EPTThe Ultimate Xsplit+Dxtory streaming Guide. - Page 2
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
Also in your video when you show the FPS difference between "ordinary screen regions" and the DXTory cam, you don't show the same conditions - you only show the true FPS for DXTory (minimizing the capture software you use, as that is holding back the FPS). Just wondering if that gives a true picture of the real difference? Inspired by your guide, I chose to go ahead and retry DXTory myself. (I've tried an earlier version once a awhile ago). However - again this time - I did not get the results you got though. I got the same quality and FPS as with pure XSplit. My cpu is an i7 920 (~20% faster than your's at stock frequency, so about the same?) and I have 2 Mbit/s upload doing a 720p stream. I realize our difference in upload, so my next tests will encompass 1 Mbit/s stream conditions. Can you please remind me your desktop plus stream resolutions (I checked the video but didn't find it, sry if I missed it)? I suppose my initial findings, can be attributed to the variance in our computer's hardware/software. I noticed you gave out guarantees in your guide though (just kidding)  Also, I too - like some of the above posters - had problems getting DXTory started on F12, as well as get a live picture on the DXTory Cam in XSplit. I solved it by restarting SC2 even though it got hooked fine in DXTory (it showed up in the list). Also I had success with starting DXTory while adding it as a cam in XSplit (if paused, no live picture would show). And once DXTory crashed on me forgetting all the settings I had set up. It took me a few tries to figure out the best startup order for each of the three programs - maybe that was an idea for an update to your guide  Finally, if I may suggest, when several people (as in this thread) have the same problem after following the guide, quote that problem in the guide (the OP) and provide a polite answer next to it. Same with my suggestion to link the reader to where to download DXTory Edit: As mentioned above I had trouble getting DXTory to perform like described. It wasn't until I made a "New presentation" this clearing all current scenes/regions/banners and so on, that I was able to get it right. I have no idea what exactly kept it from running as intended, as I already had tried to disable (not delete) *everything* in the scenes. Secondly, I found this to be the optimum start up order: 1. DXTory (wait for the trial count down to hit 0) 2. Start SC2 3. Enable DXTory (F12) 4. Start XSplit PS. Under no circumstance change your desktop resolution or SC2 window mode while DXTory/XSplit are running (this caused both apps to hang). | ||
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K-Oicks
Canada13 Posts
On October 09 2011 19:41 Nepsilon wrote: I am running it on Windowed(Fullscreen) and i mentioned that one on the videos , as well i explained what happened once u click F12 , that those numbers up left you have instead of green will go orange. If nothing is shown while you are in starcraft than please do try to set a profile in dxtory if the program didnt made one it self , but it should actually.. I am talking about this : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uzGqZ.jpg) I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On October 10 2011 00:49 K-Oicks wrote: I have the same settings as you and did everything you did in your videos, but when I'm in SC2 and hit F12, the green numbers just stay green. The profile in Dxtory is set to SC2.exe. Try hitting F12 while the DXTory window is highlighted - that's what I did. In theory if some other application is "listening" for F12 it can get picked up by that. You could test this out by changing the short-cut in DXTory settings . | ||
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K-Oicks
Canada13 Posts
On October 10 2011 01:11 HellGreen wrote: Try hitting F12 while the DXTory window is highlighted - that's what I did. In theory if some other application is "listening" for F12 it can get picked up by that. You could test this out by changing the short-cut in DXTory settings .Still nothing. Changed the hotkey to multiple things and still won't record. :'( | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 01:22 K-Oicks wrote: Still nothing. Changed the hotkey to multiple things and still won't record. :'( Nothing else i can think of but these 2 things for right now : 1. Try running as administrator / run sc2 in fullscreen and click f12 see if the green fps numbers change to orange. 2. By default if you run dxtory while you dont have anything set for recording , go in Target / the 1st icon in dxtory and see if it is like this : (note : It shouldnt have loaded anything and have to be all blank just like on the picture) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/G1z3y.jpg) And whenever you start a game eg. Sc2 your Dxtory should attach to it and you should get something like this (see pic below) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MKYcN.jpg) If you have other apps and you see Dxtory hooked on them , just ignore them out. Hope this helps otherwise im gonna have to figure this problem a bit more deeply. | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 00:23 HellGreen wrote: I don't see the dxtory.com banner in your videos, so I assume you bought DXTroy. My question is, did you also buy XSplit yet? I'm very curious as to your experiences with GameSource because that should theoretically give the same result. I'm also interested in your point of view on spending 50+40 dollars relative to the results/experiences with GameSource, if any. Also in your video when you show the FPS difference between "ordinary screen regions" and the DXTory cam, you don't show the same conditions - you only show the true FPS for DXTory (minimizing the capture software you use, as that is holding back the FPS). Just wondering if that gives a true picture of the real difference? Inspired by your guide, I chose to go ahead and retry DXTory myself. (I've tried an earlier version once a awhile ago). However - again this time - I did not get the results you got though. I got the same quality and FPS as with pure XSplit. My cpu is an i7 920 (~20% faster than your's at stock frequency, so about the same?) and I have 2 Mbit/s upload doing a 720p stream. I realize our difference in upload, so my next tests will encompass 1 Mbit/s stream conditions. Can you please remind me your desktop plus stream resolutions (I checked the video but didn't find it, sry if I missed it)? I suppose my initial findings, can be attributed to the variance in our computer's hardware/software. I noticed you gave out guarantees in your guide though (just kidding) Also, I too - like some of the above posters - had problems getting DXTory started on F12, as well as get a live picture on the DXTory Cam in XSplit. I solved it by restarting SC2 even though it got hooked fine in DXTory (it showed up in the list). Also I had success with starting DXTory while adding it as a cam in XSplit (if paused, no live picture would show). And once DXTory crashed on me forgetting all the settings I had set up. It took me a few tries to figure out the best startup order for each of the three programs - maybe that was an idea for an update to your guide Finally, if I may suggest, when several people (as in this thread) have the same problem after following the guide, quote that problem in the guide (the OP) and provide a polite answer next to it. Same with my suggestion to link the reader to where to download DXTory No i still havent bought Xsplit i mentioned in the video but its not a problem. About the GameSource since Xsplit is still in Beta for some people its working better but for some isnt. I have seen many threads for it and its not making me to preorder Xsplit so i can test it out. I am fine on the current settings until i receive my 40/40 up/down Mbps internet. About the difference in FPS i really couldnt show in the video since i was using Camtasia to get it done and Camtasia itself was making me problems in game ,the game was choppy when i was explaining but the difference is very big. I have even made Xsplit to make my game run on ~90 fps (only xsplit screen region/ no dxtory) but my game was choppy and lagging a lot even with that much fps. Believe me , the difference is unbelievable at least for me , when im using Dxtory i am not feeling a slight difference between streaming and not streaming at the moment. But with Xsplit it was nightmare. As i said there might be people that wont feel ingame that they are streaming even without Dxtory but for me unfortunately it wasnt like that. As for my resolution , My monitor is Samsung t220 (WCG official monitors for some time in the past) its 22 inch and the resolution is 1680x1050. I have the same resolution on Dxtory while 720p on xsplit. I have the keep aspect ration turned on so it wont stretch the screen to reduce the quality. And yes thank you for the idea i will implement some more things in the beginning post , some FAQ maybe or i dont know , i will think whats the best. | ||
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
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K-Oicks
Canada13 Posts
thank you for the guide <3 | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 02:41 K-Oicks wrote: Ended up downgrading from 2.0.109 to 2.0.108 and it is now working thank you for the guide <3You are welcome , and i am glad u fixed the problem. I will mention this in the 1st post as well for all who have the problem that you had. | ||
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Goodseed
Korea (South)270 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/baoNe.png) the xsplit becomes so small like that and I cant do anything with it other than exiting out of it. ;d | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 05:08 Goodseed wrote: do you guys ever have a problem with the xsplit going weird after you minimize and go back on it? (Removed picture not to take a lot of space) the xsplit becomes so small like that and I cant do anything with it other than exiting out of it. ;d Yes it is normal when you have this setting on the picture turned off : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fJ67Q.jpg) Turn it on and you wont be facing that problem. | ||
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Goodseed
Korea (South)270 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297082747 My setting on dxtory was exactly the same as Nepsilon because I have the same resolution as him on desktop. My setting on xsplit was 1280x720 - 30fps - Quality 10 - 2000bitrate and 2000 buffer. Can you suggest me anything I can do Nepsilon? I have 40 download and 20 upload. I see people with lower settings than mine says that their doing the same resolution and it looks so much HD but mine looks almost like yours.. I also get like 60fps while playing on medium graphic settings on sc2 and it makes me lag when I stream but I see people playing with 30fps so i dont really understand. My cpu usage and ram usage is not even close to 100! | ||
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
Personally i have a fiber connection with 24 Mbit out, so i want to like try something insane like 5000 kbps bitrate. But i hate it that FMLE and also Xsplit i think makes it so if someone with a normal dsl conneciton with 1 Mbit it will buffer alot. Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame. | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 05:55 Goodseed wrote: My results with the Dxtory + Xsplit: http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297082747 My setting on dxtory was exactly the same as Nepsilon because I have the same resolution as him on desktop. My setting on xsplit was 1280x720 - 30fps - Quality 10 - 2000bitrate and 2000 buffer. Can you suggest me anything I can do Nepsilon? I have 40 download and 20 upload. I see people with lower settings than mine says that their doing the same resolution and it looks so much HD but mine looks almost like yours.. I also get like 60fps while playing on medium graphic settings on sc2 and it makes me lag when I stream but I see people playing with 30fps so i dont really understand. My cpu usage and ram usage is not even close to 100! Yours is actually way better than mine since with my current upload on moving around i am getting some pixelization. What else u can do is just going 1080p(Or your native monitor resolution because in 1080 i think you might stretch your current and get a bad result) which really , your stream is awesome and you dont need to improve it in my opinion. And try going 3k/3k on buffer since i think for perfect 720p you are moving around 2300 up , dont get it as a static number , this is only rough calculation. And take in mind that if your CPU is at 60-70 % at the moment and you double the resolution since from 720p to 1080p the difference is huge , your game might start beeing choppy/unplayable. I tried 1080p on my i5 760 3.6ghz and its playable but i am getting a lot of pixelization. Here is a video to show u what i mean : http://www.twitch.tv/nepsilon/b/297084671 You can see that every slight move i am making i am getting pixelization. And if you have a similar speccs to mine with that upload u can get 1080p no problem. And if you decide to bump 1080 if your PC can handle than throw greater than 4500kbps buffer for perfect 1080p. I have no idea if there is any max rate for the buffer but rougly the 4500 kbps is the best solution for 1080p i think. Dont get too heavy on the numbers since i might be off with them. As well take in mind if you dont have any partnership with those streaming sites your viewers wont be able to change the resolution if they cant handle that much download so you better keep with something in the middle so everyone can be watching your stream. p.s. if you are that decided to stream at that high qualities than try out ur native resolution so you wont get the stream in black boxes but instead fully stretched in your stream. You can achieve the same while in 1080p but as i said you might get a bit of a worse quality. Play out with the settings and tell me what your results came like. Take care | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 06:05 Avean wrote: Is there any way to set 5000 bitrate for those who are able, and for else adjust downwards automaticly ? Basicly higher bitrate makes the picture clearer and on 5000 its just like beeing ingame. If this means what i think it means than read the above post of mine ( 2nd paragraph from below) If its not what it is from what i understood than sorry for answering something else. | ||
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
With FMLE you have to set a constant bitrate so its like either go good quality and let many viewers burn, or go low quality and everyone can see. So i was wondering if there is any dynamic bitrate setting in xsplit ? So the bitrate aint constant, but a max value instead. Lets say i set it to 5000, then people with 5 Mbit and above will see ingame quality, or if a viewer has 2 mbit the stream will automaticly lower it. Is that even possible ? And to the post about pixelation in 1080, thats due to low bitrate, not resolution. But doubling resolution does makes pixelation more obvious, but can be fixed with higher bitrate. | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 06:43 Avean wrote: Well yeah i have no problem streaming in 4500 bitrate, but the problem is for my viewers. If they have 2Mbit / 2Mbit which many have, they aint gonna handle a 4500 bitrate stream. With FMLE you have to set a constant bitrate so its like either go good quality and let many viewers burn, or go low quality and everyone can see. So i was wondering if there is any dynamic bitrate setting in xsplit ? So the bitrate aint constant, but a max value instead. Lets say i set it to 5000, then people with 5 Mbit and above will see ingame quality, or if a viewer has 2 mbit the stream will automaticly lower it. Is that even possible ? And to the post about pixelation in 1080, thats due to low bitrate, not resolution. But doubling resolution does makes pixelation more obvious, but can be fixed with higher bitrate. No there isnt , there is however 1 thing to mention of how you can do it and i mentioned it previously but you missed it. Its alright. Xsplit will work the same as FMLE except that constant bitrate thing. In xsplit if you set it to 4500 for an example sometimes it may also burst up to 5000 and who knows more. But if you want to make both sides of the viewers with low download and very good download speed to be able to watch with different qualities , i think the only way is the one i mentioned it previously , Partnership with the site you are streaming at. For an example here is a link to see what i am thinking. http://www.twitch.tv/p/broadcast_video Its pretty much like youtube , viewers will be able to change the resolutions and with it on each resolution the bitrate is lowered or increased regarding which one you chose ofcourse. Check the link , everything will be cleared out. | ||
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Goodseed
Korea (South)270 Posts
1280x720 with the 3000bitrate/3000buffer http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297088887 1680x1050 with the 3000bitrate/3000buffer http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297089253 I don't know if I see any differnce if I use dxtory or just stream with xsplit. | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
On October 10 2011 07:17 Goodseed wrote: Should I take off the aspect ratio off to get the black stuff on the sides go away? 1280x720 with the 3000bitrate/3000buffer http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297088887 1680x1050 with the 3000bitrate/3000buffer http://www.twitch.tv/goodseed/b/297089253 I don't know if I see any differnce if I use dxtory or just stream with xsplit. 720p looks a lot better than previous one. However in the 1050 one the difference isnt a lot since u are using 3000 bitrate as well. I noted 1 thing , there were moments in those 2 minutes you can see as well on ur drones too it has some feeling like there are micro stutters. I think you should lower the buffer a bit for you to get 100% perfect 30fps. I might be blind but check for yourself Edit : I also might be wrong , since as i am seeing your fps drops 40-50 sometimes , it might be ur pc i dont know. | ||
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