was a lot cheaper than competing models though or you specifically want a blower-style card. Doubly so since EVGA cooling designs are all awful. The new ACX is pretty good even though the minimum fan speed is like 40% on those.
*I've never used a R9 290X.
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GTX Titan/780 heatsink is pretty awesome. I dunno what magic they did but its not only quiet in realistic use but it also handles overclocks pretty darn well.
I've heard it costs like >5x as much as the 290/290x cooler for that
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So in preparation for black friday I was wondering if thers any advice at picking out GPUs. It seems my price range of 150-200 cad fits a 600 series of some sort. Wondering any advice or pointers about what models/brands/other things to consider/look out for
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4770k will be available for $280 on Friday at Tigerdirect (Canada).
Retail Edge is also coming up soon, 4770k will be available for $79 for those that qualify.
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Retail edge is for pros though.
I would do anything for a 4770k that cheap so I'm trying to sign up and you basically need to be a retailer?
edit: FK lol why do you play with my feelings so much skyR?
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I made a quick build for by friend as previously posted:
+ Show Spoiler [Requirements] +On November 18 2013 03:33 Vearo wrote:
I am doing a build for a friend.
What is your budget?
800-900 CAD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Two monitors at 1280x1024
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2 - High
StarCitizen - Medium?
Path of Exile - High
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Basic use (firefox, word processing)
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Yes, later
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Graphics card should be an NVidia 760, as per the note at the bottom.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preferences
Vearo's Notes
My friend really wants multi-monitor support. While the 760 is overkill, he plans on buying my 760 when I upgrade, and will use 3-4 monitors after that upgrade. I'll refer him to this thread if you have any arguments against using a 760 for his resolution(s). It is likely that the two additional monitors will be around 1280x1024. If he's able, he'll upgrade to 1920x1080 once he gets the second card.
+ Show Spoiler [Build] +
I'm quite sure that it could be better. I don't think I have any SATA cables for the hard drive, so should that be swapped for a non-OEM one? Is it wise to wait until Black Friday for deals?
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Hello! Im planning on getting a new psu and was wondering if the corsair cx 750m would be enough for my rig?
Motherboard: Z87-G45
Processor: i7 4770k
Gfx card: GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 770 4GB
Any help or tips/personal experience with psu is greatly appreciated <3
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On November 26 2013 03:33 Incognoto wrote:
Retail edge is for pros though.
I would do anything for a 4770k that cheap so I'm trying to sign up and you basically need to be a retailer?
edit: FK lol why do you play with my feelings so much skyR?
Not for pros. Anyone who works at Best Buy or another qualifying retailer qualifies for Retail Edge. Technically you have to work in a retail position but of course they don't really care.
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On November 26 2013 03:35 Vearo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I made a quick build for by friend as previously posted: + Show Spoiler [Requirements] +On November 18 2013 03:33 Vearo wrote:
I am doing a build for a friend.
What is your budget?
800-900 CAD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Two monitors at 1280x1024
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2 - High
StarCitizen - Medium?
Path of Exile - High
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Basic use (firefox, word processing)
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Yes, later
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Graphics card should be an NVidia 760, as per the note at the bottom.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preferences
Vearo's Notes
My friend really wants multi-monitor support. While the 760 is overkill, he plans on buying my 760 when I upgrade, and will use 3-4 monitors after that upgrade. I'll refer him to this thread if you have any arguments against using a 760 for his resolution(s). It is likely that the two additional monitors will be around 1280x1024. If he's able, he'll upgrade to 1920x1080 once he gets the second card. I'm quite sure that it could be better. I don't think I have any SATA cables for the hard drive, so should that be swapped for a non-OEM one? Is it wise to wait until Black Friday for deals?
SATA cables are provided with the motherboard (unless you purchase refurbished, open-box, or something that's not brand new).
Didn't we already go through this that you don't need SLI for multiple displays?
Z87-G55 is overkill if you're not going to overclock. If you just want SLI support, just grab the cheapest Z87.
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On November 26 2013 03:49 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 03:33 Incognoto wrote:
Retail edge is for pros though.
I would do anything for a 4770k that cheap so I'm trying to sign up and you basically need to be a retailer?
edit: FK lol why do you play with my feelings so much skyR? Not for pros. Anyone who works at Best Buy or another qualifying retailer qualifies for Retail Edge. Technically you have to work in a retail position but of course they don't really care.
Oh... ah fk.
Would a cashier at a local supermarket qualify? haha, I might actually sign up for a job just for that. That or maybe working as a janitor at something like best buy (no time for a full time job). that's amazing though, such processors at such a price.
@fruktsoda, it's enough but corsair cx isn't that great, look for something else. not sure of power draw on 770 but for a single GPU i think 700w might be overkill.
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On November 26 2013 03:52 Incognoto wrote:Gigabyte's GA-Z87X-D3H. I often forget why but this motherboard is the go-to for overclock.
It's because it has as many phases as the boards a tier above it, it's affordable (typically $140 or less), CMOS is actually in a non-retarded spot, dual-BIOS, Intel NIC, and good amount of USB. The new Gigabyte BIOS is also an amazing stepup from their previous.Comparable boards like the ASUS Z87-A or MSI Z87-G45 are more expensive and fall short in one area or another.
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On November 26 2013 03:56 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 03:49 skyR wrote:On November 26 2013 03:33 Incognoto wrote:
Retail edge is for pros though.
I would do anything for a 4770k that cheap so I'm trying to sign up and you basically need to be a retailer?
edit: FK lol why do you play with my feelings so much skyR? Not for pros. Anyone who works at Best Buy or another qualifying retailer qualifies for Retail Edge. Technically you have to work in a retail position but of course they don't really care. Oh... ah fk. Would a cashier at a local supermarket qualify? haha, I might actually sign up for a job just for that. That or maybe working as a janitor at something like best buy (no time for a full time job). that's amazing though, such processors at such a price. @fruktsoda, it's enough but corsair cx isn't that great, look for something else. not sure of power draw on 770 but for a single GPU i think 700w might be overkill.
Lol yeah if Fred Meyer qualifies I'll have my bro sign up and I'll get that processor!
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On November 26 2013 03:59 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 03:52 Incognoto wrote:Gigabyte's GA-Z87X-D3H. I often forget why but this motherboard is the go-to for overclock. It's because it has as many phases as the boards a tier above it, it's affordable (typically $140 or less), CMOS is actually in a non-retarded spot, dual-BIOS, Intel NIC, and good amount of USB. The new Gigabyte BIOS is also an amazing stepup from their previous.Comparable boards like the ASUS Z87-A or MSI Z87-G45 are more expensive and fall short in one area or another.
Are you saying that Intel NIC is better than something from like Realtek or Gigabit? NIC is the part of the motherboard which works for network connections (ie internet). If this is the case I'm very interested in hearing more about this part of the motherboard because I have a mindfuck back home where 2 of our desktops work fine with the home's ethernet and the rest of our computers don't. I've been trying to troubleshoot the problem for a while, without avail.
Anyway aside from that thanks for the response, it makes a lot of sense especially the part about the phases (more phases = less stress per phase = less heat). I had a feeling price had something to do with it.
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On November 26 2013 00:13 Womwomwom wrote:
Blower-style cards are useful in tight areas, restrictive airflow positions, or when ducted. They're almost the default choice if its in a case where the motherboard is positioned horizontally rather than the traditional vertical, since they're right next to the air intake. They can also be useful if you're doing Crossfire/SLI and don't have PCIe slots far enough apart. Also useful in rotated motherboard cases such as the Silverstone TJ-08E since the whole airflow model is messed up in those cases.
The main issue with blower style cards are generally cheapish heatsinks and a lack of space for said heatsinks. That does not mean that the design is inherently bad as the reference GTX Titan/780 heatsink is pretty awesome. I dunno what magic they did but its not only quiet in realistic use but it also handles overclocks pretty darn well.
As a FT02 user, I don't think blower cards get particularly hot or loud unless overclocked with a lot of voltage*. I still wouldn't pick one unless it was a lot cheaper than competing models though or you specifically want a blower-style card. Doubly so since EVGA cooling designs are all awful. The new ACX is pretty good even though the minimum fan speed is like 40% on those.
*I've never used a R9 290X.
I actually had to request an updated BIOS from eVGA Jake to reduce idle fan speeds to 30%. I have a much quieter case than most though, so I imagine most users wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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my brother's gf is looking for a laptop for school, she was willing to buy an macbook so there isn't really a budget. she specified good battery life and I guess a medium size screen. do you guys have any recommendations?
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not sure of power draw on 770
Maybe 210 watts peak gaming. Cut 10-20% for typical. That's at max overclock. Haswell quad at max overclock + 770 at max overclock, you'll be fine on any at all decent PSU, a cx430 would do fine if you got one cheap, anything better and you're laughing
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On November 26 2013 04:08 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2013 03:59 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 03:52 Incognoto wrote:Gigabyte's GA-Z87X-D3H. I often forget why but this motherboard is the go-to for overclock. It's because it has as many phases as the boards a tier above it, it's affordable (typically $140 or less), CMOS is actually in a non-retarded spot, dual-BIOS, Intel NIC, and good amount of USB. The new Gigabyte BIOS is also an amazing stepup from their previous.Comparable boards like the ASUS Z87-A or MSI Z87-G45 are more expensive and fall short in one area or another. Are you saying that Intel NIC is better than something from like Realtek or Gigabit? NIC is the part of the motherboard which works for network connections (ie internet). If this is the case I'm very interested in hearing more about this part of the motherboard because I have a mindfuck back home where 2 of our desktops work fine with the home's ethernet and the rest of our computers don't. I've been trying to troubleshoot the problem for a while, without avail. Anyway aside from that thanks for the response, it makes a lot of sense especially the part about the phases (more phases = less stress per phase = less heat). I had a feeling price had something to do with it.
Yes, it would be the ethernet. Intel chipsets are in most cases undoubtly better than the rest and their NIC is no exception. Probably better latency, max speeds, reliability, management, etc than Realtek but aside from reliability, probably not much of a difference in consumer environment.
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Ok thanks Incognoto and Cyro, still planing on a 750w just for the freedom of it so I dont have to adapt if something new comes up.
If the corsair cx isnt really recommended what psu should I look for instead? 
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Not sure about your budget, have a look at this list though and find a good deal if you can: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
^You'll notice the CX series isn't on there. CX series is Corsair so it won't blow up your system. However what you're looking for when getting a CX series PSU is that they can get really, really cheap (especially with mail-in rebate). At "stock" price the CX430 isn't that great since for comparable prices there are better options.
Off the top of my head the XFX Core series aren't bad and can be priced well, maybe start looking from there or something.
@SkyR, thanks. It's given me something to work with.
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