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On March 09 2013 11:20 57 Corvette wrote:I have no idea what this means, and my router logs are being spammed by it. Can anyone help me understand what is going on? + Show Spoiler +
That's totally normal from what I've seen in the past. The last time I looked at what the router sees was when I was using an old PC with Linux as a router and had to do firewall stuff myself, and it looked exactly the same. There are always "attacks" by random people coming in. Typically everything is set to be blocked. That's what the log shows: someone from the outside sent something to the specific ports, "WAN" is the Internet and the "drop" and "deny" means your router threw it away. A decade ago, the last Windows without firewall built in was infected by worms within 15 minutes going online in Germany, simply sitting there without doing anything.
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On March 09 2013 16:22 Cyro wrote:You shouldnt make up your mind on a model beforehand if you have to ask for advice about it, or you are not 100% sure what all of the specs mean etc. It looks ok but you might be able to get a better graphics card or better hard drive, or a lowish capacity SSD and all of those are a pretty big deal
Thank you 
yes i understand that it is bad to fix my choice and yet asking for advice, but there are quite limited options i can choose from at that price point (i only want asus or dell), like a GT650M has its price goes up by 150USD. and i understand that the hard drive will be the main bottleneck but i guess i can make do with it till one year later and replace it with an SSD.
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You wont get anything better than a 4ghz 920 in a laptop - you are looking at performance downgrades or if you spend a lot, something almost or about as good. Actually with that laptop, you'd be very lucky to get half of your current performance mid/lategame on ANY settings. A trinity APU @2.3ghz is not a competitor at all, its one of the worst things you can buy for running sc2 - to match your current performance, you are looking for something like an i7-3xxxQM with a high base clock speed (turbo's are not guaranteed to you) preferably around 3ghz, they dont come cheap at all paired with a GPU to run the game at high settings.
New GPU might (MIGHT) help FPS early game, but FPS in games with a ton of people or in mid-late game, with an at all adequate GPU is capped by performance of 1 CPU core
Getting a new motherboard, RAM and 3570k and overclocking to 4.5ghz would give you something like a 30-45% performance gain in sc2, if you wait for Haswell to be released in just under 3 months (new line of CPU's) then more performance on top of that. It might be less than 10% performance gains, but it might also be something like 15-20%. There's reason to believe as well that they will routinely overclock 500mhz+ further than ivy bridge at the same voltage, if you are an overclocker.
Sorry, i kinda answered both questions in one, but you dont want a GPU upgrade nor a laptop AMD CPU.
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Hello.. I have a problem with my laptop.
I bought a new laptop a while ago, windows 7. Could connect to wireless normally when I bought it and saved home wireless as automatic. First windows update and it failed, googled stuff and I ended up fixing the update problem (idk if relevant). Anyways that was a while ago, and I thought it wasn't much of a problem because everything felt like it worked fine.
So recently I tried to connect to school internet but the password screen will not show up for the wifi at all. I can see available networks and signal strength and all that, click on a network, press connect and nothing happens - no password screen, nothing. Set up new connection or add a wireless network in the network and sharing center doesn't do anything either (literally no response). The only reason home internet works still is because it automatically connects. I can actually disconnect from home internet (actually get a response when I click disconnect) but I have to disable and reopen the wireless connection to get it back on. I checked connect automatically for every network around my home and nothing happens.
Anyone with a clue what's wrong here? And how I can fix it?
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Hey tech dudes. My hard drive is very old and I'm gonna get a new one/backup due to worry about it potentially failing (if I lost my music collection/or projects i would kill myself).
basically just need a current recommendation of a solid HD. I dont use much space, been operating off a 600gig Hd for like 6 years with 180+ still open, but space is very cheap now and I wont end up paying for full price as someone want to gift me one.
So basically can recommend me a reliable decent midrange HD?
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I dunno, HDDs are generally pretty similar. Just do some simple research and check the reviews. For a boot drive you'll probably want a 7200RPM one, but the RPM isn't necessarily indicative of its speed.
Additionally, you can mirror a drive (Raid 1 or through Windows). If you just want backups for specific files/folders, you can get SyncToy (free, used to be part of an XP package) and configure that (it's very simple) + set up scheduled tasks (I run mine nightly). The SyncToy approach has the benefit of letting you use a slower, differently sized, or partially available drive (i.e. External / Hot Swapped), but has the disadvantage of only backing up what you specify.
There's always the option of an SSD + a slower storage drive (1TB for ~$80, 128GB SSD for ~$100, 240/256GB for $180) if you want to splurge.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 12:10 Cyro wrote:You wont get anything better than a 4ghz 920 in a laptop - you are looking at performance downgrades or if you spend a lot, something almost or about as good. Actually with that laptop, you'd be very lucky to get half of your current performance mid/lategame on ANY settings. A trinity APU @2.3ghz is not a competitor at all, its one of the worst things you can buy for running sc2 - to match your current performance, you are looking for something like an i7-3xxxQM with a high base clock speed (turbo's are not guaranteed to you) preferably around 3ghz, they dont come cheap at all paired with a GPU to run the game at high settings. New GPU might (MIGHT) help FPS early game, but FPS in games with a ton of people or in mid-late game, with an at all adequate GPU is capped by performance of 1 CPU core Getting a new motherboard, RAM and 3570k and overclocking to 4.5ghz would give you something like a 30-45% performance gain in sc2, if you wait for Haswell to be released in just under 3 months (new line of CPU's) then more performance on top of that. It might be less than 10% performance gains, but it might also be something like 15-20%. There's reason to believe as well that they will routinely overclock 500mhz+ further than ivy bridge at the same voltage, if you are an overclocker. Sorry, i kinda answered both questions in one, but you dont want a GPU upgrade nor a laptop AMD CPU.
THX for that answer my plan was to buy a notebook to play Sc2 at work and also upgrade desktop at home but i guess its better to wait and buy a completely new one.. So im guessing that when looking at performance in SC for 1v1 only what would be the possibly best CPU i could get thats not overpriced as hell for today's standards ? i never understood the optimization of bllizz games and why SC2 uses only 2 cores from soon be hex core processors ;/
i guess u mentioned 3570 and OC how does this setup looks like then http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-259-OE&tool=3
it has 3570 in it 4.6 ghz oc and its prolly highest clock setting i've seen in retail setups. + watercooling is nice i guess ?
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3570k is the best CPU, i7 has slightly more cache which does not really affect anything and adds Hyperthreading which is about a 20% performance gain in a lot of multithreaded tasks like video encoding, but does not affect pretty much all games - where i5 3570k and i7 3770k have pretty much identical performance at the same clock speed.
Spending more on a CPU would mean going to the LGA2011 platform - Intel's 6-cores - but they are last generation and you are paying extra to have more cores which does not make each core run any better - its actually a downgrade in terms of sc2 performance.
You dont need to start over completely, that system is 1.2k.
Its a 1.2k system with nothing to offer for it, no GPU, no SSD, its not an LGA2011 3930k system (and if it was, that would be wasted money) so its a really bad buy.
When it comes down to it, why not spend £200 on a 3570k, £150 on a good board (i got an asus p8z77-v with a bundle, regular, NOT any other version, and it seems to be a great board, but you might be able to get one at better value), £40 or whatever on RAM and then get good cooling and overclock yourself (with help) for the total price of something like £450? (edit: I allocated £60 for cooling, yes, i can math damnit) Throw in a high end GPU and your total costs are like £150-400 more or whatever. If you want to add an SSD, you can get the Crucial M4 128gb for under £100, if you did not have one before, they are amazing (boot in under 10 seconds on new system and everything loads 4-200x faster than HDD's). Basically, you can destroy that system for a lot less than it costs.
There's no point replacing everything and no point paying somebody £500 to fit a water cooling setup, people seem to think "omg water cooling" like it is some amazing thing, and it is marketed like that, but in reality it's not actually particularly good, especially for somebody who is not a pretty high level enthusiast.
Noctua NH-D14
^That thing will take you whatever the CPU is capable of doing within reasonable voltages.
In the end my suggestion would be to wait a little under 3 months for Haswell release (next CPU generation) and see what that brings, and build an i5 system then, new cpu, motherboard, RAM and GPU. You should be able to keep and re-use most of what you already have, if not all of it, for other stuff.
Haswell is projected to be about 10% faster than ivy bridge at the same clock speed, but it will almost certainly fix a manufacturing defect with ivy bridge that makes them run about 20c hotter than neccesary under overclocked load and probably overclock a little better in general - Haswell has been called "an overclockers dream" by intel engineers and rumor on the web recently, with a few new entire batches of 3570k's and 3770k's getting really insane overclocks + Show Spoiler +, that haswell could regularly go to something like 5ghz at 1.2-1.25v, which would be really awesome if it did happen (Ivy Bridge can only get around 4.4ghz on 1.2v). Probably not, but we can dream.
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well i guess with insane overclocks comes great prices right?? but on the other hand 5ghz seems like a worthy upgrade to I7 920 ;PPP
what about memory speed is 1600 mhz all i need ?
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Yea, 1600mhz cl9 vs 2400mhz cl9 is only like a 5% performance increase and most higher speed RAM comes with random looser timings that cut into the small advantage it has.
Remember that Haswell will be something like 30-45% faster than your current CPU at the same clock speed too, so 4ghz vs 5ghz would be like a 60-80% performance upgrade if it were to happen
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On March 03 2013 07:59 phagga wrote:
Hey all,
I have an old system that I want to upgrade, it's mainly used for gaming. Currently sports an Intel Quad Core, 4 Gig RAM and an NVidia 285 GTX.
The new components that I would like to get:
- Intel Core i5 3570 (3400) Quad Core
- ASRock Z77 Performance
- ASUS Nvidia GeForce GTX650Ti
- Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB 2-Kit XMP DDR3 1600MHz CL9
I already have an SSD that I will keep.
My Questions:
- Do these components fit together? (I was specifically unsure with the RAM, are they a good choice and is the speed correct?)
- What is the rough power consumption of these components with heavy load?
Just wanted to give a short feedback:
- Intel Core i5 3570k (3400) Quad Core
- ASUS Nvidia GeForce GTX650Ti
- Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2-Kit XMP DDR3 1600MHz CL8
- Gigabyte Z77-D3H Mainboard
- Hyper 212 Evo cooler
This is my setup now thanks to you guys, runs overclocked with 4.5 Ghz, stable after one hour of Prime95 torture test. Could probably have gone even higher without much trouble, but I'm happy with this
Thanks a lot to SkyR, Cyro and Craton for your advice!
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Out of curiosity and for future reference, could you describe a little more about the overclock?
What voltage control settings and features does the Z77-D3H have, which are you using, and what voltage are you using for 4.5 GHz? What's the load temperature?
(if you don't remember this stuff and don't feel like running prime95 again / testing / checking settings, then forget about it)
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I gladly will, but I'm at work currently. I even have a screenshot of the testresults, so I'll post them tonight together with some info on the BIOS options.
I also had a few ideas regarding the BIOS settings after waking up this morning, I might to some more tinkering around tonight.
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Yea good to know specifics, some 3570k's do 4.5ghz at 1.15v, some need 1.35v, there's different levels of load line calibration and vdroop and even between stress tests, load temperatures can differ a lot
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So I just ran WoL and it has started the update for the HotS campaign, however it's downloading about 7GB. waaay more than I expected.
I realised it's because it's downloading 3 "languages"..GB, US and TW(Mandarin) versions
This is because in WoL I changed the language to TW, just to check it out, then changed back to GB.
Is there anyway to not download the US and TW language? I don't need them.
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Ok, I tried a few things with the BIOS settings, and I think I have figured the most minimalistic approach out. Also, I tried a few different Speeds for fun, but was promptly stopped at 4.7 GHz where Windows BSODed and my BIOS froze after a couple of seconds when entering. I'm not quite sure what went wrong there, when I look at the values from 4.6 GHz I get the impression I'm far away from maxing out.
The BIOS Settings.
I mainly tried to follow this nice guide at overclock.net which was made for an ASRock-Mainboard. However, the menus and options in my Gigabyte-BIOS are named quite differently, some options I could not find at all. For example, I could not find any options to either set an offset or a Fixed mode. Also, there is no option to set the offset voltage or the turbo voltage (or at least I could not find it). Instead, you can set the VCore directly. However, I noticed that the system increased the value in the BIOS automatically when left on Auto (it was on 1.104 on 3.4 GHz, and is now on 1.110 on 4.5 GHz.).
In the end, all I have changed now are the following settings:
M.I.T./Advanced Frequency Settings
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P): I changed it from Auto to Profile1, which was enough for the system to realize that my RAM runs with 1600 MHz instead of 1333, and it also changed the timings to the correct values.
Advanced CPU Core Features leads to a new Submenu:
M.I.T/Advanced Frequency Settings/Advanced CPU Core Features
- CPU Clock Ratio: I changed this value to different values from 34 to 45, which seems obvious, but it did actually not do anything. When I opened CPU-Z in Window, the Core Speed was unchanged, regardles of what values I had entered in the BIOS. Instead, I had to go to the...
- Intel Turbo Boost Technology, which can be set to Auto, Enabled or Disabled. I have it on Auto, setting it to Enable does not make a difference when overclocking as far as I can tell. There is also a Submenu here with four options:
- 1-Core Active, 2-Core Active, 3-Core Active, 4-Core Active. These four are the real deal. I could set the multiplier for each amount of cores used, and that's what actually changed the frequency. They are all set to 45 now as my System runs with 4.5 Ghz.
- CPU State C1E: I set that one from Auto to Enable just to be sure.
- CPU State C3/C6: I left those on auto
- CPU Thermal Monitor: Changed from Auto to Enable
- CPU EIST Function: Changed from Auto to Enable
There are two more menus with options for overclockers, but I did not change anything in those:
M.I.T/Advanced Memory Settings
M.I.T/Advanced Voltage Settings
The Results
Frequency: 3.8 GHz
Prime 95 Test duration: 30 Minutes
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Frequency: 4.2 GHz
Prime95 Test duration: 5 Minutes
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Frequency: 4.5 GHz
Prime95 Test duration: 60 Minutes
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Frequency: 4.6 GHz
Prime95 Test duration: 5 Minutes
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Frequency: 4.7 GHz
Windows 7 BSOD, BIOS froze after a couple of seconds.
I hope this is what you guys expected? If you need any other information, I'll try to provide it as good as I can. (I'm still an overclocking noob after all).
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What I've seen with Gigabyte to get offset vcore settings working was like this:
You need to have Turbo switched on, and set for example 45, 45, 45, 45 on the four cores. Then you go to the voltage screen, and the vcore setting has Auto, Normal and actual numbers like you've already seen. If you put it on Normal, the offset voltage setting directly beneath it gets switched on, and you can put it on +0.030, etc.
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On March 12 2013 06:37 Ropid wrote:
What I've seen with Gigabyte to get offset vcore settings working was like this:
You need to have Turbo switched on, and set for example 45, 45, 45, 45 on the four cores. Then you go to the voltage screen, and the vcore setting has Auto, Normal and actual numbers like you've already seen. If you put it on Normal, the offset voltage setting directly beneath it gets switched on, and you can put it on +0.030, etc.
I actually tried that, and entered +0.005, but this only led to BSOD and BIOS freeze, so I let it be. Although I have to say I think I enabled it when I was already at 4.4 Gig, so that might have been the problem...
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Probably not enough voltage at 4.7, but you're already pretty well into diminishing returns at that clock.
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