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On March 01 2012 16:56 Womwomwom wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Do you mean the Asus VG236H? Ignoring the 3D, because I don't know anything about 3D Vision, its pretty good if you leave it in the Standard preset. Other presets are not good which is pretty much par for the course.
Motion performance isn't perfect like the newer Samsungs but it has the "Trace Free" feature that all Asus monitors seem to be packing these days. This means you can control the overdrive enough so it becomes "good enough" so to speak. Typically Trace Free of 40 give the best results for their TN and IPS monitors.
Its a pretty decent monitor with the same pitfalls all TN monitors seem to have without calibration (banding issues, piss poor vertical viewing angles, etc). Some of the older CCFL-based 120hz monitors, like the Acer, were pretty bad but this one can still stand on its own two feet with good latency, no overdrive overshooting, good contrast, and decent enough blacks.
Oops, yeah, 6 not 8.. I did mean the HE though (they're the same thing though, It's just that I don't care about paying more for 3D glasses and 3D that only works with nVidia).. so VG236HE.
Thanks for the detailed info
That's mostly what I gathered from my reading as well. As long as the whole "CCFL dimming with age" thing isn't too bad (i.e., 4-5yrs from now the monitor still looks ok), then I don't care too much as I like dark environments anyway and don't need super high brightness. That's probably the one I'll be going for ... eventually.... I take forever to commit to such purchases
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If you guys want a cheapass glossy 2560x1440 IPS monitor, you can try the Catleap Q270 on eBay - its like $400. Apparently you can push 85hz on that thing so it should actually be quite a good gaming monitor for those who don't want 120hz TN monitors. Internally, it should be identical to the Hazro monitors in that the build quality and warranty sucks balls but its dirt cheap so what can you complain about.
Tempered glass is cool but I would buy one without it since quality control will definitely be lax with this monitor. You risk getting monitors with trapped dust between the LCD and glass. Not easily solved since you have to strip the monitor apart to remove the dust or ship it back to Korea.
Warranty should be non-existent, considering its like a grey import, but you can pretty much buy two for the price of one Samsung/HP/Dell monitor. I think it might be worth the risk if you're feeling particularly ballsy. The Shimian QH270 is another option and is VESA mountable out of the box; you have to snap the grey plastic backing off the Catleap to gain access to the VESA mounts...you probably want to buy a stand anyway since delivery will probably snap the plastic backing for you.
On a side note, I have no fucking idea why VGA is still being used. Why don't you just provide DVI-I if you want to give people the option of using VGA? Not just that you don't even provide DP or HDMI so the user can transfer audio to the inbuilt speakers...what went wrong in the design process of these monitors?
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This was surprisingly one of the most useful threads I've ever read. Thanks for the info!
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I'm considering ordering the BenQ RL2450HT but I'm a bit hesitant because can't find much information on it.
I'm also considering that open box Samsung but my GPU doesn't support displayport so I'm not sure if it would be worth it...
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BenQ RL2450HT is not anything special from what I can see. It looks like a good 60hz TN monitor with a proper scaler and some BenQ features, that are probably unusable outside of awful presets you probably will never touch. There's the Samsung S24A350 and Asus VH236H if you don't want to spend a lot of money on a half decent TN monitor.
As for your second consideration, you're correct that the Samsung S23A750D is pointless without displayport. You need it to run it at 120hz at 1920x1080.
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I forgot to upload a picture of the Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM's I got due to this thread. I'm really loving the monitors and the setup. Thanks to Womwomwom, skyR, and everyone who contributes to the thread.
Sorry for the picture being terrible. Flash+focus on my chair doesn't help see the monitors. >_<
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3dgKjl.jpg)
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Currently torn between the Dell U2412M and Dell U2312HM. I hear the U2312 is better for gaming, but the U2412 being 1900x1200 is just a world of difference. For those who have used both, what are your opinions if I used it primarily for entertainment purposes/gaming. And I heard it's actually more than an inch difference?
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I'd reckon that it'd be similar to its bigger sisters the 226V and 236V which weren't that great. It's not even 1080p ._. I'd just spend ~$70 more for a U2312HM. Not to mention some games such as Starcraft II favor 16: 9.
On March 08 2012 13:06 cHaNg-sTa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Currently torn between the Dell U2412M and Dell U2312HM. I hear the U2312 is better for gaming, but the U2412 being 1900x1200 is just a world of difference. For those who have used both, what are your opinions if I used it primarily for entertainment purposes/gaming. And I heard it's actually more than an inch difference?
U2412M doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping so if you're using it primarily for entertainment / gaming, it most likely will be pretty terrible for you since 16: 9 content will be stretched.
The difference is only an inch, maybe you're thinking about the U2212HM which is actually only 21.5"?
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If you need to use a PS3, then the U2412M is probably not a good idea since it can't do 1:1 pixel mapping. Its fine if its the desktop because the video card should be able to do all of the work for you.
The U2412M also has better contrast and black depth if that means anything for you. Motion performance is basically the same both both the U2312HM and U2412M; input lag for both are pretty much negligible anyway since they're well below 10ms. Of course the U2312HM is also significantly cheaper than its 16:10 brother.
It really depends on whether or not you're going to hook a PS3 on there and/or really want to foot the bill for 16:10 goodness. I probably wouldn't but that's a decision you have to make.
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Hi everyone, I was directed here from another forum. I know people have said anything cheaper than on the list is a 'shit' etc. but I don't have much of a budget - £140 and I'd prefer to not even go that high up.
To the point, I found this monitor and am just really wondering whether it is ok or not. I am upgrading to the a 660/660ti when they are released from nvidia and other that the gpu the monitor is the only thing I need. The other monitor I found was the LG IPS235V but people have spoke about it's input lag and ghosting so I'm kind of put off.
TL:DR: I know nothing about monitors, £140 budget. Is this shit?
list of possible other choices I guess
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On March 10 2012 07:47 mdog wrote:
Hi everyone, I was directed here from another forum. I know people have said anything cheaper than on the list is a 'shit' etc. but I don't have much of a budget - £140 and I'd prefer to not even go that high up.
No the list is not at all comprehensive, so it's definitely not right to say everything not on there is bad. It's supposed to just be some examples of relatively affordable "specialty" monitors, as described in the OP: those not using TN panel technology and those that are 120 Hz. It's missing some respectable models that even qualify for the above conditions, even some that have been reviewed and gotten a decent rating by somewhere as reputable as prad or tftcentral.
Nobody reviews most cheap 60 Hz TN panels so it's hard to say about specific models unless you've used them...but there's so many models out there, the chance of that is low unless it's something particularly famous. e.g. Asus VH236H. Then again, there are some trends in terms of quality, but I'm just not aware of them.
Most of these cheaper TN panels are going to have bad off-angle viewing angle issues like huge gamma shifts and poor uncalibrated color accuracy (depending on the model, calibrated colors can be great), but that's to be expected and many people don't care about that.
Most will have no significant problems with ghosting or reverse ghosting, though there are exceptions. And most should have lowish input lag, as they're too cheap to include processing that would increase that.
But if you can afford some kind of GTX 660-level video card, surely you can afford a monitor that costs a little more and won't be outdated in a few years?
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On March 10 2012 12:08 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 07:47 mdog wrote:
Hi everyone, I was directed here from another forum. I know people have said anything cheaper than on the list is a 'shit' etc. but I don't have much of a budget - £140 and I'd prefer to not even go that high up. No the list is not at all comprehensive, so it's definitely not right to say everything not on there is bad. It's supposed to just be some examples of relatively affordable "specialty" monitors, as described in the OP: those not using TN panel technology and those that are 120 Hz. It's missing some respectable models that even qualify for the above conditions, even some that have been reviewed and gotten a decent rating by somewhere as reputable as prad or tftcentral. Nobody reviews most cheap 60 Hz TN panels so it's hard to say about specific models unless you've used them...but there's so many models out there, the chance of that is low unless it's something particularly famous. e.g. Asus VH236H. Then again, there are some trends in terms of quality, but I'm just not aware of them. Most of these cheaper TN panels are going to have bad off-angle viewing angle issues like huge gamma shifts and poor uncalibrated color accuracy (depending on the model, calibrated colors can be great), but that's to be expected and many people don't care about that. Most will have no significant problems with ghosting or reverse ghosting, though there are exceptions. And most should have lowish input lag, as they're too cheap to include processing that would increase that. But if you can afford some kind of GTX 660-level video card, surely you can afford a monitor that costs a little more and won't be outdated in a few years?
I can go to around £180. I didn't know much about monitors and haven't really ever noticed a difference apart from brightness and quality but I haven't seen many good ones so I don't know what to look for.
Due to not knowing anything about them or the prices, I overspent. Combining that with the stupidly high prices In England (I posted In USD to be helpful) It's hard to find anything good for a cheap price. People on here are talking about the 2412m for $190 and $175 when in England it is £240 which is $376.
That's the reason I'm looking for something on the cheaper side since even in France/Germany It can be bought for 175 euros which is still $230 but no where near as much of a rip off as In the UK. I heard good things about the Asus VH236H but unfortunately, not available in my country again and the places it is available are not trust-able.
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Look at an iMac screen. That gives you an idea of what a glossy IPS monitor is like. Depending on your tolerance on matte coatings, a matte IPS monitor will be similar or a lot worse.
I personally think the desktop itself is the least important item in the long run. Hardware like speakers, keyboards, and monitors are your means of communicating with your desktop and they basically never end up obsolete; your desktop will be inadequate within two/three years. Monitor technology won't improve greatly and anyone thinking we're going to get OLED monitors suited for desktop stress loads is out of their minds.
If you want a cheapass TN monitor, the Samsung S24A350 is pretty decent.
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I have been looking at the wrong monitor the whole time. I think I will pick up the 2312 but just out of curiosity, how bad is this monitor, brothers monitor has just broke. He only plays league of legends and minecraft (he is 13) will it look like shit or is it ok?
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Nothing special. What you typically see in the low end section of a big box store. It might have low contrast and bad viewing angles but he's 13. It'll easily be usable and look decent enough, if that is what you are concerned with.
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ok.....noobster in the room folks....
After reading what was at first an uncomprehensible wall of text in the OP, i realized that this country has very....veeery few options regarding monitors, they are quite overpriced and when i googled the reviews of some, may i say, apparently good choices it turns out that those arent any good. So far im pretty sure i want a 24" monitor. The thing is, ive already bought my pc build, the only thing missing is the GPU, and im waiting for the monitor since ive read that, holy shit is that important, so, ive laid my eyes on the ASUS VH238H 24" , which costs an stupidly 300$ in this country (sigh) , if i buy it, im i ok to buy any gpu? im ofc not planning on getting an 6990 but maybe a good one around 150-260$..
Edit: Also, can i get some advice on which GPU to buy with that monitor? :3
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I have a NEC E231W. Would you call that a good monitor?
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