Hallo Teamliquid, I made a danish guide for the program xsplit with justintv. Thinking about it, if done in english there could be a larger use for it. So here is my attempt to help, if you want to stream! here is a quick video guide step by step or writen guide if you prefer. Before we start, I am NO EXPERT I simply wish to help anyone that wants to stream as best I can
""Edit: When pushed Xsplit will use more then the maximum limit you have set on kbps, dont max it out to what your upload can, plan ahead"" I use max bitrate (kbps) 1000, My internet can handle up to 1400""
These are my current settings. SC2 on Medium Resolution 960x600 ratio 8:5 /my desktop 1680x1050 also 8:5 if the resolution you want isnt in the list "Tool - Settings - put a check on the one you want" and it will show up on the list out infront under "View - Resolutions" Frame rate 25 Max bitrate (kbps): 1000 but I have set it lower then I can go. xsplit will try and take more if its pressed fx 200 vs 200 army
Step by Step. First make an account on justintv, when your account is made you move into the account section http://www.justin.tv/settings?section=account and to the right of your email there is a verify button, you will need to verify your account which is done by pressing that and you recieve an email with a link
Now we download xsplit http://www.xsplit.com/download , you can chose to make an account on xsplit now or later when its installed. (xsplit also needs to be verified), when making an account you get an email with a link.
Before we setup Xsplit, open your Starcraft 2, options - Graphics and select Windowed(Fullscreen) you do this or xsplit wont be able to stream starcraft2
Now setting up xsplit to stream. first time you open xsplit you will get a login in box, use the account you made on their site, or make a new one, click the remember me, and you wont have to do it again, thats always a lovely feature
Once Xsplit starts up you will get this image below, its a fairly simple program First open broadcast and press "Edit channels" Once in there press Add and select justintv
Next is typing your Account on justintv, password and streaming settings, upload and such. I recommend streaming quality 6 and upwards, the picture is with 500kbps and you will get a nice stream with that, if you can do more try adjusting to your desire :D the buffer will follow the upload you have selected. I also upped the audio but thats up to you, and I also turned off auto recording of broadcasts.
In General settings, I turned on Virtual camera but, I am not sure if its needed for this guide to work, feel free to test below is your microphone setting, it found my on its own
Next we do the resolution size for your stream and frame rate, this is done in the main portion of Xsplit, under the option View. I recommend 1280x720 and between 20-30frames
The last part to be done before streaming is adding a screen region in the button left of the program. Press Add select screen region, start from a top corner and drag it to cross buttom. When have boxed your screen a smaller version should appear inside xsplit, drag it out so it filles the xsplit screen, and you are done, you can now stream by pressing broadcast and your stream! It will say streaming in the top of xsplit Below is how it will look after you dragged the window out inside xsplit
I cant think of anything else atm, feel free to ask questions and ill try and answer what i can. Also my spelling and gramma is quite bad, I know, did my best but I hope the overall guide can be used
Edit: Changed my settings for a more smooth stream, the changes are listed in top of the topic My settings, in bold Hope the changes can help.
You gotta remember, its not just about the net for your stream, you also gotta have decent specs for encoding 720p+ while gaming on the PC and not using a capture card from a console.
A good general idea is that for some reason, JTV users would prefer to have higher quality than FPS. If you want to go with this cliche, then go ahead and deal with the lower FPS and higher standings.
If you don't have lets say an i-7, high end graphics card, and atleast 4 gigs of 1600 ddr3 ram, your very unlikely to get higher than 30 fps stream to your viewers. But as I said, this is the JTV community, who prefers quality over fps.
i did a quick test of 300 for a buddy of my. http://www.justin.tv/after7days/b/280139349 it looked okay smooth. thats in medium for starcraft 2, quality 6 with 300up and 800x600
and regarding slayth most do what we can to get as smooth a stream in the best quality and ofc your pc matters
Your sample is of 500 kbps? My upload speed is 1Mbps - 1.2mbps. How much does SC2 need? Can I use the same kbps as you? That quality looks perfect! (My computer can handle this easily, it's just my crappy internet provider having a monopoly where I live.)
On February 23 2011 05:36 holynorth wrote: Your sample is of 500 kbps? My upload speed is 1Mbps - 1.2mbps. How much does SC2 need? Can I use the same kbps as you? That quality looks perfect! (My computer can handle this easily, it's just my crappy internet provider having a monopoly where I live.)
Higher the quality higher the bitrate, so if you want to stream super clear, then higher bitrate is better
On February 23 2011 05:36 holynorth wrote: Your sample is of 500 kbps? My upload speed is 1Mbps - 1.2mbps. How much does SC2 need? Can I use the same kbps as you? That quality looks perfect! (My computer can handle this easily, it's just my crappy internet provider having a monopoly where I live.)
Higher the quality higher the bitrate, so if you want to stream super clear, then higher bitrate is better
So does quality setting work as a multiplier or something? He has it set to stream at 500kbps then also sets the quality. What overall kbps is he streaming at? I just want quality similar to his with my 1 mbps upload. Is that possible?
quality i think just deals with pixelation, I don't think its a multiplier, but 4-6 should be good enough for average streams, Havn't tried anything higher than 6. Just try out different settings, but make sure to have the auto record feature on so you can look at your vods and see the difference in quality. Thats what I did to finally get a decent picture.
Regarding how much starcraft2 uses, my max upload / cap and buffer. Well i buy a 10/3 connection but i get between 1.2 - 1.4upload from my provider (Speedtest) , so normally i stream with the cap of 1000, audio 100 and then the idea of the streaming maybe using abit more from time to time "100 safe zone" and 100 for sc2, so in total 1.4 where my upload normally is maxed out. So to be clear this is my math 1000 stream 100 audio(you may only need 50kbps on standard) 100 Starcraft2 100 save zone This is what works for me so i dont get delay from my connection, remember you can max out your computer and get lags from that if your not close to maxing your connection but your pc is laggin or the stream, try lowering starcraft2 settings What we want is a SMOOTH stream that looks GOOD
I dont think starcraft2 uses 100, but try maybe 50 see if its lags, then up it with 25 How large does the buffer size need to be, tbh i would recommend letting xsplit control that unless your very experienced in the science of streaming. It will adjust on its own when you turn your stream up and down, its job is simply to be the "buffer" between your upload and the stream, and the size of that xsplit seems to control very well, i have not had any problems there.
Do any of you know if it's possible to use another PC in lan to stream? For example I play on one which sends with a recording software everything to another that encodes to xsplit.
im also tried this even that my upload speed is incredibly low lol. i can get about 300-400bitrate without huge lag but i when i stream i get jumping black screens like every second on screen. someone know how i could fix that? i also tried high bitrate but it doesnt work.
I use 1000 kbps on Max Bitrate and 1000 on buffer size and when I stream, the kbps runs like only max 800kbps, I want it to run on full 1kbps. I'm really confused between kbps and KB/s. Also, when I do speedtest while streaming, I still have like 1mbps left.. should I try to increase the Max Bitrate?
I've tried to use programs like WeGame (with half decent results in terms of framerate using Web quality recording) and Taksi (with very bad results framerate wise) to record gameplay videos.
Apparently two of my biggest bottlenecks are the fact that I don't have a second hard drive to save videos to, and that because of filesize limitations, I am slowed more by the encoding done on-the-fly when not using Fraps.
Anyway, the question is: Does livestreaming have an adverse effect on your framerate?
On February 24 2011 10:22 TR wrote: im also tried this even that my upload speed is incredibly low lol. i can get about 300-400bitrate without huge lag but i when i stream i get jumping black screens like every second on screen. someone know how i could fix that? i also tried high bitrate but it doesnt work.
A flickering black screen on the stream is caused by leaving the game's display mode at Fullscreen. You need to change it to "Windowed (Fullscreen)".
hmm wtf. mine keeps saying "please enable Xsplit broadcaster and enable output to virtual camera." which i have alrdy enabled...it keeps on saying this w/e i do when i play around with the settings, im certain i have ticked the box were it says "enable virtual camera output" and yet it still shows this... help? X_X
On February 24 2011 10:24 Goodseed wrote: I use 1000 kbps on Max Bitrate and 1000 on buffer size and when I stream, the kbps runs like only max 800kbps, I want it to run on full 1kbps. I'm really confused between kbps and KB/s. Also, when I do speedtest while streaming, I still have like 1mbps left.. should I try to increase the Max Bitrate?
raise your quality up a 1 and increase the bitrate to 1500, your stream should use almost all of it, remember if your streaming your webbrowser its gonna be at a lower bitrate, if you stream your game during a 200/200 battle the the bitrate will be alot higher, just cause its outputting more content.
On February 24 2011 11:25 Clbull wrote: I got a question.
I've tried to use programs like WeGame (with half decent results in terms of framerate using Web quality recording) and Taksi (with very bad results framerate wise) to record gameplay videos.
Apparently two of my biggest bottlenecks are the fact that I don't have a second hard drive to save videos to, and that because of filesize limitations, I am slowed more by the encoding done on-the-fly when not using Fraps.
Anyway, the question is: Does livestreaming have an adverse effect on your framerate?
Yes livestreaming has an effect on your fps, just cause it is very cpu intensive, it will be intensive if you want to record the vods to your hdd, but most of the streaming websites allow the vods to be saved directly to your profile, and some even have the capability to output the vods to youtube, if thats what you wanted to do. What are your pc specs? Usually pc's with like 3.2+ dual core processors or 2.6+ quad cores have the capability to stream but it depends on the architexture of the chip. If you really want to record vods i suggest just unchecking the auto record broadcasts, and let the streaming website record them for you :D
Hey guys. I've been fiddling around with some settings trying to find the best way to get good quality and no lag. I find even the slightest bit of delay between movements hard to play with. It's not necessarily a huge deal but it can be when microing away from baneling or storms.
Some of my specs:
Q9550 @3.5ghz 4gb ddr2 RAM ATI 5770
My main problem with streaming is definitely my internet connection. I get 6mb down and 0.67up max (I live in Canada).
The best I think I've come up with is streaming at -20fps -1088x612 -quality 6 -500kbps -200kbps buffer size -44.1khz stereo sound @ 64kbps
I get roughly a 15FPS drop in game and sometimes even more when in a long macro game, down to maybe 25fps. The delay gets kind of bad at times too. Basically, what settings do you suggest I can increase or decrease with the specs I have? I'm noticing I'm not using all of my CPU power as well but I don't know which settings heavily favor CPU power.
Going to do some tests with 2 different pc's one being a older gen quad core, and another being a higher end quad. Both pcs are clocked at the same speed 3.06 ghz. Will post results
with the q6600 you can see the stream, but its terribly pixelated, this is cause its an first gen quad core 65nm, the graphics card is also a budget, now I'm sure you could bump the quality to at least a 5 with sufficient over clocking and cooling.
with the i7 950 xsplit was actually putting out more than the set bitrate, this is why you may notice some stuttering through the video, at one point in the 500 kbps test xsplit was demanding 800 kbps, with the 1000 kbps it spiked up to 1300, and with the 1750 it also spiked up to 1960, this is why you may notice more stuttering. Luckily I have a 5 mb upload speed, but still if you are having troubles with streaming and notice your stream is stuttering with xsplit its cause its demanding more bandwidth than its given. People that are having stuttering problems from their streams may have to lower your broadcasting resolution, This solution might help
As for people having trouble with FPS drops I suggest you lower your broadcasting resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution always try and match your native aspect ratio's for maximum quality,another solution for fps drops is if you don't have vertical sync on you should make sure and apply it, this will match your refresh rate of your screen.
On February 25 2011 06:02 Xanbatou wrote: Is it important to set the GFX low? In particular, what is the most important? Textures or all the other stuff?
depends on your cpu/gfx card in my other post the q6600 graphics are on low cause the card used is a 5570 and overall that card is completely a budget card. What is your cpu/graphics?
On February 25 2011 06:02 Xanbatou wrote: Is it important to set the GFX low? In particular, what is the most important? Textures or all the other stuff?
depends on your cpu/gfx card in my other post the q6600 graphics are on low cause the card used is a 5570 and overall that card is completely a budget card. What is your cpu/graphics?
On February 25 2011 06:02 Xanbatou wrote: Is it important to set the GFX low? In particular, what is the most important? Textures or all the other stuff?
depends on your cpu/gfx card in my other post the q6600 graphics are on low cause the card used is a 5570 and overall that card is completely a budget card. What is your cpu/graphics?
I have an i7-2400 and a radeon 6870.
you should be able to play and stream on high with some ultra settings, but streaming entirely in ultra would make your fps go down unless you had another card for crossfire. The i7 950 build has medium-> ultra settings, but since the card is considered a budget I would need another to even think of streaming on ultra.
I tried alot of different settings in Xsplit but it wont run smooth with your settings. :/ Got easly 1mb/s up and a pretty decent computer (6 core, 4gb ram etc) but everytime i try a resolution above 800x600 my bitrate goes up to like 1000/1100 even though its set to 800 for video and 96k stereo. Quality setting on standard(which is 5 or 6 i guess?). Just wondering why 500kbps are fine with such a high resolution?
I've got a slight lag/shutter/flicker/stop in my stream... I've got a 5Mb/s UL. I Currently have my Bitrate at 2000 & my buffer at 2000. Quality at 6... I've got a Phenom II X4 955, and a 5770 Raedon... I am streaming from my 1680x1050 to a 1280x720 and have it set to 30 FPS. I feel like I shouldn't be encountering these issues. My setup / Bandwidth is more than enough to cover streaming in 720p or even 1080p. Not sure how to optimize it so I can get this minor flicker out of the way.
On February 26 2011 04:17 Popsiclestik wrote: I've got a slight lag/shutter/flicker/stop in my stream... I've got a 5Mb/s UL. I Currently have my Bitrate at 2000 & my buffer at 2000. Quality at 6... I've got a Phenom II X4 955, and a 5770 Raedon... I am streaming from my 1680x1050 to a 1280x720 and have it set to 30 FPS. I feel like I shouldn't be encountering these issues. My setup / Bandwidth is more than enough to cover streaming in 720p or even 1080p. Not sure how to optimize it so I can get this minor flicker out of the way.
The only thing wrong is xpslit will demand more bandwidth than its given to use this is why your stream will flicker, and lag, decrease your quality to 5, and keep your bitrate the same, you should be able to see whether or not it still has the issue, if you want the quality of 6 you should then boost your bitrate to around 2500 to see if that helps.
Alright thanks. I mean... I could boost it up to roughly 4000 If I wanted to. I have the bandwidth for it. but even when I did, I wasn't noticing the flicker stop, although I think I was on Quality 10 when I tried it last, I'll give it a go, and maybe up my bitrate to 3000. I don't understand how the buffer size works, should it be lower, same, or x2 of your bitrate. I have a 5Mb/s So I want to use it to the fullest to get he best quality.
i'm using turtle beach x31's, i used to use them for my xbox 360.
they are wireless headphones, there is a receiver which plugs into USB, and then a green cord that plugs into the headphone jack.
maybe this is the problem, i'm not at my desktop right now, but i'll be sure to try to lower my bitrate later and maybe try without the headphones and see how that turns out
what is buffer size for ? I have upload limited to 0,99mbps and hi-end pc, what settings will be best for me? What settings should i get lower, also other people use my connection so i can't use max upload.
Hi everyone, I asked this in the other thread but...
I currently have 500 kbps upload and I'll have to pay even more (THANKS ROGERS) to get 1 MBps upload.
I stream at 640 by 360 at 12 FPS (though I used to do 15 at school when I had better upload)
If I upgrade to 1 MBps, would that be enough to stream and play at the same time without lagging my game up? Currently if I do that my game suffers and I'll get 0.5-1 second delay.
Also I saw above that someone was able to actively limit their bitrate with Xsplit. How is that possible - and is it recommended?
On March 03 2011 00:16 Antimage wrote: I currently have 500 kbps upload and I'll have to pay even more (THANKS ROGERS) to get 1 MBps upload.
I stream at 640 by 360 at 12 FPS (though I used to do 15 at school when I had better upload)
If I upgrade to 1 MBps, would that be enough to stream and play at the same time without lagging my game up? Currently if I do that my game suffers and I'll get 0.5-1 second delay.
Also I saw above that someone was able to actively limit their bitrate with Xsplit. How is that possible - and is it recommended?
One megabit is enough to stream close to 720p, you can even do actual 720p if you're okay with dropping the framerate a little. I prefer smoother motion so I run a little under 720p.
The XSplit configuration guide (OP) has a step that allows you to select video bitrate. I just upgraded to a 1MB connection and I can stream with the following settings:
700 Kbps video, 1400 buffer, quality 10
44.1Khz 16-bit mono audio, 64000 bps AAC
1088x612 (16 : 9) resolution
25 fps
My PC is a Q9450 (quad core, overclocked to 3.2GHz), 4GB ram, with a GTX 460, running SC2 on High graphics settings with 1080p monitor.
My internet is gosu, i have 1MB upload and all that and I have gosu comp but it still causes my game to lag if I'm streaming while I play. It's not smooth like it would be if I weren't streaming. Any suggestions?
Does anybody have an idea why the xsplit sometimes gets more then 500kbps? cuz my upload rate is only 926kbps. I maxed it to 500 but it ranges from 350 to 750 , at 750 its like playing on the korean server xD I changed my sound settings a bit does it take alot of upload?!
On March 03 2011 00:16 Antimage wrote: I currently have 500 kbps upload and I'll have to pay even more (THANKS ROGERS) to get 1 MBps upload.
I stream at 640 by 360 at 12 FPS (though I used to do 15 at school when I had better upload)
If I upgrade to 1 MBps, would that be enough to stream and play at the same time without lagging my game up? Currently if I do that my game suffers and I'll get 0.5-1 second delay.
Also I saw above that someone was able to actively limit their bitrate with Xsplit. How is that possible - and is it recommended?
One megabit is enough to stream close to 720p, you can even do actual 720p if you're okay with dropping the framerate a little. I prefer smoother motion so I run a little under 720p.
The XSplit configuration guide (OP) has a step that allows you to select video bitrate. I just upgraded to a 1MB connection and I can stream with the following settings:
700 Kbps video, 1400 buffer, quality 10
44.1Khz 16-bit mono audio, 64000 bps AAC
1088x612 (16 : 9) resolution
25 fps
My PC is a Q9450 (quad core, overclocked to 3.2GHz), 4GB ram, with a GTX 460, running SC2 on High graphics settings with 1080p monitor.
Whaaattttttt. What kind of FPS do you get in game?
I stream using 500kpps video, 500 buffer, quality 6 44.1khz 16-bit stereo audio, 64000bps 1088x612 22 fps
I only get .67 up though so that might be one of the problems.
I have a Q9550 @ 3.5, 4gb ram, 5770 running sc2 on low @ 1680x1050 and I get huge fps problems while streaming. I'll start off in the 60s but end up in the high teens or low 20s during the late game. I also get huge stuttering or skipping when scrolling around, just a general weird feeling.
if you get really low ingame fps when you start streaming, you can trying lowering the settings for starcraft2, if no effect then stream, non of that work, buy a new pc Streaming requires a good pc and decent upload
On March 03 2011 00:16 Antimage wrote: Hi everyone, I asked this in the other thread but...
I currently have 500 kbps upload and I'll have to pay even more (THANKS ROGERS) to get 1 MBps upload.
I stream at 640 by 360 at 12 FPS (though I used to do 15 at school when I had better upload)
If I upgrade to 1 MBps, would that be enough to stream and play at the same time without lagging my game up? Currently if I do that my game suffers and I'll get 0.5-1 second delay.
Also I saw above that someone was able to actively limit their bitrate with Xsplit. How is that possible - and is it recommended?
Go to "Edit Channels", and the "Max Bitrate" option should be right there. I would leave ~200 kbps of uploading left for SC2 so you don't have much of a delay. It's definitely recommended to do that.
Streaming at 12 FPS is quite low, though. I recommend going up to 20; it's perfectly doable at 500 kbps.
Okay. I was streaming fine using Dynno but then i ran out of the free uses so decide to switch to xsplit.
I run SC2 on low settings (for the visual clarity), and here are my Xsplit settings:
Quality 6 Resolution 960x600 (my monitor is 1440x900) FPS I've tried 15-30 Max Bitrate: 1000mb/s
and it runs like a slideshow. My computer runs fine but people watching the stream say it's awful. Any idea what I should be trying to tweak? / does the fact that i have a second monitor influence this at all? I assumed if my computer was having trouble handling the recording that SC2 would start to slow down (like it did when i used Dyyno most of the time) but SC2 runs like a champ while i've been using Xsplit. Any thoughts would be most appreciated.
Edit:
Okay, now i dropped my quality to 2 and my friend who's watching says the quality looks identical but now it's running better. Rather than running like a slideshow it's running really well for about three quarters of a second then really slow for three quarters of a second and just doing that back and forth. That seems like an internet/upload issue to me, am i correct in that thinking? If so, anything i could do about that?
double edit: yeah so i just realized it shows your bitrate while broadcasting. It spikes between 90 and 800 Kbps, going all over the place. I wonder how Dyyno worked so well given that my bitrate is going nuts.
Ive been trying with lower resulution, more fps, less/more kbps and all other settings. But there is no diffierence really. When i get the resulution to abit less (lets say 7**x***) my CPU while playing sc2 is at like 70-80% usage, and my in game fps is more then 100 which makes me think the problem is not in the CPU.
So my questions is, is my video card the problem and if i buy new one, will i be able to get better stream with this CPU. Can you suggest something to fix the annoying lag, without cuting too much on the quality.
I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
First of all let me start by saying i have tried many guides for this.
I have Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2400 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) RAM: 8GB Windows 7 x32
I am using justin.tv with xsplit with 1000 bit rate 30 fps and 800x600 and ive tried other resolutions but nothing seems to work help and thanks in advance.
Oh yea sorry i wanted to ask because even at 1000 bit rate im still getting lag and im using 6 quality constant spikes (firefox) Delay is good not like 1 minute but like 15 seconds but the constant spikes only in starcraft 2. For League of legends and Warcraft the stream is perfect.
On March 26 2011 03:28 Serejai wrote: I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
sc2 doesnt use that much bandwidth, as far as d2 goes idk how much it uses in comparison. I would suggest you contact jtv and ask them about upgrading your account to a producer account, because I know producers get more bandwidth options which might help out with your problem on jtv side. And streaming on extreme isnt all that ideal. I would consider lowering to high with keeping physics, and other cpu intensive stuff on ultra, gpu intensive i would keep to high settings.
On March 25 2011 07:30 Cider wrote: Okay. I was streaming fine using Dynno but then i ran out of the free uses so decide to switch to xsplit.
I run SC2 on low settings (for the visual clarity), and here are my Xsplit settings:
Quality 6 Resolution 960x600 (my monitor is 1440x900) FPS I've tried 15-30 Max Bitrate: 1000mb/s
and it runs like a slideshow. My computer runs fine but people watching the stream say it's awful. Any idea what I should be trying to tweak? / does the fact that i have a second monitor influence this at all? I assumed if my computer was having trouble handling the recording that SC2 would start to slow down (like it did when i used Dyyno most of the time) but SC2 runs like a champ while i've been using Xsplit. Any thoughts would be most appreciated.
Edit:
Okay, now i dropped my quality to 2 and my friend who's watching says the quality looks identical but now it's running better. Rather than running like a slideshow it's running really well for about three quarters of a second then really slow for three quarters of a second and just doing that back and forth. That seems like an internet/upload issue to me, am i correct in that thinking? If so, anything i could do about that?
double edit: yeah so i just realized it shows your bitrate while broadcasting. It spikes between 90 and 800 Kbps, going all over the place. I wonder how Dyyno worked so well given that my bitrate is going nuts.
Cider, the main reasons for xsplit slideshow/lag is the resolution compared to the upload. xsplit will try and use more then your upload can handle. I current use same resolution as you with 1000kbps and i can max out @ 1400. Try taking a lower resolution, you should again try and find a (8x5) like your screen is. that always helps
On March 26 2011 10:50 Stealth.Ninja wrote: First of all let me start by saying i have tried many guides for this.
I have Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2400 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) RAM: 8GB Windows 7 x32
I am using justin.tv with xsplit with 1000 bit rate 30 fps and 800x600 and ive tried other resolutions but nothing seems to work help and thanks in advance.
Oh yea sorry i wanted to ask because even at 1000 bit rate im still getting lag and im using 6 quality constant spikes (firefox) Delay is good not like 1 minute but like 15 seconds but the constant spikes only in starcraft 2. For League of legends and Warcraft the stream is perfect.
Stealth.Ninja seems like a wierd problem you should have enough upload to handle those settings try my new settings: I will add my new settings to the front of the guide. These are working best for me. currently
I went for a resolution ratio 8:5 which matches my desktop size (gives a little extra smoothness) Just adding a new resolution under resolution edit, didnt work for me in xsplit so i found one of its own that matched. But if you are in doubt about your ration, you can add your desktop size and then go down the list finding 1 that matches. Talking about the number after the size 800x600 has 4:3 ratio
Resolution: 960x600 8:5 Frame rate: 25 Max Bitrate (kbps): Important here is that my internet max is 1400, i am leaving room for xsplit to use more, cause IT WILL
Side note for you Stealth.ninja Windows 32bit can only use or see 3gb ram, if you have 8, 5 is just not being used. Hope you can look into that
Is there any way to keep SC2 in fullscreen mode? The windowed mode kills my FPS and adds just enough lag to make blink micro impossible. Does Xsplit just not support streaming SC2 in fullscreen? Is there another program that would work?
Alternatively, is there a way I could reduce the lag? If I'm gonna stream, I want to win at least half my games....
I dont know of any streaming program that lets sc2 run in fullscreen, also streaming is not suppose to cause lag, its all about tweaking until you find the settings that work for you. But it sounds like your computer is not up to the task of streaming, if your having fps problems by just changing to windowed. If you read the questions/answers in the thread, you might find a solution for your problem.
On April 01 2011 14:38 After7days wrote: I dont know of any streaming program that lets sc2 run in fullscreen, also streaming is not suppose to cause lag, its all about tweaking until you find the settings that work for you. But it sounds like your computer is not up to the task of streaming, if your having fps problems by just changing to windowed. If you read the questions/answers in the thread, you might find a solution for your problem.
My computer is brand new, so I'd think it's up to the task. Maybe the windowed setting just looks strange to me and it'll just take getting used to.
On March 26 2011 03:28 Serejai wrote: I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
Just an update on my efforts here to get a 1080p stream working. I've narrowed down the issue to frame rate in XSplit. If I try to stream 1080p over 15 FPS, the stream will stutter every 2-3 seconds. Note that my CPU usage is under 40%, GPU usage is under 70%, and RAM usage is under 60% so I'm not bottlenecked by anything on my end.
I'm starting to think the issue is XSplit itself, as starting it up instantly cuts my FPS in half locally (even when not streaming) but it's not actually adding any extra strain to my computer. It just seems to kill local performance for no reason.
On March 26 2011 03:28 Serejai wrote: I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
Just an update on my efforts here to get a 1080p stream working. I've narrowed down the issue to frame rate in XSplit. If I try to stream 1080p over 15 FPS, the stream will stutter every 2-3 seconds. Note that my CPU usage is under 40%, GPU usage is under 70%, and RAM usage is under 60% so I'm not bottlenecked by anything on my end.
I'm starting to think the issue is XSplit itself, as starting it up instantly cuts my FPS in half locally (even when not streaming) but it's not actually adding any extra strain to my computer. It just seems to kill local performance for no reason.
This happens to me too. I can't see where's the bottleneck.
I'm having a huge difficulty getting local sound to work. I can't seem to figure it out, but whenever I try to stream or record videos there's no sound. Anyone know how to fix this?
I just wanted to say thank you very much for this guide! I was having all sorts of difficulties trying to get my stream to stop being zoomed in when using FME and VH Screen Capture. I tried your method and FINALLY got it to start working properly so thank you very much. I hope I don't jinx it by saying thanks and saying it works now, haha.
On March 26 2011 03:28 Serejai wrote: I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
Just an update on my efforts here to get a 1080p stream working. I've narrowed down the issue to frame rate in XSplit. If I try to stream 1080p over 15 FPS, the stream will stutter every 2-3 seconds. Note that my CPU usage is under 40%, GPU usage is under 70%, and RAM usage is under 60% so I'm not bottlenecked by anything on my end.
I'm starting to think the issue is XSplit itself, as starting it up instantly cuts my FPS in half locally (even when not streaming) but it's not actually adding any extra strain to my computer. It just seems to kill local performance for no reason.
This happens to me too. I can't see where's the bottleneck.
I figured out what the issue is, if you're still having trouble.
So basically, the problem is that XSplit absolutely sucks with streaming 720p/1080p. It's amazing for lower qualities, but I switched over to FMLE and I can stream dual 1080p streams now with no trouble at all and also much better quality than XSplit.
Basically, you still use XSplit as the capture device and for resolution/framerate, but all of the encoding is handled by FMLE. I didn't think XSplit was the problem since everyone keeps saying how much better it is than FMLE, but apparently that's only for non-HQ streams. A few hours browsing around google turned up quite a bit of information on how XSplit can't handle HD streaming yet.
So, if you need any help with setup just toss me a PM. XSplit will probably work better once it's out of beta, but for now it looks like the only way to stream decent HD is with FMLE as the encoder.
Thanks for the guide, made it pretty simple and easy to setup. My only problem is when I have the stream running, I'm getting a huge amount of screen tearing in game. Any ideas on how to reduce the screen tearing or any settings in game I should change? I have VSYNC on and don't experience the tearing with the stream offline, not sure if it is a hardware limitation or something.
Hardware Specs: i5-750 @ 3.6 GHz 8GB ram gtx 460
Thanks if you happen to know a solution, tried to look on my own and couldn't find any help on either justin.tv or xsplit's sites
just wondering, when xsplit is DONE with their beta. do I have to buy xsplit -___- cause I stupidly already bought dUb (cause j.tv advertised that or whatever), and now I'm a bit iffy about buying another one (that is, if xsplit requires me to pay for their stuff eventually -.-)
Thank gosh for this guide, I have wanted to take some time to do it but just didn't. People make some threads with silly problems that have already been answered. Now it is all confined into one post:D
when trying to stream live all i get is a black screen. any1 know how to fix this? I can see my desktop fine in the xsplit window but its not transferring to justintv.
my computer is not that great and i just want to see if this works for bw, theres already a significant amount of lag but thats not my main problem atm.
On April 14 2011 07:31 FyRe_DragOn wrote: when trying to stream live all i get is a black screen. any1 know how to fix this? I can see my desktop fine in the xsplit window but its not transferring to justintv.
my computer is not that great and i just want to see if this works for bw, theres already a significant amount of lag but thats not my main problem atm.
On April 14 2011 09:02 blade55555 wrote: Anyone know how to fix the issue when you click broadcast and xsplit just stops responding?
I have not had this problem personally, but my buddy tells me you should do this. 1) Ctrl Alt Delete and close this process on Xsplit 2) Close any browser or media 3) Start up xsplit and broardcast, start browser / media
For me personally, if i try and start xsplit i have to have my browser closed, other then that no problems.
I've been trying to get Xsplit to work properly. I followed all the guides and everything and I can get it to broadcast. The only problem is that the stream is ridiculously choppy, regardless of resolution or what I am doing on the computer. I noticed that the bit rate fluctuates WILDLY from 1k+ down to like 4-16. And then the stream will just cut out. Speedtest shows 4mb up for me. My comp isn't an issue either:
I've just been trying to get it working at 480p, and it sometimes will work, for like a minute, then the bit rate just plummets, then shoots back up, then back down until the stream finally dies, but Xsplit still says I am broadcasting. Any clues?
edit: CPU usage never reaches 100% unless I'm trying to stream Crysis 2. Like I mentioned, it's super choppy even just on the desktop or playing a video off the HD. Audio will play fine but video is like .05 fps.
Hi, apologies if this has been asked, but can xsplit record videos without me streaming them? I want to get into the business of making sc2 tutorial videos, and don't know what the best software is for that. Thanks
I wanted to post my current Justin.tv/xSplit settings so that people can get an idea of what an SC2 stream looks like with certain settings and certain hardware... My hardware is probably the poorest in this thread.
xSplit settings: I have a common internet package subscription, no crazy upload its like the basic stuff you get when you sign up Widescreen monitor: 640*360, 20fps, actual view, fade transition (last 2 don't really matter) Checked boxes on general tab: Disable layered windows, optimize for motion picture, show mouse, show mouse clicks Channel settings: Quality 3 Max bitrate 500, buffer size 1000, 22.050 khz audio, mp3 codec @ 32000 and automatically record broadcast
hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
There is another update out for xsplit Says in the fixes: fixed issue with choppy and laggy stream, so you guys who had a problem, see if its fixed now for you. Xsplit is still in beta, and is already awesome :D
I still have crazy low fps even after the update and resetting all the settings. Audio plays fine but video is fucked, seriously like 1-2fps. Even on the lowest resolution and quality setting regardless of bit rate set, 400-4k, video is unwatchable. CPU usage is ~30% streaming an HD video, gpu usage at ~10%. Checked Speedtest.net and got a 4.5 Mb upload. Pretty frustrating.
For some reason I found out that my stream lags and its' choppy becasue the screen region being captured is laggy, why is that? I tried deleteing screen region adn doing everything from scratch, and it worked once, i can see my previewed screen region and it's smooth, so when i ran the game it was smooth. but when i tried to fix my sound and i closed the broadcast and started it back up, it didn't work again =[ why is that?! It was not like this before.
Fixed my problem by unchecking the box for "optimize for motion capture". When that box is checked for me the preview screen in xplit is pure choppiness, but when it is unchecked it is a normal frame rate. Tested with a stream and was able to do 720p smooth at 30fps. Fuck yeah.
On April 16 2011 19:00 Moonwrath wrote: Fixed my problem by unchecking the box for "optimize for motion capture". When that box is checked for me the preview screen in xplit is pure choppiness, but when it is unchecked it is a normal frame rate. Tested with a stream and was able to do 720p smooth at 30fps. Fuck yeah.
interesting ill try that tomorrow, because most people recommend that box be checked O.O but i guess now it being unchecked is better. lame, how come everyone else does not have this problem when they stream, like the real good streamers, seems like they can just turn on the stream everytime and have it work.
I have problems where sometiems it disables my mic, my sound is very choppy on stream, or my ventrilo cannot be heard. and also after opening xsplit whenever i do right click options on windows, some tabs stay shown and displayed on the screen until i flash the resolution. it bugs me.
On April 16 2011 19:00 Moonwrath wrote: Fixed my problem by unchecking the box for "optimize for motion capture". When that box is checked for me the preview screen in xplit is pure choppiness, but when it is unchecked it is a normal frame rate. Tested with a stream and was able to do 720p smooth at 30fps. Fuck yeah.
This has fixed it for me!
Back to 720p streaming! Thanks for finding this :D
On March 26 2011 03:28 Serejai wrote: I'm looking for help streaming 1080p. My specs are as follows:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.5GHz Radeon 5970 SC2 @ 1080p Extreme graphics 30/6 internet connection
I'm currently streaming in 720p, which is fine as far as quality goes. However, when playing Diablo II it will crash my internet connection. Seems to work fine with SC2 so far.
That being said, I'd like to run 1080p because I know my setup can handle it, but no matter what settings I try I get pretty massive stutter on justin.tv when streaming. My in-game FPS stays 80+, and according to my bandwidth monitor I'm only ever using about 2000 upload tops.
The settings I tried 1080p on were 2000-5000 bitrate, 25-35 fps, and quality 6-10. Nothing seems to fix the stutter issues.
Just an update on my efforts here to get a 1080p stream working. I've narrowed down the issue to frame rate in XSplit. If I try to stream 1080p over 15 FPS, the stream will stutter every 2-3 seconds. Note that my CPU usage is under 40%, GPU usage is under 70%, and RAM usage is under 60% so I'm not bottlenecked by anything on my end.
I'm starting to think the issue is XSplit itself, as starting it up instantly cuts my FPS in half locally (even when not streaming) but it's not actually adding any extra strain to my computer. It just seems to kill local performance for no reason.
This happens to me too. I can't see where's the bottleneck.
I figured out what the issue is, if you're still having trouble.
So basically, the problem is that XSplit absolutely sucks with streaming 720p/1080p. It's amazing for lower qualities, but I switched over to FMLE and I can stream dual 1080p streams now with no trouble at all and also much better quality than XSplit.
Basically, you still use XSplit as the capture device and for resolution/framerate, but all of the encoding is handled by FMLE. I didn't think XSplit was the problem since everyone keeps saying how much better it is than FMLE, but apparently that's only for non-HQ streams. A few hours browsing around google turned up quite a bit of information on how XSplit can't handle HD streaming yet.
So, if you need any help with setup just toss me a PM. XSplit will probably work better once it's out of beta, but for now it looks like the only way to stream decent HD is with FMLE as the encoder.
Even after the recent update it is still pretty awful at any resolutions that have a dimension above 1024. I can stream anything under that perfectly fine but if I increase it at all it becomes choppy as hell. I want to stream at 720 but Xsplit just can't seem to handle it. I tried FME in combination with Xsplit and I can run a 30 fps 720 stream perfectly smooth without even getting close to maxing out the CPU. Dunno what is causing that problem. I would prefer to just run the single program.
where you set your max kbps, to the left of that is Quality, try turning that up or see if you can bump your resolution 1 size up Also you should try and use the same streaming ration as your desktop Resolution 960x600 ratio 8:5 /my desktop 1680x1050 also 8:5 if the resolution you want isnt in the list "Tool - Settings - put a check on the one you want" and it will show up on the list out infront under "View - Resolutions"
ever since update i cant do anything without it being choppy. changed the settings in here, new region, new account, unchecked optimzed for motion capture. still laggy.
On April 18 2011 05:08 Alaz wrote: why does xsplit suck now?
ever since update i cant do anything without it being choppy. changed the settings in here, new region, new account, unchecked optimzed for motion capture. still laggy.
Exact same thing happened to me. A few things changed in it, but search around in the settings, I just got mine back to the smoothness that was there before the update. I even upgraded the quality of the stream.
What I did was go to the settings on the screen region, they changed some things there, so I checked optimize for motion picture, for text resize, and the other one there don't remember what it was. I also upped my resolution but put my "quality" to 1, and changed the video encoder from xsplit default to fast I think, and made my max kbp upload 500 with a buffer of 500. I have a really shitty system so if yours is better, start from there. Audio is either 32k or 16k, not very high. I will stream soon if you wanna check it out.
Could anyone tell me a good Resolution & bitrate for my internet connection?!
I did set it to max 450 bitrate but xsplit is somehow going beyond that ,up to 650 ! Wich lags me ingame Iam playing listening to radio and skype or ts at the same time ...any suggestions?!
On April 16 2011 11:19 Zes wrote: hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
any1 knows a solution to that problem? got it aswell :x
On April 14 2011 09:02 blade55555 wrote: Anyone know how to fix the issue when you click broadcast and xsplit just stops responding?
I have not had this problem personally, but my buddy tells me you should do this. 1) Ctrl Alt Delete and close this process on Xsplit 2) Close any browser or media 3) Start up xsplit and broardcast, start browser / media
For me personally, if i try and start xsplit i have to have my browser closed, other then that no problems.
try this above. My bug and solution: Cant start up xsplit while my chrome is open on something, i have to close, open xsplit open browser
On April 16 2011 11:19 Zes wrote: hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
any1 knows a solution to that problem? got it aswell :x
Same problem for me. But is one of the many problems... But I guss it is better to start with the first problem you encounter..
I was trying to figure out the best streaming resolution/quality/fps combo for my machine, and so I had several screen regions selected, though only 1 was checked. It looks like those screen regions are still being considered for capture, however, so at one point I had 5 screen regions total with 1 checked and my computer was outputting like 5 fps. If you have multiple screen regions saved, delete them, because although they aren't checked they still contribute to slowdown and I'm not sure anybody really knew this. Try to only have 1 saved screen region when streaming, and delete the ones your aren't using.
Sorry if I'M a little offtopic but here is and headsup for you guys that thinks you have to low uploadspeed to stream.
That is my results, not that good.
But I am able to stream in 720p with decent quality. When the game is set on low it looks totally fine. But when I set the game to medium you will see that there is a bit lack of bandwidth. But overall it is all watchable.
Settings in xsplit: Format: 1280 x 720 Quality: 7 VBV max Bitrate: 349 VBV Buffer: 698
I'm trying to get xsplit working but I'm having problems with sound when I have SC2 running. If I'm only running iTunes (for example), everything works great, but if I start up SC2, the sound suddenly starts to stutter, like someone talking through a fan.
Any thoughts? Much obliged!
Settings:
Video: Format: 1280x720 Quality: 10 VBV max Bitrate: 400
Still having trouble really optimizing for choppiness and best quality possible (though more for emulated psx/ps2 games than SC2) If anyone whos pro would like to hang out on Skype/TS for a bit and help me out
Settings:
Video: Format: 1280x720 Quality: 10 VBV max Bitrate: 7000 (No idea what to use for this among most things)
On April 16 2011 11:19 Zes wrote: hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
I'm having a similar issue using windows XP 64 bit. Any tips?
On April 16 2011 11:19 Zes wrote: hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
Same problem for me. I've done a lot of searching and this is only place I've seen someone with same error. Windows XP pro, 32bit
On April 26 2011 02:13 Evire wrote: Sorry if I'M a little offtopic but here is and headsup for you guys that thinks you have to low uploadspeed to stream.
That is my results, not that good.
But I am able to stream in 720p with decent quality. When the game is set on low it looks totally fine. But when I set the game to medium you will see that there is a bit lack of bandwidth. But overall it is all watchable.
Settings in xsplit: Format: 1280 x 720 Quality: 7 VBV max Bitrate: 349 VBV Buffer: 698
I am also having major issues with the most recent Beta 2 update, with Windows XP 32-bit. The program can't initialize folders, going into tools > settings crashes the program. And going to Broadcasting > Edit Channels crashes the program.
What ever changes they made have essentially made the program un-usable for me.
i've been trying to get rid of choppiness i heard if you don't use the 1280x720 res then it works a lot better.. more testing tho to get a good stream, also there is a new update just came out, i recommend getting it too
Hello guys I was wondering I usually play sc2 on 200 over FPS.. the problem is when i stream with xsplit they dramatically reduce my fps to 30++ which is sync along with xsplit what are the options which i can change so that they wont sync together? Thanks guys!
Heres my speedtest results
I was wondering what are the best options for the quality of video?
On April 27 2011 03:53 kawaiiryuko wrote: Hi guys.
I'm trying to get xsplit working but I'm having problems with sound when I have SC2 running. If I'm only running iTunes (for example), everything works great, but if I start up SC2, the sound suddenly starts to stutter, like someone talking through a fan.
Any thoughts? Much obliged!
Settings:
Video: Format: 1280x720 Quality: 10 VBV max Bitrate: 400
Here's a sample of the problem. Go to about 0:35 and you can hear the sound issue. Odd thing is that if I use xSplit as input to FMLE, FMLE can stream to jtv just fine!
Any thoughts on this? It seems so odd that if I layer xsplit through FMLE, it works fine but by itself, it fails? It doesn't seem like it is a computer resource issue so I'm hoping it is just a setting somewhere that I don't know about. Any help would be appreciated!
hey thanks for the guide.. i however have a problem in that whatever i say gets repeated like infinitely on the stream via mic.. i dont know how to fix this
On April 30 2011 05:30 dTox wrote: Does anyone know why Justin.tv keeps telling me to enable 'output video capture' when i've already done that?
In FMLE, I changed the Device to ManyCam and clicked on the wrench by that drop down menu, canceled out of whatever window popped up, went back to XSplit (With Xsplit off this entire time), then turned XSplit on and it works now.
IE: Change it to something else then change it back.
Edit: Although now my stream is upside down, What in the name of Blizzard...
On February 24 2011 12:42 SpaceFighting wrote: hmm wtf. mine keeps saying "please enable Xsplit broadcaster and enable output to virtual camera." which i have alrdy enabled...it keeps on saying this w/e i do when i play around with the settings, im certain i have ticked the box were it says "enable virtual camera output" and yet it still shows this... help? X_X
On February 24 2011 12:42 SpaceFighting wrote: hmm wtf. mine keeps saying "please enable Xsplit broadcaster and enable output to virtual camera." which i have alrdy enabled...it keeps on saying this w/e i do when i play around with the settings, im certain i have ticked the box were it says "enable virtual camera output" and yet it still shows this... help? X_X
I got the same problem, anybody got suggestions?
same problem here, some assistants plz EDIT i just tested it out with my friend and we found out even tho thats what it says as long as it says your broadcasting on the xsplit then thats what they are seeing
Thanks for the guide! I got an excellent stream going, but there is a problem with my audio where the audio slowly gets messed up. As well, it can't seem to detect my Realtek analog, only microphone and the Realtek digital output. Here's two videos which I guess, describe my problem.
i tried 960x600, 25 fps, 700kbit bitrate, quality 10. the game runs very smooth for me, the stream however, doenst look good. for example it would be impossible to read the text im currently writing.
im aware that my upload isnt very good, but i have seen streams with lower bitrate/resolution, which dont look worse, making me think that there is room for improvement.
I've a question. When I watch NASL without any of those preminum pass, the highest quality you can watch is 480p and it looks amazing but when I try to stream on 480p, it is way too blurry and you can't even recognize anything. NASL stream on 480p even loooks better than my 720p.
I've had problems with getting the stream to work without being very choppy/laggy. I've tried all settings from lowest to highest without any success, stream is choppy both in WoW and SC2 (a bit better in SC2).
Spec: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Intel i5 760 @ 2,8 GHz 4 GB RAM ZOTAC GeForce GTX 460 1GB (drivers 270.61) @ 1920x1200 59 or 60 Hz
Internet 100mbit broadband in Sweden (Bredbandsbolaget):
Seeing as the watcher PC I tested with was in the same house and the closest servers in Europe, I shouldn't have a problem with internet.
Latest Xsplit Tier 3 (think it's May 25th version).
Running SC2 on Low Settings at 1920x1200 Fullscreen (Windowed), I tried normal windowed but there was no difference.
In Xsplit I used both Own 3dtv and Justintv. Settings: 1920x1200 Screen region. Tried different viewing resolutions from 320x200 to 1280x720, trying to maintain an aspect ratio of either 16 or 16:10. Also varied FPS from 20 to 25 to 29, 30 and 60 with no success. Quality has ranged from 1 to 10, audio from lowest to max aswell, bitrate from 300 to 15000. I followed the sticky guides and tried to think up of something I might have missed in the options, but I can think of nothing. My PC should at worst be able to handle streaming at very low resolutions, however it still laggs.
If anyone can think of something I might have missed or just something that might help I would greatly appreciate it.
Edit: Even clocked the CPU to 3660 GHz without any improvements to the stream.
Hey guys! First post here. I'm relatively new to SC2, and brand new to streaming. I can't seem to get XSplit to broadcast at as high of a bitrate as i want. My specs are not the issue; I have 45up/35down, an i5 2500k at 4.6 GHZ, 4gb ram, and a radeon 6970.
I'm trying to stream SC2 ladders at all ultra settings except for the shaders at low (helps me see those pesky observers), but XSplit is refusing to broadcast at a decent resolution and is capping my upload at around 200kb/s. With that internet speed, i should be able to stream in HD. I just don't understand what's going on. I would really appreciate it if you help me out.
Hey guys I have a question. My audio seems very soft and quiet on my stream. Anyone know why this might be going on? As far as I know all my settings are set up correctly.....
On June 09 2011 17:08 hanjustin wrote: Just turning on XSplit reduces sc2 fps to around 50 from 60... Does anyone have similar problem like me? Does XSplit eat up lot of CPU or GPU?
I have i-5 2.8GHz 4gb ram GeForce 9800 GTX+
The preview-window of XSplit is a big CPU/GPU drain as it has to capture every frame even when you are not streaming, minimizing the xsplit window should reduce the load.
On June 09 2011 17:08 hanjustin wrote: Just turning on XSplit reduces sc2 fps to around 50 from 60... Does anyone have similar problem like me? Does XSplit eat up lot of CPU or GPU?
I have i-5 2.8GHz 4gb ram GeForce 9800 GTX+
The preview-window of XSplit is a big CPU/GPU drain as it has to capture every frame even when you are not streaming, minimizing the xsplit window should reduce the load.
I tried minimizing, changed scale viewport to 10%, changed options, but whatever I get 10 fps drop
I play sc2 on Mid/High settings but even with banneling bust all over place I have constant 60 fps but when I just turn on XSplit my fps drops to 50 fps I'm at the verge of quitting cause I've been messing with XSplit for 4 hours and it's not helping me at all qq
60 - 10 to have XSplit on - 10 to broadcast = 40 and I cant play on 40 fps qq
Hey guys my streaming was working fine, until today I get the following error in Justin.tv: "Camera Not found, we couldn't find a known-good video source for your computer" when I Go Live
Hey guys I just started streaming with Xsplit and everything is working very well. BUT
When I am streaming my stream is set up on a 10-15 second delay, is this caused by the FPS? I am currently using 30, I have looked around and haven't been able to find anything that has helped. So anyway to get rid of that delay? I find it a little hard to interact with my viewers when they see what I did 15 seconds ago.
So I'll borrow this thread for my problem as it's related to x-split. I just started streaming, but unfortunately I'm using a 16:10 monitor(1680x1050) and I can't figure out what the best option for me is when it comes to what resolution to stream, wether to keep aspect ratio, what way to downscale etc.
I know the majority are using 16 monitors, so I guess it would make sense to set my stream up in order to give the best possible quality for people with this resolution. I can't find any good information about this and it's really hard to try myself.
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67Pro CPU: Intel i5 2500k RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws x 8gb 1600Mhz GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 570 DCII ~5Mbit up
I have been trying to start a stream as well. I could use some help in finding the best settings for my setup. Here is a copy of my speedtest.
can anybody help me find the optimum settings that i would be able to stream with on using Xsplit. I haven't tried to play a game yet as i am trying to be sure that just doing normal things has a good framerate. Any help would be much appreciated.
Edit: Something that may be needed for sure is that i use dual monitors. Both are 1920x1080 monitors. I don't know what setting would be optimal with this size of screen and my upload speed. I only play Starcraft on one of the screens
Thanks a lot! This helped when I was getting extremely confused by the xsplit website itself XD I was going to wait until I broke into diamond to start streaming, but I don't think I can wait any longer :D
I seem to be having a problem that when i try to add or edit a channel under the properties screen (first picture) it will not let me choose which channel, for example, I will go add channel put in my account and password but it wont let me choose which channel to use (after specifying JTV) it says i need to configure my channel on website or my pw and stuff is wrong but i already had the stream going it just wont let me change the settings now the login info is correct and iv verified everything on the site so i dont know whats going on its just a blank spot
I been broadcasting but somehow my steam is lagging but my computer isnt lagging... Im using xsplit and when I turn on the program still no lagging but soon as when I pess to broadcast to justin.tv I see lagging every 5 or 7 sec
here is my computer spec
i7 2600k 16GB RAM 240 SSD NVIDIA GTX 580 x2 SLI (current using 3 monitors no studio set up while play sc2 with xsplit)
I been broadcasting but somehow my steam is lagging but my computer isnt lagging... Im using xsplit and when I turn on the program still no lagging but soon as when I pess to broadcast to justin.tv I see lagging every 5 or 7 sec
here is my computer spec
i7 2600k 16GB RAM 240 SSD NVIDIA GTX 580 x2 SLI (current using 3 monitors no studio set up while play sc2 with xsplit)
Using Comcast internet speed is 25/5
what do you guys suggest for xsplit set up?
thank you ^^
Post your current XSplit settings please (res+fps+stream settings)
I'm trying to stream League of Legends with Xsplit. I've been playing with my setting a lot and have finally got the stream to be cooperative with my low upload and quality isn't too miserable. The Problem im running into though, is that i cant get the screen to fill up the stream. I get a black boarder around the stream. I switched the resolution to be at 1280x720 but still no luck. I have a monitor that wants to be 1280x1024 to look right. I even tried getting that to look right with 1280x720 but still no luck. Any suggestions?
Specs: CPU: i7 2.66GHz RAM: 8GB DDR3 2000 Video card: ASUS EAH5770/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Windows 7
On July 23 2011 07:46 Electroshok wrote: [...]I get a black boarder around the stream. I switched the resolution to be at 1280x720 but still no luck. I have a monitor that wants to be 1280x1024[...]
Your source (monitor) is 4:3 format. Your chosen output is 16 : 9 - this is the reason for the bars. You have two options: Set output to same format as your source (ie. 900x720) or stretch the output (by disabling "keep aspect ratio" on the scene). Personally I do not like stretched images, but the choice is yours. Oh, technically you could force your monitor into a 16 : 9 mode too (which would give you a larger PoV ingame - see this).
I tried streaming last night and it lagged pretty hard in 720p and then lagged during big 200/200 battles in 480p. I'm just curious to know whether this is because my computer can't handle it or because of my xsplit settings. Here are my pc specs:
CPU: Intel i5 750 GPU: ATI Radeon 5850 RAM: 4GB DDR3 Windows 7
I'm guessing I just can't handle 720p. Just wanted to make sure.
Just curious. is it possible to stream on a wide screen monitor. since windowed (fullscreen) doesnt support wide screen resolution and xsplit cant stream in full screen mode. Does anyone have any idea as to which is the best way to go about this. im sure many streamers out there are using wide screen monitors.
On July 29 2011 02:35 SC2Joker wrote: [...]is it possible to stream on a wide screen monitor. since windowed (fullscreen) doesnt support wide screen resolution
This doesn't make sense/isn't true. SC2 supports both 16 : 9 and 16:10 and when in "windowed fullscreen" your ingame resolution and aspect will be whatever your desktop resolution is set to.
On August 03 2011 02:45 HellGreen wrote: @h4rvey No. And after setup, you will have more options to utilize the region capture - ie. capture part of a windows and show that on stream.
for some reason when i seleted the screen region there is a black bar at the top and bottom of what shows up in the xsplit window.
Are the black bars showing on the XSplit preview window or the stream? If the first, don't worry, it doesn't matter and also depends on your view scale factor. If the latter, adjust your aspect ratio (use same on source and destination) or stretch the image (right-click region, un-check "keep aspect" box).
On August 03 2011 07:36 HellGreen wrote: Are the black bars showing on the XSplit preview window or the stream? If the first, don't worry, it doesn't matter and also depends on your view scale factor. If the latter, adjust your aspect ratio (use same on source and destination) or stretch the image (right-click region, un-check "keep aspect" box).
They do show on stream. If i uncheck the aspect ratio box they do go away but the screen looks a bit stretched, not sure how it will look on stream yet. ill check that tonight.
Well, yes, the "keep aspect" does exactly that, and if unchecked it will look stretched. If you don't like this quick and dirty fix, as I said, choose proper (aka same) aspect ratio's on input and output. Example: If your input resolution is 1920x1200 (16 : 10 ratio) and want a perfect aspect ratio for 720p, your output must be set to 720*1,6=1152.
I cant figure out what is wrong with either my internet, xsplit, or what. I used to stream fine with FMLE, but because that had occasional crashing problems I decided to try xsplit. The result is that my internet seems to disconnect me no matter how low of a setting I go to.
It broadcasts fine for a couple minutes, then the internet completely drops out on me. Once I stop the stream, the internet comes back and I can continue to play (which means it is in fact the broadcasting causing it)... this makes no sense to me... I have 3.7Mb/s upload and it cant handle broadcasting at a mere 800Kb/s?
EDIT: Resolution is 1280x720 @ 30fps
Computer runs fine throughout the whole process, but specs: i5 2500k @ 4Ghz 8GB DDR3 1600 EVGA GTX 460 1GB Win7
@TheRabidDeer Not that it matters to your problem, but I would raise the VBV Max Bitrate to 1200 Kbit/s for better overall quality (and let the buffer have what it wants, I can see you've edited the amount). You have the upload for it.
I'm not entirely convinced your problem is related to XSplit based on your post. The thing that sticks out here is your router or NIC. Either can theoretically choke during mass traffic. It's not very common but I would start diagnosing the two. First test is this: When your internet breaks down, can you still access it from another device/computer?
Edit: Also, if you go back to FME does the crashes stop?
Well since this is the most recently posted in thread on Xsplit I suppose I should ask here. Whenever I stream SC2 or LoL I get an awful frame rate, or at least it looks laggy to me. I have SC2 on medium and LoL at max. Ny specs are:
i7 920 @ 3.8GHz 6GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz GTX 275 Win 7
My resolution is at 1680x1050max and I output at 960x600 or 1280x800. My upload is 25Mb.
On August 05 2011 09:12 HellGreen wrote: @TheRabidDeer Not that it matters to your problem, but I would raise the VBV Max Bitrate to 1200 Kbit/s for better overall quality (and let the buffer have what it wants, I can see you've edited the amount). You have the upload for it.
I'm not entirely convinced your problem is related to XSplit based on your post. The thing that sticks out here is your router or NIC. Either can theoretically choke during mass traffic. It's not very common but I would start diagnosing the two. First test is this: When your internet breaks down, can you still access it from another device/computer?
Edit: Also, if you go back to FME does the crashes stop?
Yea, I tried reducing everything just to see if it would work at all, and it just wont. The odd thing is, this only really becomes an issue in games against other players. If it is just myself vs a computer, I get brief periods of lag (like 2-3 seconds of the waiting for server window). This only happens on my computer, the internet remains fine for the rest of the house.
I am using a USB wireless network adapter, that is getting to be "old" in terms of technology (its like 2 years old now)... are you thinking that this could be the problem?
On August 05 2011 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: I cant figure out what is wrong with either my internet, xsplit, or what. I used to stream fine with FMLE, but because that had occasional crashing problems I decided to try xsplit. The result is that my internet seems to disconnect me no matter how low of a setting I go to.
It broadcasts fine for a couple minutes, then the internet completely drops out on me. Once I stop the stream, the internet comes back and I can continue to play (which means it is in fact the broadcasting causing it)... this makes no sense to me... I have 3.7Mb/s upload and it cant handle broadcasting at a mere 800Kb/s?
EDIT: Resolution is 1280x720 @ 30fps
Computer runs fine throughout the whole process, but specs: i5 2500k @ 4Ghz 8GB DDR3 1600 EVGA GTX 460 1GB Win7
My router shits on me when i try to go past 1.2mb/s, So either your router cannot handle it and its old like mine or your isp is shitting on your not allowing you to get past 800kb/s upload.
On August 05 2011 09:43 TheRabidDeer wrote: I am using a USB wireless network adapter, that is getting to be "old" in terms of technology (its like 2 years old now)... are you thinking that this could be the problem?
It's a bit weird, I'll give you that. I'm leaning towards your USB/Wifi NIC though. Are you able to test the setup with a wired connection? Also, does the problem go away if you switch back to FME?
On August 05 2011 09:32 Lafali wrote: Well since this is the most recently posted in thread on Xsplit I suppose I should ask here. Whenever I stream SC2 or LoL I get an awful frame rate, or at least it looks laggy to me. I have SC2 on medium and LoL at max. Ny specs are:
i7 920 @ 3.8GHz 6GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz GTX 275 Win 7
My resolution is at 1680x1050max and I output at 960x600 or 1280x800. My upload is 25Mb.
a) Please use search function and you'll find threads like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246791 b) Please be more specific. Allright you've given some details, but the most important "Awful frame rate" isn't very helpful nor can we give much insight without going into assumptions. Feel free to come back or jump into the before mentioned thread if you got more questions.
My router shits on me when i try to go past 1.2mb/s, So either your router cannot handle it and its old like mine or your isp is shitting on your not allowing you to get past 800kb/s upload.
Its a pretty new router (about 4 months old now), a motorola surfboard xtreme I think it is... and it should be able to handle it fine as I have done FTP uploads at the full speed.
On August 05 2011 09:43 TheRabidDeer wrote: I am using a USB wireless network adapter, that is getting to be "old" in terms of technology (its like 2 years old now)... are you thinking that this could be the problem?
It's a bit weird, I'll give you that. I'm leaning towards your USB/Wifi NIC though. Are you able to test the setup with a wired connection? Also, does the problem go away if you switch back to FME?
I can not test with a wired connection, and I havent used FME for a long while (will have to redownload and configure, never tried configuring for JTV). Maybe I should invest in a new PCI wireless NIC... though it is strange.
I can download, I can upload, I can torrent (though I severely limit torrent upload rates), but for some reason I cant stream ><
On August 05 2011 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: I cant figure out what is wrong with either my internet, xsplit, or what. I used to stream fine with FMLE, but because that had occasional crashing problems I decided to try xsplit. The result is that my internet seems to disconnect me no matter how low of a setting I go to.
It broadcasts fine for a couple minutes, then the internet completely drops out on me. Once I stop the stream, the internet comes back and I can continue to play (which means it is in fact the broadcasting causing it)... this makes no sense to me... I have 3.7Mb/s upload and it cant handle broadcasting at a mere 800Kb/s?
EDIT: Resolution is 1280x720 @ 30fps
Computer runs fine throughout the whole process, but specs: i5 2500k @ 4Ghz 8GB DDR3 1600 EVGA GTX 460 1GB Win7
My router shits on me when i try to go past 1.2mb/s, So either your router cannot handle it and its old like mine or your isp is shitting on your not allowing you to get past 800kb/s upload.
Reasonable assumptions, but he posted network speed test results plus he was able to play fine while using FME. Therefore I cannot second this idea. The router also works fine during the problems (tried+tested above), therefore it almost must be local to the computer.
On August 05 2011 10:13 TheRabidDeer wrote: Its a pretty new router (about 4 months old now) [...] I can not test with a wired connection, and I havent used FME for a long while. Maybe I should invest in a new PCI wireless NIC... though it is strange.
I'm assuming you ran FME with the same router hardware back then? Otherwise we need to test FME (and it's free, except from your time). Else, if the NIC works with everything but XSplit+games it must be related to either one. Maybe you updated a driver for the NIC (try rollback and/or check for even newer update). If XSplit is at fault I'm quite baffled, but let's not forget this is still beta software. No harm in writing a post on their website asking if anyone else has seen this. Not sure I can provide much more help, before further testing and results are posted .
On August 05 2011 10:13 TheRabidDeer wrote: Its a pretty new router (about 4 months old now) [...] I can not test with a wired connection, and I havent used FME for a long while. Maybe I should invest in a new PCI wireless NIC... though it is strange.
I'm assuming you ran FME with the same router hardware back then? Otherwise we need to test FME (and it's free, except from your time). Else, if the NIC works with everything but XSplit+games it must be related to either one. Maybe you updated a driver for the NIC (try rollback and/or check for even newer update). If XSplit is at fault I'm quite baffled, but let's not forget this is still beta software. No harm in writing a post on their website asking if anyone else has seen this. Not sure I can provide much more help, before further testing and results are posted .
Ill see if I can find the links and guides to setting up on JTV and test it out.
It's a really peculiar thing that XSplit messes up your network connection, but that is what everything points at. From here on out, you could try a different NIC and/or ask XSplit for advice. I'm sorry I couldn''t solve this with you
On April 16 2011 11:19 Zes wrote: hello! I'm having a problem with Xsplit which is whenever i log into the application it tells me An error was encountered while trying to initialize you folders. The app quits on me and I can't do anything at all with it. could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this?
Sorry for bumping this with an old problem but it's still in xsplit and I've been having this problem up until just a few minutes ago when I managed to figure out a solution for this.
See the thing is that when XSplit launches, it tries to create a folder named XSplit recordings in the following location: "C:\Users\yourusername\Videos\XSplit Recordings", if you accidentally delete the Videos folder, or for some reason it isn't created, XSplit will try to create a folder inside a folder which doesn't exists, and you will get this error.
So this is how to fix it:
Go into "C:\Users\yourusername\", and see if your "Videos" folder is missing, if so, remake the "Videos" and "XSplit recordings" folders with the exact same name and then start XSplit again, and it should work.
so for example:
I can navigate to C:\Users\myusername but I cant find any videos folder, so I create a folder named "Videos" in the \myusername folder, and then I go into the new "Videos" folder and create a folder named "XSplit Recordings", now I start XSplit and I can stream once again! Hope you guys understand and that this helped someone.
these are my current settings that work (framerate 30)
I mean its looking good, but its not like ingame with ultra graphics - I see streams that are looking like you would play yourself with ultra graphics - how do i achieve this ?
and second: is it somehow possible to stream also fullscreen ? even though i play sc2 in window mode, there are other games that do not support window mode.
On August 09 2011 02:32 danteafk wrote: Hi guys, i could need some advise. + Show Spoiler +
Rig: i7 920 at 4.2Ghz 6Gb DDR3 1600 2x GTX 580
100mbit download 10mbit upload
i would really like to run at HD HQ 1080p...
these are my current settings that work (framerate 30)
I mean its looking good, but its not like ingame with ultra graphics - I see streams that are looking like you would play yourself with ultra graphics - how do i achieve this ?
and second: is it somehow possible to stream also fullscreen ? even though i play sc2 in window mode, there are other games that do not support window mode.
Could you link us to an example? That way we could better evaluate it Edit: All settings look perfect, except try changing the "preset" to get better quality - note this will eat a lot of CPU . My understanding of the setting is that is controls how much time/effort XSplit will use on compressing each picture (slower means more thorough, more quality - faster means less time, less quality).
About streaming games that doesn't support windowed-fullscreen, I know that XSplit are working to implement this in their future builds. For now the GameSource feature is your best bet, but it only works with a select set of titles (which are unknown to me as I only stream SC2). But basically I think/hope that any DirectX game will be able to be streamed.
I've recieved complains all day that the stream appears to freeze every now and then, so I've tried different settings quality and bitrate settings, but regardless of settings, the stream continues to freeze. I'm having the stream open right now as I post this, and I can see how it just act bananas. Quality is superb, but the constant freezing make it unwatchable.
CPU load hoovers at ¨~30%, and XSplit is using uploading in ¨~ 1-2mb/s. No other background applications are running.
Any suggestions?
Let me know if this post doesn't belong here, and I'll be quick to remove it if that's the case.
On August 15 2011 03:13 Obbeskrutt wrote: I'll drop my issues in this thread as well. I've recieved complains all day that the stream appears to freeze every now and then, so I've tried different settings quality and bitrate settings, but regardless of settings, the stream continues to freeze. I'm having the stream open right now as I post this, and I can see how it just act bananas. Quality is superb, but the constant freezing make it unwatchable.
CPU load hoovers at ¨~30%, and XSplit is using uploading in ¨~ 1-2mb/s. No other background applications are running.
I'd suggest starting with lower settings, to find something that does stream well, and then slowly increase settings until you hit your problem. Try starting out with 720p, 1500 kbps, xsplit default encoding quality 6, medium in-game settings, and see if the lag fixes itself. Then change one thing at a time until you hit the problem.
Lots of folks are trying to stream 1080p, but honestly as a viewer there's very little difference between 720p and 1080p. A smooth 720p stream looks better than a jerky, blocky 1080p.
On August 15 2011 03:13 Obbeskrutt wrote: I'll drop my issues in this thread as well. I've recieved complains all day that the stream appears to freeze every now and then, so I've tried different settings quality and bitrate settings, but regardless of settings, the stream continues to freeze. I'm having the stream open right now as I post this, and I can see how it just act bananas. Quality is superb, but the constant freezing make it unwatchable.
CPU load hoovers at ¨~30%, and XSplit is using uploading in ¨~ 1-2mb/s. No other background applications are running.
I'd suggest starting with lower settings, to find something that does stream well, and then slowly increase settings until you hit your problem. Try starting out with 720p, 1500 kbps, xsplit default encoding quality 6, medium in-game settings, and see if the lag fixes itself. Then change one thing at a time until you hit the problem.
Lots of folks are trying to stream 1080p, but honestly as a viewer there's very little difference between 720p and 1080p. A smooth 720p stream looks better than a jerky, blocky 1080p.
I've decreased the settings to Quality: 4 Resolution 768x432 Framerate: 15 Bitrate 400 | Buffert 800
And I'm still encounters severe freezeframes. Audio is still playing though. I made a complete uninstall of of Xsplit (was running the dev build previously) and reverted back to an older version (RC 4), but I'm still having issues. I've also tried streaming though FMLE to both Justin and Ustream, but again, same problem. I'm lost
On August 15 2011 05:11 Obbeskrutt wrote: I've decreased the settings to Quality: 4 Resolution 768x432 Framerate: 15 Bitrate 400 | Buffert 800
And I'm still encounters severe freezeframes. Audio is still playing though. I made a complete uninstall of of Xsplit (was running the dev build previously) and reverted back to an older version (RC 4), but I'm still having issues. I've also tried streaming though FMLE to both Justin and Ustream, but again, same problem. I'm lost
Try local recording. That saves a video file on your hard drive, and we can rule out the network / Justin.tv. StarCraft only uses the hard drive when loading a map, so if you have a replay running it shouldn't affect XSplit recording to the hard drive.
Msqrd; I've made several tests with local recordings, but the results are ok when recording locally. I guess the culpit is my connection then, but I find it odd...
As you can see, my connection shouldn't act as a bottleneck. I've checked my router settings, firewalls and all that good jazz, but nothing. Even tried to bypass my router and plug myself directly into the backbone, and still justin.tv act all bananas on me. Same thing happens when I try other streamingsties, such as UStream and Own3d.
I watched about 5 minutes from 18 min and on in this VOD: http://en.twitch.tv/obbeskrutt/b/292482614 No lag whatsoever . Are you sure it wasn't a temporary problem with justin and/or the viewers that couldn't download your 1080 stream?
On August 15 2011 08:14 HellGreen wrote: I watched about 5 minutes from 18 min and on in this VOD: http://en.twitch.tv/obbeskrutt/b/292482614 No lag whatsoever . Are you sure it wasn't a temporary problem with justin and/or the viewers that couldn't download your 1080 stream?
I also noticed that the VOD's are fine. Thank you so much for testing it out. Think I've found a semi-good setting for live viewing now, though it's not about half as crisp as I would love it to be. Running at 30fps though. <3
Someone clear this up, should i be trying to stream at 2-3k since i have 5.02 mb/s UP speed, or do we have to divide this by 8 cause of the bit/byte difference and thus ending up with only 625 up speed to stream with?
Someone clear this up, should i be trying to stream at 2-3k since i have 5.02 mb/s UP speed, or do we have to divide this by 8 cause of the bit/byte difference and thus ending up with only 625 up speed to stream with?
Please show us *all* your xsplit settings, otherwise we can't help. Also link to an example of the lag spikes. Just like "Obbeskrutt" above^^.
You do not need to worry about the difference of bit vs. bytes. You have 5 megabit/s upload, so you should input about half that (=2500 kilobit/s) in the "VBV max bit rate" box.
to anyone having stream "crispness" issues set your video encoding to a slower setting, and not the xsplit default. The lower the setting the more crisp it becomes.
I have a feeling that the new version of xsplit is causing these problems. I was streaming perfectly fine 2 weeks ago, didn't change any of my settings, and all of the sudden after I update the program, every time I turn it on the thing looks like a slideshow no matter what settings I try. It seems to be the problem that every other poster has brought up over the last week.
On August 15 2011 03:13 Obbeskrutt wrote: I'll drop my issues in this thread as well. I've recieved complains all day that the stream appears to freeze every now and then, so I've tried different settings quality and bitrate settings, but regardless of settings, the stream continues to freeze. I'm having the stream open right now as I post this, and I can see how it just act bananas. Quality is superb, but the constant freezing make it unwatchable.
CPU load hoovers at ¨~30%, and XSplit is using uploading in ¨~ 1-2mb/s. No other background applications are running.
I'd suggest starting with lower settings, to find something that does stream well, and then slowly increase settings until you hit your problem. Try starting out with 720p, 1500 kbps, xsplit default encoding quality 6, medium in-game settings, and see if the lag fixes itself. Then change one thing at a time until you hit the problem.
Lots of folks are trying to stream 1080p, but honestly as a viewer there's very little difference between 720p and 1080p. A smooth 720p stream looks better than a jerky, blocky 1080p.
I've decreased the settings to Quality: 4 Resolution 768x432 Framerate: 15 Bitrate 400 | Buffert 800
And I'm still encounters severe freezeframes. Audio is still playing though. I made a complete uninstall of of Xsplit (was running the dev build previously) and reverted back to an older version (RC 4), but I'm still having issues. I've also tried streaming though FMLE to both Justin and Ustream, but again, same problem. I'm lost
try dropping your buffer to like 100 instead of 800. I had freezing issues and i fixed them by making my buffer about 1/4 of my bitrate
I've done pretty much everything this guide suggests, but then when I go to broadcast it just broadcasts nothing.. spent about an hour trying to figure out what it is :|
On February 23 2011 02:12 Slayth wrote: You gotta remember, its not just about the net for your stream, you also gotta have decent specs for encoding 720p+ while gaming on the PC and not using a capture card from a console.
A good general idea is that for some reason, JTV users would prefer to have higher quality than FPS. If you want to go with this cliche, then go ahead and deal with the lower FPS and higher standings.
If you don't have lets say an i-7, high end graphics card, and atleast 4 gigs of 1600 ddr3 ram, your very unlikely to get higher than 30 fps stream to your viewers. But as I said, this is the JTV community, who prefers quality over fps.
Actually i don't have an i7 i only have i5-2500k and i can stream EASILY with max settings/resolutions and 30+ fps
For any1 curious my specs are i5-2500k 8 GB DDR3-1600Mhz GTX 570
I just set up Xsplit following the guide here but when I hit broadcast I only got audio, no video. My Xsplit looks like the one in the OP with windows going into infinity in the middle but the stream gets nothing. Any advice? Could it be a connection issue? My upload isn't really fast enough to stream, I'm just setting it up for when I go back to uni right now.
On September 08 2011 00:18 KwarK wrote: I just set up Xsplit following the guide here but when I hit broadcast I only got audio, no video. My Xsplit looks like the one in the OP with windows going into infinity in the middle but the stream gets nothing. Any advice? Could it be a connection issue? My upload isn't really fast enough to stream, I'm just setting it up for when I go back to uni right now.
Did you setup an video source? (Screen capture, video file, game source, etc...).
On February 23 2011 02:12 Slayth wrote: You gotta remember, its not just about the net for your stream, you also gotta have decent specs for encoding 720p+ while gaming on the PC and not using a capture card from a console.
A good general idea is that for some reason, JTV users would prefer to have higher quality than FPS. If you want to go with this cliche, then go ahead and deal with the lower FPS and higher standings.
If you don't have lets say an i-7, high end graphics card, and atleast 4 gigs of 1600 ddr3 ram, your very unlikely to get higher than 30 fps stream to your viewers. But as I said, this is the JTV community, who prefers quality over fps.
Actually i don't have an i7 i only have i5-2500k and i can stream EASILY with max settings/resolutions and 30+ fps
For any1 curious my specs are i5-2500k 8 GB DDR3-1600Mhz GTX 570
^With that setup, you're absolutely fine.
Btw, if anyone hasn't noticed or the OP should make a nope: your buffer size should be 1/4 of your max bitrate :p (0.25*max_bitrate=buffer_size)
The video source is the scene source bit in the bottom left of the main Xsplit window, right? I set that up, dragging to capture the full screen, as described.
I have an issue i hope someone can help me with. When i stream i want the best quality possible and the best resolution, but when i stream now it doesnt strech over the whole screen?
here is an example picture:
How do i get it in 1080p and over the whole screen?
On September 10 2011 02:49 skogsleffe wrote: I have an issue i hope someone can help me with. When i stream i want the best quality possible and the best resolution, but when i stream now it doesnt strech over the whole screen?
here is an example picture:
How do i get it in 1080p and over the whole screen?
Please help!
What resolution are you using in windows? My guess would be 1920x1200, right? If that's the case, change it to 1920x1080, so that the input resolution and the output is 1:1, then stretch it to full it in Xsplit.
On September 10 2011 02:49 skogsleffe wrote: I have an issue i hope someone can help me with. When i stream i want the best quality possible and the best resolution, but when i stream now it doesnt strech over the whole screen?
here is an example picture:
How do i get it in 1080p and over the whole screen?
Please help!
What resolution are you using in windows? My guess would be 1920x1200, right? If that's the case, change it to 1920x1080, so that the input resolution and the output is 1:1, then stretch it to full it in Xsplit.
I'm using 1680x1050 since it doesnt go higher. Is there some way to get 1920x1080?
On September 10 2011 02:49 skogsleffe wrote: I have an issue i hope someone can help me with. When i stream i want the best quality possible and the best resolution, but when i stream now it doesnt strech over the whole screen?
here is an example picture:
How do i get it in 1080p and over the whole screen?
Please help!
What resolution are you using in windows? My guess would be 1920x1200, right? If that's the case, change it to 1920x1080, so that the input resolution and the output is 1:1, then stretch it to full it in Xsplit.
I'm using 1680x1050 since it doesnt go higher. Is there some way to get 1920x1080?
1680x1050 has an aspectratio of 8:5. If you want the video to cover the whole streaming frame, select a 16;9 aspect resolution. Most streaming sites doesn't allow for other output aspects than 4:3 and 16;9. If you use any "non-standard" aspect ratios (such as 8:5, 16:10, 7:4), the screen will get borders.
On September 10 2011 05:09 Obbeskrutt wrote: 1680x1050 has an aspectratio of 8:5. If you want the video to cover the whole streaming frame, select a 16;9 aspect resolution. Most streaming sites doesn't allow for other output aspects than 4:3 and 16;9. If you use any "non-standard" aspect ratios (such as 8:5, 16:10, 7:4), the screen will get borders.
I'm sorry - but it is simply wrong what you're saying (except the first sentence). Not trying to point at you, just want to set something straight a) You should keep the same aspect for your source and the destination - doesn't matter what as long as they match. b) XSplit and Justin.tv/twitch.tv supports 16 : 10 just fine!
The reason the stream get borders is either: a) The source aspect is different than the stream aspect or b) if the stream is made in a different aspect ratio than the screen it is shown upon.
The guy can keep his 1680x1050 (16 : 10) and stream in 1280x800 or 1152x720 (also both 16 : 10). Both are available in XSplit under "Tools - Settings - Resolutions".
I play in 1440x900 (16 : 10) and stream in 1280x800 (16 : 10), If I put my stream in fullscreen on my 16 : 9 TV it has borders - if I put it on my seconday 16 : 10 monitor there are no borders. Basically if you stream a 16 : 10 picture, anyone with a 16 : 9 monitor will have borders a vice versa.
Edit: @skogsleffe I see borders around the entire screen? I don't think you have maximized your scene to 100%. Please post a screenshot of your XSplit window or select the region and press 1 (must not be numerical 1) which will set it to 100%. Also read what I said above and please please please post your settings when asking for help - Thank you!
I don't know what I'm doing wrong but everything above 2000kbps has extreme amounts of lag. I really don't think it's my computer or my internet since both are pretty good.
My stream is very laggy, the stream goes for 3-5 seconds then freezes for 3-5 seconds. I'm using XSplit. My resolution is 1920x1080 and I'm streaming at 1280x720 at 30 FPS. My settings are: quality 10, vbv max bitrate 2000, vbv buffer 2000. I know it's not my rig, since when I streaming, my CPU usage is only around 50%. I don't feel any lag at all.
On September 11 2011 12:04 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: + Show Spoiler +
My stream is very laggy, the stream goes for 3-5 seconds then freezes for 3-5 seconds. I'm using XSplit. My resolution is 1920x1080 and I'm streaming at 1280x720 at 30 FPS. My settings are: quality 10, vbv max bitrate 2000, vbv buffer 2000. I know it's not my rig, since when I streaming, my CPU usage is only around 50%. I don't feel any lag at all.
I'm confused as to the problem. What bitrates do you guys suggest I stream at?
Your settings look fine for a 720p stream (bitrate is in the upper threshold but should be fine). I assume you're using the 'default preset'?. There are a few posts lately that messing around with the buffer may help (some say use 1/4th of the bitrate, some say x4 the bitrate) - this is still very new to me, but I guess it can't hurt to try.
Your hardware looks fine too, but don't be fooled by the 50% CPU usage. I have found that it is quite tricky to measure real usage when it comes to XSplit+SC2.
I'd like you to try this: Record a local recording - is it lagging? What kind of FPS do you have ingame during streaming? Lower your desktop resolution to 1280x720 and try that out (while streaming)
If nothing proves to work out, you could try FME - there are examples on this forum of people having more luck with that (well, also vice versa).
On September 11 2011 10:45 Pisko. wrote: I don't know what I'm doing wrong but everything above 2000kbps has extreme amounts of lag. I really don't think it's my computer or my internet since both are pretty good.
Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler +
Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?)
CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz.
Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit)
Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless?
Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post).
Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options.
Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel.
Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc)
If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems.
On September 11 2011 10:45 Pisko. wrote: I don't know what I'm doing wrong but everything above 2000kbps has extreme amounts of lag. I really don't think it's my computer or my internet since both are pretty good.
Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler +
Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?)
CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz.
Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit)
Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless?
Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post).
Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options.
Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel.
Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc)
If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems.
Thanks for the reply. Had to spoiler my post because it's a lot.
http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294788250 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 2500 Buffer: 625 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000
Normally I'd be fine with it but I'm pretty sure my computer can do much better than that. Also I want to keep it at 60FPS or as close as possible because I mainly play games like CoD and MvC3 which need it IMO.
http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294788250 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 2500 Buffer: 625 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000
Normally I'd be fine with it but I'm pretty sure my computer can do much better than that. Also I want to keep it at 60FPS or as close as possible because I mainly play games like CoD and MvC3 which need it IMO.
It used to work, but suddenly it started to lag? Can you think of anything that have changed? Your ISP? Your computer (drivers/software)? Obviously XSplit is updated now and then
a) Your settings in the first two examples say 8000 kbit/s, but your internet is 4800 kbit/s. That doesn't compute at all. Also for the initial tests let the buffer be what the app suggests (usually x2 of the bitrate) b) The 60 FPS is for the stream, not your game. 30 FPS is more than enough for the viewers. This will mean a lot regarding lag, as only about half the amount of data needs to be transferred.
For a 720p set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 4000), 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. For a 480p set your bitrate to 750, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. Test those settings, and if you still lag, do a local recording.
What is your desktop resolution? Try setting it to 720p and repeat the above. What kind of FPS do you have ingame while streaming? Is your CPU load high? Are you running software like P2P (ie. Spotify) while streaming? Is anyone else using your internet while your'e streaming?
And I'd really suggest setting your audio bitrate to 128.000 (no reason not to)
On September 12 2011 02:04 MoSiE wrote: When I make a local recordning, everything is fine. But I have fps spikes when streaming live. What settings would adjust that? (I'm using xsplit)
Maybe your computer isn't fast enough.
Post more information - it's impossible to help when you don't share necessary information. + Show Spoiler +
Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?)
CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz.
Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit)
Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless?
Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post).
Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options.
Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel.
Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc)
If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems.
http://twitch.tv/piskoooooo/b/294788250 768x432 60 FPS Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max Bitrate: 2500 Buffer: 625 Audio Format: 44.100 KHz Stereo Bitrate: 64000
Normally I'd be fine with it but I'm pretty sure my computer can do much better than that. Also I want to keep it at 60FPS or as close as possible because I mainly play games like CoD and MvC3 which need it IMO.
It used to work, but suddenly it started to lag? Can you think of anything that have changed? Your ISP? Your computer (drivers/software)? Obviously XSplit is updated now and then
a) Your settings in the first two examples say 8000 kbit/s, but your internet is 4800 kbit/s. That doesn't compute at all. Also for the initial tests let the buffer be what the app suggests (usually x2 of the bitrate) b) The 60 FPS is for the stream, not your game. 30 FPS is more than enough for the viewers. This will mean a lot regarding lag, as only about half the amount of data needs to be transferred.
For a 720p set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 4000), 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. For a 480p set your bitrate to 750, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10. Test those settings, and if you still lag, do a local recording.
What is your desktop resolution? Try setting it to 720p and repeat the above. What kind of FPS do you have ingame while streaming? Is your CPU load high? Are you running software like P2P (ie. Spotify) while streaming? Is anyone else using your internet while your'e streaming?
And I'd really suggest setting your audio bitrate to 128.000 (no reason not to)
I may have fixed the problem. It got to the point where even really low quality streaming (like 1000 kbps) would lag, so I decided to restart my computer, restart my modem, run CCleaner, and now I can use my old settings. I think it might have been because my IP address changed and sometimes that can really mess up my connection. I'll go from having normal speeds to not even being able to load 30 second YouTube videos.
I've noticed when I (try to) stream 720p my in game fps drops and the game actually lags a little, also my CPU usage is always around 90-100%. When I stream 480p the game is always at 60fps like it's supposed to be and my CPU usage is around 40% max. Because of that I'm going to try to just work on getting the most out of 480p. It's not really that much worse, just a little fuzzy/blurry looking.
My desktop res is 1920x1200 and I usually play games at 1280x720 if I'm going to stream them. In Black Ops I get 60fps which is the max unless you use console commands I think. The only things I ever have running are MSE, AIM, Firefox, XSplit, Steam, and whatever game I'm streaming. My mom plays Farmville and browses Facebook, that's about it.
On September 12 2011 07:01 Pisko. wrote: I've noticed when I (try to) stream 720p my in game fps drops and the game actually lags a little, also my CPU usage is always around 90-100%. When I stream 480p the game is always at 60fps like it's supposed to be and my CPU usage is around 40% max.
Thanks for the update Always nice to know when and how a problem got solved.
The above quote is very accurately describing my experience with XSplit. I think a lot of people mistakenly thinks, that as long as the CPU isn't maxed, you can up the resolution/bitrate/framerate as you please. This is not always the case. You oftentimes will hit the limit way before 100%.
If your have low FPS because the CPU isn't the fastest/newest anymore, playing in the same resolution as you stream, is really smart. It eases quite a lot of the CPU stress, since it doesn't have to resize the frames, only compress them (that and the frames are physically smaller).
On September 11 2011 12:04 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: + Show Spoiler +
My stream is very laggy, the stream goes for 3-5 seconds then freezes for 3-5 seconds. I'm using XSplit. My resolution is 1920x1080 and I'm streaming at 1280x720 at 30 FPS. My settings are: quality 10, vbv max bitrate 2000, vbv buffer 2000. I know it's not my rig, since when I streaming, my CPU usage is only around 50%. I don't feel any lag at all.
I'm confused as to the problem. What bitrates do you guys suggest I stream at?
Your settings look fine for a 720p stream (bitrate is in the upper threshold but should be fine). I assume you're using the 'default preset'?. There are a few posts lately that messing around with the buffer may help (some say use 1/4th of the bitrate, some say x4 the bitrate) - this is still very new to me, but I guess it can't hurt to try.
Your hardware looks fine too, but don't be fooled by the 50% CPU usage. I have found that it is quite tricky to measure real usage when it comes to XSplit+SC2.
I'd like you to try this: Record a local recording - is it lagging? What kind of FPS do you have ingame during streaming? Lower your desktop resolution to 1280x720 and try that out (while streaming)
If nothing proves to work out, you could try FME - there are examples on this forum of people having more luck with that (well, also vice versa).
I tried what you said. When I record locally, I get 100-120 (I capped it at 120). When I'm streaming I get a solid 120. I set my bitrate to 2000 and buffer to 500 and this is what happened: http://www.twitch.tv/desirelive/b/294778206
On September 12 2011 10:12 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: I tried what you said. When I record locally, I get 100-120 (I capped it at 120). When I'm streaming I get a solid 120. I set my bitrate to 2000 and buffer to 500 and this is what happened: http://www.twitch.tv/desirelive/b/294778206
But is there lag (frame skipping) in the locally recorded VOD? Open it and play it. You didn't try changing the desktop resolution yet.
Also try to stream in 480p for reference.
Edit: Oh, do try a different streaming provider as well.
At the moment though, I suspect your internet connection more than your computer (which is quite beastly).
On September 12 2011 10:12 ElmoTheBigRedMonster wrote: I tried what you said. When I record locally, I get 100-120 (I capped it at 120). When I'm streaming I get a solid 120. I set my bitrate to 2000 and buffer to 500 and this is what happened: http://www.twitch.tv/desirelive/b/294778206
But is there lag (frame skipping) in the locally recorded VOD? Open it and play it. You didn't try changing the desktop resolution yet.
Also try to stream in 480p for reference.
Edit: Oh, do try a different streaming provider as well.
At the moment though, I suspect your internet connection more than your computer (which is quite beastly).
The recording is silky smooth, I've tried the resolution change before, but no luck. I'll try streaming on own3d and see what happens.
Should i invest in a new GFX and or new CPU or maybe a brand new rig for better quality and flawless streaming? I would like to stream in 720p so i think an upgrade is necessary.
On September 12 2011 17:33 poofie wrote: You guys seems to have good knowledge of streaming rigs so maybe you could give me some advice for upgrades for my rig since it´s a bit laggy.
Should i invest in a new GFX and or new CPU or maybe a brand new rig for better quality and flawless streaming? I would like to stream in 720p so i think an upgrade is necessary.
CPU is everything when it comes to streaming. But I'm quite sure you just need to adjust your stream settings.
Please post relevant information that is needed to give you advice.
Streaming software used (Xsplit? FMLE? VAC? SCFH? VhScrCap?)
CPU type/speed and amount of RAM (eg: Core i5 2500k 3.3 GHz, 4GB RAM). Not sure? Use CPUz.
Windows version (eg: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit)
Download / upload speed as measured by www.speedtest.net to California, USA (eg 15000 down / 5250 up kbps) and ping, packet loss and jitter as measured by www.pingtest.net to California, USA. Connection type - wired / wireless?
Settings used in all your streaming software (take a screenshot if you're lazy - you can upload screenshots directly to TL using the 'upload image' link when making a post).
Make sure at very minimum the following information is available / visible: Resolution, bitrate, frame rate (fps), quality options.
Make note NOT to show your stream ID / key, as this is private data that lets anyone stream to your channel.
Streaming service used (eg: Justin.TV, UStream, own3d, etc)
If posting about video issues or something visible, a link to a recording / VOD of the problem exhibiting itself. Almost all streaming services auto-record VODs, so link to the VOD where you had problems.
So I've been trying to set up an HD stream, but the stream video is spotty -- it skips occasionally, though audio is fine. This is only on the stream, all the on-computer action goes off without a hitch. This doesn't occur until I get in-game. I suspect this indicates a problem with my internet. However, speedtest seems to show that I ought to be okay, as according to it my upload is ~12Mb/s. When I bring the bitrate and buffer waaay down things run smoothly, but obviously this has a pretty negative effect on quality.
I've got an i5 2500k overclocked to 4.5GHz, 8GB of 1333MHz RAM, an NVidia GTX 560 Ti graphics card. My monitor's resolution is 1440x900, but I'm streaming in 1280x720. Processor load rarely rises above 30% when I'm in-game. Temperatures are fine. I'm wired right to the modem (or whatever the proper term is for Thing-That-Gives-Internet-That's-Not-The-Router). No firewalls.
I'm using the basic recommended setup for a 720p stream. (bitrate to 2000, buffer 4000, 30FPS, Preset=Default, Quality=10, audio bitrate at 128k)
Ok I just posted this in another thread (link below) and I suspect its also answer to the above problem
Try switching your Justin.tv location from "default" to "main origin cluster" I did the same and it fixed my problem, which is similar to what you are describing
It has to be something on Xsplit's end. In short, a lot of people recently with very good computers and internet connection have no in-game problems but the stream is lagging really bad. A current workaround may be what I posted above. I think HellGreen mentioned he had on what might be wrong in the thread I am referring too (link below)
On September 13 2011 13:26 K.Stoyles wrote: Ok I just posted this in another thread (link below) and I suspect its also answer to the above problem
Try switching your Justin.tv location from "default" to "main origin cluster" I did the same and it fixed my problem, which is similar to what you are describing
It has to be something on Xsplit's end. In short, a lot of people recently with very good computers and internet connection have no in-game problems but the stream is lagging really bad. A current workaround may be what I posted above. I think HellGreen mentioned he had on what might be wrong in the thread I am referring too (link below)
Does anyone have an issue where their recorded broadcast splits in many parts? It should split after like 2 hrs but my videos keep splitting at like early time ( 1-10 min)
On September 12 2011 07:01 Pisko. wrote: I've noticed when I (try to) stream 720p my in game fps drops and the game actually lags a little, also my CPU usage is always around 90-100%. When I stream 480p the game is always at 60fps like it's supposed to be and my CPU usage is around 40% max.
Thanks for the update Always nice to know when and how a problem got solved.
The above quote is very accurately describing my experience with XSplit. I think a lot of people mistakenly thinks, that as long as the CPU isn't maxed, you can up the resolution/bitrate/framerate as you please. This is not always the case. You oftentimes will hit the limit way before 100%.
If your have low FPS because the CPU isn't the fastest/newest anymore, playing in the same resolution as you stream, is really smart. It eases quite a lot of the CPU stress, since it doesn't have to resize the frames, only compress them (that and the frames are physically smaller).
Thanks for all the help, every things been running great so far!
Your settings are IMHO reasonable for a 720p (but you don't tell us anything about your setup/internet!).
The preset setting however is entirely depending on your CPU (which you neglected to tell us about ). The setting "Default" is equivalent to "veryfast". Anything slower will require alot more CPU (see the link) but provide better quality.
Core i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ (I can overclock this to 3.8ghz) 6GB Corsair Dominator 1800 ATI Radeon 5870 Asus 26.5" 2MS 1920 x 1200
Holy s*** Batman, I want your internet :D
I have the same CPU and desktop resolution, and I need to reduce the desktop to maximum 1440x900 to stream a 720p at stock CPU frequency, otherwise I suffer below 30 FPS ingame. If you can OC safely, I'd highly recommend it.
Then you will be able to do a fine 720p stream with no problems. You should be able to do a 1080p (CPU will be loaded though)
My suggestions for settings: fps=30, quality=10, preset=default, bitrate: 1600 kbps for 720p, 4000 kbps for 1080p. Make sure to use "main origin cluster" for "location", and set Audio to: 44.1 KHz/16 bit Stereo with a bitrate of 128.000.
I have the same CPU and desktop resolution, and I need to reduce the desktop to maximum 1440x900 to stream a 720p at stock CPU frequency, otherwise I suffer below 30 FPS ingame. If you can OC safely, I'd highly recommend it.
Then you will be able to do a fine 720p stream with no problems. You should be able to do a 1080p (CPU will be loaded though)
My suggestions for settings: fps=30, quality=10, preset=default, bitrate: 1600 kbps for 720p, 4000 kbps for 1080p. Make sure to use "main origin cluster" for "location", and set Audio to: 44.1 KHz/16 bit Stereo with a bitrate of 128.000.
Haha yea the internet here is insane.
So I tried those settings but, when I go twitch.tv I can't select what resolution to view my broadcast in. Also, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. It feels a little choppy when I'm in game. Do I need to set it to windowed mode or something?
On September 16 2011 03:25 agentx3 wrote: a) when I go twitch.tv I can't select what resolution to view my broadcast in. b) Also, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. It feels a little choppy when I'm in game. Do I need to set it to windowed mode or something? Btw here is my stream: http://www.twitch.tv/hypern0va
a) Only JTV partners have the option to select resolution in the player (as far as I know) b) That's "normal". There will be a little lag input when streaming. You must set it to "Windowed Mode", because "Fullscreen" is not supported by XSplit as of yet (it will blink occasionally if you try). The better hardware and internet you have, the less lag you will feel. Also, check your FPS to monitor that you have 30+ while playing, otherwise you probably need to lower the resolution.
On September 16 2011 01:04 HellGreen wrote: There's an excellent post on the XSplit forums about it. Rather than I repeating its contents, here is the link: http://www.xsplit.com/blog.php?post_id=267
Your settings are IMHO reasonable for a 720p (but you don't tell us anything about your setup/internet!).
The preset setting however is entirely depending on your CPU (which you neglected to tell us about ). The setting "Default" is equivalent to "veryfast". Anything slower will require alot more CPU (see the link) but provide better quality.
Yeah I did read that post but didn't really understand what exactly they meant . I tried setting it to medium with the same upload, but didn't see any change in my stream, which is why I was confused.
On September 16 2011 06:52 Scila wrote: Yeah I did read that post but didn't really understand what exactly they meant . I tried setting it to medium with the same upload, but didn't see any change in my stream, which is why I was confused. [...] streaming 720p at 24 FPS and 10 quality.
The changes are subtle, especially at lower-ish resolutions like 720p. But look at your cpu usage - there is the big difference Any reason why you stream at 24FPS with that rig? Doesn't your ingame FPS suffer from this? I mean, XSplit sort of dictates the ingame FPS via the stream FPS setting.
On September 16 2011 06:52 Scila wrote: Yeah I did read that post but didn't really understand what exactly they meant . I tried setting it to medium with the same upload, but didn't see any change in my stream, which is why I was confused. [...] streaming 720p at 24 FPS and 10 quality.
The changes are subtle, especially at lower-ish resolutions like 720p. But look at your cpu usage - there is the big difference Any reason why you stream at 24FPS with that rig? Doesn't your ingame FPS suffer from this? I mean, XSplit sort of dictates the ingame FPS via the stream FPS setting.
Nope, ingame FPS is totally fine, its around 30-50 FPS. I thought 24 is the lowest FPS that still looks ok, but I suppose I could try increasing it to 30. I was just thinking that the quality of my stream wasn't as good as some other 720p streams I've seen.
hey how come I lag in game when I stream when I change to medium graphic quality on SC2? I sitll have 50+ fps. I have 100+fps when playing and streaming in low graphic quality. Also, why does your fps drop when you start streaming? because I have 200+fps when i'm not streaming.
On September 21 2011 11:36 Goodseed wrote: hey how come I lag in game when I stream when I change to medium graphic quality on SC2? I sitll have 50+ fps. I have 100+fps when playing and streaming in low graphic quality. Also, why does your fps drop when you start streaming? because I have 200+fps when i'm not streaming.
Impossible to speculate on the first part without more information from you. For the latter, streaming is CPU heavy, and the drop is also due to the way screen capture works.
I'm having an issue where I'm trying to stream 1024x768 in 1280x720 and everything's fine on my end but when i watch the stream over everything is super big and stretched out is there any way to fix this>
On September 23 2011 22:51 DeathGodKira wrote: I'm having an issue where I'm trying to stream 1024x768 in 1280x720 and everything's fine on my end but when i watch the stream over everything is super big and stretched out is there any way to fix this>
Yes, stream in the same aspect ratio as you play in. You're streaming in 4 : 3 and playing in 16 : 9.
On September 23 2011 22:51 DeathGodKira wrote: I'm having an issue where I'm trying to stream 1024x768 in 1280x720 and everything's fine on my end but when i watch the stream over everything is super big and stretched out is there any way to fix this>
Yes, stream in the same aspect ratio as you play in. You're streaming in 4 : 3 and playing in 16 : 9.
no im playing in (1024x768) 4 : 3 and streaming in (1280x720) 16 : 9 is there no way to make it to where its not so crammed/big?
On September 24 2011 00:18 DeathGodKira wrote: no im playing in (1024x768) 4 : 3 and streaming in (1280x720) 16 : 9 is there no way to make it to where its not so crammed/big?
Could you please post a link to a VOD, so I'm absolute sure what you mean Second, read my advice: "stream in the same aspect ratio as you play in". Why are you streaming in 1280x720 (16 : 9) and playing in 4 : 3? You should be streaming in 960x720 or 1024x768.
Hello there! I just started toying around with xsplit + jtv and everything works fine except my (as in me speaking) sound, as you'll notice if you watch a little of this saved vid:
On September 24 2011 02:00 Maxie wrote: Hello there! I just started toying around with xsplit + jtv and everything works fine except my (as in me speaking) sound, as you'll notice if you watch a little of this saved vid:
Not certain if it's just my microphone, but if there's any tips or advice regarding getting decent sound I'd highly appreciate it!
First, make sure the mic works in any other app, ie. Skype. Second, make sure you've set your mic up in "Settings - General - Audio" Also make sure that the volume is not muted (see picture)
If it still doesn't work, you should go to the XSplit forums and have a look - I remember seeing some mic-related issues there - might be a bug.
hellgreen thats the vod and i dont see a big problem with it on my monitor but my friends monitor it looks huge and streched out but then again i have a regular monitor and he has a 720p widescreen one. http://www.twitch.tv/deathgodkira/b/295767981
On September 25 2011 13:56 DeathGodKira wrote: hellgreen thats the vod and i dont see a big problem with it on my monitor but my friends monitor it looks huge and streched out but then again i have a regular monitor and he has a 720p widescreen one. http://www.twitch.tv/deathgodkira/b/295767981
I just watched the vod - thank you. It confirms what I said above. Just stream in ie. 960x720 or 1024x768.
I have Computer specs I play in 1920x1080 i7 960 - (3.2) Gtx 460 2 gb ram (on card) 12 gb ddr3 ram 30mb down / 5mb up Should my starcraft 2 settings matter? I can play on ultra no problem, but streaming is not good. It is choppy as hell, and the quality is terrible, I have messed with numerous settings as well.
I cannot for the life of me get a stream thats watchable, I have read through the thread and cannot figure it out, I would greatly appreciate any help I can get on this topic!
I am using the settings from http://www.xsplit.com/blog.php?post_id=267 this post, do you think it is better to do my own custom settings? Does any one have any recommendations? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Im having a issue where its only showing a PORTION of my screen, zoomed in. I already checked the scale viewpient % (which is "actual") and lowering that doesnt do anything... Heres a link to a quick example so u can see.
Havent streamed in like 2 months, trying to start again
On September 26 2011 01:43 TheChillCraft wrote: I have Computer specs I play in 1920x1080 i7 960 - (3.2) Gtx 460 2 gb ram (on card) 12 gb ddr3 ram 30mb down / 5mb up Should my starcraft 2 settings matter? I can play on ultra no problem, but streaming is not good. It is choppy as hell, and the quality is terrible, I have messed with numerous settings as well.
I cannot for the life of me get a stream thats watchable, I have read through the thread and cannot figure it out, I would greatly appreciate any help I can get on this topic!
I just watched this VOD where everything looks fine! I'm guessing you solved your issues then? Otherwise please do post all of your XSplit settings (resolution+fps+screen-shot of settings).
On September 26 2011 02:21 masternook wrote: I am having problems with my stream being a little choppier then I think it should be. My computer stats are 2500k gtx 570 8 gigs gskill
I am using the settings from http://www.xsplit.com/blog.php?post_id=267 this post, do you think it is better to do my own custom settings? Does any one have any recommendations? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
a) On the choppy-ness: Are you streaming at some low fps? If so, increase it to 30. Use bit rates that correspond to your stream resolution, ie. ~2000 kbit/s for a 720p stream. Set quality to 10. b) On custom settings: Use only if you know what they do - otherwise stick to the presets.
On September 26 2011 02:32 unit wrote: im considering streaming sc2 on medium (textures ultra) once i get my new pc build 4GB ram (1333) ati(amd) hd 6770 gpu intel i5 cpu
my speedtest is
if i cant stream with more than 20fps without suffering some severe lag then i dont intend to, but its good to know if its possible
You will be able to do a fine 720p stream at 30 FPS. Don't go for just 20. You should read this (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584) for additional information (your question is answered there too).
On September 26 2011 09:03 Malpractice.248 wrote: Im having a issue where its only showing a PORTION of my screen, zoomed in. I already checked the scale viewpient % (which is "actual") and lowering that doesnt do anything... Heres a link to a quick example so u can see.
Havent streamed in like 2 months, trying to start again
a) Your link is missing - but if this is what I think it is about, you are either experiencing a bug or have not added the entire screen to your scene.. I believe the best way to fix it, is to re-do your presentation. Create a new, or delete all regions/scenes and make them again. Also when adding full-screen applications don't drag the size of the region, just single click somewhere in it. b) The viewport setting has nothing to do with the output of the stream. It just scales the preview-window for a better fit on the desktop.
On September 26 2011 02:32 unit wrote: im considering streaming sc2 on medium (textures ultra) once i get my new pc build 4GB ram (1333) ati(amd) hd 6770 gpu intel i5 cpu
my speedtest is
if i cant stream with more than 20fps without suffering some severe lag then i dont intend to, but its good to know if its possible
You will be able to do a fine 720p stream at 30 FPS. Don't go for just 20. You should read this (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584) for additional information (your question is answered there too).
thank you very much, i didnt see that thread when i searched T_T even so its good to know that i should be able to stream at 30fps i might just start up a stream in a few weeks :D
Also, there have been some discussions about why the JTV plug-in changed it's default buffer size from x2 of the VBV max bitrate to the equal/same size. Was it a mistake? Was it intentional? Who knows, but it's not good for everyone. Some argue it helps to run with a lower buffer than the max bitrate, others the opposite. Since the buffer is only relevant for the viewer, I think it's mostly placebo effects:
The h.264 VBV model is based around the idea of a "VBV buffer" on the decoder side. As the h.264 stream is downloaded by the client(viewers) it's stored in the VBV buffer. A frame must be fully downloaded into the VBV buffer before it can be decoded.
Keep in mind someone with a really slow connection will see your stream as being complete garbage if it's too high. The closer they are to the VBV Maxrate, the closer it is to the actual quality of the upload. If anyone is reading this for anything else than live streaming, it acts differently for other scenarios, check the above link. Source: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1956
I have a i5 2500k Radeon HD 5770 and 8gib ram, 20/5 connection and i cannot stream in 1280 x 720 withe verything on low in SC2 using Xsplit, my framerate in SC2 drops to like 30 in non fights. Shouldnt i be able to stream in this quality? Have a bitrate of 2000 and a buffer thingy for 2000. My native res is 1680 x 1050.
On October 01 2011 00:27 unkkz wrote: I have a i5 2500k Radeon HD 5770 and 8gib ram, 20/5 connection and i cannot stream in 1280 x 720 withe verything on low in SC2 using Xsplit, my framerate in SC2 drops to like 30 in non fights. Shouldnt i be able to stream in this quality? Have a bitrate of 2000 and a buffer thingy for 2000. My native res is 1680 x 1050.
Yes, you're right, you should be able to stream. Are you not happy with the performance? Just so you know, streaming *will* impact your gaming experience (some FPS drop and slight lag-input - read some more posts/threads to know what to expect).
What is your stream FPS set to? Also, you mention the FPS drops to ~30 in non-fights..... what is it like in fights then?
Is it suppose to lag you if you watch a stream and stream at the same time lag you? fps drop? Like couple weeks ago, I was able to watch my own stream and stream and ladder at the same time but I'm not able to do it now. I've not changed any settings and if I watch 2 stream while not streaming it would make my pc so much lag. It might be firefox maybe, because I had couple updates from them. The "plugin-container" always like messing up.
My specs: GTS 250 i5 750 (not oced) 4gb ram
I usually have 40gb+ download but it is slow at the moment.
Hey, I have E8400, HD 6870, 4gigs of ram and 2mb upload. If I changed my cpu to Q6600 or better, OC it to around 3gigs, set affinity so that SC2 used 2 cores and xpslit 2, would I be able to get 960x600 stream without getting ingame fps drop? I currently stream 960x600 with my E8400 and while stream doesn't lag, quality is quite shit (doesn't need to be much better tho) and my fps ingame is around 20-30 (horrible to play with).
On October 05 2011 02:37 Thezftw wrote: Hey, I have E8400, HD 6870, 4gigs of ram and 2mb upload. If I changed my cpu to Q6600 or better, OC it to around 3gigs, set affinity so that SC2 used 2 cores and xpslit 2, would I be able to get 960x600 stream without getting ingame fps drop? I currently stream 960x600 with my E8400 and while stream doesn't lag, quality is quite shit (doesn't need to be much better tho) and my fps ingame is around 20-30 (horrible to play with).
I'm surprised you're having trouble, what fps are you trying to stream at? If you set your fps to 20 with mid quality and 500kbps you shouldn't have a problem. If you're bottlenecked though, it's definitely either the CPU or you're running too many programs at once.
On October 05 2011 02:37 Thezftw wrote: Hey, I have E8400, HD 6870, 4gigs of ram and 2mb upload. If I changed my cpu to Q6600 or better, OC it to around 3gigs, set affinity so that SC2 used 2 cores and xpslit 2, would I be able to get 960x600 stream without getting ingame fps drop? I currently stream 960x600 with my E8400 and while stream doesn't lag, quality is quite shit (doesn't need to be much better tho) and my fps ingame is around 20-30 (horrible to play with).
On October 05 2011 03:18 Thezftw wrote: My screen res is 1920x1200 and im compressing it into 960x600. That may affect it?
You CPU is definitely the bottleneck here. While I cannot give you any guarantees for your goal, it will definitively help to some degree, to upgrade the CPU. Measuring quality is subjective though - be sure to aim for something realistic . Generally I advice people to up their resolution, rather than play around with compression algorithms, simply because you quickly run out of tweaks/tricks when displaying ie. a 480p on a 1080p monitor. I'm not sure what your stream looks like though, maybe post a VOD?
And yes, your desktop resolution is also a factor.
Oh, and I strongly advice against streaming with 20 FPS. i) On low-end rigs like yours, XSplit basically caps your ingame FPS to that of XSplit. ii) For any semi-hardened stream watcher 20 FPS is crap to watch.
Yeah, seems like even Q6600 is better (4 cores as opposed to 2, and I would be trading my current cpu for it (someone might want higher clock speed for stuff that doesn't require more cores)).
I plan to stream 960x600 until I someday upgrade to i5 or something. And you think 25 fps would be good enough?
On October 05 2011 05:27 Thezftw wrote: And you think 25 fps would be good enough? Also, any ideas if I can host VOD in own3d?
FPS: Only if you really really have to - especially since the XSplit FPS seems to cap SC2 ingame (on low end rigs). So if you can live with playing at 25 FPS, go for it. Own3d: I think so, but I don't remember - I use twitch.tv 99% of the time. Check their website
Random FFA goofing but you need to skip half the video because some guy DC right at the start..
That was @ 30 FPS but the outcome clearly ain't 30 :o Game was playable tho
Also,
It's of course possible my connection isn't up for it, but xsplit usually doesn't consume all the bandwidth. I'm satisfied with the resolution as it's exactly half of my monitors native, and such most texts should still be readable.
Random FFA goofing but you need to skip half the video because some guy DC right at the start..
That was @ 30 FPS but the outcome clearly ain't 30 :o Game was playable tho
Also,
It's of course possible my connection isn't up for it, but xsplit usually doesn't consume all the bandwidth. I'm satisfied with the resolution as it's exactly half of my monitors native, and such most texts should still be readable.
Eitherway, ingame is the huge deal
30 fps is gigantic, you should really go for 15 or 20 with your setup. fps is the biggest thing that will lag you ingame.
On October 05 2011 12:59 Cel.erity wrote: 30 fps is gigantic, you should really go for 15 or 20 with your setup. fps is the biggest thing that will lag you ingame.
No, I respectfully disagree. 30 FPS is what you want to aim for. If you can't get it, lower it to 25 and then lower your resolution before FPS. A 15 FPS stream is visibly choppy to watch. And stream FPS is directly related to ingame FPS, due to the way screen capture works, especially on low end rigs. You want it as high as you can get it (to a certain point of course). Please read up on XSplit forums (ie. here http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=918) and partly this very guide and this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220584
I just dealt with a change from my cpu+mobo+ram+50€ to phenom II X4 965 BE (used), AM3 board (new) and 4gb ddr3 (new) ram. Should be sufficient enough until Bulldozers come out and are reviewed by trustworthy sites. Gonna get the stuff later this week/next monday, gonna try again then if it's any better.
On October 05 2011 22:38 Thezftw wrote: I just dealt with a change from my cpu+mobo+ram+50€ to phenom II X4 965 BE (used), AM3 board (new) and 4gb ddr3 (new) ram. Should be sufficient enough until Bulldozers come out and are reviewed by trustworthy sites. Gonna get the stuff later this week/next monday, gonna try again then if it's any better.
On October 05 2011 22:38 Thezftw wrote: I just dealt with a change from my cpu+mobo+ram+50€ to phenom II X4 965 BE (used), AM3 board (new) and 4gb ddr3 (new) ram. Should be sufficient enough until Bulldozers come out and are reviewed by trustworthy sites. Gonna get the stuff later this week/next monday, gonna try again then if it's any better.
Hi all, Been trying around with Xsplit but have had issues along the way, getting viewers telling me its stuttering or lagging at battles.
Setup: i7 2600k 2x 480 sli 16gb 1600 ram Internet is 40 down and 10 up (38.8 and 9.6 on speedtest.net) ms is 40ish
Xsplit settingsHave tried both in 1080p and 720p)
1080p Quality:10 Bitrate:3000 - 5000 is whats tried. vbuffer: tried at both 7000 and 3500 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also without any change. fps:30
720 Dont get as much stutter here, but it happens Quality:10 Bitrate:1500-3000 Tried all of them vbuffer: either tried double or the same amount as bitrate, fps:30 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also.
The 720 stream doesnt lag any special. but If I could have greater quality without any downsides that would be great. Could anyone help me with this problem? as you might have figured out, I'm not a stream expert x)
On October 06 2011 00:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hi all, Been trying around with Xsplit but have had issues along the way, getting viewers telling me its stuttering or lagging at battles.
Setup: i7 2600k 2x 480 sli 16gb 1600 ram Internet is 40 down and 10 up (38.8 and 9.6 on speedtest.net) ms is 40ish
Xsplit settingsHave tried both in 1080p and 720p)
1080p Quality:10 Bitrate:3000 - 5000 is whats tried. vbuffer: tried at both 7000 and 3500 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also without any change. fps:30
720 Dont get as much stutter here, but it happens Quality:10 Bitrate:1500-3000 Tried all of them vbuffer: either tried double or the same amount as bitrate, fps:30 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also.
The 720 stream doesnt lag any special. but If I could have greater quality without any downsides that would be great. Could anyone help me with this problem? as you might have figured out, I'm not a stream expert x)
Well, your rig definitely is not cramping you (16GB RAM? Who needs that? ), so I would imagine it's a network issue. I have 8Mb up, but speedtest servers and jtv servers aren't necessarily the same, and I can only afford about a 2Mbps bitrate. vbuffer I don't know, I just set it to double. The other thing is the quality, if you set your quality too high for your bitrate you may experience some stuttering, so you need to experiment. Have you tried streaming at 1080p with about 2k bitrate and 6 quality? That's what works for me.
On October 06 2011 00:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hi all, Been trying around with Xsplit but have had issues along the way, getting viewers telling me its stuttering or lagging at battles.
Setup: i7 2600k 2x 480 sli 16gb 1600 ram Internet is 40 down and 10 up (38.8 and 9.6 on speedtest.net) ms is 40ish
Xsplit settingsHave tried both in 1080p and 720p)
1080p Quality:10 Bitrate:3000 - 5000 is whats tried. vbuffer: tried at both 7000 and 3500 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also without any change. fps:30
720 Dont get as much stutter here, but it happens Quality:10 Bitrate:1500-3000 Tried all of them vbuffer: either tried double or the same amount as bitrate, fps:30 Encoding preset(Default) Tried superfast also.
The 720 stream doesnt lag any special. but If I could have greater quality without any downsides that would be great. Could anyone help me with this problem? as you might have figured out, I'm not a stream expert x)
Well, your rig definitely is not cramping you (16GB RAM? Who needs that? ), so I would imagine it's a network issue. I have 8Mb up, but speedtest servers and jtv servers aren't necessarily the same, and I can only afford about a 2Mbps bitrate. vbuffer I don't know, I just set it to double. The other thing is the quality, if you set your quality too high for your bitrate you may experience some stuttering, so you need to experiment. Have you tried streaming at 1080p with about 2k bitrate and 6 quality? That's what works for me.
No I havent tested that, I'll test it strait away and get back to you
Heya, thought i'd look for some help. I'm having great issues with streaming, I think my computer should be fine for it but obviously something isnt working out.
My rig:
i5 3,2ghz 8gb 1600mhz ram gtx 560
My internet is 100/10MB/s so I dont think this should be the problem either, but what do I know.
My settings are:
Quality = 6 Bitrate = 2000 Buffer = 2000 With my resolution being 1280x720 (HDTV)
I dont know why but I keep getting ~20fps ingame while streaming, no matter the graphics option ingame. ;_;
On October 06 2011 02:32 fnx wrote: Heya, thought i'd look for some help. I'm having great issues with streaming, I think my computer should be fine for it but obviously something isnt working out.
My rig:
i5 3,2ghz 8gb 1600mhz ram gtx 560
My internet is 100/10MB/s so I dont think this should be the problem either, but what do I know.
My settings are:
Quality = 6 Bitrate = 2000 Buffer = 2000 With my resolution being 1280x720 (HDTV)
I dont know why but I keep getting ~20fps ingame while streaming, no matter the graphics option ingame. ;_;
What location and preset settings are you using? And what is your stream FPS set to? Try Main Origin Cluster and "default" preset, and 25 or 30 FPS.
On October 06 2011 02:32 fnx wrote: Heya, thought i'd look for some help. I'm having great issues with streaming, I think my computer should be fine for it but obviously something isnt working out.
My rig:
i5 3,2ghz 8gb 1600mhz ram gtx 560
My internet is 100/10MB/s so I dont think this should be the problem either, but what do I know.
My settings are:
Quality = 6 Bitrate = 2000 Buffer = 2000 With my resolution being 1280x720 (HDTV)
I dont know why but I keep getting ~20fps ingame while streaming, no matter the graphics option ingame. ;_;
What location and preset settings are you using? And what is your stream FPS set to? Try Main Origin Cluster and "default" preset, and 25 or 30 FPS.
Heya, umm I tried your settings now and it felt like it was getting better atleast. But shortly after the fps was "locked" at around 20:ish. I have these settings now ( http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/streamyo.png/ ) where as my fps was set to 25. I dont understand why it's doing this as I've seen someone with worse computer than me pulling 60fps constantly ,_,
my fps in-game is absolute crap...any help? i've tried looking through the thread and anything i do won't help..is it my cpu?
Q6600@2.4 4gb ram gtx 470 25Mb D/U (25mb ea)
and i'm trying to stream broodwar...
everyone works fine, but it's just my fps is complete shit, can't play at all. don't even want to open up sc2 and see if my computer explodes. have video quality @1 & bit @500 still lag the hell out
On October 06 2011 21:17 Silidons wrote: my fps in-game is absolute crap...any help? i've tried looking through the thread and anything i do won't help..is it my cpu?
Q6600@2.4 4gb ram gtx 470 25Mb D/U (25mb ea)
and i'm trying to stream broodwar...
everyone works fine, but it's just my fps is complete shit, can't play at all. don't even want to open up sc2 and see if my computer explodes. have video quality @1 & bit @500 still lag the hell out
Your CPU isn't the best, but for a low res. stream you should be fine. In this case, it might be related to your gpu as well - what kind of FPS do you have while not streaming? Edit: Can you post a VOD?
On October 06 2011 19:18 fnx wrote: Heya, umm I tried your settings now and it felt like it was getting better atleast. But shortly after the fps was "locked" at around 20:ish. I have these settings now ( http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/streamyo.png/ ) where as my fps was set to 25. I dont understand why it's doing this as I've seen someone with worse computer than me pulling 60fps constantly ,_,
Just for reference can you do a much lower quality stream? Try a 480p / 30 fps / 1000 kbit/s. For an additional reference you might wanna try out FME too.
On October 06 2011 21:17 Silidons wrote: my fps in-game is absolute crap...any help? i've tried looking through the thread and anything i do won't help..is it my cpu?
Q6600@2.4 4gb ram gtx 470 25Mb D/U (25mb ea)
and i'm trying to stream broodwar...
everyone works fine, but it's just my fps is complete shit, can't play at all. don't even want to open up sc2 and see if my computer explodes. have video quality @1 & bit @500 still lag the hell out
Your CPU isn't the best, but for a low res. stream you should be fine. In this case, it might be related to your gpu as well - what kind of FPS do you have while not streaming? Edit: Can you post a VOD?
i have pretty good fps. i was just playing bf3 with no lag or anything on high. not sure on exact #'s but i never have any lag in sc2/bw/bfbc2/bf3
On October 06 2011 19:18 fnx wrote: Heya, umm I tried your settings now and it felt like it was getting better atleast. But shortly after the fps was "locked" at around 20:ish. I have these settings now ( http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/streamyo.png/ ) where as my fps was set to 25. I dont understand why it's doing this as I've seen someone with worse computer than me pulling 60fps constantly ,_,
Just for reference can you do a much lower quality stream? Try a 480p / 30 fps / 1000 kbit/s. For an additional reference you might wanna try out FME too.
I have literally no knowledge about streaming, and I have no idea how you set a 480p stream up. I do understand the fps one and the bufferrate thingie, though. ,_,
On October 06 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote: i have pretty good fps. i was just playing bf3 with no lag or anything on high. not sure on exact #'s but i never have any lag in sc2/bw/bfbc2/bf3
Are you able to stream those games?
As we talked in PMs you said you CPU hits +90% while streaming BW. That's a pretty clear indicator on where the problem is though.
On October 06 2011 21:55 fnx wrote: I have literally no knowledge about streaming, and I have no idea how you set a 480p stream up. I do understand the fps one and the bufferrate thingie. ,_,
On October 06 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote: i have pretty good fps. i was just playing bf3 with no lag or anything on high. not sure on exact #'s but i never have any lag in sc2/bw/bfbc2/bf3
Are you able to stream those games?
As we talked in PMs you said you CPU hits +90% while streaming BW. That's a pretty clear indicator on where the problem is though.
no this is the first time i've ever used a streaming program
has anyone else had a problem where they have BW with the stream open take up >90%cpu usage? what could be the problem with this if i have q6600@2.4ghz?
On October 06 2011 21:17 Silidons wrote: Q6600@2.4 4gb ram gtx 470 25Mb D/U (25mb ea)
have video quality @1 & bit @500 still lag the hell out
Wait, what resolution and FPS are you streaming with?
On October 06 2011 22:00 Silidons wrote: has anyone else had a problem where they have BW with the stream open take up >90%cpu usage? what could be the problem with this if i have q6600@2.4ghz?
That CPU isn't top of the line for streaming. Streaming is very CPU intensive, it might not be a BW problem. Try out SC2 for reference
i just figured out what the problem is, but its pretty much the same as not streaming. it hella lags out if i use my normal setting for bw (windowed mode with 2x magnify) but in normal windowed mode its way too small and i don't like full screen (can't work in full screen either).
any way around this?
i messed around with the settings and also got my cpu to ~50% with everything open
and streaming with the rec (1280x720) res and put FPS to 20.
Just played around with a few settings here and there.. raised the buffer to 7500~8000 and its working wonders now!
http://sv.twitch.tv/fnxlol/b/296811270 for a sample. Will proabably play around with the quality and stuff. Thanks for the guide (and the extra help) man !
Edit: actually nevermind that.. after awhile it drops down to 20ish fps. ,_,
On October 06 2011 23:52 fnx wrote: Just played around with a few settings here and there.. raised the buffer to 7500~8000 and its working wonders now!
http://sv.twitch.tv/fnxlol/b/296811270 for a sample. Will proabably play around with the quality and stuff. Thanks for the guide (and the extra help) man !
Edit: actually nevermind that.. after awhile it drops down to 20ish fps. ,_,
That much buffer is ridiculous anyway :D. Please try a 480p stream, just for reference - I'd like to know if that runs well or not. Also, are you able to record locally (not streaming) and keep the FPS up where it belongs?
I want to stream at 720p with 30 frames.. So i need to know which quality i should use, which preset.. which location and which bitrate / buffer ^^
Location: Try the London server, or else the "Main Origin Cluster" Preset: Medium (because your CPU is freaking awesome) Quality: 10 Bitrate/buffer: 2000/2000
If you wanted to, you could do a 1080p stream, no problem: Increase bitrate/buffer to 5000.
For reference, I'd like to see a VOD and if you would be so kind to tell me the ingame FPS + CPU usage on each core (maybe screen shot) that would be cool!
On October 05 2011 22:38 Thezftw wrote: I just dealt with a change from my cpu+mobo+ram+50€ to phenom II X4 965 BE (used), AM3 board (new) and 4gb ddr3 (new) ram. Should be sufficient enough until Bulldozers come out and are reviewed by trustworthy sites. Gonna get the stuff later this week/next monday, gonna try again then if it's any better.
On October 12 2011 05:32 Thezftw wrote: Kay tried 965 now, http://www.twitch.tv/thezftw/b/297234955 Still need to figure optimal settings :p And mouse isn't showing, wtf Also haven't OC'd yet.. my HWmonitor can't show temperatures.
A decent stream imo. Keep tweaking it - monitor the CPU usage (and ofc temps) . The mouse cursor can be "disabled" (hidden) in scene options - check there if you have it hidden. Feel free to come back with further questions
So i tried xsplit and twitch.tv stream and it just lags i believe isnt my setup, since it works awesome to own3d.tv
Pc specs: i7-2600k 4.5Ghz HD 6970 8GB ddr3 1866mhz (i have extra 8gb ddr and 1 6970 , outside due to overclocking , cooling issues) and a random SSD from Gskill.
Internet: 100/20 mbits speedtest results 90mbits / 21 mbits to a server in portugal
I believe is my connection to twitch.tv or something could you advise some servers etc for i try later ? Atm it just blacks and freezes all the time like 20sec freezes
On October 14 2011 21:52 vizouk wrote: So i tried xsplit and twitch.tv stream and it just lags i believe isnt my setup, since it works awesome to own3d.tv + Show Spoiler +
Pc specs: i7-2600k 4.5Ghz HD 6970 8GB ddr3 1866mhz (i have extra 8gb ddr and 1 6970 , outside due to overclocking , cooling issues) and a random SSD from Gskill.
Internet: 100/20 mbits speedtest results 90mbits / 21 mbits to a server in portugal
I believe is my connection to twitch.tv or something could you advise some servers etc for i try later ? Atm it just blacks and freezes all the time like 20sec freezes
Re-posting this from the earlier in the thread: Just posting this information here too, as it's rather important - and might distribute the load on JTV better:
Thanks for you quick answer and sorry for my late response :x Got a little bit rl trouble ^^
2000 bitrate and 2000 buffer is the best for 720p streaming? What would happen if i stream with 3000/3000? or 5000/5000 in 720p? Would this lag or would it look like the same with 2000/2000? :x
I test streamed Rage with 3000/3000 and your other setting tups and i get lagspikes from time to time. Could it be because of the quality setting 10? I have the feeling that he uses much more uploading when you set it to 10,
Im Streaming Starcraft II and my SC2 setup is everything is ultra and sometime when I stream with that setting I get no problem very clear no lag everything is good but sometime when I stream with that same setting I get huge huge huge lag on stream not on my computer side on my stream side...
I also pay for justin.tv account as well
what I want to do is stream 1080p with no lag... so please tell me what should i do??
Im Streaming Starcraft II and my SC2 setup is everything is ultra and sometime when I stream with that setting I get no problem very clear no lag everything is good but sometime when I stream with that same setting I get huge huge huge lag on stream not on my computer side on my stream side...
If that doesn't help, experiment with decreasing/increasing the buffer. The buffer setting is really weird - for some it must be higher than the max bitrate, for others lower. Technically it should even matter, so it's hard to give good advice on that setting.
Edit: This is fresh of the XSplit forums:
It seems most portals use a flash buffer below 2 sec. We have therefore changed the default vbv-buffer to 1 sec. This settings should really be matched against each of the streaming services supported (we will get to that)
In addition to that, XSplit are experimenting with some "test tools" that help determine optimum settings. Seems we're going to get "help" on the issue very soon.
I'm relatively new to streaming and looking to set up the optimal settings for my justin.tv stream. I run an i5-2500K/GTX 560 Ti/DDR3-1333 8GB/Win7 64b and have an UL of close to 1Mbps, what's the recommended resolution and rates for me to stream at? I'd like to think I have a decent computer to stream, but possibly bottlenecked by my UL? Thanks!
On October 18 2011 22:37 Tokalafuchs wrote: What about my questions with the 2000 / 3000 bitrate? ._.
You had 6 Mbit/s up, but that's to your ISP. The speed to justin.tv may (will) be lower. Experiment with lower speeds as well as different buffer values (1/4, 1/2, same, double, triple of bitrate). Also, don't guess, measure! Use "Resource Monitor" to keep an eye on it.
Theoretically a 720p stream shouldn't use more than 2500k, but it's all up to the codec settings and most importantly the variety in pixels between frames. In general you won't (be able to) see a difference between 2500k and 5000k.
On October 18 2011 15:33 timoseewho wrote: I'm relatively new to streaming and looking to set up the optimal settings for my justin.tv stream. I run an i5-2500K/GTX 560 Ti/DDR3-1333 8GB/Win7 64b and have an UL of close to 1Mbps, what's the recommended resolution and rates for me to stream at? I'd like to think I have a decent computer to stream, but possibly bottlenecked by my UL? Thanks!
This has been answered a ton of times in this thread already . 1 Mbit/s limits you a lot, so i'll recommend a 480p or 500p with full quality settings. You can also do a low-quality 720p stream. Keep FPS at 25 to save a bit of bandwidth, set preset to 'medium' or lower, quality to 10 and keep audio at 96k stereo.
On October 18 2011 15:33 timoseewho wrote: I'm relatively new to streaming and looking to set up the optimal settings for my justin.tv stream. I run an i5-2500K/GTX 560 Ti/DDR3-1333 8GB/Win7 64b and have an UL of close to 1Mbps, what's the recommended resolution and rates for me to stream at? I'd like to think I have a decent computer to stream, but possibly bottlenecked by my UL? Thanks!
This has been answered a ton of times in this thread already . 1 Mbit/s limits you a lot, so i'll recommend a 480p or 500p with full quality settings. You can also do a low-quality 720p stream. Keep FPS at 25 to save a bit of bandwidth, set preset to 'medium' or lower, quality to 10 and keep audio at 96k stereo.
Thanks, and I thought with a relatively new computer, it might be able to carry a bit more load hehe. What should I put my VBV Max Bitrate and VBV Buffer to, because when I change the preset, the rates don't change? Also my highest audio bitrate option is 64000, currently defaulted to 16000. A little off topic question, is it normal for my game's FPS to drop the moment I open up XSplit (not even broadcasting)? Thanks again!
On October 19 2011 00:45 timoseewho wrote: Thanks, and I thought with a relatively new computer, it might be able to carry a bit more load hehe. What should I put my VBV Max Bitrate and VBV Buffer to, because when I change the preset, the rates don't change? Also my highest audio bitrate option is 64000, currently defaulted to 16000. A little off topic question, is it normal for my game's FPS to drop the moment I open up XSplit (not even broadcasting)? Thanks again!
I kinda hinted you to read through the thread for the answers. But I'm in a good mood, so I'll repeat the info: A nice CPU means you can do good quality, but without good upload it won't matter. Try these: bitrate=650 kbit/s (buffer = same). For audio change the "format" to 44.1KHz to allow higher bitrates.
And yes, FPS drops are normal due to the way XSplit's capture driver works. You may want to check out the Dxtory thread which can help avoid this.
On October 19 2011 01:25 HellGreen wrote: I kinda hinted you to read through the thread for the answers. But I'm in a good mood, so I'll repeat the info: A nice CPU means you can do good quality, but without good upload it won't matter. Try these: bitrate=650 kbit/s (buffer = same). For audio change the "format" to 44.1KHz to allow higher bitrates.
And yes, FPS drops are normal due to the way XSplit's capture driver works. You may want to check out the Dxtory thread which can help avoid this.
Question, I am trying to get my my stream to play back audio out of 2 diff ports. I use my headphones to play ingame sound, but use my speakers to listen to music. Is it possible to have my stream get sound from both devices?
Hey guys, I was wondering if I could post my specs and someone knowledgable about streaming could tell me what kind of quality I could stream sc2/dota2 in with 60~fps on my PC, playing in borderless window 1920x1080
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2ghz quad core ATI Radeon HD 4890 4gb DDR3 Ram 1600 I think [with an 8gb page file on my HD if that matters] 1tb WD HDD
what kind of quality can I expect? right now I'm getting 10-40 fps with all specs on high streaming at 720p, mostly hovering in the 10-20 bracket for fps (not acceptable).
I'm not running AMD Overdrive or anything, I assume that would help a little bit, also if I crossfire another 4890 in there will that help?
I really appreciate any sort of help I can get here!
My net is more than enough with 3mbps Upload and 50mbps download
On October 20 2011 12:49 Kanadian wrote: Hey guys, I was wondering if I could post my specs and someone knowledgable about streaming could tell me what kind of quality I could stream sc2/dota2 in with 60~fps on my PC, playing in borderless window 1920x1080
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2ghz quad core ATI Radeon HD 4890 4gb DDR3 Ram 1600 I think [with an 8gb page file on my HD if that matters] 1tb WD HDD
what kind of quality can I expect? right now I'm getting 10-40 fps with all specs on high streaming at 720p, mostly hovering in the 10-20 bracket for fps (not acceptable).
I'm not running AMD Overdrive or anything, I assume that would help a little bit, also if I crossfire another 4890 in there will that help?
I really appreciate any sort of help I can get here!
My net is more than enough with 3mbps Upload and 50mbps download
Your CPU limits you. It will not help at all to go crossfire. Unless your settings are completely off, don't expect any miracles. You can post screenshots or details of these if you want. Actually, your best bet might be to change the capture driver - follow this guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764
Alright,I should have posted the update before u gave your advice (thank you very much btw), I did the dxtory thing and it brought my average FPS to 20~, dipping into teens sometimes, but mostly 18-22 fps, what processor would you recommend? Any sort of customization I can do to my 955 to help out? How beneficial can overclocking be, say if I can bring it up to 3.6ghz or something?
On October 20 2011 16:26 Kanadian wrote: * What processor would you recommend? * Any sort of customization I can do to my 955 to help out? How beneficial can overclocking be, say if I can bring it up to 3.6ghz or something?
I do a 720p @30fps with 20-55 FPS (20 when armies are maxed) on a i7 920 with Dxtory. I'm not saying that is the minimum you need, but it is somewhere in that region. Find your CPU in this list and compare with mine for an idea of where you are at - note this is just for a rough reference, other things like memory/ssd/hdd, desktop resolution matters too (though CPU is by far the major factor here). To ease the task for your CPU lower your desktop resolution to the same resolution you stream in (removes the "resizing"-task). Anything else will hurt the quality of the stream, but that includes: lowering FPS to 25, setting "preset" to "super- or ultrafast" and lowering "quality" setting.
Finally, for a second reference, if you look back in this thread for a user named "Thezftw" you'll see he has a 965 BE and is able to stream - though I'm unsure what settings he ended up using.
Hellgreen any advice for my problem? I am trying to get my my stream to play back audio out of 2 diff ports. I use my headphones to play ingame sound, but use my speakers to listen to music. Is it possible to have my stream get sound from both devices?
On October 21 2011 13:57 masternook wrote: Hellgreen any advice for my problem? I am trying to get my my stream to play back audio out of 2 diff ports. I use my headphones to play ingame sound, but use my speakers to listen to music. Is it possible to have my stream get sound from both devices?
I'm unsure what you mean by two ports. However, if XSplit doesn't just do what you want, you probably need to use Virtual Audio Cable (VAC) to complete your "circuit". It's not really related to XSplit, so it's not my area of expertise either - sry .
I've struggled to find an answer anywhere else, but with regards to streaming to Twitch/Justin.tv I've followed every guide I can find regarding the setup, and as far as I can see its setup perfectly but it still doesn't stream anything to my actual channel. My settings are here;
I click the channel to being broadcasting but nothing I can see in my stage window actually broadcasts to my channel. I can't find a fix for this on the latest release.. Have I done something blindingly obvious wrong or is there a problem?
My upload speed is 2.5mbps AFAIK.
EDIT: Have tried streaming to Ustream and Owned, Ustream kinda works but works perfectly on Owned.tv..
On October 28 2011 22:40 defteH wrote: I've struggled to find an answer anywhere else, but with regards to streaming to Twitch/Justin.tv + Show Spoiler +
I've followed every guide I can find regarding the setup, and as far as I can see its setup perfectly but it still doesn't stream anything to my actual channel. My settings are here;
I click the channel to being broadcasting but nothing I can see in my stage window actually broadcasts to my channel. I can't find a fix for this on the latest release.. Have I done something blindingly obvious wrong or is there a problem?
My upload speed is 2.5mbps AFAIK.
EDIT: Have tried streaming to Ustream and Owned, Ustream kinda works but works perfectly on Owned.tv..
Personally I've never had any trouble getting the stream online, but this is definitely a twitch.tv issue and I'm sorry to say this, but I think you need to ask twitch.tv support what's going on. It might be something as simple as your channel isn't validated/approved.
Here are some thoughts to think about: Have you ever had it working with twitch? Can you turn on broadcasting though their website (not exactly sure how that works by the way). Can you use twitch with FME? I'm also assuming XSplit works since you can stream to Ustream.
On October 28 2011 22:40 defteH wrote: I've struggled to find an answer anywhere else, but with regards to streaming to Twitch/Justin.tv + Show Spoiler +
I've followed every guide I can find regarding the setup, and as far as I can see its setup perfectly but it still doesn't stream anything to my actual channel. My settings are here;
I click the channel to being broadcasting but nothing I can see in my stage window actually broadcasts to my channel. I can't find a fix for this on the latest release.. Have I done something blindingly obvious wrong or is there a problem?
My upload speed is 2.5mbps AFAIK.
EDIT: Have tried streaming to Ustream and Owned, Ustream kinda works but works perfectly on Owned.tv..
Personally I've never had any trouble getting the stream online, but this is definitely a twitch.tv issue and I'm sorry to say this, but I think you need to ask twitch.tv support what's going on. It might be something as simple as your channel isn't validated/approved.
Here are some thoughts to think about: Have you ever had it working with twitch? Can you turn on broadcasting though their website (not exactly sure how that works by the way). Can you use twitch with FME? I'm also assuming XSplit works since you can stream to Ustream.
Sorry I couldn't help you more than this.
From earlier releases I've heard it could be a twitch issue, might be the settings, I'll have a butchers and maybe log a ticket with Twitch/Justin.tv and see what they say.
Also;
Never had it work on Twitch/Justin.tv Not sure, I'll look FME? Xsplit seems to work fine.
Adobe FME (aka Adobe FMLE aka "Flash Media (Live) Encoder")
Ahhh, yeah I think I downloaded it but never used it, I've used Livestream Procaster and that seemed to work fine, bit laggy ingame but manageable, Xsplit seems to be what everyone uses, but it seems to hate me
On October 30 2011 09:06 UberBaller wrote: Can someone give me a quick approximation of settings I should be streaming at? Thanks.
Q9300 @ 3.0 GTX260 4G DDR2-800 3 Mbit up
Your upload is nice, but your CPU is severely limiting you, but I guess you can try doing a 720p. These numbers are not set in stone, but here you go: 720p: Set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 2000), 25-30FPS, Preset='Default' or 'ultrafast', Quality=6.
Monitor your CPU usage, and if it is maxed, you need to drop to a 480p/540p: 480p/540p: Set your bitrate to 750-1000 (buffer 750-1000), 25-30FPS, Preset='Default' or 'ultrafast', Quality=6.
You might have success in lowering your desktop resolution to the same or close to what you're streaming in.
To help me understand your CPU better (for future reference), it would be interesting to know what kind of FPS you have ingame (average, not at the start of a game)?
On October 30 2011 09:06 UberBaller wrote: Can someone give me a quick approximation of settings I should be streaming at? Thanks.
Q9300 @ 3.0 GTX260 4G DDR2-800 3 Mbit up
Your upload is nice, but your CPU is severely limiting you, but I guess you can try doing a 720p. These numbers are not set in stone, but here you go: 720p: Set your bitrate to 2000 (buffer 2000), 25-30FPS, Preset='Default' or 'ultrafast', Quality=6.
Monitor your CPU usage, and if it is maxed, you need to drop to a 480p/540p: 480p/540p: Set your bitrate to 750-1000 (buffer 750-1000), 25-30FPS, Preset='Default' or 'ultrafast', Quality=6.
You might have success in lowering your desktop resolution to the same or close to what you're streaming in.
To help me understand your CPU better (for future reference), it would be interesting to know what kind of FPS you have ingame (average, not at the start of a game)?
I get 60 (capped) at the start of the game, around 45 or so late game. Of course, I play on low settings, 1680x1050.
I tried your settings, 720p is unplayable, 480p is playable, but the stream is really laggy. Like 10-12 fps or so.
On October 31 2011 03:54 UberBaller wrote: I tried your settings, 720p is unplayable, 480p is playable, but the stream is really laggy. Like 10-12 fps or so.
Ok, 480p is the max then. What does the CPU usage say? Ps. You might wanna check out the DXtory thread, as it helps a lot on FPS.
Hey I have this small problem and I guess this should be the best place to post
Using Xsplit (latest version) to stream, I the music I play using VLC or Winamp is not picked up by xsplit for some reason. Couldn't find a solution online, maybe I'm overlooking an option or something. Music coming out of Windows Media Player does play, and that's what I used before by my WMP broke and I can't reinstall it without reinstalling windows (retarded if you ask me..)
Anyone know how to make it so that the sound coming out of VLC or Winamp makes it to your stream?
On October 31 2011 06:40 Steel wrote: Hey I have this small problem and I guess this should be the best place to post
Using Xsplit (latest version) to stream, I the music I play using VLC or Winamp is not picked up by xsplit for some reason. Couldn't find a solution online, maybe I'm overlooking an option or something. Music coming out of Windows Media Player does play, and that's what I used before by my WMP broke and I can't reinstall it without reinstalling windows (retarded if you ask me..)
Anyone know how to make it so that the sound coming out of VLC or Winamp makes it to your stream?
XSplit picks up all sound sources per default, so your computer/installation is most likely the culprit here. It sounds like you're having some issues if WMP is broken beyond repair. However, you may be able to circumvent the problem using VAC (Virtual Audio Cable) - google or search TL for posts on it - good luck .
Hi, I've tried streaming but my stream is very choppy when trying to go at 720p and 25fps. Here are my specs: AMD Phenom II X6 Black 3.2ghz Gigabyte GTX560ti OC 12gb DDR3 D: 5M/ U:800k
with such a low upload, what would be the recommended settings for a smooth stream?
On November 02 2011 02:45 Sprite_ wrote: Hi, I've tried streaming but my stream is very choppy when trying to go at 720p and 25fps. Here are my specs: AMD Phenom II X6 Black 3.2ghz Gigabyte GTX560ti OC 12gb DDR3 D: 5M/ U:800k
with such a low upload, what would be the recommended settings for a smooth stream?
Your upload is limiting you greatly. a 720p on 800 kbit/s is pushing it hard - you generally need from 1.5-2-5 Mbit/s. Questions: Can you stream 480p fluently? Is the lag consistent? What server are you streaming to? (scroll back in the thread for explanation) What is your CPU usage at? And ingame FPS?
Tip: Try lowering your bitrate to 500 kbit/s and go from there.
Hey so I've been trying to set up a stream using xsplit but I still haven't found the optimal settings to use. Here are my specs: i5 2500k 4.2 ghz EVGA GTX 560 ti 4GB DDR3 RAM Upload: 2.87 Mbps Also I play in 1920x1080
Here are the settings I've used: Preset: Xsplit default Quality: 10 Bitrate: 2000 kbps and buffer: 2000 kbit Audio: 11.025 khz 16 bit stereo with a 16000 bitrate Resolution: 1280 x 720 FPS: 25
I've had to set my graphics to medium and ingame I get like 50-60 fps which is good but I'm wondering if I could run higher? Whenever I tried to stream on high or ultra the ingame fps was too low. Right now the current stream is at 720p but the stream itself is kinda choppy and laggy. Anyway I could fix this with better settings?
Here is a link to an example vod (note the gameplay is pretty bad I'm playing a computer just to test stream lol)
On November 04 2011 16:12 flipstorm wrote: Hey so I've been trying to set up a stream using xsplit but I still haven't found the optimal settings to use. Here are my specs: i5 2500k 4.2 ghz EVGA GTX 560 ti 4GB DDR3 RAM Upload: 2.87 Mbps Also I play in 1920x1080
Here are the settings I've used: Preset: Xsplit default Quality: 10 Bitrate: 2000 kbps and buffer: 2000 kbit Audio: 11.025 khz 16 bit stereo with a 16000 bitrate Resolution: 1280 x 720 FPS: 25
I've had to set my graphics to medium and ingame I get like 50-60 fps which is good but I'm wondering if I could run higher? Whenever I tried to stream on high or ultra the ingame fps was too low. Right now the current stream is at 720p but the stream itself is kinda choppy and laggy. Anyway I could fix this with better settings?
Here is a link to an example vod (note the gameplay is pretty bad I'm playing a computer just to test stream lol)
First, you could check out the Dxtory thread to get better ingame FPS (dxtory is a capture driver, that works better than what XSplit comes with). Second, I'm really baffled by your FPS drops on high/ultra - it really shouldn't matter that much with your kind of hardware. I able to stream on high with a much less powerful CPU. What kind of CPU usage do you have during streaming+gaming? Third, your audio settings are terrible - go for 44.1KHz and 128.000 bit/s or more.
To fix the lag, I would suggest lowering your bitrate from 2000 to 1000 - does that help? If so, your connection to the stream server you use is not good - try a different "location" in stream settings. Scroll back in the thread to learn more about location servers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11577196. If it doesn't help, post again with the additional information
Sometime in the soon future, the next version of XSplit will feature a "bandwidth test" button which should make finding the appropriate video bitrate a lot easier!
On November 04 2011 16:12 flipstorm wrote: Hey so I've been trying to set up a stream using xsplit but I still haven't found the optimal settings to use. Here are my specs: i5 2500k 4.2 ghz EVGA GTX 560 ti 4GB DDR3 RAM Upload: 2.87 Mbps Also I play in 1920x1080
Here are the settings I've used: Preset: Xsplit default Quality: 10 Bitrate: 2000 kbps and buffer: 2000 kbit Audio: 11.025 khz 16 bit stereo with a 16000 bitrate Resolution: 1280 x 720 FPS: 25
I've had to set my graphics to medium and ingame I get like 50-60 fps which is good but I'm wondering if I could run higher? Whenever I tried to stream on high or ultra the ingame fps was too low. Right now the current stream is at 720p but the stream itself is kinda choppy and laggy. Anyway I could fix this with better settings?
Here is a link to an example vod (note the gameplay is pretty bad I'm playing a computer just to test stream lol)
First, you could check out the Dxtory thread to get better ingame FPS (dxtory is a capture driver, that works better than what XSplit comes with). Second, I'm really baffled by your FPS drops on high/ultra - it really shouldn't matter that much with your kind of hardware. I able to stream on high with a much less powerful CPU. What kind of CPU usage do you have during streaming+gaming? Third, your audio settings are terrible - go for 44.1KHz and 128.000 bit/s or more.
To fix the lag, I would suggest lowering your bitrate from 2000 to 1000 - does that help? If so, your connection to the stream server you use is not good - try a different "location" in stream settings. Scroll back in the thread to learn more about location servers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11577196. If it doesn't help, post again with the additional information
Sometime in the soon future, the next version of XSplit will feature a "bandwidth test" button which should make finding the appropriate video bitrate a lot easier!
Ya I dunno whats up with the FPS drops. I just now tried streaming on 29.97 FPS instead of 25 while still on medium settings and it dropped me to like 25 fps in game. When I try to play on high I get like 25 fps too and on ultra its like 9 fps so its unplayable. While streaming/gaming I had 86% CPU usage.
Also, I kept my bitrate at 2000 and just changed the stream server location and that seemed to fix the stream lag so thanks a lot for that tidbit.
On November 05 2011 08:24 flipstorm wrote: Ya I dunno whats up with the FPS drops. I just now tried streaming on 29.97 FPS instead of 25 while still on medium settings and it dropped me to like 25 fps in game. When I try to play on high I get like 25 fps too and on ultra its like 9 fps so its unplayable. While streaming/gaming I had 86% CPU usage.
To "fix" the FPS, use dxtory - simple as that Your CPU usage is weirdly high - on your settings I'm hovering around 60% with a i7 920. I can't explain the difference - maybe check Task Manager to see whats going on in details. Also you have to be able to play and stream on ultra - something is going on here.... is your CPU by any chance throttling? Check the specs in ie. "CPU Z" and verify your clock speeds etc. How is performance in FPS intense games?
Well I gave up with DXTory after it wouldn't even record after doing so many things to make the hotkey change. Anyways, I tried running just xsplit with SC2. My main problem is that the FPS in game is at a pitiful 25fps~
Taking a look at the VOD I have below, the quality is actually quite nice, I was wondering what other alternatives (no DXTory) that I could possibly change to get my FPS in SC2 higher.
On November 05 2011 16:16 zZygote wrote: Well I gave up with DXTory after it wouldn't even record after doing so many things to make the hotkey change. Anyways, I tried running just xsplit with SC2. My main problem is that the FPS in game is at a pitiful 25fps~
Taking a look at the VOD I have below, the quality is actually quite nice, I was wondering what other alternatives (no DXTory) that I could possibly change to get my FPS in SC2 higher.
Comp specs:
i7 720QM 1.6GHz 8GB Ram DDR3 1920x1080 resolution CPU usage: 20-40% + Show Spoiler +
Poor music choice haha, but yeah. I think I covered everything for you guys to give me some recommendations on what I can do to fix my fps.
Sorry to hear you had trouble with Dxtory - but yes it's not bug-free unfortunately.
What is your CPU usage while streaming? There's no way it's 20-40% . Your CPU is not that powerful (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7+720QM+%40+1.60GHz) and I'm wondering why you have set CPU-dependent things like "Physics" to ultra - there's no way you CPU can handle that while streaming, sorry.
Comments: - What is your stream resolution? Because 600k bitrate seems low when you got 2000+ kbit/s available. - Your sound settings are bad - use 44.1KHz and >=128k bitrate. - For the FPS issue, you can try a different 3rd party driver, like SCFH (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230865), but I'm pretty sure it's CPU related - streaming is insanely CPU intensive - people with twice your CPU power do not always have enough power.
Edit for below post: Oh, I didn't realize you were being limited on monthly traffic when you posted. In that case, of course cut down on the upload as you please.
I'm bit of a bandwidth whore. With only a limit of 250GB, I tend to use the rest on streaming videos, and what not as I at least watch 10-20GB worth on media alone in a month. I understand the part on it being CPU intensive so I'll lower the settings on SC2 and hopefully it will fix some of that lag. Other than that I'm willing to try out your recommendation on the sound and the SCFH driver.
Hey guys, im trying to fix my problems with xsplit. If I just start xsplit i got ingame laggs - NOT FPS DROPS. Its not that fluent like if i close it. My computer specs and internet connection are:
Edit: My CPU usage is around 50% - I also changed output resolution to 1-2 steps lower. Still not fluent.
xsplit settings: fps: 25 resolution: 1280x720 HD video preset: most on default (I also tried slower - faster and so on) Quality i tried everything from 5 to 10 Upload first 3000 - then i read that xsplit cant handle that huge bandwith. So i decided to test 1000, 1500 - but nothing changed.
my channel, where i tried to stream with different settings . i tried nearly everythin. You can check my VODs and see my little "lagg". Thanks for any advice.
What kinda sc2/xsplit settings should I be looking at with...
PC spec Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Type: Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz CPU Speed: 2.69 GHz System Memory: 5.99 GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Memory: 2.74 GB Primary Display Resolution: 1680x1050 Secondary Display Resolution: 1680x1050
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I haven't seen anybody post about streaming 60 fps or even above 30.
On November 07 2011 19:15 eNjiin wrote: Hey guys, im trying to fix my problems with xsplit. If I just start xsplit i got ingame laggs - NOT FPS DROPS. Its not that fluent like if i close it.
On November 08 2011 01:19 starheroz2 wrote: What kinda sc2/xsplit settings should I be looking at with...
PC spec CPU Type: Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz + Show Spoiler +
CPU Speed: 2.69 GHz System Memory: 5.99 GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Memory: 2.74 GB Primary Display Resolution: 1680x1050 Secondary Display Resolution: 1680x1050
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I haven't seen anybody post about streaming 60 fps or even above 30.
30+ FPS is very difficult to obtain using software grabbers like XSplit - I believe most uses (external) hardware grabber cards.
I have the same CPU and I can tell you, you cannot do 30+ FPS at 720p, and frankly I wouldn't if I could - personally I just don't see the reason for it. The difference between 30 and 60 FPS is negligible (http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html) - ...subjective opinion I know.
My suggestion for settings: Stream: 720p @ 30FPS Location (assuming Twitch.tv): Use a server near you Preset: Fast Quality: 10 Max bitrate/buffer: 2500/2500 Audio: 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo, 128.000 bit/s Please note that preset, bitrate and buffer might need some tweaking according to your specific rig/internet/random events.
On November 07 2011 19:15 eNjiin wrote: Hey guys, im trying to fix my problems with xsplit. If I just start xsplit i got ingame laggs - NOT FPS DROPS. Its not that fluent like if i close it.
On November 08 2011 01:19 starheroz2 wrote: What kinda sc2/xsplit settings should I be looking at with...
PC spec CPU Type: Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz + Show Spoiler +
CPU Speed: 2.69 GHz System Memory: 5.99 GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Memory: 2.74 GB Primary Display Resolution: 1680x1050 Secondary Display Resolution: 1680x1050
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I haven't seen anybody post about streaming 60 fps or even above 30.
30+ FPS is very difficult to obtain using software grabbers like XSplit - I believe most uses (external) hardware grabber cards.
I have the same CPU and I can tell you, you cannot do 30+ FPS at 720p, and frankly I wouldn't if I could - personally I just don't see the reason for it. The difference between 30 and 60 FPS is negligible (http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html) - ...subjective opinion I know.
My suggestion for settings: Stream: 720p @ 30FPS Location (assuming Twitch.tv): Use a server near you Preset: Fast Quality: 10 Max bitrate/buffer: 2500/2500 Audio: 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo, 128.000 bit/s Please note that preset, bitrate and buffer might need some tweaking according to your specific rig/internet/random events.
Thanks HellGreen! I'll try these settings out. Also quick question about sc2 settings. Should I be aiming for a certain setup or can I max out my sc2 settings or does that not matter?
My stream shows up as a black window if I run sc2 in "full screen" mode, but if I run it in "windowed (full screen)" it shows up. The only problem is that I seem to lag a bit in windowed (fullscreen). Is this something I can fix?
On November 08 2011 05:33 MannerMan wrote: My stream shows up as a black window if I run sc2 in "full screen" mode, but if I run it in "windowed (full screen)" it shows up. The only problem is that I seem to lag a bit in windowed (fullscreen). Is this something I can fix?
XSplit only support games that run in windowed fullscreen. But you can use the 3rd party screen capture drivers for better performance - ie. see top post on this page.
On November 08 2011 04:39 starheroz2 wrote: Also quick question about sc2 settings. Should I be aiming for a certain setup or can I max out my sc2 settings or does that not matter?
Well, you won't have much CPU power in abundance, so for lategame reasons, you might want to lower the settings that use CPU. High graphics that doesn't use the CPU does not really influence streaming SC2 much (roughly: graphics is handled by the GPU - streaming by the CPU). I stream on a combo of "High/custom settings" while trying to keep FPS to at least 25.
On November 09 2011 18:18 LaLuSh wrote: How does one try different locations?
When I try to edit Location the only option is Default. No ingestion servers are listed. And yes, I've got the latest JTV plugin.
What version of the plugin do you have then? I remember the first time I updated the plug-in I had to exit the plugin (the settings) and re-enter it for the updated server list to appear.
On November 09 2011 18:18 LaLuSh wrote: How does one try different locations?
When I try to edit Location the only option is Default. No ingestion servers are listed. And yes, I've got the latest JTV plugin.
What version of the plugin do you have then? I remember the first time I updated the plug-in I had to exit the plugin (the settings) and re-enter it for the updated server list to appear.
Anyway, it should look like this:
and
hm weird i do not have the plugins option like yours
Any discrepancies could be because I have access to non-released versions of XSplit as I'm a member of their "volunteer test team". But the updated server list has been available for quite some time - even before I joined said group.
I'm having issues getting a desired stream quality. After having tinkered with Xsplit for more hours than I'd like to admit over the past few months, I've settled on something that looks okay-ish, but is still disappointing.
Video Encoding: Preset - Xsplit Default Quality 10 VBV Max Bitrate (kbps): 1200 VBV Buffer (kbit): 400
Audio Encoding: Format: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000
Menu Settings: Resolution: 1280x720 (I would ideally like to get this running at 1920x1080, but I can't even get this running smoothly at the moment) FPS: 30
I'm fine with keeping it 720p if I have to, I just wish the quality was better. I feel like both my computer and my internet connection are good enough that I shouldn't have to deal with such inconsistent and sometimes just poor stream quality. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
On November 25 2011 17:49 Boblhead wrote: @ Go1den Overclock your i5-2600k + Show Spoiler +
nice typo!
. You will get 10x better quality, plus the i5-2600k will overclock to like 4.5 on air EZPZ. The higher you clock the better quality you will get.
Higher clock speeds = better h.264 encoding. Faster encoding = better stream quality. You will be able to stream 1080 @ a clock speed above 4ghz.
I respectfully disagree. Whether he has the i5 2500k or the i7 2600k, he can not cap his CPU on 720p with the default preset and 1264 kbps.
There's also a potential misunderstanding in your paragraph. While streaming is seriously cpu intensive, more power (clock speed) does not equal better encoding (quality). This is controlled through the h.264 settings (which is the preset setting). For example: An i7 920 and a i5 2500 will give the same quality on default preset, because they are both capable of doing the work that preset requires. However the i5 2500 could also be used with the 'medium' preset and thus give much better quality than the i7 920.
@Gol1den What is your CPU usage at while streaming SC2? 1) For better quality, increase the preset setting until your CPU is moderately maxed out. 2) Use the Bandwith Test button to determine the best bitrate you can sustain - 1200 kbps on a 720p is not optimum and limits the overall quality as well. Oh, and you will not be able to do 1080p unless you get at least 2500 kbps in the test. 3) Consider increasing the audio to 128 kbps - 64 just sounds bad imho.
Oh, my bad, it's a 2500k. That is a typo indeed. As for CPU usage, when streaming in 720p it's currently around 50-60%. Also, where is this Bandwidth Test button you speak of? I didn't know Xsplit had anything like that, but it sounds incredibly useful.
Also, I would prefer not to overclock it if at all possible. I realize the 2500k is supposedly incredibly easy to OC but I don't see the need for it when I haven't had an issue with CPU being a limiting factor in anything I do yet. If someone were to come along and convince me the only reason I can't stream in 720p or 1080p is my CPU, I'd probably overclock it.
Hey guys, I have a i5-2500k (currently at stock settings but I can OC if needed, a GTX560ti, and 8 GB ram. My upload speed is 3.09 Mbps, Very similar to Gol1den. I would also like to know the optimal settings I should obtain. I've been fiddling with xsplit settings for hours!
On November 26 2011 02:31 Go1den wrote: Oh, my bad, it's a 2500k. That is a typo indeed. As for CPU usage, when streaming in 720p it's currently around 50-60%. Also, where is this Bandwidth Test button you speak of? I didn't know Xsplit had anything like that, but it sounds incredibly useful.
50-60% was exactly what I expected. Now adjust the preset to medium and watch the difference in both CPU usage and quality. However it won't be super crisp with only 1200 kbps - hopefully you can find a server that allows for 2000 or more. You do not need to OC your CPU for a 720p.
I'm assuming that XSplit has released this now, since I've seen it in screen shots in other threads. The 'bandwidth test' button is located at the bottom of the "Justin/Twitch.tv properties" window (Tip: Right click your "Justin/twitch.tv" menu item in the "Broadcast" menu). If it is not available, you'll have to wait (or download the un-released version by logging into Xsplit with email: tier3@xsplit.com / password: update).
On November 26 2011 02:49 HotSoup470 wrote: Hey guys, I have a i5-2500k (currently at stock settings but I can OC if needed, a GTX560ti, and 8 GB ram. My upload speed is 3.09 Mbps, Very similar to Gol1den. I would also like to know the optimal settings I should obtain. I've been fiddling with xsplit settings for hours!
There's no one-fits-all-configuration in streaming, but here are some loose suggestions: a) Find out what your upload to Twitch can sustain - use "bandwidth test" button as described above. And remember to run an action packed replay while doing the test. b) Then set up something like: Stream: 720p @ 30FPS Location (assuming Twitch.tv): Use the fastest server you can find. Preset: Medium Quality: 10 Max bitrate/buffer: ^^ Use figure found in a) Audio: 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo, 128.000 bit/s Please note that preset, bitrate and buffer might need some tweaking according to your specific rig/internet/random stuff.
Thanks for all of the help and the fast responses. I will report back after trying some of these ideas.
Edit: After updating and running the bandwidth test, I had an average data rate of 1650 kbps. So I take it that means I need to change my bitrate to 1500 or so, would that give me the best results?
On November 26 2011 04:59 Go1den wrote: Thanks for all of the help and the fast responses. I will report back after trying some of these ideas.
Edit: After updating and running the bandwidth test, I had an average data rate of 1650 kbps. So I take it that means I need to change my bitrate to 1500 or so, would that give me the best results?
You're welcome and yes, that is correct. 1500 kpbs will leave just enough room for the audio. GL
Hey hey everybody! I just started to try out streaming and so far everything is working wonderful. I only got a minor question concerning the add screen region feature. I am on a res of 1680*1050 and I want xsplit to use only 1400*1050 of the screen so I have 200px for priv. chats as I dont have a 2nd monitor yet.
Everytime I assign the 1400*1050 xsplit edits it into 1680*1050 Is there any possbility?
On November 29 2011 03:05 Eisregen wrote: Hey hey everybody! I just started to try out streaming and so far everything is working wonderful. I only got a minor question concerning the add screen region feature. I am on a res of 1680*1050 and I want xsplit to use only 1400*1050 of the screen so I have 200px for priv. chats as I dont have a 2nd monitor yet.
Everytime I assign the 1400*1050 xsplit edits it into 1680*1050 Is there any possbility?
On November 29 2011 03:05 Eisregen wrote: I am on a res of 1680*1050 and I want xsplit to use only 1400*1050 of the screen so I have 200px for priv. chats as I dont have a 2nd monitor yet.
You can crop your screen region - right click it and set it up.
On November 29 2011 06:24 HellGreen wrote: You can crop your screen region - right click it and set it up.
Tried that already, the screen size is locked (grey) and I cant change it.
I'm talking about the "cropping" feature in the "Position" tab. Make sure your scene is not locked (see same tab). You are supposed to be able to crop scene regions, so if you can't you might want to re-create yours (maybe even the presentation).
On November 29 2011 11:32 HellGreen wrote: I'm talking about the "cropping" feature in the "Position" tab. Make sure your scene is not locked (see same tab). You are supposed to be able to crop scene regions, so if you can't you might want to re-create yours (maybe even the presentation).
Ah now I get you. Tried it and it crashes Xsplit for me :D I am going with the StreamPrivacy meantioned earlier and it is working pretty reliable. Thx both of you for the help =)
I have another problem now: The microphpone. Does Xsplit have a background noise suppression? (as I never had that problem via skype/teamspeak)
I am using an Asus Xonar D1 PCI on a MSI 770 C45 Board and if I monitor the Mic sound I got a horrbile background noise with the mic-boost on (which is not adjustable, just on/off). Like a constant buzzing in the background. If I turn the mic boost off the background noise is gone but my mic is really low and one can barely hear me.
If I use the onboardsound (was always disabled in bios so far), I can adjust the boost from 0-10-20-30. 10 still gives me the background noise (sure it boosts it) but it is on an acceptable level when not talking or playing music.
I tried 2 headsets on both sound devices and the result was the same. Soundcard: buzzing with micboost on. No buzzung but low volume without (volume level on 100) Onboard: buzzing with boost on, gets lower with lower boost. Boost off, no buzzing but too low on volume.
First I thought my boxes where interfering and not shielded good enough, but even with directly plugged in headsets, there wont be a change.
I know hardware like the CPU, gpu even the PSU can cause eletrical interference or when the case isnt grounded properly.
It appears mostly when there is no talking/music, didnt observe sth. special when starting games etc.
How do you guys handle it, if you have a similar problem and does anyone know a way to adjust the boost volume with an Asus Xonar D1?
On November 29 2011 11:32 HellGreen wrote: I'm talking about the "cropping" feature in the "Position" tab. Make sure your scene is not locked (see same tab). You are supposed to be able to crop scene regions, so if you can't you might want to re-create yours (maybe even the presentation).
Ah now I get you. Tried it and it crashes Xsplit for me :D I am going with the StreamPrivacy meantioned earlier and it is working pretty reliable. Thx both of you for the help =)
I have another problem now: The microphpone. Does Xsplit have a background noise suppression? (as I never had that problem via skype/teamspeak) + Show Spoiler +
I am using an Asus Xonar D1 PCI on a MSI 770 C45 Board and if I monitor the Mic sound I got a horrbile background noise with the mic-boost on (which is not adjustable, just on/off). Like a constant buzzing in the background. If I turn the mic boost off the background noise is gone but my mic is really low and one can barely hear me.
If I use the onboardsound (was always disabled in bios so far), I can adjust the boost from 0-10-20-30. 10 still gives me the background noise (sure it boosts it) but it is on an acceptable level when not talking or playing music.
I tried 2 headsets on both sound devices and the result was the same. Soundcard: buzzing with micboost on. No buzzung but low volume without (volume level on 100) Onboard: buzzing with boost on, gets lower with lower boost. Boost off, no buzzing but too low on volume.
First I thought my boxes where interfering and not shielded good enough, but even with directly plugged in headsets, there wont be a change.
I know hardware like the CPU, gpu even the PSU can cause eletrical interference or when the case isnt grounded properly.
It appears mostly when there is no talking/music, didnt observe sth. special when starting games etc.
How do you guys handle it, if you have a similar problem and does anyone know a way to adjust the boost volume with an Asus Xonar D1?
Yeah, I know what you mean. The boost feature will always induce static noise, that's normal, and you've already covered why with mentioning EMC/electronic interference. There is no filter in XSplit, but there is in Windows 7. Goto Recording Devices, select your Mic and chose Proporties, select the "Enhancements" tab and enable the three choices ("DC Offset Cancellation", "Noise Suppression", "Acoustic Echo Cancellation"). After 1-2 seconds the background noise should disappear. Note these enhancements may not be available on all devices (they are not on "Line-In") and may also depend on drivers (I have a Realtek onboard sound board).
Streaming resolution: 1280x720 Streaming FPS: 30 General : Let XSplit disable Aero theme [checked] Make XSplit a layered window [unchecked] Enable Skype Interaction [unchecked] Microphone : Line in(SoundMAX Integrated Di Channels : JustinTV - http://sv.justin.tv/grokken Location : Main Origin Cluster Video Encoding Quality : 6 VBV Max Bitrate (kbps) : 4000 VBV Buffer (kbit) : 4000 Resolution : Default Stage Resolution Audio Encoding Format : 44.100 KHz 16bit Stereo Codec : MP3 Bitrate: 64000
Screen region settings: 1920x1080 (entire left monitor) Capture layered windows[unchecked] Optimize for non-motion picture[unchecked] Optimize text resize[unchecked]
Ingame FPS drops from 200+ to 20-40 as soon as i create a screen region. If I try to stream it is also really choppy even more so than it is ingame. CPU usage is below 40% at all times. Same thing with ram. Changing ingame resolution to 1280x120 helps somewhat, but there are still issues. I've tried checking and unchecking every possible setting, played around with bitrates, resolutions, quality, locations, etc.
On November 30 2011 05:19 Grokken wrote: CPU: i7 920 2667GHZ Streaming resolution: 1280x720 Streaming FPS: 30 Location : Main Origin Cluster VBV Max Bitrate (kbps) : 4000 + Show Spoiler +
GPU : Radeon HD 5870 RAM : 6GB HDD : 1TB
Ingame resolution: 1920x1080
General : Let XSplit disable Aero theme [checked] Make XSplit a layered window [unchecked] Enable Skype Interaction [unchecked] Microphone : Line in(SoundMAX Integrated Di Channels : JustinTV - http://sv.justin.tv/grokken Video Encoding Quality : 6 VBV Buffer (kbit) : 4000 Resolution : Default Stage Resolution Audio Encoding Format : 44.100 KHz 16bit Stereo Codec : MP3 Bitrate: 64000
Screen region settings: 1920x1080 (entire left monitor) Capture layered windows[unchecked] Optimize for non-motion picture[unchecked] Optimize text resize[unchecked]
Ingame FPS drops from 200+ to 20-40 as soon as i create a screen region. If I try to stream it is also really choppy even more so than it is ingame. CPU usage is below 40% at all times. Same thing with ram. Changing ingame resolution to 1280x120 helps somewhat, but there are still issues. I've tried checking and unchecking every possible setting, played around with bitrates, resolutions, quality, locations, etc.
Thanks. I have very similar hardware and I can tell you from experience, that it's very very difficult to run a 720p on that CPU. You have two options: a) Use a 3rd party capture driver such as DXTory or SCFH. I believe you already tried DXTory and while it works, you didn't want to buy it to remove the watermark. Maybe give SCFH a shot then: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230865 b) OC your CPU
Some minor tweaks that I would do: Set location to either Amsterdam or London (if you don't have them see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12222283) Change bitrate to match the maximum bandwidth you have available. Use the "Bandwidth test" button (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12518978). Set preset to "fast" to get a lot better quality and utilize your CPU more (it will go to +85% on "fast"). Set quality to 10. Set audio bitrate to 128.000 or higher for better audio quality.
Yeah, I know what you mean. The boost feature will always induce static noise, that's normal, and you've already covered why with mentioning EMC/electronic interference. There is no filter in XSplit, but there is in Windows 7. Goto Recording Devices, select your Mic and chose Proporties, select the "Enhancements" tab and enable the three choices ("DC Offset Cancellation", "Noise Suppression", "Acoustic Echo Cancellation"). After 1-2 seconds the background noise should disappear. Note these enhancements may not be available on all devices (they are not on "Line-In") and may also depend on drivers (I have a Realtek onboard sound board).
I didnt had those options neither on the ASUS nor the Onboard, searched the Realtek drivers and what happens? the noise suppression is there =)
So guess I will use the onboard for my mic and my soundcard for the music etc. A bit annoying unplugging etc but well, shit happens!
Important addition to XSplit: The Bandwidth Test button
Edit: This feature is only available to subscribers (personal/premium licence required) - sorry. Edit: I'm getting contradicting statements on the above. Seems like XSplit switches it on/off for free users atm. Use it if you can =)
Please take note of this, as this will help you immensely when trying to tweak your bitrate settings:
*) How to measure your bandwidth in XSplit: a) Important: Configure your settings (especially "Location"), load up a game, ie. SC2, and run an 200/200 action-packed replay b) Click the button
Obsolete information since XSplit sent out latest beta version: Note - if you don't have the 'bandwidth test' button, it's because XSplit hasn't released it yet. If you want the latest (beta of the beta), login with username: tier3@xsplit.com / password: update. It's perfectly okay to do, but I must tell you not to report bugs on XSplit forums and please note it's not released for a reason .
Ps. If anybody quotes this post, please put the pictures in a spoiler - thanks.
On November 30 2011 05:19 Grokken wrote: CPU: i7 920 2667GHZ Streaming resolution: 1280x720 Streaming FPS: 30 Location : Main Origin Cluster VBV Max Bitrate (kbps) : 4000 + Show Spoiler +
GPU : Radeon HD 5870 RAM : 6GB HDD : 1TB
Ingame resolution: 1920x1080
General : Let XSplit disable Aero theme [checked] Make XSplit a layered window [unchecked] Enable Skype Interaction [unchecked] Microphone : Line in(SoundMAX Integrated Di Channels : JustinTV - http://sv.justin.tv/grokken Video Encoding Quality : 6 VBV Buffer (kbit) : 4000 Resolution : Default Stage Resolution Audio Encoding Format : 44.100 KHz 16bit Stereo Codec : MP3 Bitrate: 64000
Screen region settings: 1920x1080 (entire left monitor) Capture layered windows[unchecked] Optimize for non-motion picture[unchecked] Optimize text resize[unchecked]
Ingame FPS drops from 200+ to 20-40 as soon as i create a screen region. If I try to stream it is also really choppy even more so than it is ingame. CPU usage is below 40% at all times. Same thing with ram. Changing ingame resolution to 1280x120 helps somewhat, but there are still issues. I've tried checking and unchecking every possible setting, played around with bitrates, resolutions, quality, locations, etc.
Thanks. I have very similar hardware and I can tell you from experience, that it's very very difficult to run a 720p on that CPU. You have two options: a) Use a 3rd party capture driver such as DXTory or SCFH. I believe you already tried DXTory and while it works, you didn't want to buy it to remove the watermark. Maybe give SCFH a shot then: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230865 b) OC your CPU
Some minor tweaks that I would do: Set location to either Amsterdam or London (if you don't have them see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12222283) Change bitrate to match the maximum bandwidth you have available. Use the "Bandwidth test" button (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12518978). Set preset to "fast" to get a lot better quality and utilize your CPU more (it will go to +85% on "fast"). Set quality to 10. Set audio bitrate to 128.000 or higher for better audio quality.
Did the banwidth test, gave me 4049 kbps. Setting preset to fast didnt do much but if i set it to medium it takes up a lot of cpu. I don't think the problem lies with the actual streaming, must have something to do with the video capturing, as my fps drops as soon as I select a screen region. It doesn't matter if i stream at 720p or 640x360, I get the same fps regardless. Also, why do I get so low fps when the cpu isnt even fully used?
Tried scfh and it only lets me record in 320x180, and lags even more than xsplit.
On November 30 2011 10:04 Grokken wrote: [...] a) I don't think the problem lies with the actual streaming, must have something to do with the video capturing, as my fps drops as soon as I select a screen region. It doesn't matter if i stream at 720p or 640x360, I get the same fps regardless. b) Also, why do I get so low fps when the cpu isnt even fully used?
c) Tried scfh and it only lets me record in 320x180, and lags even more than xsplit.
To answer the above. a) Did you already try to make a new "Presentation" in XSplit. This has helped me before in that situation. Secondly make absolutely sure Windows Aero is disabled (you might want to change your theme into "Basic"). Thirdly minimize XSplit. In each step take note of the FPS. b) Because the capture driver in XSplit is not fully optimized - it's unable to use the power of the CPU and being hindered/blocked by something (most likely inefficient software coding or the layer in Windows that handles graphics). This is also why we love DXTory so much, because it is way more efficient. Also keep in mind that XSplit isn't released yet - it may yet be improved. They already announced the GameSource (alternate built-in capture driver) feature which last time I checked was available to paying customers only. Though this also still need work to compete with DXTory. c) That's weird. Both statements actually. Something indicates it's not set up right then. Don't give up yet.
With your CPU (i7 920) it is extremely difficult to get a decent 720p stream with ingame FPS above 20 without using DXTory.
On November 30 2011 11:00 jw232 wrote: For some reason my stream is delayed. I can see it's streaming perfectly fine with no delay at http://www.justin.tv/home?broadcast=true but on my actual stream channel at http://www.justin.tv/jw232 (just an example) it's delayed by a few seconds. Is this normal?
Yes. A few seconds is what is takes the data to reach Twitch.tv and return to your browser. Perfectly normal and cannot be changed (to be specific, you can prolong the delay, but not shorten it).
On December 01 2011 02:53 jw232 wrote: I notice some streams have video quality options like 240p, 360p, 480p, Best, but mine doesn't. How do I get those options to appear?
When I updated it to the tier3, I'm getting this Notice pop up that just loads and sooner or later it says Navigation was cancelled...Refresh this page. I couldn't close notice and when I clicked refresh this page, it did nothing. Now I can't even use xsplit.
On December 04 2011 14:04 .kv wrote: I installed xsplit on my new comp that I got yesterday and when I try to install the broadcast plugin for Justin.tv/twitch.tv I get this error when trying to add the channel: Content was blocked because it was not signed by a valid security certificate. For more information, see "About Certificate Errors" in Internet Explorer Help. I looked for the answer but can't really find the solution
I can't help you either. Remember if you're still on the tier3 version, these sort of things might happen. Try re-installing to latest released version :/ It might be a temporary problem if they are updating their certificates or something.
On December 11 2011 08:17 Alejandrisha wrote: Intel Core i5 @2.53ghz ATI (mobility?) radeon hd 5800 series 4x1gb quad core ram windows 7 sc2 settings all set to low or off.
school net gets me 40.53/22.35 so that's not an issue
i've been getting really bad spikes in fights and sometimes constantly throughout the game while streaming.
currently i'm streaming at 700kbps on qual 6 and 1280x720 res
is it purely a graphics card or ram issue? i'd really like to stream more but my game lags really badly. thanks!
streaming relies very much on your CPU and not so much your graphics card. Your ram should be fine. Trying streaming 854*480 quality 5. If you can play that you can up the quality from there. As far as streaming 720p if your on a laptop assuming thats actually a mobility card you won't get more than 480p out of your computer. There are other things you can do such as this dxtory program... Use the search function for that thread.
Intel Core i5 @2.53ghz ATI (mobility?) radeon hd 5800 series 4x1gb quad core ram windows 7 sc2 settings all set to low or off.
school net gets me 40.53/22.35 so that's not an issue
i've been getting really bad spikes in fights and sometimes constantly throughout the game while streaming.
currently i'm streaming at 700kbps on qual 6 and 1280x720 res
is it purely a graphics card or ram issue? i'd really like to stream more but my game lags really badly. thanks!
streaming relies very much on your CPU and not so much your graphics card. Your ram should be fine. Trying streaming 854*480 quality 5. If you can play that you can up the quality from there. As far as streaming 720p if your on a laptop assuming thats actually a mobility card you won't get more than 480p out of your computer. There are other things you can do such as this dxtory program... Use the search function for that thread.
Thanks for helping me out! I switched the res and qual for now. Should I increase the bit rate because as you said, the issue is coming from cpu rather than upload rate? thx again!!
On December 11 2011 08:39 Alejandrisha wrote: Should I increase the bit rate because as you said, the issue is coming from cpu rather than upload rate?
What does your CPU usage tell you? Is your CPU maxed when the spikes occurs (look at individual cores)?
On December 11 2011 08:39 Alejandrisha wrote: Should I increase the bit rate because as you said, the issue is coming from cpu rather than upload rate?
What does your CPU usage tell you? Is your CPU maxed when the spikes occurs (look at individual cores)?
that's something i should be monitoring; you are absolutely right. i will check that out when i stream from now on so i can help you kind folks assess the sitch
On December 11 2011 11:04 Alejandrisha wrote: that's something i should be monitoring; you are absolutely right. i will check that out when i stream from now on so i can help you kind folks assess the sitch
You can also test this by making an offline recording with XSplit. Do a 'local recording' rather than turn on the stream. If the recording looks fine, your stream issues are network related. (Source: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f3r7) I know there's a negligible added cpu load when uploading the stream, but the above is still a valid test.
Your bitrate for an average 720p stream should ideally be around 1800 kbps (it's not an exact number though - different factors can influence it in both directions). (Source: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/faq.php#f3r5)
On February 23 2011 02:29 After7days wrote: i did a quick test of 300 for a buddy of my. http://www.justin.tv/after7days/b/280139349 it looked okay smooth. thats in medium for starcraft 2, quality 6 with 300up and 800x600
and regarding slayth most do what we can to get as smooth a stream in the best quality and ofc your pc matters
On February 26 2011 06:31 AnAngryDingo wrote: awesome guide, very easy to setup, i just had 2 questions firstly, here is a link to the VoD in question:
1. the sound is very "tinny" anyone know why that is and how to fix it? 2. the tops and bottom of the screens are cutoff
i am inputting in 1280x720 and outputting in 640x360
settings are as follows
max bitrate- 185 kbps (i know very low, my UL is only around 375 kbps and its the only way i can get it to where there is no input lag) buffer size- 370 audio encoding: 44.100 khz 16 bit stereo bitrate- 112000
thanks to anyone who took the time to help!
Hey After7Days and AnAngryDino, I was looking at the videos you guys posted and they all seemed clearer than my stream that I've been trying to work out. My internet at home is also pretty poor, 0.37 mbps upload, and yet I see that you guys seem to be running pretty decent looking streams. I was wondering perhaps if you could give me some tips or maybe send me a list of your full settings? If anyone else has any suggestions that would be awesome too! Here are my specs.
Intel i5-2400 Radeon HD 4850 8 GB RAM 1333 MHz Windows 7 3 Mbps down, 0.37 Mbps up
Screen Region: 1680x1050 Frames Per Second: Between 15-20 (I've tried both, trying to determine if increasing to 20 fps affects amount of lag I get while streaming (I lag quite a bit when I stream at 350 kbps)) Resolution: 640x400 Location: Main Origin Cluster Preset: Slower Quality: 6 Max Bitrate: 300-350 kbps Buffer: 300-350 kbps Audio: 22.050 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000
On February 23 2011 02:29 After7days wrote: i did a quick test of 300 for a buddy of my. http://www.justin.tv/after7days/b/280139349 it looked okay smooth. thats in medium for starcraft 2, quality 6 with 300up and 800x600
and regarding slayth most do what we can to get as smooth a stream in the best quality and ofc your pc matters
On February 26 2011 06:31 AnAngryDingo wrote: awesome guide, very easy to setup, i just had 2 questions firstly, here is a link to the VoD in question:
1. the sound is very "tinny" anyone know why that is and how to fix it? 2. the tops and bottom of the screens are cutoff
i am inputting in 1280x720 and outputting in 640x360
settings are as follows
max bitrate- 185 kbps (i know very low, my UL is only around 375 kbps and its the only way i can get it to where there is no input lag) buffer size- 370 audio encoding: 44.100 khz 16 bit stereo bitrate- 112000
thanks to anyone who took the time to help!
Hey After7Days and AnAngryDino, I was looking at the videos you guys posted and they all seemed clearer than my stream that I've been trying to work out. My internet at home is also pretty poor, 0.37 mbps upload, and yet I see that you guys seem to be running pretty decent looking streams. I was wondering perhaps if you could give me some tips or maybe send me a list of your full settings? If anyone else has any suggestions that would be awesome too! Here are my specs.
Intel i5-2400 Radeon HD 4850 8 GB RAM 1333 MHz Windows 7 3 Mbps down, 0.37 Mbps up
Screen Region: 1680x1050 Frames Per Second: Between 15-20 (I've tried both, trying to determine if increasing to 20 fps affects amount of lag I get while streaming (I lag quite a bit when I stream at 350 kbps)) Resolution: 640x400 Location: Main Origin Cluster Preset: Slower Quality: 6 Max Bitrate: 300-350 kbps Buffer: 300-350 kbps Audio: 22.050 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000
You have 370kbits upload, yet you are dedicating 350(video)+64(audio) to the stream, you dont have enough bandwidth to sustain that, and that is before the extra room you need for running whatever game traffic you need, and before accounting for potential spikes in xsplit output. Keep the audio setting as it is, but drop video to ~200 vbv max bitrate and buffer, and see how it runs. Dont expect any kind of watchable quality, and make sure to monitor CPU to make sure none of your cores are maxing out. If they are, go to a faster preset and try again.
If by lag you mean running smoothly but your actions have a delay, units take a while to move after you tell them to move, etc, then you will just have to drop bitrate further. Low or spiky framerate will be CPU based and is a seperate issue.
You really cant stream with that upload, as you need to dedicate a notable chunk of it to the game, and to audio, there is just not enough bandwidth for everything... I have ~0.8mbits upload and a relatively heavily overclocked i7 with a good understanding of how xsplit runs and how stuff works in general, and i generally dont stream because it is hard to deliver something that people would be satisfied watching, so its probably best if you just give up on streaming with less than ~1mbit up, if you want to try, go ahead, but dont expect any results
On February 23 2011 02:29 After7days wrote: i did a quick test of 300 for a buddy of my. http://www.justin.tv/after7days/b/280139349 it looked okay smooth. thats in medium for starcraft 2, quality 6 with 300up and 800x600
and regarding slayth most do what we can to get as smooth a stream in the best quality and ofc your pc matters
On February 26 2011 06:31 AnAngryDingo wrote: awesome guide, very easy to setup, i just had 2 questions firstly, here is a link to the VoD in question:
1. the sound is very "tinny" anyone know why that is and how to fix it? 2. the tops and bottom of the screens are cutoff
i am inputting in 1280x720 and outputting in 640x360
settings are as follows
max bitrate- 185 kbps (i know very low, my UL is only around 375 kbps and its the only way i can get it to where there is no input lag) buffer size- 370 audio encoding: 44.100 khz 16 bit stereo bitrate- 112000
thanks to anyone who took the time to help!
Hey After7Days and AnAngryDino, I was looking at the videos you guys posted and they all seemed clearer than my stream that I've been trying to work out. My internet at home is also pretty poor, 0.37 mbps upload, and yet I see that you guys seem to be running pretty decent looking streams. I was wondering perhaps if you could give me some tips or maybe send me a list of your full settings? If anyone else has any suggestions that would be awesome too! Here are my specs.
Intel i5-2400 Radeon HD 4850 8 GB RAM 1333 MHz Windows 7 3 Mbps down, 0.37 Mbps up
Screen Region: 1680x1050 Frames Per Second: Between 15-20 (I've tried both, trying to determine if increasing to 20 fps affects amount of lag I get while streaming (I lag quite a bit when I stream at 350 kbps)) Resolution: 640x400 Location: Main Origin Cluster Preset: Slower Quality: 6 Max Bitrate: 300-350 kbps Buffer: 300-350 kbps Audio: 22.050 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000
You have 370kbits upload, yet you are dedicating 350(video)+64(audio) to the stream, you dont have enough bandwidth to sustain that, and that is before the extra room you need for running whatever game traffic you need, and before accounting for potential spikes in xsplit output. Keep the audio setting as it is, but drop video to ~200 vbv max bitrate and buffer, and see how it runs. Dont expect any kind of watchable quality, and make sure to monitor CPU to make sure none of your cores are maxing out. If they are, go to a faster preset and try again.
If by lag you mean running smoothly but your actions have a delay, units take a while to move after you tell them to move, etc, then you will just have to drop bitrate further. Low or spiky framerate will be CPU based and is a seperate issue.
You really cant stream with that upload, as you need to dedicate a notable chunk of it to the game, and to audio, there is just not enough bandwidth for everything... I have ~0.8mbits upload and a relatively heavily overclocked i7 with a good understanding of how xsplit runs and how stuff works in general, and i generally dont stream because it is hard to deliver something that people would be satisfied watching, so its probably best if you just give up on streaming with less than ~1mbit up, if you want to try, go ahead, but dont expect any results
Hey, thanks for the response. Yeah, I think I will drop it to like 300 kbps. Below that, as you said, is pretty unwatchable. And yeah, everything runs smoothly and my cores are at like 50-60% I think, it's jsut that actions have delay every now and then and it can really affect my playing. I just find it weird that some people have done a stream at 185 kbps (AnAngryDino) and it seems just as watchable as mine at 350 kbps.
Forgot to give an example of how my stream looks atm, at www.twitch.tv/superiorwolf if you're interested. The game on low quality was a test at 285 kbps, the rest are mostly at 350 kbps.
***Actually getting about .42 - .43 kbps upload now on speedtest. Though it's nighttime lol.
On December 16 2011 18:54 Superiorwolf wrote: [...] a) it's jsut that actions have delay every now and then and it can really affect my playing. b) I just find it weird that some people have done a stream at 185 kbps (AnAngryDino) and it seems just as watchable as mine at 350 kbps.
Hey, Ad a) You should definitely look at the DXtory guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764), as this specifically addresses streaming at low bandwidth and that will also help remove some of the input you're mentioning.
Ad b) Well, it is hard to compare quality, and you are streaming a 400p whereas he does a 360p. So just keep tweaking. I'd recommend you spend your free cpu resources by trying to lower the preset from default to "faster" - keep a close eye on each core of the cpu. Preferably they must not be maxed, but if you can do this, your overall image quality will increase as well as use less bandwidth due to the better compression in the preset.
I'm about to buy a new CPU and it mostly for streaming and gaming in general but i need advice... I was going for an Intel i5 2500k but a friend of mine said that i should buy a AMD Phenom 2 1100T X6 instead because i would get more for the money. But i know that he is good with computers and such but maybe he's not that experienced with streaming games and such so maybe you guys could give me your opinion as well. My thought was that i could dedicate a few cores just for the stream and play on the other cores, but yeah you are much more experienced than me so give me some advice please
The components i would run along that CPU are: Geforce 560TI GTX 8GB RAM Intel SSD 320 120GB 100/10Mbit connection
On December 18 2011 20:27 poofie wrote: I'm about to buy a new CPU and it mostly for streaming and gaming in general but i need advice... I was going for an Intel i5 2500k but a friend of mine said that i should buy a AMD Phenom 2 1100T X6 instead because i would get more for the money. But i know that he is good with computers and such but maybe he's not that experienced with streaming games and such so maybe you guys could give me your opinion as well. My thought was that i could dedicate a few cores just for the stream and play on the other cores, but yeah you are much more experienced than me so give me some advice please
The components i would run along that CPU are: Geforce 560TI GTX 8GB RAM Intel SSD 320 120GB 100/10Mbit connection
For HQ streaming you want the best CPU you can get. With your internet you could easily do a 1080p stream, and if you want to do that, even 10% more cpu power will be helpful. I won't go into a value for money discussion (it's off topic) but the i5 2500k has more power. You can do a rough comparison of the two cpu's here (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php). I you have the money and want to stream often, I'd recommend the i5 2500k.
my problem is when i move around i get that brickly effect and i dunno how to fix it, i guess i cant untill i get faster upload but i just wanted to know if thats the case or something wrong with my settings.
My res is set to 1280x720 fps 25 because i found lowering it didnt help, my quality is set to 10, again lowing it didnt help and my VBV is set to 600, i upded it to as much as 900 in different tests and it still has not fixed my issue
. I have spent alot of time trying different settings etc and i still cant seem to get rid of the brick effect, its fine on local recording so that makes me think i cant fix it unless i get faster upload on my internet.
You can play on ultra and stream on ultra no problem, if your running stock 2500k I guess when you get more upload you can probably stream 1080p depending on how fast your new upload is.
So to sum it all up your held back by your upload. You might be able to get a 1080p stream out of your pc but not sure how good it will be considering everyone that runs an actual 1080p stream above 4.5mbps have their pcs overclocked to 4.5ghz +
On December 21 2011 17:46 Boblhead wrote: if your running stock 2500k I guess when you get more upload you can probably stream 1080p depending on how fast your new upload is.
Actually, the preset might be able to help him here. Pad, what have you set this at? Your CPU allows for a slower than 'default' preset which will help with the pixelation as well as narrow the bandwidth needed, thus giving you overall better quality.
On December 21 2011 17:46 Boblhead wrote: considering everyone that runs an actual 1080p stream above 4.5mbps have their pcs overclocked to 4.5ghz +
I disagree. I run a decent 1080p SC2 stream at 4000 kbps on a i7 920@stock.
AMD Phenom II 955 Radeon HD 4890 8 GB RAM 166 MHz Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 5 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up
Screen Region 1920x1080 Frames Per Second: 30 Resolution: 1280x720 Location: London Primary Preset: Faster Quality: 5 Max Bitrate: 1000 kbps Buffer: 2000 Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 112000
My problem is that as soon as I start streaming/recording, xsplit + the record process (v something) takes up 100% of my CPU. I have no idea why, lowering FPS/resolution does not change this.
On December 21 2011 17:46 Boblhead wrote: if your running stock 2500k I guess when you get more upload you can probably stream 1080p depending on how fast your new upload is.
Actually, the preset might be able to help him here. Pad, what have you set this at? Your CPU allows for a slower than 'default' preset which will help with the pixelation as well as narrow the bandwidth needed, thus giving you overall better quality.
On December 21 2011 22:25 Nikentic wrote: AMD Phenom II 955 Radeon HD 4890 8 GB RAM 166 MHz Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 5 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up
Screen Region 1920x1080 Frames Per Second: 30 Resolution: 1280x720 Location: London Primary Preset: Faster Quality: 5 Max Bitrate: 1000 kbps Buffer: 2000 Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 112000
My problem is that as soon as I start streaming/recording, xsplit + the record process (v something) takes up 100% of my CPU. I have no idea why, lowering FPS/resolution does not change this.
You have set the preset to 'faster'. This is hard for the cpu. Your cpu is decent for a 720p, but you can't do that much. Set it back to 'default' (which is 'veryfast').
General advice: You should probably increase your bitrate from 1000 to 2300-2500 if you can get that speed to the server (test it using the 'bandwidth test'). Keep the buffer in the same range. I would also set quality to 7 or 8. Finally have a look at DXTory if you want to improve input lag and ingame fps - your cpu will thank you for it.
On December 22 2011 03:20 Nikentic wrote: Streaming games like SC2 and terraria would be the major usage of it. 720pwith good bitrate is to prefer. I will have 100/100
Yeah no problem at all then. For specific tips on XSplit settings, open this thread (all posts) and search for you new cpu - there are multiple posts with information to use
Having FPS problems with xsplit. I'm able to play sc2 and WoW on the best settings at over 100 fps but when turning on xsplit(not the stream)my fps drops to below 30. Here is a example
On December 23 2011 16:31 starheroz2 wrote: Having FPS problems with xsplit. I'm able to play sc2 and WoW on the best settings at over 100 fps but when turning on xsplit(not the stream)my fps drops to below 30. Here is a example http://www.twitch.tv/starheroz/b/303389566 My system specs. i7 920/ati 5870/6 gig ram/SSD
xsplit settings preset&ex:crf:23 quality: not set bitrate/buffer: 4500/4500
The FPS drop is a common thing with Xsplit (it happens for almost everyone). My best advice is to use DXtory for screen capturing in stead of what Xsplit comes with. See this guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764).
However from watching the VOD I'm pretty sure that you're CPU-capped as well. The kind of lag the VOD shows, indicates either that or your upload is not able to keep up. Are you OC'ing your cpu? Judging from my own hardware you're really pushing it to stream 1080p and keeping FPS at 30+.
I'm almost sure it's a typo, but your custom settings string is incomplete. Even for using the default preset. Finally what FPS are you streaming at?
I used to stream from my Laptop for some time (used xsplit and it worked fine) but ever since switching to my desktop I keep having huge problems with setting up the audio part.
I simply cannot get Microphone+Windows sound to work together at the same time.
In my sound properties I can select "HD Audio rear output" for playback and "HD Audio rear input" for recording. Nothing else. In the VAC Audio repeater I can select between "Microsoft Soundmapper" and "HD Audio rear input". In XSplit however, I only have the option "HD Audio rear input" and "None" for the Microphone.
When I doubleclick my volume settings in the bottom right on my desktop I can a) turn microphone on and have microphone sound going or b) turn on stereomix and have my normal sound going. However, it's impossible as of this moment to have both running at the same time. Since this option actually influences the whole "HD Audio rear input" I can't even set up VAC to join the Mic+the Steroemix together into one channel (that's what I did on my Laptop).
tl;dr: I'm at a loss and think I'm missing something insanely obvious. >_<
You can try going into sound, recording tab, right click on your microphone etc and click on "listen to this device" under the listen tab to try and get it to play through stereo mix, i always have this on, and it always worked fine for me with xsplit
On December 23 2011 16:31 starheroz2 wrote: Having FPS problems with xsplit. I'm able to play sc2 and WoW on the best settings at over 100 fps but when turning on xsplit(not the stream)my fps drops to below 30. Here is a example http://www.twitch.tv/starheroz/b/303389566 My system specs. i7 920/ati 5870/6 gig ram/SSD
xsplit settings preset&ex:crf:23 quality: not set bitrate/buffer: 4500/4500
The FPS drop is a common thing with Xsplit (it happens for almost everyone). My best advice is to use DXtory for screen capturing in stead of what Xsplit comes with. See this guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764).
However from watching the VOD I'm pretty sure that you're CPU-capped as well. The kind of lag the VOD shows, indicates either that or your upload is not able to keep up. Are you OC'ing your cpu? Judging from my own hardware you're really pushing it to stream 1080p and keeping FPS at 30+.
I'm almost sure it's a typo, but your custom settings string is incomplete. Even for using the default preset. Finally what FPS are you streaming at?
I fixed the issue. As for the upload issue
No my cpu isnt OC and its only taking around 41%. As for the fps. I was streaming at 24 in that vod , now I'm able to stream at 30 fps and maintain my 100+ fps ingame.
I simply cannot get Microphone+Windows sound to work together at the same time.
In my sound properties I can select "HD Audio rear output" for playback and "HD Audio rear input" for recording. Nothing else. In the VAC Audio repeater I can select between "Microsoft Soundmapper" and "HD Audio rear input". In XSplit however, I only have the option "HD Audio rear input" and "None" for the Microphone. TL halp! =S
First, like Cyro suggested, please check your drivers.
I'd like to know your motherboard and what microphone you're using. XSplit is known to miss a lot of USB-attached mic's (from USB headsets and the like). Also, there have been an increase of "audio-related" cases on the XSplit forums lately - I'm not sure what's going on.
That said, the best place to get help on the matter really is the XSplit forums. The developers are quite active and monitors threads -just in case this is a case of incompatible hardware. Since there really are no settings for detecting audio sources (it should be plug'n'play), we can't suggest much else than to contact Xsplit.
My USB mic works fine, though i am "listening" to it through windows as i said and if i unmute mic in xsplit i hear it twice with a very very slightly delay on one set of audio
Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit:
Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 Asus P8P67 Motherboard 8168 MB Corsair RAM Samsung SyncMaster 2343nw 2048x1152 Monitor or or I used these servers because JTV got an "Frankfurt Primary" and "Amsterdam" Server which is very near where i live.But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time.
So i downloaded xsplit before, but then i got a virus and had to do a system restore to before i had xsplit. Whenever I try to download xsplit now It gives me an error and it wont let me download it. I think that when i system restored it left some files of xsplit on the computer but i cant find them to delete them and i have ran multiple junk files locators. Here's a picture of the message if it helps any: http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/iWiSHiWASGUD/errormessageyea.png Any suggestions whatsoever would be appreciated
Im trying to get my stream working but it seem to just stutter with whatever i do. Can i get a lil help and see what i need to change on things.
AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor 2.50 GHz 6.00 GB Ram Windows 7 64x My main monitor resolution is 1920x1200
Here are Xsplit Settings:
FPS: 20 ( Have tried on everything from 15 to 60) Preset: Default Quality: 7 ( Have tried on everything from 5-10) Max Bitrate: 1500 kbps Buffer: 3000 kbps Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000 Output Resolution: 1280x720 (HDTV)
If i lower the resolution, the quality is very crappy, everything is blurry. But still stream stutters. I also have Xsplit set to only use 2 core to help keep my CPU from maxing out at 100%. But even when i had it using all 4, and it would get to about 85-90% it would still stutter.
Thanks in advance for all the help. Really need to get this stream up and going. Thanks.
On December 28 2011 04:34 some1aprotoss wrote: So i downloaded xsplit before, but then i got a virus and had to do a system restore to before i had xsplit. Whenever I try to download xsplit now It gives me an error and it wont let me download it. I think that when i system restored it left some files of xsplit on the computer but i cant find them to delete them and i have ran multiple junk files locators. Here's a picture of the message if it helps any: http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g476/iWiSHiWASGUD/errormessageyea.png Any suggestions whatsoever would be appreciated
Manually deleting the files that are already on your computer. Find splitmedialabs folder to where ever you installed xsplit the first time, and delete it. Then download it again. If you keep getting the error, goto the xsplit website and see if anyone else has a problem and if the admins/techs have solved it.
Im trying to get my stream working but it seem to just stutter with whatever i do. Can i get a lil help and see what i need to change on things.
AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor 2.50 GHz 6.00 GB Ram Windows 7 64x My main monitor resolution is 1920x1200
Here are Xsplit Settings:
FPS: 20 ( Have tried on everything from 15 to 60) Preset: Default Quality: 7 ( Have tried on everything from 5-10) Max Bitrate: 1500 kbps Buffer: 3000 kbps Audio: 44.100 KHz 16 bit stereo Bitrate: 64000 Output Resolution: 1280x720 (HDTV)
If i lower the resolution, the quality is very crappy, everything is blurry. But still stream stutters. I also have Xsplit set to only use 2 core to help keep my CPU from maxing out at 100%. But even when i had it using all 4, and it would get to about 85-90% it would still stutter.
Thanks in advance for all the help. Really need to get this stream up and going. Thanks.
2.5ghz on a quad core for streaming is cutting it pretty slim. you have very little room to work with. I would recommend you use a lower resolution. 360-480p, if that doesnt work you can try to use the Dxtory method *costs money*. If that doesn't work I'm afraid your out of luck. Seeing as your xsplit is making your 2 cores run @ 85-90%. Usually for streams its best that the processor stays under 75% if it goes past that it causes lag problems.
Phenom is a weak CPU by today's standards, you wont be able to run smoothly on default settings at 1280x720 20fps i think. The issue isn't really with clock speed (a 2600k at 2.5ghz would do far far better) but more with it being an older CPU generation that is less powerful at the same frequency, as well as being lower frequency. Move to a faster preset in xsplit channel settings (not "faster" specifically, but one less slow than the default) and keep trying, monitor CPU usage etc. Running with a faster preset will greatly decrease CPU usage at the cost of compression, and require you to stream at a higher bitrate for the same quality, but you don't really have a choice, if you hit 100% CPU on a core xsplit or sc2 is using during streaming you will drop frames in game or on the stream which is far worse than streaming at slightly worse quality. Note that the task manager "CPU Usage" bar doesn't really matter, if you hit 100% on any individual core during a high stress period (200/200 battle with ff's, storms etc) or worse, during general play, you will have those issues. Also keep in mind that framerate will increase CPU usage almost linearly, so get the FPS you want (24 is a good target) before you start messing around with presets and CPU.
I set core affinity in task manager for streaming and i would recommend it in this case (2 cores sc2, 2 xsplit), as it means that you can balance out xsplit settings without having SC2 use CPU resources that were available to xsplit when you was tuning settings etc, it makes for a more consistent testing environment.
Drop your screen resolution to 1920x1080, not 1200, because it allows you to see more in starcraft because of the way camera scaling works, but more importantly, is the same aspect ratio as 1280x720. You will get quality degradation or a weird crushed/stretched image if you try to scale across aspect ratios.
You might want to use 960x540 (1:2 downscale of 1920x1080) as your resolution in xsplit, as it will be scaled into slightly better than 1280x720 and use a notable amount less CPU if you are struggling to run, but it doesnt really matter that much. I just use it because i have less upload.
You can probably increase bitrate to like 3.5k with 5mbits up, too, that will help a ton. I can stream and play while on skype with less than 100kbits upload not allocated to xsplit and i very rarely drop frames with that (like 10 every 100k) but leaving a bigger margin is better if you actuly have decent upload bandwidth (i have like 750kbits, but a good CPU setup)
Phenom is a weak CPU by today's standards, you wont be able to run smoothly on default settings at 1280x720 20fps i think. The issue isn't really with clock speed (a 2600k at 2.5ghz would do far far better) but more with it being an older CPU generation that is less powerful at the same frequency, as well as being lower frequency. Move to a faster preset in xsplit channel settings (not "faster" specifically, but one less slow than the default) and keep trying, monitor CPU usage etc. Running with a faster preset will greatly decrease CPU usage at the cost of compression, and require you to stream at a higher bitrate for the same quality, but you don't really have a choice, if you hit 100% CPU on a core xsplit or sc2 is using during streaming you will drop frames in game or on the stream which is far worse than streaming at slightly worse quality. Note that the task manager "CPU Usage" bar doesn't really matter, if you hit 100% on any individual core during a high stress period (200/200 battle with ff's, storms etc) or worse, during general play, you will have those issues. Also keep in mind that framerate will increase CPU usage almost linearly, so get the FPS you want (24 is a good target) before you start messing around with presets and CPU.
I set core affinity in task manager for streaming and i would recommend it in this case (2 cores sc2, 2 xsplit), as it means that you can balance out xsplit settings without having SC2 use CPU resources that were available to xsplit when you was tuning settings etc, it makes for a more consistent testing environment.
Drop your screen resolution to 1920x1080, not 1200, because it allows you to see more in starcraft because of the way camera scaling works, but more importantly, is the same aspect ratio as 1280x720. You will get quality degradation or a weird crushed/stretched image if you try to scale across aspect ratios.
You might want to use 960x540 (1:2 downscale of 1920x1080) as your resolution in xsplit, as it will be scaled into slightly better than 1280x720 and use a notable amount less CPU if you are struggling to run, but it doesnt really matter that much. I just use it because i have less upload.
You can probably increase bitrate to like 3.5k with 5mbits up, too, that will help a ton. I can stream and play while on skype with less than 100kbits upload not allocated to xsplit and i very rarely drop frames with that (like 10 every 100k) but leaving a bigger margin is better if you actuly have decent upload bandwidth (i have like 750kbits, but a good CPU setup)
he has xsplit set to 2 cores, and its still 85-90% usage
On December 29 2011 05:24 Boblhead wrote:he has xsplit set to 2 cores, and its still 85-90% usage
Actually, the 85-90% usage was when he used all 4 cores. From his post, I'd deduce that he claims to use less than that after he set it to two cores only. It won't change much though. He is still cpu capped and needs to lower his stream ambitions. Nothing wrong with what Cyro wrote imo.
Phenom is a weak CPU by today's standards, you wont be able to run smoothly on default settings at 1280x720 20fps i think. The issue isn't really with clock speed (a 2600k at 2.5ghz would do far far better) but more with it being an older CPU generation that is less powerful at the same frequency, as well as being lower frequency. Move to a faster preset in xsplit channel settings (not "faster" specifically, but one less slow than the default) and keep trying, monitor CPU usage etc. Running with a faster preset will greatly decrease CPU usage at the cost of compression, and require you to stream at a higher bitrate for the same quality, but you don't really have a choice, if you hit 100% CPU on a core xsplit or sc2 is using during streaming you will drop frames in game or on the stream which is far worse than streaming at slightly worse quality. Note that the task manager "CPU Usage" bar doesn't really matter, if you hit 100% on any individual core during a high stress period (200/200 battle with ff's, storms etc) or worse, during general play, you will have those issues. Also keep in mind that framerate will increase CPU usage almost linearly, so get the FPS you want (24 is a good target) before you start messing around with presets and CPU.
I set core affinity in task manager for streaming and i would recommend it in this case (2 cores sc2, 2 xsplit), as it means that you can balance out xsplit settings without having SC2 use CPU resources that were available to xsplit when you was tuning settings etc, it makes for a more consistent testing environment.
Drop your screen resolution to 1920x1080, not 1200, because it allows you to see more in starcraft because of the way camera scaling works, but more importantly, is the same aspect ratio as 1280x720. You will get quality degradation or a weird crushed/stretched image if you try to scale across aspect ratios.
You might want to use 960x540 (1:2 downscale of 1920x1080) as your resolution in xsplit, as it will be scaled into slightly better than 1280x720 and use a notable amount less CPU if you are struggling to run, but it doesnt really matter that much. I just use it because i have less upload.
You can probably increase bitrate to like 3.5k with 5mbits up, too, that will help a ton. I can stream and play while on skype with less than 100kbits upload not allocated to xsplit and i very rarely drop frames with that (like 10 every 100k) but leaving a bigger margin is better if you actuly have decent upload bandwidth (i have like 750kbits, but a good CPU setup)
he has xsplit set to 2 cores, and its still 85-90% usage
Thats why i said use a faster preset... massive decrease to CPU requirements
When I start the program and have Starcraft 2 on at the same time, my SC2 tend to lag, I don't know why. Do you know how it might be fixed? When it changed to Windows Basic colour because of xsplit, the SC2 starts to lag. My computer is a 2K $ new computer and I got 24mb/sec, and it lags EVEN tho I havent STARTED to stream yet. Hm ?
On December 29 2011 23:05 Duggibobo wrote: When I start the program and have Starcraft 2 on at the same time, my SC2 tend to lag, I don't know why. Do you know how it might be fixed? When it changed to Windows Basic colour because of xsplit, the SC2 starts to lag. My computer is a 2K $ new computer and I got 24mb/sec, and it lags EVEN tho I havent STARTED to stream yet. Hm ?
On December 29 2011 23:05 Duggibobo wrote: When I start the program and have Starcraft 2 on at the same time, my SC2 tend to lag,. Do you know how it might be fixed? [...] and it lags EVEN tho I havent STARTED to stream yet. Hm ?
It's perfectly normal to loose some FPS when running XSplit (even when not streaming) no matter what hardware you have. Then there's the issue of input lag. It hits most people, but some don't even notice it. At the moment the most effective solution to minimize the input lag is to use DXtory (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764). You can try it out for free (trial mode).
^^ In this particular situation (info is sparse, but $2K hardware+good internet) I disagree with you Cyro. Using a 3rd party capture driver will almost certainly allow for higher resolutions than Xsplit's own. While it will also help to reduce resolution, it's not a good solution compared to the alternative.
One thing, when you go to select channel for the first time using this and first time using JTV it won't show a channel or anything. I couldn't figure it out for a long time and I don't know if it's a problem a lot of other people have but all you need to do is go to JTV and hit "Go LIve" and then it creates a channel and then you go back to Xsplit and it should be there.
On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote: Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit:
Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 Asus P8P67 Motherboard 8168 MB Corsair RAM Samsung SyncMaster 2343nw 2048x1152 Monitor or or I used these servers because JTV got an "Frankfurt Primary" and "Amsterdam" Server which is very near where i live.But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time.
On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote: Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit:
Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time. Xsplit settings: http://imgur.com/M7P9o I use 1280x720 @30fps Hope you guys can help me!
Sorry mate, must have missed the post. You say you get lag ingame - are you referring to 'input lag' or 'fps drop'? (What is your min/max/avg. fps ingame?)
Since you get 'yellow light' from the bandwidth test, your upload can't keep up consistently. But the good news is that you really don't need 4 Mbps for a 720p@30fps, so try lowering it to 3.0 or 2.5 Mbps. This is not related to the ingame lag though. Though it could also be related to this problem: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701&hilit=bitrate&start=30
On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote: Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit:
Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time. Xsplit settings: http://imgur.com/M7P9o I use 1280x720 @30fps Hope you guys can help me!
Sorry mate, must have missed the post. You say you get lag ingame - are you referring to 'input lag' or 'fps drop'? (What is your min/max/avg. fps ingame?)
Since you get 'yellow light' from the bandwidth test, your upload can't keep up consistently. But the good news is that you really don't need 4 Mbps for a 720p@30fps, so try lowering it to 3.0 or 2.5 Mbps. This is not related to the ingame lag though. Though it could also be related to this problem: http://www.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3701&hilit=bitrate&start=30
Let us know how it turns out
Np mate, it seems it got a lot better now with Dxtory.I wonder why.First i had like 30 Fps ingame(sc2) and now with Dxtory my fps raised to 40-60fps steady.Now i want to try and get 1080p to work.What settings should i use on Xsplit/Dxtory with my rig?
And i think it is weird that i get yellow when i try the Bandwith tester, cause when i pick the same server on speedtest.net i get my full upload speed.
On December 31 2011 03:21 xXInsane10Xx wrote: a) Np mate, it seems it got a lot better now with Dxtory.I wonder why. b) First i had like 30 Fps ingame(sc2) and now with Dxtory my fps raised to 40-60fps steady. c) Now i want to try and get 1080p to work.What settings should i use on Xsplit/Dxtory with my rig? d) And i think it is weird that i get yellow when i try the Bandwith tester, cause when i pick the same server on speedtest.net i get my full upload speed.
a) DXtory is simply better at frame grabbing than XSplit is atm. b) Sounds right - that's the typical improvement in my experience c) Well, before you try out 1080p you need to make sure you have the bandwidth. But otherwise except raising the bitrate (~4-5 Mbps) just use the same settings to begin with. Watch your cpu usage on each core as well as any frame drops in XSplit title bar. d) Well, if you think about it, you're not streaming to the speedtest server. Even though they are located in the vicinity of each other, doesn't mean you get the same speed to both. And yellow just means that you get between 96% and 97% of the bandwidth you aim for, so it's a pretty small margin. If you feel like it, you could stream with that fine, but there probably will be an occasional lag spike for the viewer.
Hey guys, just a small question...does changing the "location" for Justin.TV help with stream quality? Should I just have it set to Main Origin Cluster, or change it to the closest location to where I live?
On January 01 2012 07:14 Scila wrote: Hey guys, just a small question...does changing the "location" for Justin.TV help with stream quality? Should I just have it set to Main Origin Cluster, or change it to the closest location to where I live? Thanks.
That setting will not affect quality directly. It is simply the destination for which your stream are sent to. Choosing a geographic close location will some times result in higher available upload speeds due to the shorter distance and less amounts of possible congestion points. Having a higher upload speed available could be used to up the bitrate and thus improve the quality. Especially if your upload speed isn't too great, shortening the distance will more than likely help.
If you use the default setting, it will just choose one of the servers for you. Which one, I don't know. It could be random, it could be by current load or it could be by using geo-location on your IP address. In any case I recommend choosing the server, rather than letting it be chosen.
Fun fact: In the newest version Xsplit the server list for Twitch.tv is updated each time you change a setting in the channel settings, so check the list from time to time to see if closer servers are available.
Just want to add the thing about Dxtory, it makes everything so much smoother, atleast for most people. For myself I can't stream without it because I get massive frame drops when I use it, I also get massive framedrops when my game is "windowed", even windowed fullscreen so I'm pretty limited to using fullscreen.
Also want to add that View-> view scaleport-> actual, makes the fps drop even less, I don't know why and it doesnt make any sense, but having a fullscreen xsplit make your game lagg less, you can also put it to 10% which is better than the standard 80% view.
If anyone got any suggestion how I can fix the lagg when I got windowed mode I would appriciate it.
My system: GPU: ATI radeon 5800 CPU: I7 860 @ 2.8ghz RAM: 4gig, kinda low thinking of getting another 4gig
I run my xsplit at 1920 reso and same with dxtory, basicly my computer doesnt feel any difference if I go for 1920x1080 or 1280x720, just that whenever I use windowed I get immense fps lagg, it's the same if I use the screen region capture, instead of dxtory. Is it because of my low ram or?
On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote: Also want to add that View-> view scaleport-> actual, makes the fps drop even less, I don't know why and it doesnt make any sense, but having a fullscreen xsplit make your game lagg less, you can also put it to 10% which is better than the standard 80% view.
I would be careful to conclude anything based on (I'm assuming) one observation. I know for a fact that people have varying results when it comes to selecting viewport scale, minimizing xsplit, disabling Aero manually/automatically - it just doesn't work out the same way for everyone
On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote: I also get massive framedrops when my game is "windowed", even windowed fullscreen so I'm pretty limited to using fullscreen. If anyone got any suggestion how I can fix the lagg when I got windowed mode I would appriciate it. I run my xsplit at 1920 reso and same with dxtory, basicly my computer doesnt feel any difference if I go for 1920x1080 or 1280x720, just that whenever I use windowed I get immense fps lagg, it's the same if I use the screen region capture, instead of dxtory.
First off, if you get better results running in true fullscreen using dxtory, why not just stay that way? You will take a (varying) performance hit using windowed modes, but for me personally it's not a significant drop - however my cpu is an i7 920. Based on what I'm able to achieve with it, I'd say you're aiming high with 1080p. Could you put some numbers to the "massive framedrops" - also post info on cpu usage (look at individual cores as well) while streaming a really intense replay/game.
On January 03 2012 02:33 dofz wrote: Is it because of my low ram or?
On January 03 2012 03:39 JoeAWESOME wrote: How important is RAM when it comes to streaming? I'm thinking about adding some RAM as I only got 4gb atm
RAM is not very important when it comes to live streaming. Adding more will not allow for higher resolutions or higher quality per se, but it can allow for running more stuff simultaneously without a performance hit. However, I can't give a conclusive answer as it relies heavily on usage patterns, ie. if you like to have 100+ tabs open in your browser.
Thanks for the response, I'll post some more info tomorrow, but I still somehow there might be something "special" with my cpu or gpu, my friend which has a similar system just invida gpu can use the screenregion capture, yet it's impossible for me as it makes microing anything extremely hard. I'll try to post something more useful tomorrow.
As for the viewscale port a few other friends reported the same, they had less lag when they used "actual" as the setting, which I can't seem to grasp why as that should put more of a strain due to more detailed, or is the decrompressing taking up this much? Also a quick question, does your HD matter anything at all when just broadcasting, not recording?
On January 03 2012 12:45 dofz wrote: a) I still somehow there might be something "special" with my cpu or gpu, my friend which has a similar system just invida gpu can use the screenregion capture, yet it's impossible for me as it makes microing anything extremely hard. b) As for the viewscale port a few other friends reported the same, they had less lag when they used "actual" as the setting, which I can't seem to grasp why as that should put more of a strain due to more detailed, or is the decrompressing taking up this much? c) Also a quick question, does your HD matter anything at all when just broadcasting, not recording?
a) Any info you can provide will be appreciated. I know for a fact that for SC2 both AMD/ATI and Nvidia are being hit on performance using screen regions, but my undocumented "scorecard" leaves Nvidia slightly less affected. I can't prove this though. b) It could be a lot of things, resizing/scaling the preview image takes (a few) cpu cycles, it could be a bug, but who knows but XSplit? I'll still say that minimizing the window should provide the same result I will try it too and see if I get any noticeable result c) No, if you disable local recording, it does not. The amount of data you're processing on disk is close to the stream bitrate, which is many times lower than the write speed of your hard drive.
Has anyone every had their internet suddenly just cut out while using Xsplit before? My internet has begun to constantly just disconnect me and every computer in my house since i started streaming the other day.. And really the only way to get it back up is to reset my modem ive been calling Bell (my internet provider) constantly and they cant seem to solve it, so im wondering if it has to do with Xsplit.
On January 04 2012 06:05 Inquisitor wrote: Has anyone every had their internet suddenly just cut out while using Xsplit before? My internet has begun to constantly just disconnect me and every computer in my house since i started streaming the other day.. And really the only way to get it back up is to reset my modem ive been calling Bell (my internet provider) constantly and they cant seem to solve it, so im wondering if it has to do with Xsplit.
I hardly think that is Xsplit's fault. At best it could be due to your modem/router crashing (~shutting down), due to the amount of traffic generated - but I do not believe XSplit is at fault. Try using FME, and if it keeps happening check router firmware or even bypass it.
in xsplit on windowed fullscreen on SC2 i get ~109 fps but for me that feels so laggy because im used to 170+ fps
is there any way to fix? I lowered my resolution and bitrates and whatnot and it is still just as choppy.
It records perfectly fine in fullscreen but i am one of those people who alt tab a lot to do other things mid game and I cant do that with fullscreen without the delay.
Any help appreciated.
EDIT!: omg i just noticed that i like instantly drop 30 fps as soon as i even open the xsplit program BEFORE i even try to broadcast. HELPPP!
On January 04 2012 16:51 InseKtSC2 wrote: hey guys im trying to start streaming again. in xsplit on windowed fullscreen on SC2 i get ~109 fps but for me that feels so laggy because im used to 170+ fps is there any way to fix? I lowered my resolution and bitrates and whatnot and it is still just as choppy. It records perfectly fine in fullscreen but i am one of those people who alt tab a lot to do other things mid game and I cant do that with fullscreen without the delay. Any help appreciated. EDIT!: omg i just noticed that i like instantly drop 30 fps as soon as i even open the xsplit program BEFORE i even try to broadcast. HELPPP!
The FPS drop is normal - it's just how XSplit works. However it is not lagging because you go from 170 to ~109. What you're experiencing is 'input lag'. Currently the best solution to fixing this is to use DXTory: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272764.
On January 07 2012 01:15 starheroz2 wrote: HellGreen, its Starheroz again. Just wanted to show what my final xsplit result look like. (I start playing at around 1 min) http://www.twitch.tv/starheroz/b/304678201 Can't wait to try these settings out in Sc2!
Looks awesome! :D Could you post your settings for others to see and be inspired by?
Having a strange problem with my stream... I've registered a new account, verified the email on both xsplit and jtv. But when i press broadcast on xsplit the stream goes live for 2-3 seconds and then goes offline again. Xsplit says it's still streaming though.
On January 10 2012 00:37 huggab0y wrote: Having a strange problem with my stream... I've registered a new account, verified the email on both xsplit and jtv. But when i press broadcast on xsplit the stream goes live for 2-3 seconds and then goes offline again. Xsplit says it's still streaming though. What am I doing wrong? Help appreciated
I have two suggestions. a) Go to your Justin.tv account page and press "Go live" in the upper right corner (http://www.justin.tv/home?broadcast=true) That sometimes "activates" your account b) It could also be due to using a non-existent broadcast server. Try selected a named server under locations.
If neither helps you need to contact Justiv.tv support - this is not a XSplit related issue
I have some great news fresh off the XSplit website.
As of today, all personal or premium XSplit users can take advantage of the new and much improved GameSource feature in XSplit. It now supports an ever growing list of DX9, DX10 and DX11 fullscreen and windowed fullscreen games. Performance for Starcraft 2 has been particularly improved since earlier versions. Please try out v1.0.1201.0504 (link).
Please take note of this statement:
As of today’s release Screen Capture is no longer the way to go for capturing and casting game play
Among other news it has also been stated that XSplit will appear in a free version after release, though limited:
Hereunder, we expect the limitations in the free version of XSplit to be: Watermark with XSplit brand logo ( EXCEPTION: Streaming to some selected gaming related partners sites will not produce watermark) Resolution and/or stream duration will be limited (specific limitation to be announced later) Audio encoding functionality will be limited to Speex audio codec Game Capture functions will NOT be available
im trying to stream on my pc on jtv, but im having problems with aligning my screen with the recording engine to the webpage screen. i want a full screen video not like the corner of my monitor...
On January 14 2012 07:40 FlyingToilet wrote: im trying to stream on my pc on jtv, but im having problems with aligning my screen with the recording engine to the webpage screen. i want a full screen video not like the corner of my monitor...
On January 14 2012 07:40 FlyingToilet wrote: im trying to stream on my pc on jtv, but im having problems with aligning my screen with the recording engine to the webpage screen. i want a full screen video not like the corner of my monitor...
On January 18 2012 01:51 YouMake wrote: Just a quick question, is my internet connection good enough to handle a stream and me actually playing without lagging for both?
Yeah, you should be just fine with a 2 Mbps - keep it at 720p or lower though.
Im having problems with recording the sound that comes from my speaker and my mic at the same time. I have no problems recording one or the other. Any advice?
On January 30 2012 03:29 Pusekatten wrote: Im having problems with recording the sound that comes from my speaker and my mic at the same time. I have no problems recording one or the other. Any advice?
You have to use software like Virtual Audio Cable.
On February 04 2012 07:30 Rainofpain wrote: When I get to the part to enter my channel information it tells me a problem has occured while authorizing my credentials.
Check if you can login on your streaming providers home page. If you can retry, or try resetting your password.
On February 05 2012 07:54 broke wrote: My in-game FPS drops to 25 (from like, 150) if I start streaming. This drop occurs if I stream anything over like 500x500 resolution. My computer is very good, so I don't know why this is. Any idea what I can do?
A frame drop is normal when streaming, but I can't tell if you have a problem without knowing more about your setup. What's your computer specs? 'Very good' can be anything Post your stream resolution, fps and channel settings also. As suggested by the above poster DXTory can help, but XSplit's own game capture method (GameSource) will also do the trick.
Thank you for the information. One tip I can give, is to just sit there and tweak your heart out. It took me a while ( weeks ) to get my stream like I like it ( Talking breaks because of exaution/frustration ) Every computer/internet connection is different, so figure out how each setting effects the outcome of the steam and tweak until you are satisfied. To be honest im still turning knobs and switches trying to push every thing to the limit for the best results. If you want to see how far I've gotten you chech out twitch under thirdEYEsix. Thanks agian for this useful information.
Trying to set up a stream of my own as well, but I am trying to tweak it to get the best possible quality and sustain decent fps as well. Anybody have suggestions on the settings i need to use with this type of Internet connection (yes i know its terrible, but its the best I can find around here that i know of)?
edit: I also drop from 60 fps in game to between 8 and 10 once I hit F12 to start recording. Any tricks or something I am doing wrong that might fix that. The only thing that got it to around 20 was dropping the resolution way down.
On February 08 2012 20:03 Ghost.573 wrote: Trying to set up a stream of my own as well, but I am trying to tweak it to get the best possible quality and sustain decent fps as well. Anybody have suggestions on the settings i need to use with this type of Internet connection (yes i know its terrible, but its the best I can find around here that i know of)?
edit: I also drop from 60 fps in game to between 8 and 10 once I hit F12 to start recording. Any tricks or something I am doing wrong that might fix that. The only thing that got it to around 20 was dropping the resolution way down.
What hardware do you have? We can't help without knowing that, because it relates to what settings you are able to use. Though I can say that you will not be able do stream games in anything higher than 360p to 480p and it won't look pretty
Edit: Are you using DXTory (you mention F12 which the the default start key) or did you set up a hot key in XSplit? Are you trying to stream or record? If your hardware is slow you shouldn't do both at the same time.
On December 27 2011 20:04 xXInsane10Xx wrote: Hey, guys i wanted to stream soon so i started tweaking a bit with xsplit and such but somehow when im streaming, i got lags in-game.Here are is my rig and a rough setting of mine for xsplit:
Intel Core i5 2500k @4.5ghz oc Nvidia GTX 570 Asus P8P67 Motherboard 8168 MB Corsair RAM Samsung SyncMaster 2343nw 2048x1152 Monitor or or I used these servers because JTV got an "Frankfurt Primary" and "Amsterdam" Server which is very near where i live.But somehow i cant get 4mb+ Upload on Xsplit using the Bandwith tester, its yellow all the time.
Tried thegunruns guide, got no problems with the streaming on my part but i asked some friends to try and watch it and they got video lag. Very strange since they got 100mbit download and I got 10mbit upload. I get a green light from the speedtest to the server, so I do not understand why the video stops from time to time while the sound keeps going. I also have no fps drops on my computer or anything of that sort.
i5 2500k, 8gb ram etc etc...
Any ideas? Tried all the way from 1300kbps to 2000kbps and none of them should cause this lag, right? quality on 8. 720p res.
^ Are you at stock on the 2500k? Check VOD's of justin/twitch.tv in your xsplit folder, and if you see it there too, try bumping up preset a few and see if you still get it.
On February 09 2012 03:14 Cyro wrote: ^ Are you at stock on the 2500k? Check VOD's of justin/twitch.tv in your xsplit folder, and if you see it there too, try bumping up preset a few and see if you still get it.
Ye, the cpu is at stock speed.
I checked out vods from my stream and there is no lag on them so i guess it is not a problem of mine then, instead it must be a twitch.tv problem i presume.
On February 08 2012 20:03 Ghost.573 wrote: Trying to set up a stream of my own as well, but I am trying to tweak it to get the best possible quality and sustain decent fps as well. Anybody have suggestions on the settings i need to use with this type of Internet connection (yes i know its terrible, but its the best I can find around here that i know of)?
edit: I also drop from 60 fps in game to between 8 and 10 once I hit F12 to start recording. Any tricks or something I am doing wrong that might fix that. The only thing that got it to around 20 was dropping the resolution way down.
What hardware do you have? We can't help without knowing that, because it relates to what settings you are able to use. Though I can say that you will not be able do stream games in anything higher than 360p to 480p and it won't look pretty
Edit: Are you using DXTory (you mention F12 which the the default start key) or did you set up a hot key in XSplit? Are you trying to stream or record? If your hardware is slow you shouldn't do both at the same time.
Yes I am using DXTory at least for now. As far as my hardware
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @2.40GHz Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 4GB of Ram on 32 bit windows 7 (gonna upgrade fairly quick to 64 bit and 8GB of ram)
I have basically the same internet connections that he does with maybe slightly worse hardware on some pieces, but if I could do it so that I don't need to use DXTory I would like that very much. I don't really have the money to spend right now and only plan to stream for some friends every once in a while.
edit: Sorry, I got the two threads mixed up when i was posting about using the F12 hotkey
edit2: If I could do it so that I don't need to use DXTory I would like that very much. I don't really have the money to spend right now
On February 09 2012 04:55 Ghost.573 wrote: Yes I am using DXTory at least for now. As far as my hardware Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @2.40GHz edit2: If I could do it so that I don't need to use DXTory I would like that very much. I don't really have the money to spend right now
For your cpu DXTory will help a lot. And it's obviously not powerful enough to stream and record, so you need to decide how you want to lessen the stress. I suggest to not record, only stream and set the preset in channel settings to superfast. Otherwise you have to lower the resolution too.
So I lowered my bitrate to 250 and set the quality to 6 and 8. Just trying to get the choppiness to stop. It wasn't too choppy after that, but movement was blurring the screen a bit much at times and nothing I tried solved the fact that I had 8 fps according to DXTory in game and live. This is the most annoying thing and I cannot find a way to keep the fps at a decent level.
edit: I messed with some settings and now it does not blur when I stream, but I still cannot find a way to get more than 8 fps while in game with it which poses a problem of being unplayable. I put my bitrate back to 350-400 and upped the buffer. I believe the buffer is the reason it is not blurry anymore. I just can't think of any way to up my fps in game which is 8 in game and 8 live. The only way I know of would be to dramatically lower the resolution resulting in a crappy stream basically
On February 09 2012 06:22 Ghost.573 wrote: So I lowered my bitrate to 250 and set the quality to 6 and 8. Just trying to get the choppiness to stop. It wasn't too choppy after that, but movement was blurring the screen a bit much at times and nothing I tried solved the fact that I had 8 fps according to DXTory in game and live. This is the most annoying thing and I cannot find a way to keep the fps at a decent level.
edit: I messed with some settings and now it does not blur when I stream, but I still cannot find a way to get more than 8 fps while in game with it which poses a problem of being unplayable. I put my bitrate back to 350-400 and upped the buffer. I believe the buffer is the reason it is not blurry anymore. I just can't think of any way to up my fps in game which is 8 in game and 8 live. The only way I know of would be to dramatically lower the resolution resulting in a crappy stream basically
You never commented on if you are still recording? Buffer does not matter about the blurryness - for you it's the bitrate. What preset did you choose? What is your cpu usage? What FPS do you get while not broadcasting and not recording (XSplit idle + DXtory running (not recording)?
On February 09 2012 06:22 Ghost.573 wrote: So I lowered my bitrate to 250 and set the quality to 6 and 8. Just trying to get the choppiness to stop. It wasn't too choppy after that, but movement was blurring the screen a bit much at times and nothing I tried solved the fact that I had 8 fps according to DXTory in game and live. This is the most annoying thing and I cannot find a way to keep the fps at a decent level.
edit: I messed with some settings and now it does not blur when I stream, but I still cannot find a way to get more than 8 fps while in game with it which poses a problem of being unplayable. I put my bitrate back to 350-400 and upped the buffer. I believe the buffer is the reason it is not blurry anymore. I just can't think of any way to up my fps in game which is 8 in game and 8 live. The only way I know of would be to dramatically lower the resolution resulting in a crappy stream basically
You never commented on if you are still recording? Buffer does not matter about the blurryness - for you it's the bitrate. What preset did you choose? What is your cpu usage? What FPS do you get while not broadcasting and not recording (XSplit idle + DXtory running (not recording)?
How do i set Xsplit to not record? I can't find the setting to do so. All i see is a setting to tell it what folder to record to. I have it set to not automatically record on the channel screen, but it seems to record regardless. I always see a new vod in my dashboard after testing the stream.
I have left the preset at default. I tried superfast and i didn't see any noticeable difference.
Ouch, when streaming my CPU usage jumps to over 90%. A lot of times 97-98%. That I am assuming is causing a lot of problems. Drops down to 48-50% with SC2, Xsplit, and DXtory running but idle. It seems to me that with this much CPU usage I may not want to stream at all huh?
I get 30-40 fps in SC2 when Xsplit and DXtory are sitting idle and not streaming.
On February 09 2012 08:28 Ghost.573 wrote: a) How do i set Xsplit to not record? I can't find the setting to do so. All i see is a setting to tell it what folder to record to. I have it set to not automatically record on the channel screen, but it seems to record regardless. I always see a new vod in my dashboard after testing the stream.
b) I have left the preset at default. I tried superfast and i didn't see any noticeable difference.
c) Ouch, when streaming my CPU usage jumps to over 90%. A lot of times 97-98%. That I am assuming is causing a lot of problems. Drops down to 48-50% with SC2, Xsplit, and DXtory running but idle. It seems to me that with this much CPU usage I may not want to stream at all huh?
a) There are two places to set this because you use DXTory. The first you have found (good), the second is in DXTory next to the "output" options on the 3rd or 4th tab if I recall. Both these settings mean that you will NOT record a local recording on your hard drive. This is good, because that will use up resources you don't have. As for the dashboard, that's not the same - that's just your stream provider that stores a copy of your stream - that will not affect your computer.
b) Wait, you're too fast. This *will* mean something for you, about cpu usage - which you seems to have found out you don't have very much of
c) That's very bad - you need to use a faster preset and/or lower your resolution/fps. Streaming is very cpu dependent.
Changed the Preset to superfast and lowered my resolution to 768 x 432 (16: 9). Still only got 8-9 fps and was using 98-100% CPU. It almost seems to me that my CPU just can't handle streaming. Unless I am doing something horribly wrong that I am unaware of.
I have quality at 7, max bitrate at 350 and buffer at 675 with preset at superfast.
Try without dxtory then - I'm not sure if you have disabled recording in that yet, because you don't mention it^^ Also, use ultrafast then. I believe I've seen others stream with a Q6600 (try searching this thread e.g.). Do you have other stuff running on your computer? Also lower the cpu-dependent graphics settings, disable vsync, do not watch your own stream, close unneeded software etc etc. Also, don't worry about the bitrate for now, it's not related to cpu usage.
On February 09 2012 14:46 HellGreen wrote: Try without dxtory then - I'm not sure if you have disabled recording in that yet, because you don't mention it^^ Also, use ultrafast then. I believe I've seen others stream with a Q6600 (try searching this thread e.g.). Do you have other stuff running on your computer? Also lower the cpu-dependent graphics settings, disable vsync, do not watch your own stream, close unneeded software etc etc. Also, don't worry about the bitrate for now, it's not related to cpu usage.
Sorry, yes I have recording disabled in both. The only thing open on my computer when trying to stream is xsplit, DXtory, and SC2. I have a friend watching my stream to let me know what its like. I have the game itself on low settings already from playing and have disabled vsync and other things in the NVIDIA settings for other games to clear up lag. I may try w/o Dxtory again and see what it is like. I will update with the results from that.
edit: Alright so i tried it without DXtory. At first it did nothing, but I decided I would change the process priority in the task manager to have SC2 (High Priority) XSplit (low or below normal), and I had skype open as well (not sure how much skype would affect this, but im sure it does some.) With these settings I sprung up to ~20 fps steady in game and the stream didn't look horrible.
Just so you know, I also tried the same settings with DXtory back open and running the stream. I dropped right back down to 8 fps
Now if only I could find out why I can't watch the videos in the Recorded section of my dashboard... Ugh I hate being a noob lol.
Edit: Figured it out. I had the do not let people see my past broadcasts checked....
I was wondering if you could separate the sounds when i stream, like only stream the music i listen to and not the ventrilo/skype, or only the ingame sounds or ingame+music and not ventrilo. Do i need another program for that? I've read some about that VAC can make that possible but i´m not sure since i have no experience with that program what so ever.
I was able to up the resolution and keep the same type of FPS in game. Stayed near 20 for the most part. Would like to get this up to 30 if possible. A problem that I have come across now though is that I cannot hold shift down to do things in game :/. Is there any setting or any reason this would be the case? Like when I try to scout or warp in units, I cannot hold down shift and click. I also cannot shift click anywhere on the minimap.
@Ghost The ~20 using screen regions and your cpu sounds reasonable. I guess it's a configuration thing in DXTory then - it should never give you lower fps than compared to screen regions. You might need to go over the configuration again - check the thread here on TL on DXTory, not just the OP but the replies too
@poofie It depends on the apps you use. Most people that use VAC want to combine everything. In your case it's the other way around, but it's possible if each app supports to select a sound source other than the default Windows playback device (XSplit will only pick up audio from the default playback and recording devices). If it does, set it to a device other than the default playback device and you good to go. You only need VAC if you need to create a new virtual sound device - there are guides on VAC on TL too if you search. The easiest thing would be to add a USB sound card and divide your apps between them.
On February 09 2012 17:13 HellGreen wrote: @Ghost The ~20 using screen regions and your cpu sounds reasonable. I guess it's a configuration thing in DXTory then - it should never give you lower fps than compared to screen regions. You might need to go over the configuration again - check the thread here on TL on DXTory, not just the OP but the replies too
@poofie It depends on the apps you use. Most people that use VAC want to combine everything. In your case it's the other way around, but it's possible if each app supports to select a sound source other than the default Windows playback device (XSplit will only pick up audio from the default playback and recording devices). If it does, set it to a device other than the default playback device and you good to go. You only need VAC if you need to create a new virtual sound device - there are guides on VAC on TL too if you search. The easiest thing would be to add a USB sound card and divide your apps between them.
I tried to get DXTory working again. Made sure I had the same settings and tried the different ideas in the comments. It didn't help anything. I am not sure why this is the case, as i don't see how DXTory could bog down FPS that much.
On January 07 2012 01:15 starheroz2 wrote: HellGreen, its Starheroz again. Just wanted to show what my final xsplit result look like. (I start playing at around 1 min) http://www.twitch.tv/starheroz/b/304678201 Can't wait to try these settings out in Sc2!
Looks awesome! :D Could you post your settings for others to see and be inspired by?
Updated my twitch page today with my PC specs and stream settings for World of Warcraft
PS I've used these settings for sc2 on extream settings @3000 kbps and it was perfect
Seeing as my CPU is at 97-100% use while attempting to stream is there anything that I can do to release some of that load?
Recap of what I have been able to do: Play at 20-25 fps in game w/o DXTory (8-9 fps with DXTory). Stream however is still kind of choppy. Might be my bitrate or buffer setting, not sure though. I have my bitrate at 400 and buffer either at 400 as well or at 650. I tried different stuff for DXTory but could never get decent FPS with it and I do have recording off in both DXTory and Xsplit.
Game settings are all on low as well. I had to make XSplit a low priority and make SC2 High priority in the processes tab of task manager to get the 20-25 fps in game. Without having SC2 high and XSplit low i got 9-11 fps in game.
My hardware again is:
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @2.40GHz Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 4GB of Ram on 32 bit windows 7 (gonna upgrade when I can to 64 bit and 8GB of ram. I am sadly still in college right now, so I don't have the money to upgrade at this point in time.)
Just an FYI, I assume overclocking can help this out a bit, but I do not have a clue what I need to do for that and I do not want to totally screw up my computer by trying to do it and failing.
Edit: Well I played with my bitrate and ended up lowering it to 230, set the quality to 10 and made the resolution 768 x 432. Doing this and setting SC2 to high priority and XSplit to below normal. Doing this got me this fairly good result. This result is completely without using DXTory which I have not been able to get good results with. My CPU was around 96% and steady there.
Don't mind the first minute or so. I was having trouble getting the stream up on my other computer to check. For my computer I consider this a pretty good result. This is a live game as well which made me pretty happy. I got between 30 and 50 fps during that game as you can clearly see from the fraps numbers on the bottom left. It was steadily between 30 and 40 during the majority of the game which I am totally fine with. It did not really hinder my gameplay at all.
Let me know what you think and get back to me if you think there is any way that I could up the resolution and keep the fps and the smoothness. I attempted it with 1088 x 612, but doing that led to some choppiness and sluggish/stuttering movement on the stream.
@Ghost A high/low bitrate will not use more/less cpu. It doesn't matter for FPS/input lag at all. Use a value close to your limit for best quality. Quality: A value of 10 uses more (average) bandwidth than 1 - you should never use 10 on a sub 2000 kbps upload. It does not matter for the image quality. Having +95% CPU is bad - very bad. Your game and your stream will lag when pushed the final 5% (which will happen). As I said ~5 posts earlier, use have to use a faster preset if your cpu is almost maxed.
Go over your scenes again. Do you have some screen regions doubled? Are you running with Aero off (try forcing it off)?
My graphics card is a Nvidia Geforce 580 GTX which can run sc2 on ultra at a firm 60fps.
My question to you TL is can I achieve atleast 720p??? If so what settings would I need exactly and at what FPS? I know my CPU and RAM should be overkill but I am here looking for more opinions. Futhermore I thank all who take the time to give me constructive answers to my question.
On February 28 2012 20:13 d00mbring3r wrote: Currently my setup is 30mg down and 1.5mg up. My setup is i7 3960x [...] My question to you TL is can I achieve atleast 720p??? If so what settings would I need exactly and at what FPS?
Yes you can - upload is not optimum, but you will have no problems doing a decent 720p.
Resolution: 720p (maintain your aspect ratio from the desktop resolution) FPS: 30
Channel settings --------------------- Location: Use a server near you Preset: Medium Quality: 6 Bitrate/Buffer: 1100/2200 Audio: 44.1KHz/96K bitrate/Stereo
On February 28 2012 20:13 d00mbring3r wrote: Currently my setup is 30mg down and 1.5mg up. My setup is i7 3960x [...] My question to you TL is can I achieve atleast 720p??? If so what settings would I need exactly and at what FPS?
Yes you can - upload is not optimum, but you will have no problems doing a decent 720p.
Resolution: 720p (maintain your aspect ratio from the desktop resolution) FPS: 30
Channel settings --------------------- Location: Use a server near you Preset: Medium Quality: 6 Bitrate/Buffer: 1100/2200 Audio: 44.1KHz/96K bitrate/Stereo
Thanks for the information. I will try the stream in a little bit and see how my frames go. Another question is streaming say music from Grooveshark or another music streaming site would tax my internet as well. Though I do not think it will have an impact with the streaming since its mostly uploading.
On March 16 2012 09:38 Drake22 wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking for an advice on optimal settings for 720p/30 and 1080p/30 with xsplit. CPU: i7 920 @ 3.8 ghz many thanks in advance
720p30 is easy with your hardware and internet: Preset=VeryFast, Quality=9, Bitrate/Buffer=3000/3000
1080p30 is probably not going to work for you ingame though, but no harm in trying: Preset=VeryFast, Quality=9, Bitrate/Buffer=5000/5000 You might need to use a faster preset and lower fps for this one, in order to keep your ingame fps in a playable range lategame..
As always monitor cpu usage and tweak the settings from there.
(I guess this is sort of an blog post, but I wanted to leave it here for reasons stated below)
I would like to officially inform everyone that as of March 1st 2012, I am employed at SplitMediaLabs, the creators of XSplit. Please recognize that all of my so far approximately 1.000 posts providing help on streaming was made in the past and as an independent and neutral devoted TeamLiquid fan with the sole intent to help people improve their stream or get started with streaming. Whatever interpretations that could be put into past posts must not be construed as being in favor of XSplit due to my current affiliation with the company.
I just love watching streams - even more than I enjoy playing games - and any effort on my behalf that supports more high quality streams was and is still my true and only goal. To avoid possible future conflicts of interest, I will primarily answer posts that pertain to the XSplit software, i.e. this entire thread.
I realize that XSplit support at times have been somewhat hard to find, so allow me to leave these options if you need support. If you have issues, you are more than welcome to post here or if particularly difficult preferably search and post in the official forums at www.xsplit.com/forum. You can also try the live support on our IRC channel #xsplit on quakenet, run mainly by highly experienced volunteer supporters.
To anyone curious, I can only recommend to keep fighting for your dreams, no matter what it takes - even if it means moving from Denmark to the Philippines, 6000 miles around the globe. The time I "invested" on TeamLiquid in helping users with one of my favorite pieces of software, definitely played a significant role in me getting the job at SplitMediaLabs.
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- I use Dxtory ... 720p HD broadcasting resolution on Xsplit combined with dxtory
I've had pure success with streaming - my upload will sway between 1.5 to 1.75 (though never dropping bellow 1.5)
I don't necessarily stream SC2 too often, mainly Battlefield 3, WoW, diablo in the future and games alike...
I heard that your max streaming bitrate should be 1/3rd of your max upload speed. At first, i chose to stream at 875 bitrate and 975 max buffer (i personally have no clue what the buffer is, i just heard from a pretty valuable source that it should always be 100 more than the streaming bitrate)
Attempting to push the boundaries, i began streaming at 1000 bitrate (1100 buffer) and then i had been attempting 1300 (1400 buffer)
Is this bad? good? How much of a quality increase are we looking at here? Should i call it safe and stream at 1000 bitrate instead? Also another important question/input - the higher bitrate i stream, the more 'power' consumption or resources used (cpu, gpu, or internet connection rather) therefor resulting in lower FPS so to speak - is that statement true?
Quality....... 1 - 10
I've heard from the same 'valuable source' that 6-8 is fine, but why not 10? I want the best quality for my viewers so, i have been using 10, and am wondering why people even chose 6 instead of 8? ? ? I've been pretty stuborn about this and want to know from expert xsplit users why they don't use a quality of 10 and if they do, what are the requirements / risks or shortcomings, if there are any at all. (ie. like above, FPS dropping etc..)
If you are able to answer each question it would be of great appreciation, really; I grew up loving video games and i am very intrigued in the aspect of streaming games to eager viewers and am pushing myself to make it a daily routine.
Excuse the grammar, i just wanted to quickly throw all of my concerns out there.
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: I heard that your max streaming bitrate should be 1/3rd of your max upload speed. [...] Is this bad? good? How much of a quality increase are we looking at here? Should i call it safe and stream at 1000 bitrate instead?
You should always leave room for audio+game+what internet related apps you run in the background. However it's not a fixed ratio like 66% of your max upload. It depends on what you are streaming, how stable your internet upload is (is it prone to variations due to outer circumstances, time of day/week etc). Basically it's a case by case setting. Most people mess this up by streaming a static image (like a replay on pause). This will not cause the variable bitrate to hit the maximum bandwidth needed. Always test the bitrate setting using a crazy high motion scene from something like a 200/200 fight.
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: Also another important question/input - the higher bitrate i stream, the more 'power' consumption or resources used (cpu, gpu, or internet connection rather) therefor resulting in lower FPS so to speak - is that statement true?
Internet yes (of course ), hardware resources no.
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: Quality....... 1 - 10 I've heard from the same 'valuable source' that 6-8 is fine, but why not 10?
The 'Quality' setting is quite often misunderstood due to it's name. It is really a secondary bitrate limiter. Setting it to 10 on a rather low upload increase the risk of potential lag issues. If you stream at 1000 kbps but have 2000 available, always set it to 10. But when reaching the actual limit, like you are, it is wise to keep it a little lower.
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: I heard that your max streaming bitrate should be 1/3rd of your max upload speed. [...] Is this bad? good? How much of a quality increase are we looking at here? Should i call it safe and stream at 1000 bitrate instead?
You should always leave room for audio+game+what internet related apps you run in the background. However it's not a fixed ratio like 66% of your max upload. It depends on what you are streaming, how stable your internet upload is (is it prone to variations due to outer circumstances, time of day/week etc). Basically it's a case by case setting. Most people mess this up by streaming a static image (like a replay on pause). This will not cause the variable bitrate to hit the maximum bandwidth needed. Always test the bitrate setting using a crazy high motion scene from something like a 200/200 fight.
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: Also another important question/input - the higher bitrate i stream, the more 'power' consumption or resources used (cpu, gpu, or internet connection rather) therefor resulting in lower FPS so to speak - is that statement true?
On March 26 2012 08:41 Mojj wrote: Quality....... 1 - 10 I've heard from the same 'valuable source' that 6-8 is fine, but why not 10?
The 'Quality' setting is quite often misunderstood due to it's name. It is really a secondary bitrate limiter. Setting it to 10 on a rather low upload increase the risk of potential lag issues. If you stream at 1000 kbps but have 2000 available, always set it to 10. But when reaching the actual limit, like you are, it is wise to keep it a little lower.
Thank you for the response... It's funny because i notice some pretty experienced streamers who attempt to define the quality setting as how "sharp" and "detailed" etc.. that the image will look... which may be true in a sense depending on the refresh rate post blurring effect of a high motioned scene (that's just my opinion, i could be absolutely wrong)
Anyway, question 1 (i'm not finished yet hehe, despite all of the reasearch i did regarding game streaming and specifically xsplit combined with dxtory etc...)
instance 1
Suppose i stream at 2000kbps and have 4000 available, though i set my buffer rate to 2200, or even 2000, would setting the quality to 10 cause lag issues on the viewers end? I'm getting the idea that the buffer rate is in a sense, the buffering capability depending on how direct or indirectly the connection is from the user, to you. (for instance, would it be correct for me to assume the buffer setting to be compared to the way that youtube videos buffer ? where as having potential buffer zones being long buffering lines (lower quality) or on the other hand, higher internet connection possibility, and shorter buffer zones resulting in higher quality or, worse internet connection.)
instance 2,
Suppose i stream at 750kbps , and have 1500 available... how would this be different from the instance above? what would a proper quality setting be and, would setting the buffer zone to 1500 be logical? or would a buffer zone of 1200/1300 be more suggested, or even a buffer of 850-950 while streaming at 750 be correct?
Question 2,
Does the xsplit broadband tester (red, yellow, green resulting light etc..) take into account the audio bandwidth setting, when set prior to testing? Does it take into account the quality setting along with the bitrate and buffer settings? Also, does it take into account the resolution you expect to use as well as the performance (i forget the name, but the settings are basically ultrafast, super fast, very fast, faster etc...) ?
Question 3,
When streaming BF3 while having a bad upload (1.5mbps for instance), obviously quality will not be too superior, even when streaming in 1280x720 resolution. So the obvious choice to make would be to lower the "cpu performance setting" is what i'll call it now seeing how i'm in class and i forgot the name.... Generally xsplit default equates to veryfast... now seeing how BF3 is such a CPU consuming/intensive game to begin with, even lowering this from very fast to "faster" is huge stress on the cpu, and i find that my GPU is barely being used during these times of streaming because i can't even hear the fans on the gpu's running as they normally would without streaming. Are BF3 streamers with not so great of an upload pretty much screwed (attempting to shoot for higher quality with reasonable stream connection on the viewers end, without fps loss) ??? This is my issue at the moment, i'll get about 30-40fps when streaming on "faster" while my gpu's will barely be running, I have an i7 2700 hyperthread enabled with an OC of 4.5, mind you. I still have yet to test this out more since i've been playing more overhead, WoW type of games
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I have learned to rely on the broadband tester, well, simply because it's the only means for me to provide myself an feel for what will work, and what will not. So i'm constantly testing this before streaming...
I found that (my max kbps bitrate is 1.5 btw..) using a low bitrate such as 700-800 and a wide buffer ranger, (1400, 1500) results in me having a green light. Though, when i attempt say, 1000 bitrate and 1100, 1200, or even 1400-1500, i'll get yellow to red lights...
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Thanks for reading, really - there's a long list of questions but i hope you take each question into account and really break them down or explain them in strong terms. (i would pay you if i could just for complete answers, really lol)
Thank you for the response... It's funny because i notice some pretty experienced streamers who attempt to define the quality setting as how "sharp" and "detailed" etc.. that the image will look... which may be true in a sense depending on the refresh rate post blurring effect of a high motioned scene (that's just my opinion, i could be absolutely wrong)
Anyway, question 1 (i'm not finished yet hehe, despite all of the reasearch i did regarding game streaming and specifically xsplit combined with dxtory etc...)
instance 1
Suppose i stream at 2000kbps and have 4000 available, though i set my buffer rate to 2200, or even 2000, would setting the quality to 10 cause lag issues on the viewers end? I'm getting the idea that the buffer rate is in a sense, the buffering capability depending on how direct or indirectly the connection is from the user, to you. (for instance, would it be correct for me to assume the buffer setting to be compared to the way that youtube videos buffer ? where as having potential buffer zones being long buffering lines (lower quality) or on the other hand, higher internet connection possibility, and shorter buffer zones resulting in higher quality or, worse internet connection.)
instance 2,
Suppose i stream at 750kbps , and have 1500 available... how would this be different from the instance above? what would a proper quality setting be and, would setting the buffer zone to 1500 be logical? or would a buffer zone of 1200/1300 be more suggested, or even a buffer of 850-950 while streaming at 750 be correct?
Question 2,
Does the xsplit broadband tester (red, yellow, green resulting light etc..) take into account the audio bandwidth setting, when set prior to testing? Does it take into account the quality setting along with the bitrate and buffer settings? Also, does it take into account the resolution you expect to use as well as the performance (i forget the name, but the settings are basically ultrafast, super fast, very fast, faster etc...) ?
Question 3,
When streaming BF3 while having a bad upload (1.5mbps for instance), obviously quality will not be too superior, even when streaming in 1280x720 resolution. So the obvious choice to make would be to lower the "cpu performance setting" is what i'll call it now seeing how i'm in class and i forgot the name.... Generally xsplit default equates to veryfast... now seeing how BF3 is such a CPU consuming/intensive game to begin with, even lowering this from very fast to "faster" is huge stress on the cpu, and i find that my GPU is barely being used during these times of streaming because i can't even hear the fans on the gpu's running as they normally would without streaming. Are BF3 streamers with not so great of an upload pretty much screwed (attempting to shoot for higher quality with reasonable stream connection on the viewers end, without fps loss) ??? This is my issue at the moment, i'll get about 30-40fps when streaming on "faster" while my gpu's will barely be running, I have an i7 2700 hyperthread enabled with an OC of 4.5, mind you. I still have yet to test this out more since i've been playing more overhead, WoW type of games
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I have learned to rely on the broadband tester, well, simply because it's the only means for me to provide myself an feel for what will work, and what will not. So i'm constantly testing this before streaming...
I found that (my max kbps bitrate is 1.5 btw..) using a low bitrate such as 700-800 and a wide buffer ranger, (1400, 1500) results in me having a green light. Though, when i attempt say, 1000 bitrate and 1100, 1200, or even 1400-1500, i'll get yellow to red lights...
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Thanks for reading, really - there's a long list of questions but i hope you take each question into account and really break them down or explain them in strong terms. (i would pay you if i could just for complete answers, really lol)
The Quality setting (aka CRF in x264 terms) is actually one of three bandwidth limiters. They way it works in XSplit is in conjunction with the VBV max bitrate. Together they make sure your stream looks as good as you allow using the limiters. If you want to get really technical CRF actually removes frames in really high motion sequences of frames because they are more affordable to skip, and that leaves room for better quality at other frames.
As for what setting to use, I generally advice people to not set quality to max when they are close to reaching the capacity of their bandwidth, to minimize risk of lag. So in your scenarios of having twice the bandwidth available as your chosen bitrate, I would have no issues choosing 10 for quality. It will not cause lag - ever - on the viewers end, unless they don't have the capacity to download what you are uploading.
Unfortunately I'm not at liberty to disclose exactly how the bandwidth tester works, but resolution is used - along with anything shown on the active scene. As for your trials with different buffer sizes, something else must be at work, as the buffer value is not used. I wouldn't worry so much about a yellow signal, as this usually is fine for live streaming.
@BF3 You're sort of going about it the wrong way. CPUs or Presets can not fix your issue of low bandwidth. 720p typically requires between 1500-3000 kbps (@30fps), meaning at 1500 kbps it will look okay, and at 3000 it will look fantastic. If you want to improve the quality, these are the factors you want to change in prioritized order: Bitrate, Quality, Preset. The latter two will never be able to make up for the bitrate difference between 1500 and 3000 kbps. No amount of cpu power will change that. Slow Presets are extremely cpu demanding, but cannot produce miracles.
Hey, I've been doing a lot of streaming with a .8 mbit upload from my ISP (speedtest at .71).
I use 500 bitrate for video and 96 for audio.
I can normally pull off a good quality 720p or 612p stream with these settings at "Slower" preset, and a decent stream at "Slow" preset, the latter having more macro blocking. I have a 2600k overclocked to 4.8ghz. Do you think that's pretty good? If I somehow ran at placebo, what kind of quality do you think I could achieve? I know that isn't really possible, just curious. How much of a difference would Veryfast have compared to Medium? I honestly don't see much of a difference at all until I get to the Slow/Slower/Slowest settings. I can run Slow at 720p30 or Slower at 720p20 or Slower at 612p30, but the slower settings get me to about 90% cpu, while slow is around 60-70, and anything faster than that is minimal.
I just wanted to point out that it may definitely be possible to stream at good quality with a slower preset, I don't really see people mention it here. Most people just go straight to "Don't have 2k mbit upload? can't stream". I know that you know all of this about presets... so why not mention it when they have low upload speeds? Am I just imagining my quality being better or...?
On May 12 2012 04:51 Nabutso wrote: Hey, I've been doing a lot of streaming with a .8 mbit upload from my ISP (speedtest at .71).
I use 500 bitrate for video and 96 for audio.
I can normally pull off a good quality 720p or 612p stream with these settings at "Slower" preset, and a decent stream at "Slow" preset, the latter having more macro blocking. I have a 2600k overclocked to 4.8ghz. Do you think that's pretty good? If I somehow ran at placebo, what kind of quality do you think I could achieve? I know that isn't really possible, just curious. How much of a difference would Veryfast have compared to Medium? I honestly don't see much of a difference at all until I get to the Slow/Slower/Slowest settings. I can run Slow at 720p30 or Slower at 720p20 or Slower at 612p30, but the slower settings get me to about 90% cpu, while slow is around 60-70, and anything faster than that is minimal.
I just wanted to point out that it may definitely be possible to stream at good quality with a slower preset, I don't really see people mention it here. Most people just go straight to "Don't have 2k mbit upload? can't stream". I know that you know all of this about presets... so why not mention it when they have low upload speeds? Am I just imagining my quality being better or...?
There is a big difference in both quality and CPU usage, mainly noticable in high stress scenes. A 3k bitrate 1080p stream @veryfast running on 2 cores of a first gen i7 will generally match or exceed a 1k bitrate one running on a dedicated 3930k (6 core) as it is hard to get over raw data amounts but especially at lower resolutions you have the headroom for lowering presets a ton and it will make a massive difference.
veryfast (the default) is very easy on CPU, at high resolutions (1920x1080) you cant really push much lower, but at 540p etc you have a quarter of the CPU load and can get a lot of gains for pushing preset down, especially as bandwidth gets more limited, IMO
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"100 safe zone" and 100 for sc2, so in total 1.4 where my upload normally is maxed out.![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/1220689785.png)
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or 16:10. Also varied FPS from 20 to 25 to 29, 30 and 60 with no success. Quality has ranged from 1 to 10, audio from lowest to max aswell, bitrate from 300 to 15000. I followed the sticky guides and tried to think up of something I might have missed in the options, but I can think of nothing. My PC should at worst be able to handle streaming at very low resolutions, however it still laggs.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SFKuB.png)
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