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On December 29 2011 23:05 Duggibobo wrote:
When I start the program and have Starcraft 2 on at the same time, my SC2 tend to lag, I don't know why. Do you know how it might be fixed? When it changed to Windows Basic colour because of xsplit, the SC2 starts to lag. My computer is a 2K $ new computer and I got 24mb/sec, and it lags EVEN tho I havent STARTED to stream yet. Hm ?
Drop your xsplit scene resolution
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On December 29 2011 23:05 Duggibobo wrote:
When I start the program and have Starcraft 2 on at the same time, my SC2 tend to lag,. Do you know how it might be fixed? [...] and it lags EVEN tho I havent STARTED to stream yet. Hm ?
It's perfectly normal to loose some FPS when running XSplit (even when not streaming) no matter what hardware you have. Then there's the issue of input lag. It hits most people, but some don't even notice it. At the moment the most effective solution to minimize the input lag is to use DXtory (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764). You can try it out for free (trial mode).
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In this particular situation (info is sparse, but $2K hardware+good internet) I disagree with you Cyro. Using a 3rd party capture driver will almost certainly allow for higher resolutions than Xsplit's own. While it will also help to reduce resolution, it's not a good solution compared to the alternative.
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One thing, when you go to select channel for the first time using this and first time using JTV it won't show a channel or anything. I couldn't figure it out for a long time and I don't know if it's a problem a lot of other people have but all you need to do is go to JTV and hit "Go LIve" and then it creates a channel and then you go back to Xsplit and it should be there.
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On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote:Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit: Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 Asus P8P67 Motherboard 8168 MB Corsair RAM Samsung SyncMaster 2343nw 2048x1152 Monitor ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1670967880.png) or ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1670969996.png) or ![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1670981704.png) I used these servers because JTV got an "Frankfurt Primary" and "Amsterdam" Server which is very near where i live.But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time. Xsplit settings: http://imgur.com/M7P9oI use 1280x720 @30fps I read through every page here but still cant fix the lag problem. Hope you guys can help me!
Why are you ignoring me ? :'(
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On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote:Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit: Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time. Xsplit settings: http://imgur.com/M7P9oI use 1280x720 @30fps Hope you guys can help me!
Sorry mate, must have missed the post.
You say you get lag ingame - are you referring to 'input lag' or 'fps drop'? (What is your min/max/avg. fps ingame?)
Since you get 'yellow light' from the bandwidth test, your upload can't keep up consistently. But the good news is that you really don't need 4 Mbps for a 720p@30fps, so try lowering it to 3.0 or 2.5 Mbps. This is not related to the ingame lag though. Though it could also be related to this problem: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701&hilit=bitrate&start=30
Let us know how it turns out 
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On December 30 2011 13:07 HellGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote:Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit: Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time. Xsplit settings: http://imgur.com/M7P9oI use 1280x720 @30fps Hope you guys can help me! Sorry mate, must have missed the post. You say you get lag ingame - are you referring to 'input lag' or 'fps drop'? (What is your min/max/avg. fps ingame?) Since you get 'yellow light' from the bandwidth test, your upload can't keep up consistently. But the good news is that you really don't need 4 Mbps for a 720p@30fps, so try lowering it to 3.0 or 2.5 Mbps. This is not related to the ingame lag though. Though it could also be related to this problem: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701&hilit=bitrate&start=30Let us know how it turns out
Np mate, it seems it got a lot better now with Dxtory.I wonder why.First i had like 30 Fps ingame(sc2) and now with Dxtory my fps raised to 40-60fps steady.Now i want to try and get 1080p to work.What settings should i use on Xsplit/Dxtory with my rig?
And i think it is weird that i get yellow when i try the Bandwith tester, cause when i pick the same server on speedtest.net i get my full upload speed.
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On December 31 2011 03:21 xXInsane10Xx wrote:
a) Np mate, it seems it got a lot better now with Dxtory.I wonder why.
b) First i had like 30 Fps ingame(sc2) and now with Dxtory my fps raised to 40-60fps steady.
c) Now i want to try and get 1080p to work.What settings should i use on Xsplit/Dxtory with my rig?
d) And i think it is weird that i get yellow when i try the Bandwith tester, cause when i pick the same server on speedtest.net i get my full upload speed.
a) DXtory is simply better at frame grabbing than XSplit is atm.
b) Sounds right - that's the typical improvement in my experience
c) Well, before you try out 1080p you need to make sure you have the bandwidth. But otherwise except raising the bitrate (~4-5 Mbps) just use the same settings to begin with. Watch your cpu usage on each core as well as any frame drops in XSplit title bar.
d) Well, if you think about it, you're not streaming to the speedtest server. Even though they are located in the vicinity of each other, doesn't mean you get the same speed to both. And yellow just means that you get between 96% and 97% of the bandwidth you aim for, so it's a pretty small margin. If you feel like it, you could stream with that fine, but there probably will be an occasional lag spike for the viewer.
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Hey guys, just a small question...does changing the "location" for Justin.TV help with stream quality? Should I just have it set to Main Origin Cluster, or change it to the closest location to where I live?
Thanks.
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On January 01 2012 07:14 Scila wrote:
Hey guys, just a small question...does changing the "location" for Justin.TV help with stream quality? Should I just have it set to Main Origin Cluster, or change it to the closest location to where I live?
Thanks.
That setting will not affect quality directly. It is simply the destination for which your stream are sent to. Choosing a geographic close location will some times result in higher available upload speeds due to the shorter distance and less amounts of possible congestion points. Having a higher upload speed available could be used to up the bitrate and thus improve the quality. Especially if your upload speed isn't too great, shortening the distance will more than likely help.
If you use the default setting, it will just choose one of the servers for you. Which one, I don't know. It could be random, it could be by current load or it could be by using geo-location on your IP address. In any case I recommend choosing the server, rather than letting it be chosen.
Fun fact: In the newest version Xsplit the server list for Twitch.tv is updated each time you change a setting in the channel settings, so check the list from time to time to see if closer servers are available.
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Just want to add the thing about Dxtory, it makes everything so much smoother, atleast for most people. For myself I can't stream without it because I get massive frame drops when I use it, I also get massive framedrops when my game is "windowed", even windowed fullscreen so I'm pretty limited to using fullscreen.
Also want to add that View-> view scaleport-> actual, makes the fps drop even less, I don't know why and it doesnt make any sense, but having a fullscreen xsplit make your game lagg less, you can also put it to 10% which is better than the standard 80% view.
If anyone got any suggestion how I can fix the lagg when I got windowed mode I would appriciate it.
My system: GPU: ATI radeon 5800
CPU: I7 860 @ 2.8ghz
RAM: 4gig, kinda low thinking of getting another 4gig
I run my xsplit at 1920 reso and same with dxtory, basicly my computer doesnt feel any difference if I go for 1920x1080 or 1280x720, just that whenever I use windowed I get immense fps lagg, it's the same if I use the screen region capture, instead of dxtory. Is it because of my low ram or?
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How important is RAM when it comes to streaming? I'm thinking about adding some RAM as I only got 4gb atm
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Hey mate,
Impressive results - looks good! What did you do? OC your CPU/upgrade hardware?
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On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote:
Also want to add that View-> view scaleport-> actual, makes the fps drop even less, I don't know why and it doesnt make any sense, but having a fullscreen xsplit make your game lagg less, you can also put it to 10% which is better than the standard 80% view.
I would be careful to conclude anything based on (I'm assuming) one observation. I know for a fact that people have varying results when it comes to selecting viewport scale, minimizing xsplit, disabling Aero manually/automatically - it just doesn't work out the same way for everyone
On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote:
I also get massive framedrops when my game is "windowed", even windowed fullscreen so I'm pretty limited to using fullscreen.
If anyone got any suggestion how I can fix the lagg when I got windowed mode I would appriciate it.
I run my xsplit at 1920 reso and same with dxtory, basicly my computer doesnt feel any difference if I go for 1920x1080 or 1280x720, just that whenever I use windowed I get immense fps lagg, it's the same if I use the screen region capture, instead of dxtory.
First off, if you get better results running in true fullscreen using dxtory, why not just stay that way?
You will take a (varying) performance hit using windowed modes, but for me personally it's not a significant drop - however my cpu is an i7 920. Based on what I'm able to achieve with it, I'd say you're aiming high with 1080p. Could you put some numbers to the "massive framedrops" - also post info on cpu usage (look at individual cores as well) while streaming a really intense replay/game.
On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote:
Is it because of my low ram or?
On January 03 2012 03:39 JoeAWESOME wrote:
How important is RAM when it comes to streaming? I'm thinking about adding some RAM as I only got 4gb atm
RAM is not very important when it comes to live streaming. Adding more will not allow for higher resolutions or higher quality per se, but it can allow for running more stuff simultaneously without a performance hit. However, I can't give a conclusive answer as it relies heavily on usage patterns, ie. if you like to have 100+ tabs open in your browser.
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On January 03 2012 11:20 HellGreen wrote:Hey mate, Impressive results - looks good! What did you do? OC your CPU/upgrade hardware?
No need to OC/upgrade. I 100% fixed the fps issue and now play wow at over 100 fps streaming 1080!
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Thanks for the response, I'll post some more info tomorrow, but I still somehow there might be something "special" with my cpu or gpu, my friend which has a similar system just invida gpu can use the screenregion capture, yet it's impossible for me as it makes microing anything extremely hard. I'll try to post something more useful tomorrow.
As for the viewscale port a few other friends reported the same, they had less lag when they used "actual" as the setting, which I can't seem to grasp why as that should put more of a strain due to more detailed, or is the decrompressing taking up this much? Also a quick question, does your HD matter anything at all when just broadcasting, not recording?
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On January 03 2012 12:45 dofz wrote:
a) I still somehow there might be something "special" with my cpu or gpu, my friend which has a similar system just invida gpu can use the screenregion capture, yet it's impossible for me as it makes microing anything extremely hard.
b) As for the viewscale port a few other friends reported the same, they had less lag when they used "actual" as the setting, which I can't seem to grasp why as that should put more of a strain due to more detailed, or is the decrompressing taking up this much?
c) Also a quick question, does your HD matter anything at all when just broadcasting, not recording?
a) Any info you can provide will be appreciated. I know for a fact that for SC2 both AMD/ATI and Nvidia are being hit on performance using screen regions, but my undocumented "scorecard" leaves Nvidia slightly less affected. I can't prove this though.
b) It could be a lot of things, resizing/scaling the preview image takes (a few) cpu cycles, it could be a bug, but who knows but XSplit? I'll still say that minimizing the window should provide the same result I will try it too and see if I get any noticeable result
c) No, if you disable local recording, it does not. The amount of data you're processing on disk is close to the stream bitrate, which is many times lower than the write speed of your hard drive.
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Has anyone every had their internet suddenly just cut out while using Xsplit before? My internet has begun to constantly just disconnect me and every computer in my house since i started streaming the other day.. And really the only way to get it back up is to reset my modem ive been calling Bell (my internet provider) constantly and they cant seem to solve it, so im wondering if it has to do with Xsplit.
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On January 04 2012 06:05 Inquisitor wrote:
Has anyone every had their internet suddenly just cut out while using Xsplit before? My internet has begun to constantly just disconnect me and every computer in my house since i started streaming the other day.. And really the only way to get it back up is to reset my modem ive been calling Bell (my internet provider) constantly and they cant seem to solve it, so im wondering if it has to do with Xsplit.
I hardly think that is Xsplit's fault. At best it could be due to your modem/router crashing (~shutting down), due to the amount of traffic generated - but I do not believe XSplit is at fault. Try using FME, and if it keeps happening check router firmware or even bypass it.
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does anyone know as a JTV producer how to delay your stream? I can't seem to find this option
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