EPTMechanical Keyboard Guide - Page 149
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exousia_7
Taiwan215 Posts
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McTeazy
Canada297 Posts
My main concern is double tapping. I'd also be curious to know if the 2kro is an issue, though i can't imagine it would be in SC2 since the only time i'm pressing more than 1 key at a time is with a modifier. | ||
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findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
however, really, i don't think a debate between black switch / brown switch is going to change your performance in starcraft. it will, however, improve your gameplay experience for sure. | ||
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TheOracle98
7 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:45 McTeazy wrote: What do you guys think of buckling spring switches for SC2? The reason i'm thinking i'd like to try it is the accurate tactile/audio at the point of actuation, but i was wondering if the switch resets as accurately. (ie, click/activate>release/reset or click/activate>release>reset where going left to right would indicate increasing distance). My main concern is double tapping. I'd also be curious to know if the 2kro is an issue, though i can't imagine it would be in SC2 since the only time i'm pressing more than 1 key at a time is with a modifier. After using the model M for a couple of days I find that it is just fine for starcraft. Although the actuation point is a little stiffer, so you are correct, it takes more effort to push down the keys. But I don't really have an issue with double tapping, but it is slower than my blue switched keyboard. Overall, it's a great choice for typing, but starcraft works well with it. Also, I found that my hand's actually got a little tired after using it for extended periods of time, but that is simply because I'm not used to it yet. | ||
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McTeazy
Canada297 Posts
On June 11 2012 01:21 TheOracle98 wrote: After using the model M for a couple of days I find that it is just fine for starcraft. Although the actuation point is a little stiffer, so you are correct, it takes more effort to push down the keys. But I don't really have an issue with double tapping, but it is slower than my blue switched keyboard. Overall, it's a great choice for typing, but starcraft works well with it. Also, I found that my hand's actually got a little tired after using it for extended periods of time, but that is simply because I'm not used to it yet. sorry, what i meant was where is the reset point of the switch in relation to the operating point. ie in this diagram, you can see the operating point is rather close to the reset point. I'm wondering if these switches are similar, since that would make double tapping quite a bit easier once you got used to it. the diagram for buckling springs seems to indicate it isn't, but i'm not really sure how to read that since the points are oddly labelled. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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McTeazy
Canada297 Posts
On June 11 2012 03:05 Ropid wrote: About those diagrams of the Cherry MX switches and their release points and the force required to press the keys, there is something weird going on at least for the blue switches that I know from my keyboard. From the diagram it looks as if I should be able to press the key and feel some kind of bump without the key activating, but this is not what is happening. The key signal activates, the click is heard, and force wise the tactile bump are all at the exact same point down. I cannot possibly press any key on my keyboard without the click and the signal coinciding. The click is also related to the force you feel pressing down on the key, the click is a part inside the switch "falling off" and releasing some of the pressure you feel from the spring (when you let go of the key, that part snaps back into place, without sound, but there is something tactile to be felt about that). Well the guide describes the tactile response for blues as being precise, so I imagine there is a difference but it's imperceptible. Which is good to know, perhaps I'm nitpicking way more than I should be... Hahaha | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:45 McTeazy wrote: What do you guys think of buckling spring switches for SC2? The reason i'm thinking i'd like to try it is the accurate tactile/audio at the point of actuation, but i was wondering if the switch resets as accurately. (ie, click/activate>release/reset or click/activate>release>reset where going left to right would indicate increasing distance). My main concern is double tapping. I'd also be curious to know if the 2kro is an issue, though i can't imagine it would be in SC2 since the only time i'm pressing more than 1 key at a time is with a modifier. They are precise in the context of when the spring buckles, it activates. I wouldn't use it for playing games but they are considered to be the best for typing. | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
I have read dozens of mechanical keyboard guides and threads. But I am still not sure what kind of mechanical keyboard would be nice for me. I know that Flash did use the DT-35 for a long time and maybe he still uses it. But at MLG it looked like he used a different keyboard. Do anyone know? From rubber dome dt-35. What kind of MX keys would be appropriate to get? Black or Brown? | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On June 12 2012 04:59 KAB00000000M wrote: Hello I have read dozens of mechanical keyboard guides and threads. But I am still not sure what kind of mechanical keyboard would be nice for me. I know that Flash did use the DT-35 for a long time and maybe he still uses it. But at MLG it looked like he used a different keyboard. Do anyone know? From rubber dome dt-35. What kind of MX keys would be appropriate to get? Black or Brown? flash still uses a DT 35, black is the closest to rubberdome in terms of force. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 12 2012 04:59 KAB00000000M wrote: Hello I have read dozens of mechanical keyboard guides and threads. But I am still not sure what kind of mechanical keyboard would be nice for me. I know that Flash did use the DT-35 for a long time and maybe he still uses it. But at MLG it looked like he used a different keyboard. Do anyone know? From rubber dome dt-35. What kind of MX keys would be appropriate to get? Black or Brown? If you hammer the keys like you probably did with your DT-35, the black MX switches have the stiffer spring and the force required should feel more like with the DT-35. But you do not have to push the keys all the way down with the MX switches, the keys already register the key press at a half way point, so you do not have to hammer keys. Pressing down keys with brown MX switches, you feel a tiny bit of a "hump" in your fingertips at the point that the key signal registers, which feels neat to me and is missing from the black switches, but the spring in the brown switches is much less stiff compared to black switches. If you will spam the keys anyways, the black switches would be good, but perhaps you want to try to be a bit more delicate with the keys and in that case the brown switches may feel better. | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:45 Ropid wrote: If you hammer the keys like you probably did with your DT-35, the black MX switches have the stiffer spring and the force required should feel more like with the DT-35. But you do not have to push the keys all the way down with the MX switches, the keys already register the key press at a half way point, so you do not have to hammer keys. Pressing down keys with brown MX switches, you feel a tiny bit of a "hump" in your fingertips at the point that the key signal registers, which feels neat to me and is missing from the black switches, but the spring in the brown switches is much less stiff compared to black switches. If you will spam the keys anyways, the black switches would be good, but perhaps you want to try to be a bit more delicate with the keys and in that case the brown switches may feel better. Hey - Thank you! I really appreciate your response. This actually helped me a lot! I am still thinking. I tried MX-Red. I feel I miss-click too much. I dont think there are a lot of pro players that stay with these red keys. Theoretically - keys with more resistance would be in favor of executing correct commands. It can be compared to driving a car with a sensitive steering wheel or a low-sensitive steering wheel. It is easier with the sensitive to make mistakes. I think there is something to that! Most known - the sensitivity of players. Especially for FPS games, where accuracy is the most important factor. Pro players tend to play with low sensitivity. I think you are right about the Browns. It is convenient to know when the key registers. The perfect key would be something combined of Brown/Black. | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:31 Boblhead wrote: flash still uses a DT 35, black is the closest to rubberdome in terms of force. Did you watch the MLG? I am not sure what keyboard it looked like he used there. But I cant be sure it was a dt-35. It looked the same like FXO Oz's keyboard. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
For me personally, I think what helps most about mistakes is, you can hit the keys on a mechanical keyboard from a weird angle, and the key still gets pressed down perfectly fine and a signal registers, while with a shitty keyboard, the key would jam being pressed from an angle or at a corner. About a combination of the switches, there is a "clear" MX switch that only Cherry themselves use in their G80-3000 line of keyboards. It uses the stiff spring of the black switches and has a design a bit like the brown switches but with a more pronounced bump to better go together with the stiff spring. You can only get those keyboards in Europe, I think. In the Cherry inventory, the keyboards with that switch are listed under "tactile". You should take a look at keyboards with the blue MX switch. The bump is more pronounced than with the brown switches, they make a sound that may be annoying, but that sound is not louder than what you get when you spam and bottom out the keys. | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:59 KAB00000000M wrote: Did you watch the MLG? I am not sure what keyboard it looked like he used there. But I cant be sure it was a dt-35. It looked the same like FXO Oz's keyboard. theres more than 1 type of model of dt 35.... | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:48 Boblhead wrote: theres more than 1 type of model of dt 35.... Yes I know that. But I still feel it didn't look like a dt-35. By the way. You didn't confirm if you saw the keyboard at MLG. This would be relevant for me in order to know if you actually have seen the keyboard I am talking about. | ||
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Zorgon
United States211 Posts
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
On June 12 2012 12:13 Ingenol wrote: Rather than make a new thread, could someone recommend me a decent, inexpensive keyboard with a decent number of key rollover via USB? It does not have to be mechanical, I'm just sick of my cheapo keyboard that won't let me press things like A+S+shift+space simultaneously. 6 key roll over is the minimum and all you really need. | ||
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aeyr
United States60 Posts
about $20 less than normal, if anyone is interested. | ||
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