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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
ATI (mobility?) radeon hd 5800 series 4x1gb quad core ram windows 7 sc2 settings all set to low or off. school net gets me 40.53/22.35 so that's not an issue i've been getting really bad spikes in fights and sometimes constantly throughout the game while streaming. currently i'm streaming at 700kbps on qual 6 and 1280x720 res is it purely a graphics card or ram issue? i'd really like to stream more but my game lags really badly. thanks! | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:17 Alejandrisha wrote: Intel Core i5 @2.53ghz ATI (mobility?) radeon hd 5800 series 4x1gb quad core ram windows 7 sc2 settings all set to low or off. school net gets me 40.53/22.35 so that's not an issue i've been getting really bad spikes in fights and sometimes constantly throughout the game while streaming. currently i'm streaming at 700kbps on qual 6 and 1280x720 res is it purely a graphics card or ram issue? i'd really like to stream more but my game lags really badly. thanks! streaming relies very much on your CPU and not so much your graphics card. Your ram should be fine. Trying streaming 854*480 quality 5. If you can play that you can up the quality from there. As far as streaming 720p if your on a laptop assuming thats actually a mobility card you won't get more than 480p out of your computer. There are other things you can do such as this dxtory program... Use the search function for that thread. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:34 Boblhead wrote: streaming relies very much on your CPU and not so much your graphics card. Your ram should be fine. Trying streaming 854*480 quality 5. If you can play that you can up the quality from there. As far as streaming 720p if your on a laptop assuming thats actually a mobility card you won't get more than 480p out of your computer. There are other things you can do such as this dxtory program... Use the search function for that thread. Thanks for helping me out! I switched the res and qual for now. Should I increase the bit rate because as you said, the issue is coming from cpu rather than upload rate? thx again!! edit: checking out dxtory now. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:39 Alejandrisha wrote: Should I increase the bit rate because as you said, the issue is coming from cpu rather than upload rate? What does your CPU usage tell you? Is your CPU maxed when the spikes occurs (look at individual cores)? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:58 HellGreen wrote: What does your CPU usage tell you? Is your CPU maxed when the spikes occurs (look at individual cores)? that's something i should be monitoring; you are absolutely right. i will check that out when i stream from now on so i can help you kind folks assess the sitch | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:04 Alejandrisha wrote: that's something i should be monitoring; you are absolutely right. i will check that out when i stream from now on so i can help you kind folks assess the sitch You can also test this by making an offline recording with XSplit. Do a 'local recording' rather than turn on the stream. If the recording looks fine, your stream issues are network related. (Source: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f3r7) I know there's a negligible added cpu load when uploading the stream, but the above is still a valid test. Your bitrate for an average 720p stream should ideally be around 1800 kbps (it's not an exact number though - different factors can influence it in both directions). (Source: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f3r5) | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On February 23 2011 02:29 After7days wrote: i did a quick test of 300 for a buddy of my. http://www.justin.tv/after7days/b/280139349 it looked okay smooth. thats in medium for starcraft 2, quality 6 with 300up and 800x600 and regarding slayth most do what we can to get as smooth a stream in the best quality  and ofc your pc mattersOn February 26 2011 06:31 AnAngryDingo wrote: awesome guide, very easy to setup, i just had 2 questions firstly, here is a link to the VoD in question: http://www.justin.tv/anangrydingo/b/280385347 1. the sound is very "tinny" anyone know why that is and how to fix it? 2. the tops and bottom of the screens are cutoff i am inputting in 1280x720 and outputting in 640x360 settings are as follows max bitrate- 185 kbps (i know very low, my UL is only around 375 kbps and its the only way i can get it to where there is no input lag) buffer size- 370 audio encoding: 44.100 khz 16 bit stereo bitrate- 112000 thanks to anyone who took the time to help! Hey After7Days and AnAngryDino, I was looking at the videos you guys posted and they all seemed clearer than my stream that I've been trying to work out. My internet at home is also pretty poor, 0.37 mbps upload, and yet I see that you guys seem to be running pretty decent looking streams. I was wondering perhaps if you could give me some tips or maybe send me a list of your full settings? If anyone else has any suggestions that would be awesome too! Here are my specs. Intel i5-2400 Radeon HD 4850 8 GB RAM 1333 MHz Windows 7 3 Mbps down, 0.37 Mbps up Screen Region: 1680x1050 Frames Per Second: Between 15-20 (I've tried both, trying to determine if increasing to 20 fps affects amount of lag I get while streaming (I lag quite a bit when I stream at 350 kbps)) Resolution: 640x400 Location: Main Origin Cluster Preset: Slower Quality: 6 Max Bitrate: 300-350 kbps Buffer: 300-350 kbps Audio: 22.050 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On December 16 2011 18:04 Superiorwolf wrote: Hey After7Days and AnAngryDino, I was looking at the videos you guys posted and they all seemed clearer than my stream that I've been trying to work out. My internet at home is also pretty poor, 0.37 mbps upload, and yet I see that you guys seem to be running pretty decent looking streams. I was wondering perhaps if you could give me some tips or maybe send me a list of your full settings? If anyone else has any suggestions that would be awesome too! Here are my specs. Intel i5-2400 Radeon HD 4850 8 GB RAM 1333 MHz Windows 7 3 Mbps down, 0.37 Mbps up Screen Region: 1680x1050 Frames Per Second: Between 15-20 (I've tried both, trying to determine if increasing to 20 fps affects amount of lag I get while streaming (I lag quite a bit when I stream at 350 kbps)) Resolution: 640x400 Location: Main Origin Cluster Preset: Slower Quality: 6 Max Bitrate: 300-350 kbps Buffer: 300-350 kbps Audio: 22.050 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000 You have 370kbits upload, yet you are dedicating 350(video)+64(audio) to the stream, you dont have enough bandwidth to sustain that, and that is before the extra room you need for running whatever game traffic you need, and before accounting for potential spikes in xsplit output. Keep the audio setting as it is, but drop video to ~200 vbv max bitrate and buffer, and see how it runs. Dont expect any kind of watchable quality, and make sure to monitor CPU to make sure none of your cores are maxing out. If they are, go to a faster preset and try again. If by lag you mean running smoothly but your actions have a delay, units take a while to move after you tell them to move, etc, then you will just have to drop bitrate further. Low or spiky framerate will be CPU based and is a seperate issue. You really cant stream with that upload, as you need to dedicate a notable chunk of it to the game, and to audio, there is just not enough bandwidth for everything... I have ~0.8mbits upload and a relatively heavily overclocked i7 with a good understanding of how xsplit runs and how stuff works in general, and i generally dont stream because it is hard to deliver something that people would be satisfied watching, so its probably best if you just give up on streaming with less than ~1mbit up, if you want to try, go ahead, but dont expect any results | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On December 16 2011 18:21 Cyro wrote: You have 370kbits upload, yet you are dedicating 350(video)+64(audio) to the stream, you dont have enough bandwidth to sustain that, and that is before the extra room you need for running whatever game traffic you need, and before accounting for potential spikes in xsplit output. Keep the audio setting as it is, but drop video to ~200 vbv max bitrate and buffer, and see how it runs. Dont expect any kind of watchable quality, and make sure to monitor CPU to make sure none of your cores are maxing out. If they are, go to a faster preset and try again. If by lag you mean running smoothly but your actions have a delay, units take a while to move after you tell them to move, etc, then you will just have to drop bitrate further. Low or spiky framerate will be CPU based and is a seperate issue. You really cant stream with that upload, as you need to dedicate a notable chunk of it to the game, and to audio, there is just not enough bandwidth for everything... I have ~0.8mbits upload and a relatively heavily overclocked i7 with a good understanding of how xsplit runs and how stuff works in general, and i generally dont stream because it is hard to deliver something that people would be satisfied watching, so its probably best if you just give up on streaming with less than ~1mbit up, if you want to try, go ahead, but dont expect any results Hey, thanks for the response. Yeah, I think I will drop it to like 300 kbps. Below that, as you said, is pretty unwatchable. And yeah, everything runs smoothly and my cores are at like 50-60% I think, it's jsut that actions have delay every now and then and it can really affect my playing. I just find it weird that some people have done a stream at 185 kbps (AnAngryDino) and it seems just as watchable as mine at 350 kbps. Forgot to give an example of how my stream looks atm, at www.twitch.tv/superiorwolf if you're interested. The game on low quality was a test at 285 kbps, the rest are mostly at 350 kbps. ***Actually getting about .42 - .43 kbps upload now on speedtest. Though it's nighttime lol. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 16 2011 18:54 Superiorwolf wrote: [...] a) it's jsut that actions have delay every now and then and it can really affect my playing. b) I just find it weird that some people have done a stream at 185 kbps (AnAngryDino) and it seems just as watchable as mine at 350 kbps. Hey, Ad a) You should definitely look at the DXtory guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764), as this specifically addresses streaming at low bandwidth and that will also help remove some of the input you're mentioning. Ad b) Well, it is hard to compare quality, and you are streaming a 400p whereas he does a 360p. So just keep tweaking. I'd recommend you spend your free cpu resources by trying to lower the preset from default to "faster" - keep a close eye on each core of the cpu. Preferably they must not be maxed, but if you can do this, your overall image quality will increase as well as use less bandwidth due to the better compression in the preset. | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
I was going for an Intel i5 2500k but a friend of mine said that i should buy a AMD Phenom 2 1100T X6 instead because i would get more for the money. But i know that he is good with computers and such but maybe he's not that experienced with streaming games and such so maybe you guys could give me your opinion as well. My thought was that i could dedicate a few cores just for the stream and play on the other cores, but yeah you are much more experienced than me so give me some advice please The components i would run along that CPU are: Geforce 560TI GTX 8GB RAM Intel SSD 320 120GB 100/10Mbit connection | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 18 2011 20:27 poofie wrote: I'm about to buy a new CPU and it mostly for streaming and gaming in general but i need advice... I was going for an Intel i5 2500k but a friend of mine said that i should buy a AMD Phenom 2 1100T X6 instead because i would get more for the money. But i know that he is good with computers and such but maybe he's not that experienced with streaming games and such so maybe you guys could give me your opinion as well. My thought was that i could dedicate a few cores just for the stream and play on the other cores, but yeah you are much more experienced than me so give me some advice please The components i would run along that CPU are: Geforce 560TI GTX 8GB RAM Intel SSD 320 120GB 100/10Mbit connection For HQ streaming you want the best CPU you can get. With your internet you could easily do a 1080p stream, and if you want to do that, even 10% more cpu power will be helpful. I won't go into a value for money discussion (it's off topic) but the i5 2500k has more power. You can do a rough comparison of the two cpu's here (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php). I you have the money and want to stream often, I'd recommend the i5 2500k. | ||
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PAD
United Kingdom15 Posts
My computer is good, i5 2500k 3.3, 8gig ram, geforce gtx570 and my internet is like 5meg download with about 1meg upload this is my stream with the best settings i been able to do for streaming. http://www.twitch.tv/leetpad/b/303172084 my problem is when i move around i get that brickly effect and i dunno how to fix it, i guess i cant untill i get faster upload but i just wanted to know if thats the case or something wrong with my settings. My res is set to 1280x720 fps 25 because i found lowering it didnt help, my quality is set to 10, again lowing it didnt help and my VBV is set to 600, i upded it to as much as 900 in different tests and it still has not fixed my issue . I have spent alot of time trying different settings etc and i still cant seem to get rid of the brick effect, its fine on local recording so that makes me think i cant fix it unless i get faster upload on my internet. Views? thanks PAD | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 21 2011 17:41 PAD wrote: PAD You can play on ultra and stream on ultra no problem, if your running stock 2500k I guess when you get more upload you can probably stream 1080p depending on how fast your new upload is. So to sum it all up your held back by your upload. You might be able to get a 1080p stream out of your pc but not sure how good it will be considering everyone that runs an actual 1080p stream above 4.5mbps have their pcs overclocked to 4.5ghz + | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 21 2011 17:46 Boblhead wrote: if your running stock 2500k I guess when you get more upload you can probably stream 1080p depending on how fast your new upload is. Actually, the preset might be able to help him here. Pad, what have you set this at? Your CPU allows for a slower than 'default' preset which will help with the pixelation as well as narrow the bandwidth needed, thus giving you overall better quality. On December 21 2011 17:46 Boblhead wrote: considering everyone that runs an actual 1080p stream above 4.5mbps have their pcs overclocked to 4.5ghz + I disagree. I run a decent 1080p SC2 stream at 4000 kbps on a i7 920@stock. | ||
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Nikentic
Sweden51 Posts
Radeon HD 4890 8 GB RAM 166 MHz Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 5 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up Screen Region 1920x1080 Frames Per Second: 30 Resolution: 1280x720 Location: London Primary Preset: Faster Quality: 5 Max Bitrate: 1000 kbps Buffer: 2000 Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 112000 My problem is that as soon as I start streaming/recording, xsplit + the record process (v something) takes up 100% of my CPU. I have no idea why, lowering FPS/resolution does not change this. Help? :D | ||
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PAD
United Kingdom15 Posts
On December 21 2011 20:50 HellGreen wrote: Actually, the preset might be able to help him here. Pad, what have you set this at? Your CPU allows for a slower than 'default' preset which will help with the pixelation as well as narrow the bandwidth needed, thus giving you overall better quality. I disagree. I run a decent 1080p SC2 stream at 4000 kbps on a i7 920@stock. i just brought the computer so its still stock settings, i do have a cpu water cooler for when i need to overclock it. I have seen my computer can run a 200/200 fight on ultra with no problems so i know my computer is 100% great. on xspilt i still have it set to default on present, worth me changing that? | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 21 2011 23:23 PAD wrote: I have seen my computer can run a 200/200 fight on ultra with no problems so i know my computer is 100% great. on xspilt i still have it set to default on present, worth me changing that? Yes, try setting it to 'fast' - it will use more CPU resources, but you have plenty of that. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
On December 21 2011 22:25 Nikentic wrote: AMD Phenom II 955 Radeon HD 4890 8 GB RAM 166 MHz Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 5 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up Screen Region 1920x1080 Frames Per Second: 30 Resolution: 1280x720 Location: London Primary Preset: Faster Quality: 5 Max Bitrate: 1000 kbps Buffer: 2000 Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 112000 My problem is that as soon as I start streaming/recording, xsplit + the record process (v something) takes up 100% of my CPU. I have no idea why, lowering FPS/resolution does not change this. You have set the preset to 'faster'. This is hard for the cpu. Your cpu is decent for a 720p, but you can't do that much. Set it back to 'default' (which is 'veryfast'). General advice: You should probably increase your bitrate from 1000 to 2300-2500 if you can get that speed to the server (test it using the 'bandwidth test'). Keep the buffer in the same range. I would also set quality to 7 or 8. Finally have a look at DXTory if you want to improve input lag and ingame fps - your cpu will thank you for it. | ||
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Nikentic
Sweden51 Posts
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