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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
August 20 2014 05:06 GMT
#9861
sc2/d3/heroes are not really intensive, they're pretty low profile games that typically don't load many CPU cores highly or GPU very highly - if i was you i would check temps with some other programs like unigine heaven 4.0 and something to load cpu to 100%, left for say 10 minutes. If it can't stay cool, your cooling is insufficient which is unfortunate with a laptop because unless there's a problem to fix, you can't do much about it.

It's way too common to see them underbuilt to the point where they can't even handle lighter loads and dont have a chance on even normal operation with cpu and gpu simultaneously
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
August 20 2014 13:35 GMT
#9862
Swapped a GTS 450 for a GTX 750ti and dropped 30 fps in CS:GO. Is the GPU not running on max or something like that ?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 20 2014 13:49 GMT
#9863
You could download MSI afterburner and lock at your clock speeds when playing CS:GO, for starters, I guess.

http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 22:32:46
August 20 2014 22:28 GMT
#9864
On August 20 2014 22:35 Intact wrote:
Swapped a GTS 450 for a GTX 750ti and dropped 30 fps in CS:GO. Is the GPU not running on max or something like that ?


Updated GPU drivers? What's your before/after FPS? What CPU is it?

Grab Hwinfo (www.hwinfo.com), use it to check CPU load per core and GPU load when ingame, but tabbed out. The training level is good for that.

you can alternately check those with task manager performance tab (cpu, looking at each core individually) and msi afterburner/gpu-z (gpu)

Whenever i'm looking at performance i've always got those up on a second screen and usually it tells you useful or at least interesting information


It's easy to imagine a situation like you being CPU bound and not maxing either GPU, like for example:

CPU can handle 100fps

gts450 can handle 120fps on low
750ti can handle 300fps on low

^you wouldn't be able to tell a difference between them, game would run at 100fps anyway.


But if 450 could handle 40fps on max and 750ti could handle 120fps, then you'd tell difference with the same weaker CPU if you turned up settings because the 450 wouldn't keep up.

30fps difference, unless that's a very big portion of your FPS (weak cpu??) i find that hard to take into account because it could very easily be placebo or user error unless you specifically recorded a benchmark run. It's easier to work with facts than human memory in my experience
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 20 2014 22:55 GMT
#9865
Can you hear a noticeable difference between ALC887, ALC892 and ALC1150?
Do you hear the difference on that 3 different audio-model too if you use active loudspeaker?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 20 2014 23:56 GMT
#9866
On August 21 2014 07:55 Dingodile wrote:
Can you hear a noticeable difference between ALC887, ALC892 and ALC1150?
Do you hear the difference on that 3 different audio-model too if you use active loudspeaker?

For ideal realizations of the three, possibly, but depends on the circumstances.

On actual motherboards and systems the performance you get isn't what's listed in the more idealized test circuit and on the spec sheet, so it depends on the actual system. You wouldn't be able to say which audio output is better for a given motherboard based on which chip or features it lists.

If, for example, you were to look at SNR specs and so on, I doubt those are met on actual motherboards, especially for the ALC1150 where the number quoted is higher. (but actual SNR probably doesn't matter much if used with most active loudspeakers in most listening rooms as ambient and internal speaker amp's noise floors may well be higher anyway)

You wouldn't know without testing the systems in question, so you probably shouldn't read too much into which is used.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 21 2014 12:41 GMT
#9867
thanks,

I dont read anything :D If I compare technical specifications from all motherboards of all branded articles (Gigabyte, AsRock etc) at H87 or H97. ALC is the only one difference besides price.
Example: http://geizhals.de/?cmp=1107996&cmp=948180&cmp=1107992&cmp=950971
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 21 2014 12:56 GMT
#9868
On August 21 2014 21:41 Dingodile wrote:
thanks,

I dont read anything :D If I compare technical specifications from all motherboards of all branded articles (Gigabyte, AsRock etc) at H87 or H97. ALC is the only one difference besides price.
Example: http://geizhals.de/?cmp=1107996&cmp=948180&cmp=1107992&cmp=950971

The Intel LAN controller is better to have on a board than Realtek LAN controller (probably because of a better quality driver).
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9036 Posts
August 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#9869
I'm playing SC2 on a Windows 8.1 32-bit with 2GB of RAM. I'm getting around 10 FPS in big fights. Do u think adding 2GB more RAM will net me a few more FPS?

Also should I reapply the Large Adress Aware thing after adding more RAM?
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
August 21 2014 22:34 GMT
#9870
Well, 2 GB of RAM is really small amount, so adding 2GB will surely help - if not in SC2, then in other games/apps. But SC2 is more CPU dependent, so the problem may be with processor not being fast enough.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 21 2014 23:15 GMT
#9871
It won't necessarily help. Generally speaking, Windows will attempt to allocate as much RAM as possible to what actively needs it, while paging (using your HDD/SSD as additional "RAM") what it doesn't (it's going to page either way when you're over-allocated, but it tries to be smart where possible). Basically the things that are in "memory" but not being called upon can be pushed to the page and you won't notice the speed difference until accessing it. Naturally your OS needs its own amount of RAM to function well.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 21 2014 23:15 GMT
#9872
After the upgrade, you'll likely only be able to use around 3 GB of the 4 GB with 32-bit Windows.

If those 10 FPS you see are not with some sort of freezes and super choppy, if you see the game still go on smooth (except "smooth" with those super low FPS of course), then the extra RAM won't change anything about your FPS. Added RAM might only help with loading times and how fast the desktop works again after you quit a program that used all of RAM and stuff like that.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 02:54:56
August 22 2014 02:37 GMT
#9873
If a harddrive is labelled as NAS drive, could i still use it as a regular hdd without issue? Does that simply mean they run reliably, but at a lower rpm?

eg: http://www.ncix.com/detail/western-digital-red-3tb-sata3-a0-74269-1493.htm

When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9036 Posts
August 22 2014 02:50 GMT
#9874
On August 22 2014 08:15 Ropid wrote:
After the upgrade, you'll likely only be able to use around 3 GB of the 4 GB with 32-bit Windows.

If those 10 FPS you see are not with some sort of freezes and super choppy, if you see the game still go on smooth (except "smooth" with those super low FPS of course), then the extra RAM won't change anything about your FPS. Added RAM might only help with loading times and how fast the desktop works again after you quit a program that used all of RAM and stuff like that.

Can I use a 1GB stick with a 2GB stick to make it 3GB?
Here's my motherboard: Foxconn G31MX
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
August 22 2014 02:54 GMT
#9875
On August 22 2014 11:37 da_head wrote:
If a harddrive is labelled as NAS drive, could i still use it as a regular hdd without issue? Does that simply mean they run reliably, but at a lower rpm?

eg: http://www.ncix.com/detail/western-digital-red-3tb-sata3-a0-74269-1493.htm


Pretty much. NAS drives are usually a little slower but they are supposed to be fairly durable and reliable.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
August 22 2014 02:55 GMT
#9876
On August 22 2014 11:54 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 11:37 da_head wrote:
If a harddrive is labelled as NAS drive, could i still use it as a regular hdd without issue? Does that simply mean they run reliably, but at a lower rpm?

eg: http://www.ncix.com/detail/western-digital-red-3tb-sata3-a0-74269-1493.htm


Pretty much. NAS drives are usually a little slower but they are supposed to be fairly durable and reliable.


Cool thanks.

My other concern is the fact that its only 5400 rpm. If im only using the drive for media (i.e. anime, movies, music etc), would I notice the speed difference?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 22 2014 03:00 GMT
#9877
On August 22 2014 11:55 da_head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 11:54 felisconcolori wrote:
On August 22 2014 11:37 da_head wrote:
If a harddrive is labelled as NAS drive, could i still use it as a regular hdd without issue? Does that simply mean they run reliably, but at a lower rpm?

eg: http://www.ncix.com/detail/western-digital-red-3tb-sata3-a0-74269-1493.htm


Pretty much. NAS drives are usually a little slower but they are supposed to be fairly durable and reliable.


Cool thanks.

My other concern is the fact that its only 5400 rpm. If im only using the drive for media (i.e. anime, movies, music etc), would I notice the speed difference?

I use a WD Red 3 TB like that. It's fine and feels surprisingly fast compared to the old Samsung 1 TB 7200 RPM drives I had before.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 03:11:47
August 22 2014 03:10 GMT
#9878
On August 22 2014 11:50 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 08:15 Ropid wrote:
After the upgrade, you'll likely only be able to use around 3 GB of the 4 GB with 32-bit Windows.

If those 10 FPS you see are not with some sort of freezes and super choppy, if you see the game still go on smooth (except "smooth" with those super low FPS of course), then the extra RAM won't change anything about your FPS. Added RAM might only help with loading times and how fast the desktop works again after you quit a program that used all of RAM and stuff like that.

Can I use a 1GB stick with a 2GB stick to make it 3GB?
Here's my motherboard: Foxconn G31MX

I'd be worried you are wasting your money doing this, and it will still run at 10 fps in big fights afterwards.

I'd only do it if you find a very cheap, used 2x1GB RAM kit on eBay or some second-hand PC shop (meaning you'll have 4 GB in the PC). If you can't find a very cheap RAM kit, it should be smarter to save the money for the future.

Your 32-bit Windows 8.1 key will also work on 64-bit Windows 8.1 which will enable 4GB. You just have to find a download for the disc image somewhere online. With 64-bit Windows, you could also use any other amount of RAM, could upgrade to 6 GB for example (1+1+2+2 GB sticks). Switching from 32-bit to 64-bit Windows will need a complete reinstallation of Windows. An upgrade where you keep all programs and settings is not possible.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
August 23 2014 02:24 GMT
#9879
I got the bandwidth monitor because of a 300GB data cap. I installed NetWorx to monitor my usage but my landlord informed that we're approaching the limit. I'm trying to currently what the timeframe is but my question is: that program should monitor ALL bandwidth used by my computer right?
Stuck.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 23 2014 03:30 GMT
#9880
It will monitor whatever Windows does while it's turned on, but its accuracy isn't guaranteed. Routers often track usage, which would be much more useful for monitoring multiple people using it.
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