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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
January 25 2012 19:16 GMT
#501
On January 26 2012 01:18 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 00:29 MiyaviTeddy wrote:
On January 25 2012 23:39 TheToast wrote:
I'm going to wait a bit before I edit anything until it's really been confirmed by users that it is fixed.


I have the kinzu v2 PRO and so far, the update did me justice.
If it helps, http://www.overclock.net/t/1183274/kinzu-v2-kinzu-v2-pro-and-kana/870

Pages 88-94 show users on OCN and ms paint data that show this bug has been fixed, at least for them.


Personally, if there are still problems with the sensor above 3200 DPI/CPI, then the statement in the OP about SS failing to fix it is still accurate. Looks like some people are reporting problems similar to MetalLobster's assesment that there is still some jitter issues. Either way I'm going to let others a chance to chime in with their experience/opinions before I make any changes.

Unrelated, I'm going to get the Gigabyte mice on the list. Their M8000X claims to have 12,000 FPS and a maximum 6000DPI. So um... great if you're playing SC2 on a 52" TV I guess.


@.kv, what do you mean it gets dust around the sensor?


I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
January 25 2012 19:37 GMT
#502
On January 22 2012 05:28 cmh wrote:
...
I just tried the Sensei on a Zowie cloth pad that I have and you can definitely feel the difference that the Hayate makes! The acceleration is still pretty minimal on the Zowie pad, but on the Hayate I have trouble kowing that the acceleration is even there.

With what sensitivity do you play (CPI, windows and SC 2 settings, screen resolution)?
Could you test how fast you move your mouse when playing SC 2? (Download Enotus mouse test (no need to install, just run it), move your mouse 10 cm while pressing down a button and click on "Start" in the tab Speed and start playing; check the "Max speed" after playing.)
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
January 25 2012 19:40 GMT
#503
On January 25 2012 11:51 MetalLobster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
For those looking for an opinion about the new Steelseries Kana, I've just bought it and configured it the way I wanted, but I haven't had any play time as of yet.

In terms of feel, it is not the best. The is no place for my pinkie, so it's left rubbing against my mouse pad and when I claw the mouse, it's a bit uncomfortable on my ring finger. The good thing is that moving my ring finger up a bit so that it is right next to the right click button, makes it very comfortable but coming from using the CM Storm Spawn for so long, where claw gripping it is godly comfortable, I need time to get used to it. Another note worth mentioning is that I had to disable the right macro button because while using it casually, my ring finger would press it at times.

edit 1: just now had some weird issue where the mouse "jitters". Could be tracking issue or sensor issue, I don't know, will update if it happens again



So I've play around with it and despite the solid feel of the clicks and the scroll wheel, I'm going return this mouse because I simply cannot get over the grip I have to use. After a couple of hours, I've had the urge to re-connect my CM Storm Spawn because that was the mouse I've been using for the last eight months and it's unique design makes it hard for me to adjust. I've had a similar experience with the Deathadder as well, I simply cannot go from claw to palm.

Other than that, the clicks are solid and the scroll wheel is pretty good. I didn't use the software to much extent so you plan on recording macros, go read up a review. For the price, I think it's worth a look and If you are currently using a Deathadder and want to go Steelseries, the Kana might work for you.



Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
January 25 2012 20:25 GMT
#504
Is the Steelseries Sensei still like....the thing to have? Getting rid of my imperator.
MrBazinga
Profile Joined January 2012
32 Posts
January 25 2012 20:57 GMT
#505
On January 26 2012 03:56 .kv wrote:
[...]the only thing I hate is the dust issue around the sensor...idk if this is for all Razer but I keep getting dust around the sensor[...]


I have no clue if that particular Razer mouse has a sticker around the sensor, but if it does, you might want to remove it and see if it helps.

I had a first generation Lachesis (4000DPI) and also had that dust issue every now and then. What helped was to remove the sticker that was placed on the bottom, surrounding the sensor. It seems that either the glue or maybe some static from that sticker really attracted dust.

I think Razer even fixed this little problem with the "new" Lachesis (5600DPI), by not putting a sticker around the sensor in the first place.

Or you are just looking for an excuse to get yourself a new and shiny mousepad. In which case you can totally ignore what I just said ^^
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
January 25 2012 22:38 GMT
#506
On January 26 2012 04:37 IPS.Blue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 05:28 cmh wrote:
...
I just tried the Sensei on a Zowie cloth pad that I have and you can definitely feel the difference that the Hayate makes! The acceleration is still pretty minimal on the Zowie pad, but on the Hayate I have trouble kowing that the acceleration is even there.

With what sensitivity do you play (CPI, windows and SC 2 settings, screen resolution)?
Could you test how fast you move your mouse when playing SC 2? (Download Enotus mouse test (no need to install, just run it), move your mouse 10 cm while pressing down a button and click on "Start" in the tab Speed and start playing; check the "Max speed" after playing.)


[image loading]

Mouse: Steelseries Sensei @ 1000 Hz
Mousepad: Artisan Hayate SOFT M
CPI: 1200 CPI (1260 in SteelSeries Engine)
Windows Sens: 6/11 (with Enhance pointer precision off)
Starcraft 2 Sens: 51%
Screen Resolution: 1920x1080


I'm taking the Sensei back this week, after getting my Kinzu V2 Pro I prefer that much better for Starcraft. In size it feels closer to my Logitech G1/ Zowie Mico (which I loved for RTS games). Like the Sensei, the Kinzu V2 Pro has omron switches & a similar shape, but weighs much less & easier to fingertip grip. Even after disabling buttons 5 & 6 on the Sensei I was getting annoyed that I was hitting them frequently. If I do need side buttons in the future I have my Zowie AM that I can always use. I really like the Sensei and found it comfortable, but I can't justify keeping a $90 mouse in storage.

TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
January 25 2012 23:27 GMT
#507
^ artisan hayate high five
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
January 25 2012 23:46 GMT
#508
On January 22 2012 05:28 cmh wrote:
...
[image loading]

Mouse: Steelseries Sensei @ 1000 Hz
Mousepad: Artisan Hayate SOFT M
CPI: 1200 CPI (1260 in SteelSeries Engine)
Windows Sens: 6/11 (with Enhance pointer precision off)
Starcraft 2 Sens: 51%
Screen Resolution: 1920x1080
...

That is quite fast for an in-game value. Are you sure you didn't do some quick movements before the game to test the Enotus program? In that case the program would just memorize the fastest speed achieved during one of that exercise movements. You could try to move your hand as fast as you can using the Fingertip Grip and compare that value to your 2,31 m/s.
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 01:12:07
January 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#509
On January 26 2012 08:46 IPS.Blue wrote:
That is quite fast for an in-game value. Are you sure you didn't do some quick movements before the game to test the Enotus program? In that case the program would just memorize the fastest speed achieved during one of that exercise movements. You could try to move your hand as fast as you can using the Fingertip Grip and compare that value to your 2,31 m/s.


[image loading]

Sorry thats exactly what happened, I did the test three more time just to make sure that I got it right. This time with a fingertip grip and made sure to not do any rapid movements testing in the game.


Edit: This test was with 45% sens in Starcraft 2, I just realized this because I was messing around with the sensitivity yesterday on my Kinzu and forgot to change it back to 51%. I can't redo the test since the Sensei is already boxed up and ready for return.
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
January 26 2012 01:32 GMT
#510
On January 26 2012 09:28 cmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 08:46 IPS.Blue wrote:
That is quite fast for an in-game value. Are you sure you didn't do some quick movements before the game to test the Enotus program? In that case the program would just memorize the fastest speed achieved during one of that exercise movements. You could try to move your hand as fast as you can using the Fingertip Grip and compare that value to your 2,31 m/s.


[image loading]

Sorry thats exactly what happened, I did the test three more time just to make sure that I got it right. This time with a fingertip grip and made sure to not do any rapid movements testing in the game.


Edit: This test was with 45% sens in Starcraft 2, I just realized this because I was messing around with the sensitivity yesterday on my Kinzu and forgot to change it back to 51%. I can't redo the test since the Sensei is already boxed up and ready for return.

The 45 % make little difference (your 1260 CPI have just been lowered to about 1100). Thanks for your efforts
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
January 26 2012 07:10 GMT
#511
On January 25 2012 23:39 TheToast wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 22:51 rebdomine wrote:
I am in a bind. I love my Razer Imperator 4G's comfort factor. The mouse just feels so natural to hold. But I love my Razer Deathadder's sensor tracking experience better.

Do I stick with the comfort factor or the one with the better tracking?


Could always try pulling the guts out of the Deathadder and putting in in the imerator :D Aside from that I would say stick with comfort.



I'll probably try that when both no longer have any warranty lol.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
sawedust
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
January 26 2012 19:35 GMT
#512
Got a CM Storm Spawn and a Hien Soft coming in the next few days! Will be replacing my DeathAdder and QcK (which have served me wonderfully the past year or so). The Hien pads had a wicked 30 percent discount on them at Amazon; only 15 USD for some of the best pads on the market? Yes please!

Anyone else have/had this combination? Thoughts/comments?
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
January 27 2012 09:52 GMT
#513
Is it possible yet to disable acceleration on Steelseries mouses? Sensei specifically.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
January 27 2012 10:00 GMT
#514
On January 27 2012 18:52 Depetrify wrote:
Is it possible yet to disable acceleration on Steelseries mouses? Sensei specifically.

you can't
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
January 27 2012 15:38 GMT
#515
Hello TL!

I have dedicated most of my past week-end to finding a new mouse, something I'm rather obsessive about. I'm usually ready to go through a number of mice and, if they do not suit me, return them if they are still in pristine state or sell them on ebay otherwise. To make my choice I have relied a lot on the testimonies of fellow nerds around the world, including those inhabiting these fine forums, so I thought I'd contribute a little.

In this post I'm going to talk about the Razer Abyssus (standard and mirror), the Logitech M100, and the Logitech G300. My apologies in advance for the wall of text that is sure to follow.

I like small and light mice for a fingertip kind of grip, preferably without side buttons. My game of choice is Starcraft 2. My mousepad is an old but trusty Speedpad Anthracite (it seems to be sold under numerous brands, I can't remember mine). In this past decade I have gone from an Intellimouse 1.1a to a Logitech G1 to a Razer Diamondback 3G the scroll wheel of which has recently died on me after a little more than three years of use, prompting my search for a successor.

Although disappointed that the mouse "only" lasted three years (a decent number I guess considering my intensive use of it, but paling in comparison to the Intellimouse and the G1 which I have given to relatives and which are still going strong), I thought I'd have another go at a Razer mouse since the Diamondback was so satisfying in all other respects.

I looked at Razer's current lineup of mice and found that its only small and light mouse seemed to be the Abyssus. I first went for the "mirror edition", the one with a glossy finish, since I'm easily impressed by shiny things. I could not stand it.
Nearly everything about it was perfect. It glided well; it was the first time I ever tried a mouse that could go over 1800 dpi so setting it to 3200 dpi and then lowering the sensitivity for better precision was a rather exhilarating feeling, and the buttons were easy to push and responsive. Unfortunately, the "glossy" finish made it sticky and the mouse quickly began to feel hot in my hand after holding for just a few minutes. Also, the razer software was buggy; it automatically increased the number of lines each scroll wheel increment scrolled through on each windows startup (3 became 10, and if you left it that way 10 became 30...), an issue a quick google search will tell you is shared by many users. This is a minor point, however, as the Razer software is not necessary for optimal usage of the mouse.

Since the glossy plastic seemed to be the only problem with the mirror Abyssus, I thought the standard one would be perfect for me, but that was not the case. Once again, everything about it was excellent, except this time the buttons turned out to be very stiff. By that, I mean you have to apply quite a bit of pressure for them to register your command, which quickly becomes annoying.

At that point I decided to look for a non-Razer mouse. All their other mice looked huge, and I had become disenchanted with that brand. The only product I had bought from them had ceased to function much quicker than those I had purchased from its competitors; I did not understand how their software could still be buggy more than one year after release, and I couldn't get over that special "mirror" edition since I can't imagine how anyone would find its texture superior in any way. ("hey here is the special edition of our latest mouse, and by special we mean shitty.") I might be nit-picky but that was enough for me to look elsewhere.

I turned my attention to the Logitech mice my store of choice held, and was dismayed to notice its only small mouse seemed to be their low-end, 10€ worth, Logitech M100. Still I looked for feedback from fellow TLers and was surprised to find a lot of praise in its favor and therefore decided to bring one home with me. Unfortunately, my experience with it was quite horrendous. I don't know if mine was faulty or if the people who like it are only those who came from the Mini Optical, but I found that it didn't glide well, that it lacked precision, and that its texture was not all that pleasant (not as bad as the mirror Abyssus but not nearly as good as the standard Abyssus or the Diamondback).

Now growing more and more desperate and thinking that I'd have to settle for a big mouse, I went back to the store and studied every mouse they had, putting my hand over each one of them while still in their packaging, looking for one that didn't feel as bad to hold as the others while looking utterly stupid in the process (oh well, haters gonna hate).

I realized that the Logitech G300 was not as big as I had initially thought. I had previously discarded it because its shape suggested to me that it was a palm grip kind of mouse, but I now realized that it wasn't. The R.A.T. mice also looked appealing but I settled on the G300 purely because of my fond memories of the G1.

Well, I'm very happy with this mouse and this post is getting rather longish so I'm just gonna list the pros and cons and wrap this up:

+excellent texture, on the top *and* on the sides (which is not the case of the Abyssus, even the standard one has glossy plastic on the sides)
+smooth gliding
+responsive buttons
+two pretty LEDs that can go from red to green to blue at the touch of one of the many additional buttons. Now, as a shallow Frenchman, I find simply being able to change the color of the mouse enough to warrant the presence of a button dedicated to it, but it turns out you can save three different settings profiles in the mouse's memory and the color tells you which one you are currently using
+great customization. You can set the DPI through 50dpi increments (but it only goes up to 2500); you can separate the dpi of the X axis from the dpi of the Y axis; you can change the dpi on the fly with one of the additional buttons, and you can chose how many dpi levels you want to have at your disposal (up to five) etc.

-the only con is its schizophrenic shape. Its shape suggests palm grip but its size says fingertip or claw grip. There's a certain awkwardness to controlling this mouse at first because of that but I ceased to notice it after about one hour of use.

Also, the sensor is not located at the center of the mouse. I've heard people lamenting that but I personally can't see any difference.

Overall I'm really loving this mouse and I'd recommend it to anyone who likes small mice. I'm sorry I couldn't go more in depth about the customization and the additional buttons (6 in total), but I just don't use these fancy doodads.

If you had the courage of going through this post and have any question I'll be happy to oblige. I obviously still have the G300 at my disposal, but also the M100 and the standard Abyssus for a week until the auction is over if you want me to test anything.

Cheers.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
Pughy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Wales662 Posts
January 27 2012 15:50 GMT
#516
Hey guys. I've been thinking of changing mouse, I currently have a razer abyssus and 2bh it bores me. I'm not a huge fan of the build quality and I would prefere something bigger.

I'm not really uptodate with mice so could people recommend some nice mice?

I'm looking for something bigger then the abyssus with like this zero acceleration stuff and a nice build quality.

Ones I was interested were the SS Xai and Zowie EC1, the Xai looks good but has acceleration and I have no idea about the EC1.

So yeah any comments/advice would be sick!!
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b4kill
Profile Joined December 2010
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 17:00:21
January 27 2012 17:00 GMT
#517
hey, is the steelseries sensei/xai (since they are pretty much identical) good for claw gripping?
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 17:45:55
January 27 2012 17:45 GMT
#518
On January 28 2012 02:00 b4kill wrote:
hey, is the steelseries sensei/xai (since they are pretty much identical) good for claw gripping?


There's no good answer to this, everyone's hands are different and everyone grips their mouse slightly different. Usually for a claw grip you want a shorter mouse without much arch or ergonomic slant; a good example is the Razer Spectre or the Razer Lachesis. SS Xai and Sensei are both Ambidextrous mice that have pretty pronouced arching in their design; in general good for a palm or finger-tip grip. But again, it totally depends on your hands and what you find comfort.

Check out the wo1fwood's guide in the OP, it compares size and weight for many popular mice; that may help give you an idea what the mice are like. OP has full specs and pics on just about every mouse listed now, so that may help you too.

On January 28 2012 00:38 Demicore wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello TL!

I have dedicated most of my past week-end to finding a new mouse, something I'm rather obsessive about. I'm usually ready to go through a number of mice and, if they do not suit me, return them if they are still in pristine state or sell them on ebay otherwise. To make my choice I have relied a lot on the testimonies of fellow nerds around the world, including those inhabiting these fine forums, so I thought I'd contribute a little.

In this post I'm going to talk about the Razer Abyssus (standard and mirror), the Logitech M100, and the Logitech G300. My apologies in advance for the wall of text that is sure to follow.

I like small and light mice for a fingertip kind of grip, preferably without side buttons. My game of choice is Starcraft 2. My mousepad is an old but trusty Speedpad Anthracite (it seems to be sold under numerous brands, I can't remember mine). In this past decade I have gone from an Intellimouse 1.1a to a Logitech G1 to a Razer Diamondback 3G the scroll wheel of which has recently died on me after a little more than three years of use, prompting my search for a successor.

Although disappointed that the mouse "only" lasted three years (a decent number I guess considering my intensive use of it, but paling in comparison to the Intellimouse and the G1 which I have given to relatives and which are still going strong), I thought I'd have another go at a Razer mouse since the Diamondback was so satisfying in all other respects.

I looked at Razer's current lineup of mice and found that its only small and light mouse seemed to be the Abyssus. I first went for the "mirror edition", the one with a glossy finish, since I'm easily impressed by shiny things. I could not stand it.
Nearly everything about it was perfect. It glided well; it was the first time I ever tried a mouse that could go over 1800 dpi so setting it to 3200 dpi and then lowering the sensitivity for better precision was a rather exhilarating feeling, and the buttons were easy to push and responsive. Unfortunately, the "glossy" finish made it sticky and the mouse quickly began to feel hot in my hand after holding for just a few minutes. Also, the razer software was buggy; it automatically increased the number of lines each scroll wheel increment scrolled through on each windows startup (3 became 10, and if you left it that way 10 became 30...), an issue a quick google search will tell you is shared by many users. This is a minor point, however, as the Razer software is not necessary for optimal usage of the mouse.

Since the glossy plastic seemed to be the only problem with the mirror Abyssus, I thought the standard one would be perfect for me, but that was not the case. Once again, everything about it was excellent, except this time the buttons turned out to be very stiff. By that, I mean you have to apply quite a bit of pressure for them to register your command, which quickly becomes annoying.

At that point I decided to look for a non-Razer mouse. All their other mice looked huge, and I had become disenchanted with that brand. The only product I had bought from them had ceased to function much quicker than those I had purchased from its competitors; I did not understand how their software could still be buggy more than one year after release, and I couldn't get over that special "mirror" edition since I can't imagine how anyone would find its texture superior in any way. ("hey here is the special edition of our latest mouse, and by special we mean shitty.") I might be nit-picky but that was enough for me to look elsewhere.

I turned my attention to the Logitech mice my store of choice held, and was dismayed to notice its only small mouse seemed to be their low-end, 10€ worth, Logitech M100. Still I looked for feedback from fellow TLers and was surprised to find a lot of praise in its favor and therefore decided to bring one home with me. Unfortunately, my experience with it was quite horrendous. I don't know if mine was faulty or if the people who like it are only those who came from the Mini Optical, but I found that it didn't glide well, that it lacked precision, and that its texture was not all that pleasant (not as bad as the mirror Abyssus but not nearly as good as the standard Abyssus or the Diamondback).

Now growing more and more desperate and thinking that I'd have to settle for a big mouse, I went back to the store and studied every mouse they had, putting my hand over each one of them while still in their packaging, looking for one that didn't feel as bad to hold as the others while looking utterly stupid in the process (oh well, haters gonna hate).

I realized that the Logitech G300 was not as big as I had initially thought. I had previously discarded it because its shape suggested to me that it was a palm grip kind of mouse, but I now realized that it wasn't. The R.A.T. mice also looked appealing but I settled on the G300 purely because of my fond memories of the G1.

Well, I'm very happy with this mouse and this post is getting rather longish so I'm just gonna list the pros and cons and wrap this up:

+excellent texture, on the top *and* on the sides (which is not the case of the Abyssus, even the standard one has glossy plastic on the sides)
+smooth gliding
+responsive buttons
+two pretty LEDs that can go from red to green to blue at the touch of one of the many additional buttons. Now, as a shallow Frenchman, I find simply being able to change the color of the mouse enough to warrant the presence of a button dedicated to it, but it turns out you can save three different settings profiles in the mouse's memory and the color tells you which one you are currently using
+great customization. You can set the DPI through 50dpi increments (but it only goes up to 2500); you can separate the dpi of the X axis from the dpi of the Y axis; you can change the dpi on the fly with one of the additional buttons, and you can chose how many dpi levels you want to have at your disposal (up to five) etc.

-the only con is its schizophrenic shape. Its shape suggests palm grip but its size says fingertip or claw grip. There's a certain awkwardness to controlling this mouse at first because of that but I ceased to notice it after about one hour of use.

Also, the sensor is not located at the center of the mouse. I've heard people lamenting that but I personally can't see any difference.

Overall I'm really loving this mouse and I'd recommend it to anyone who likes small mice. I'm sorry I couldn't go more in depth about the customization and the additional buttons (6 in total), but I just don't use these fancy doodads.

If you had the courage of going through this post and have any question I'll be happy to oblige. I obviously still have the G300 at my disposal, but also the M100 and the standard Abyssus for a week until the auction is over if you want me to test anything.

Cheers.


Wow, nice write up. I'm going to add some of this into the OP. The G300 does look cool, since SS seem to have lots of issues I've been looking at the G300 or G400 for myself....

On the M100, it's not really designed as a gaming mouse. SpoR's original point about the thing is that it is a cheap alternative to a gaming mouse that still has decent DPI/CPI and tracking. For $9.99 (actually like $6-7 on Amazon) you get what you get.

On January 28 2012 00:50 Pughy wrote:
Hey guys. I've been thinking of changing mouse, I currently have a razer abyssus and 2bh it bores me. I'm not a huge fan of the build quality and I would prefere something bigger.

I'm not really uptodate with mice so could people recommend some nice mice?

I'm looking for something bigger then the abyssus with like this zero acceleration stuff and a nice build quality.

Ones I was interested were the SS Xai and Zowie EC1, the Xai looks good but has acceleration and I have no idea about the EC1.

So yeah any comments/advice would be sick!!


For a bigger mouse, G400 may be the way to go. It's about the same size as a MS intellimouse but with much better everything. The G300 that Demicore was talking about may fit what you are looking for too. Tbh, I don't know much about the Zowie EC1/EC2 either, I'd be interested to hear some opinions as well.



On another note, I'm almost finished adding in specs and pics to the OP, I think my next "project" is going to be adding a sortable list based on size/type/DPI/price (details not yet all worked out ) that may help narrow down what your looking at.


I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
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January 27 2012 20:41 GMT
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On January 28 2012 00:38 Demicore wrote:
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Hello TL!

I have dedicated most of my past week-end to finding a new mouse, something I'm rather obsessive about. I'm usually ready to go through a number of mice and, if they do not suit me, return them if they are still in pristine state or sell them on ebay otherwise. To make my choice I have relied a lot on the testimonies of fellow nerds around the world, including those inhabiting these fine forums, so I thought I'd contribute a little.

In this post I'm going to talk about the Razer Abyssus (standard and mirror), the Logitech M100, and the Logitech G300. My apologies in advance for the wall of text that is sure to follow.

I like small and light mice for a fingertip kind of grip, preferably without side buttons. My game of choice is Starcraft 2. My mousepad is an old but trusty Speedpad Anthracite (it seems to be sold under numerous brands, I can't remember mine). In this past decade I have gone from an Intellimouse 1.1a to a Logitech G1 to a Razer Diamondback 3G the scroll wheel of which has recently died on me after a little more than three years of use, prompting my search for a successor.

Although disappointed that the mouse "only" lasted three years (a decent number I guess considering my intensive use of it, but paling in comparison to the Intellimouse and the G1 which I have given to relatives and which are still going strong), I thought I'd have another go at a Razer mouse since the Diamondback was so satisfying in all other respects.

I looked at Razer's current lineup of mice and found that its only small and light mouse seemed to be the Abyssus. I first went for the "mirror edition", the one with a glossy finish, since I'm easily impressed by shiny things. I could not stand it.
Nearly everything about it was perfect. It glided well; it was the first time I ever tried a mouse that could go over 1800 dpi so setting it to 3200 dpi and then lowering the sensitivity for better precision was a rather exhilarating feeling, and the buttons were easy to push and responsive. Unfortunately, the "glossy" finish made it sticky and the mouse quickly began to feel hot in my hand after holding for just a few minutes. Also, the razer software was buggy; it automatically increased the number of lines each scroll wheel increment scrolled through on each windows startup (3 became 10, and if you left it that way 10 became 30...), an issue a quick google search will tell you is shared by many users. This is a minor point, however, as the Razer software is not necessary for optimal usage of the mouse.

Since the glossy plastic seemed to be the only problem with the mirror Abyssus, I thought the standard one would be perfect for me, but that was not the case. Once again, everything about it was excellent, except this time the buttons turned out to be very stiff. By that, I mean you have to apply quite a bit of pressure for them to register your command, which quickly becomes annoying.

At that point I decided to look for a non-Razer mouse. All their other mice looked huge, and I had become disenchanted with that brand. The only product I had bought from them had ceased to function much quicker than those I had purchased from its competitors; I did not understand how their software could still be buggy more than one year after release, and I couldn't get over that special "mirror" edition since I can't imagine how anyone would find its texture superior in any way. ("hey here is the special edition of our latest mouse, and by special we mean shitty.") I might be nit-picky but that was enough for me to look elsewhere.

I turned my attention to the Logitech mice my store of choice held, and was dismayed to notice its only small mouse seemed to be their low-end, 10€ worth, Logitech M100. Still I looked for feedback from fellow TLers and was surprised to find a lot of praise in its favor and therefore decided to bring one home with me. Unfortunately, my experience with it was quite horrendous. I don't know if mine was faulty or if the people who like it are only those who came from the Mini Optical, but I found that it didn't glide well, that it lacked precision, and that its texture was not all that pleasant (not as bad as the mirror Abyssus but not nearly as good as the standard Abyssus or the Diamondback).

Now growing more and more desperate and thinking that I'd have to settle for a big mouse, I went back to the store and studied every mouse they had, putting my hand over each one of them while still in their packaging, looking for one that didn't feel as bad to hold as the others while looking utterly stupid in the process (oh well, haters gonna hate).

I realized that the Logitech G300 was not as big as I had initially thought. I had previously discarded it because its shape suggested to me that it was a palm grip kind of mouse, but I now realized that it wasn't. The R.A.T. mice also looked appealing but I settled on the G300 purely because of my fond memories of the G1.

Well, I'm very happy with this mouse and this post is getting rather longish so I'm just gonna list the pros and cons and wrap this up:

+excellent texture, on the top *and* on the sides (which is not the case of the Abyssus, even the standard one has glossy plastic on the sides)
+smooth gliding
+responsive buttons
+two pretty LEDs that can go from red to green to blue at the touch of one of the many additional buttons. Now, as a shallow Frenchman, I find simply being able to change the color of the mouse enough to warrant the presence of a button dedicated to it, but it turns out you can save three different settings profiles in the mouse's memory and the color tells you which one you are currently using
+great customization. You can set the DPI through 50dpi increments (but it only goes up to 2500); you can separate the dpi of the X axis from the dpi of the Y axis; you can change the dpi on the fly with one of the additional buttons, and you can chose how many dpi levels you want to have at your disposal (up to five) etc.

-the only con is its schizophrenic shape. Its shape suggests palm grip but its size says fingertip or claw grip. There's a certain awkwardness to controlling this mouse at first because of that but I ceased to notice it after about one hour of use.

Also, the sensor is not located at the center of the mouse. I've heard people lamenting that but I personally can't see any difference.

Overall I'm really loving this mouse and I'd recommend it to anyone who likes small mice. I'm sorry I couldn't go more in depth about the customization and the additional buttons (6 in total), but I just don't use these fancy doodads.

If you had the courage of going through this post and have any question I'll be happy to oblige. I obviously still have the G300 at my disposal, but also the M100 and the standard Abyssus for a week until the auction is over if you want me to test anything.

Cheers.
I would actually suggest if you liked the size of the M100 and have access to the Asia market (or ebay :D) to take a look at the Logitech G100. It's only sold in Asia/Korea atm, but it would be amazing if they decided to start shipping to EU or AM. It seems that there are some slight jitter issues, but that seems to be the only issue so far.

Skylit's OCN thread

Logitech G100 on eBay

Edit: so the G100 is basically the same size as the mx300 and G1 at 115x60x33mm.
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January 27 2012 23:39 GMT
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looking forward to hearing what tt1 has to say about the g100
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