The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 34
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bowenkhong
Singapore43 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On February 12 2012 21:56 bowenkhong wrote: I find the G9X many times more comfortable without the shell for fingertip grip. The Precision shell is okay, the Wideload one is kinda bad. Without a shell it's tiny and really comfy. I use mine without weights in it though. It takes a lot of getting used to but it is quite comfy once you get accustomed to it.Thanks, I'm be trying finger grip playing AIM400KG, using MAX weight w/o the shall. My G1 I ordered off Ebay shipped! It should be here in the next week or two. So excited. | ||
iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Been using my Logitech MX310 since 2004 (shit, thats 8 years...). Its had a great run, and I've never held anything so comfortable, but I'm starting to notice that its not quite as accurate as it used to be. ![]() But, having been out of the mouse market for so long, I have no idea what to yet. I've tested a couple friends' mice, and I've found that I don't like the Razer Mamba, or anything with high acceleration. I don't need a ton of macro buttons, though the two on my MX310 are nice (no one uses the middle button. Ever.). Any suggestions? | ||
RRjr
Germany40 Posts
On February 13 2012 05:54 iGrok wrote: I feel like its time for a new mouse. Been using my Logitech MX310 since 2004 (shit, thats 8 years...). Its had a great run, and I've never held anything so comfortable, but I'm starting to notice that its not quite as accurate as it used to be. ... But, having been out of the mouse market for so long, I have no idea what to yet. I've tested a couple friends' mice, and I've found that I don't like the Razer Mamba, or anything with high acceleration. I don't need a ton of macro buttons, though the two on my MX310 are nice (no one uses the middle button. Ever.). Any suggestions? If you been using Logitech until now and it fits your hand I really suggest you get the G700. I have it and I can tell you that in terms of functionality nothing comes even close. If you wanna go cheaper I recommend the G400. It's the MX510s continuation and there's a good reason they still produce this one as I've never held aynthing more ergonomic than this model. I only got the G700 after I lost my MX510 and I'd probably still be using it if I hadn't. If you're looking for something else I really recommend visiting a store and trying them out. You really have to feel the thing to figure out whether size and shape is right for you. Me, for example, I can't use Steelseries at all as all their models too small for my hand. | ||
madals
United Kingdom624 Posts
Firstly, I was using a logitech revolution before, lovely mouse but the charger started to die and wasn't specifically a gaming mouse so I started to do some research for the best mouse I could get. The Rat9 has amazing signal, feedback time and battery life (about 10 hours of use) - the battery quick swap is also an amazing feature, one is charging while you use the other and it takes literally a matter of seconds to switch them over. So let me get onto the real selling point of this mouse, it is so customisable. The different grips/size adjustments actually help a lot to get it to fit your own hand EXACTLY how you want it to. Personally, I fell in love with their "pinky rest" that lets you rest your little finger of a flat bit of the mouse rather than "gripping" the side. It may not sound like much, but in long gaming sessions I find it to massively reduce my hand ache. The weight changes can be anything from subtle to drastic, with no weights in the mouse is feather light but with all of them in the thing is actually damn heavy in your hand. The only draw back I have found to the mouse in terms of customisation is the thumb angle doesn't seem to lock very hard, so if you grip the mouse with the angle out wide then it will move back in. The DPI is amazing, frankly I don't think anyone could use it on its maximum. 4 quick change settings really help if you use a different DPI ingame compared to desktop etc. The software allows multiple profiles and is very easy to use (for example the side wheel I have changed to switch between hatches and the two side buttons to be ctrl and shift). The only problem I have had with this mouse is that if you use wireless internet which uses the same frequency as the mouse, it completely kills the connection to the web - it is easily solved by moving the wireless though or changing frequency. | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:33 madals wrote: Been using the cyborg R.A.T.9 for a few months now and I cannot stress how AMAZING this mouse is. Firstly, I was using a logitech revolution before, lovely mouse but the charger started to die and wasn't specifically a gaming mouse so I started to do some research for the best mouse I could get. The Rat9 has amazing signal, feedback time and battery life (about 10 hours of use) - the battery quick swap is also an amazing feature, one is charging while you use the other and it takes literally a matter of seconds to switch them over. So let me get onto the real selling point of this mouse, it is so customisable. The different grips/size adjustments actually help a lot to get it to fit your own hand EXACTLY how you want it to. Personally, I fell in love with their "pinky rest" that lets you rest your little finger of a flat bit of the mouse rather than "gripping" the side. It may not sound like much, but in long gaming sessions I find it to massively reduce my hand ache. The weight changes can be anything from subtle to drastic, with no weights in the mouse is feather light but with all of them in the thing is actually damn heavy in your hand. The only draw back I have found to the mouse in terms of customisation is the thumb angle doesn't seem to lock very hard, so if you grip the mouse with the angle out wide then it will move back in. The DPI is amazing, frankly I don't think anyone could use it on its maximum. 4 quick change settings really help if you use a different DPI ingame compared to desktop etc. The software allows multiple profiles and is very easy to use (for example the side wheel I have changed to switch between hatches and the two side buttons to be ctrl and shift). The only problem I have had with this mouse is that if you use wireless internet which uses the same frequency as the mouse, it completely kills the connection to the web - it is easily solved by moving the wireless though or changing frequency. Wireless will always have higher latency and less reliability than wired, batteries will always add weight etc... in the end the customization and pinky rest etc is all good but i think of the RAT mice as more casual gaming mice if you dont really care that much about accuracy+precision and extreme performance. In that role they seem pretty decent, though i wish people wouldnt quote the 5600dpi... I get along fine @450 with accel disabled on deathadder with a multi-monitor setup and i dont think ive found a single person yet that uses >2k or so without having either mouse accel/decel in windows/drivers, or lowered windows/game sensitivity settings causing pixel skipping etc. | ||
.Natsu
68 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On February 13 2012 21:45 .Natsu wrote: I used to have a Deathadder and was happy with it but it only lasted 8 months, so I advice against Razer mice unless you don't mind running the risk of having to replace them every few months. I switched to Logitech G400 and found it very similar in the way it feels and the fact that it doesn't use drivers is also great. As it stands, I don't see any disadvantage of the relatively cheap G400 compared to other more expensive mice of the same type. yeah my salmosa broken down in stages after some months of use.. first mousewheel then a complete clicker died! loved the size/feel but man those things are built like cardhouses. | ||
IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 13 2012 18:14 RRjr wrote: ... If you're looking for something else I really recommend visiting a store and trying them out. You really have to feel the thing to figure out whether size and shape is right for you. Me, for example, I can't use Steelseries at all as all their models too small for my hand. Are your hands that huge or do you play SC 2 with a palm grip? | ||
Papillon
Germany131 Posts
On February 13 2012 05:54 iGrok wrote: I feel like its time for a new mouse. Been using my Logitech MX310 since 2004 (shit, thats 8 years...). Its had a great run, and I've never held anything so comfortable, but I'm starting to notice that its not quite as accurate as it used to be. ![]() But, having been out of the mouse market for so long, I have no idea what to yet. I've tested a couple friends' mice, and I've found that I don't like the Razer Mamba, or anything with high acceleration. I don't need a ton of macro buttons, though the two on my MX310 are nice (no one uses the middle button. Ever.). Any suggestions? I also played for many years with my mx310, liked it a lot :d You can try out the Roccat Kova, which suited my grip very well, coming from the mx310. | ||
Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:00 Papillon wrote: I also played for many years with my mx310, liked it a lot :d You can try out the Roccat Kova, which suited my grip very well, coming from the mx310. Or maybe if the side buttons aren't a deal breaker, the Azurues mini? Speaking of shameless promotion I just finished my evaluation of the mini here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312305 | ||
theMarkovian
Netherlands183 Posts
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Vigor
Canada77 Posts
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:20 mTwTT1 wrote: so i just received my kana, the only downside to the mouse is that its super light so whenever i drag a box in sc2 the mouse keeps lifting off my pad, its super annoying does anyone know of any good mouse feet that would help reduce this problem? edit: and the side buttons sides are EXTREMELY annoying, my finger always hits it and theres a holde between the button and the area where ur supposed to rest ur thumb on Is the side buttons pretty much the same as MS IE 1.1? + Show Spoiler + ![]() Been using this for 10+ years so im used to the weird side buttons and think i would like the Kana. | ||
Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Okay, so a little bit back I mentioned I ordered a Logitech G1 from a Korean eBayer, and I got it today, and here are my thoughts on the mouse after a few hours of testing and a shoutout to the seller at the end for anyone else who wants one and wants to be sure it's legit (this seller is awesome!, I'll post his stuff at the end). I absolutely love the G1. There's literally no flaws I can find with it, it's perfect for me in every way possible. Firstly I'll start by saying I tested with Setpoint to confirm it's a genuine G1. My thoughts so far are that I vastly prefer it to the G9X, and prefer it by an even larger margin to the Death Adder. It took a bit of getting used to the weight and the texture but from what I can tell, it is quite a bit lighter feeling than my G9X (which I use without a grip and without weights or even the weight tray). Size wise, it is around the same, though a bit longer, but that's because it's a fully fleshed out mouse,The shiny texture was kinda sticky at first but now that I'm used to it I find it to be just fine. It feels very round compared to my G9, but that is likely due to the G9 not being designed to be used without a grip, hence the sharper edges. The scroll wheel on this mouse is much more comfortable to use and click than both my Death Adder and G9X, especially the G9X's awful scroll wheel, and pressing in Mouse 3 (IE the button associated with the scroll wheel) feels more consistent than both the G9X and DA. I'll admit I do miss the side buttons from my other mice for navigating web pages but I'm already used the kinda wonky back button beneath the scroll wheel. I love the main Mouse 1 and Mouse 2 buttons. I like that they are separate pieces of plastic, as my biggest pet peeve with many new mice is that the entire top of the mouse, including both buttons, is one piece of plastic, and I don't like that at all. I do notice with the G1 my grip has changed to more of a claw grip because that seems to work better with the buttons but it's not a big deal. In terms of actual performance, it has done quite well. I've done the usual tests with paint and tried it with a few key games (Obviously SC and SC2, along with BF2, CS and Osu), and it has done fine, it made nice smooth circles on paint, and the sensor is not at all jumpy, and feels smoother than any laser mouse I've used. I was initially concerned about how low the CPI/DPI was, but it actually is very comfortable to use with my triple monitor setup. Obviously you can't change DPI/CPI (which it has 1000 of, not 800 like they used to have), but within Setpoint you can do quite a bit more tinkering than I thought, though I didn't need to do any as it was quite comfortably set by default once Setpoint was installed. For a mouse I spent 20 bucks on, it feels just as precise as my G9X. Overall, I would actually happily recommend this mouse to anyone looking for a simple, no frills mouse that can get the job done. The fact that I prefer it to mice that are more than 4x it's price is a testament to how much I adore the G1. I never actually planned for it to replace my G9X, but instead I just bought it as a laptop mouse (I've given up on wireless after having 4 receivers break) but it is now definitely my main mouse, and I'll probably end up selling my G9X or putting it on our family computer. It's a real shame Logitech doesn't actively produce these anymore and that they can't be found easily outside of Asia. As soon as a summer job is secured, I will be buying a PC bang pack of these (which comes with 3) if they are still available. As for the seller, this was my first Ebay purchase so I was a little apprehensive but it went as smoothly as it could possibly go. The user I bought it from, K1Shop2010, was absolutely amazing to deal with for anyone interested in getting a G1 (his feedback is pretty much all positive, so I'm not alone). I don't know how he does it, but he shipped a mouse from Seoul to Saskatoon in less than 6 business days, even though he only promises 15-30 business days. I'm not kidding when I say he wrapped the mouse in a 10 foot roll of bubble wrap. When I first unpacked the package all I saw was a giant ball of bubble wrap. It was probably a 3-4 inch thick layer of bubble wrap around the mouse on all sides. Of course the mouse itself was nestled nicely in the middle with no possibility of damage. I was quite impressed overall with the seller and will definitely be buying from him again (he has a lot of really neat older mice. I might order a Salmosa from him eventually). Overall, I think it is absolutely worth it for a person to get a G1 if they are interested in them. For only around $25 with shipping, it's pretty hard to go wrong with such a solid mouse. If you want to get one though, get it soon, as the G100 is becoming more and more common and the G1 seems to be starting to get phased out. | ||
Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 18 2012 14:46 Ben... wrote: **Excuse the giant wall of text. I have a lot to say.** + Show Spoiler + Okay, so a little bit back I mentioned I ordered a Logitech G1 from a Korean eBayer, and I got it today, and here are my thoughts on the mouse after a few hours of testing and a shoutout to the seller at the end for anyone else who wants one and wants to be sure it's legit (this seller is awesome!, I'll post his stuff at the end). I absolutely love the G1. There's literally no flaws I can find with it, it's perfect for me in every way possible. Firstly I'll start by saying I tested with Setpoint to confirm it's a genuine G1. My thoughts so far are that I vastly prefer it to the G9X, and prefer it by an even larger margin to the Death Adder. It took a bit of getting used to the weight and the texture but from what I can tell, it is quite a bit lighter feeling than my G9X (which I use without a grip and without weights or even the weight tray). Size wise, it is around the same, though a bit longer, but that's because it's a fully fleshed out mouse,The shiny texture was kinda sticky at first but now that I'm used to it I find it to be just fine. It feels very round compared to my G9, but that is likely due to the G9 not being designed to be used without a grip, hence the sharper edges. The scroll wheel on this mouse is much more comfortable to use and click than both my Death Adder and G9X, especially the G9X's awful scroll wheel, and pressing in Mouse 3 (IE the button associated with the scroll wheel) feels more consistent than both the G9X and DA. I'll admit I do miss the side buttons from my other mice for navigating web pages but I'm already used the kinda wonky back button beneath the scroll wheel. I love the main Mouse 1 and Mouse 2 buttons. I like that they are separate pieces of plastic, as my biggest pet peeve with many new mice is that the entire top of the mouse, including both buttons, is one piece of plastic, and I don't like that at all. I do notice with the G1 my grip has changed to more of a claw grip because that seems to work better with the buttons but it's not a big deal. In terms of actual performance, it has done quite well. I've done the usual tests with paint and tried it with a few key games (Obviously SC and SC2, along with BF2, CS and Osu), and it has done fine, it made nice smooth circles on paint, and the sensor is not at all jumpy, and feels smoother than any laser mouse I've used. I was initially concerned about how low the CPI/DPI was, but it actually is very comfortable to use with my triple monitor setup. Obviously you can't change DPI/CPI (which it has 1000 of, not 800 like they used to have), but within Setpoint you can do quite a bit more tinkering than I thought, though I didn't need to do any as it was quite comfortably set by default once Setpoint was installed. For a mouse I spent 20 bucks on, it feels just as precise as my G9X. Overall, I would actually happily recommend this mouse to anyone looking for a simple, no frills mouse that can get the job done. The fact that I prefer it to mice that are more than 4x it's price is a testament to how much I adore the G1. I never actually planned for it to replace my G9X, but instead I just bought it as a laptop mouse (I've given up on wireless after having 4 receivers break) but it is now definitely my main mouse, and I'll probably end up selling my G9X or putting it on our family computer. It's a real shame Logitech doesn't actively produce these anymore and that they can't be found easily outside of Asia. As soon as a summer job is secured, I will be buying a PC bang pack of these (which comes with 3) if they are still available. As for the seller, this was my first Ebay purchase so I was a little apprehensive but it went as smoothly as it could possibly go. The user I bought it from, K1Shop2010, was absolutely amazing to deal with for anyone interested in getting a G1 (his feedback is pretty much all positive, so I'm not alone). I don't know how he does it, but he shipped a mouse from Seoul to Saskatoon in less than 6 business days, even though he only promises 15-30 business days. I'm not kidding when I say he wrapped the mouse in a 10 foot roll of bubble wrap. When I first unpacked the package all I saw was a giant ball of bubble wrap. It was probably a 3-4 inch thick layer of bubble wrap around the mouse on all sides. Of course the mouse itself was nestled nicely in the middle with no possibility of damage. I was quite impressed overall with the seller and will definitely be buying from him again (he has a lot of really neat older mice. I might order a Salmosa from him eventually). Overall, I think it is absolutely worth it for a person to get a G1 if they are interested in them. For only around $25 with shipping, it's pretty hard to go wrong with such a solid mouse. If you want to get one though, get it soon, as the G100 is becoming more and more common and the G1 seems to be starting to get phased out. ahahaha, you think this is a wall of text, just wait till you see what I have coming ;P Anyway, I'm glad you like the G1 it's a great mouse from what I hear, it's too bad the G100 (successor-ish..) currently has tracking/jitter issues on higher cpi settings otherwise it might be a good mouse. | ||
cmh
United States88 Posts
On February 19 2012 02:17 wo1fwood wrote: ahahaha, you think this is a wall of text, just wait till you see what I have coming ;P Anyway, I'm glad you like the G1 it's a great mouse from what I hear, it's too bad the G100 (successor-ish..) currently has tracking/jitter issues on higher cpi settings otherwise it might be a good mouse. For Starcraft I don't think the g100 is that bad of a mouse. From 250 to 2500 dpi mine doesn't have any visble jitter on the Artisan Hayate. Of course in paint my Zowie AM's tracking looks much better, but my gameplay hasn't been affected while playing Starcraft 2 at 1450 cpi on the g100. If I was playing FPS games though I would perfer to use my Zowie AM. I would 've still used my G1, but 1000dpi is too low for me right now. I do wish Logitech put a better sensor in it though, because it has nice switches, a perfect shape, and I took the weight out making it light. Will see how it handles after a month of use. | ||
Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Previous mice: MX518, Microsoft sidewinder (with the vertical thumb buttons) a lachesis and a naga I bought it after my naga was starting to freak out (before SCII I was a hardcore MMOer, but the naga was just having a bad day or something, it still works fine) and read a smoldering review in PC gamer. At first, all seemed well. If you're a palmer, this mouse rocks. It's accurate, sturdy, feels like a tank in your hand, and can be conformed to almost any hand size. But it just didn't work for me. I tried everything, and over the past 8 months, I just pulled out my old naga and gave it another go, and will not be using my RAT7 again. My problem, is that I have a fingertip grip and hands that could palm a basketball. I also adjust my grip/pinkie position a LOT, and the RAT was just not working for me. Also, it's a HEAVY mouse. It's got a solid chassis and subsequently the concept of adding any of the weights to it is laughable. Build quality is superb, the thing fits your hand like the batsuit, but those mouse feet suck. buy teflon tape for this bugger. The power chord is too thick to work properly with the razer mouse bungee. It fits into the top piece, but won't fit in the lower two. This let me use it, but was kind of annoying. That all said, it has small mouse feet, and they're getting very gnarly, so when I get some teflon tape in the mail in the next few days, I'll put it on the RAT and give it one last go. But it's unfortunately just not the mouse for me, as I have a very unique method of holding my hand (most comfortable mouse I've had by far is the microsoft sidewinder, but it was a mouse ONLY built for people like me) --------------------------- New mouse question Aside from the deathadder, are there any other ZERO acceleration mice? Mouse acceleration has started driving me nuts. | ||
Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On February 19 2012 02:17 wo1fwood wrote: Thanks. The sensor thing was what stopped me from getting a G100. I know it's supposedly not a big deal but I'd rather not take the risk. I only used 1200 DPI on my G9X so the 200 DPI difference was barely even noticeable. The extremely light weight is by far my favourite thing so far.ahahaha, you think this is a wall of text, just wait till you see what I have coming ;P Anyway, I'm glad you like the G1 it's a great mouse from what I hear, it's too bad the G100 (successor-ish..) currently has tracking/jitter issues on higher cpi settings otherwise it might be a good mouse. | ||
lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On February 17 2012 18:07 poofie wrote: Is the side buttons pretty much the same as MS IE 1.1? + Show Spoiler + ![]() Been using this for 10+ years so im used to the weird side buttons and think i would like the Kana. If you're buying Kana make sure to get some Corepad Skatez. | ||
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