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Medrea
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Deleted User 135096
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On January 29 2012 10:58 Depetrify wrote: That fact that its so cheap makes me feel like its worse than most of the other mice in this thread o,.o I wouldn't worry about price, but rather look at the build quality and performance. Coming from experience, Logitech has always had very good build quality, there's a reason why some people are still using their MX518 or G1s even today. Also, a lot of 'gaming' mice are overpriced for the performance they give. For instance, allow me to quote iNkind from ESReality about the Microsoft WMO 1.1a: The mouse that won, ESWC 2005, CPL Winter 2005, WSVG Dreamhack, Intel Summer Championship, WSVG UK, WSVG Grand Finals, WCG 2006, KODE5, Quakecon 2006..... You can buy this mouse on Newegg for ~$12 USD, and it will outperform a lot of current mice that are in upwards of $35-65 more than the WMO. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:57 wo1fwood wrote: Also, I just re-tooled the visual data sheet I've been working on. I've attached the updated one. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JPoyM.png) Mice Added: SS Kinzu V2, SS Kana, Mionix Naos 5000, Zowie AM, Zowie EC1+2 You sir, are awesome. On January 29 2012 06:14 SixSongs wrote: You should post Logitech G3, the best mouse I've ever had. Better than any razer, or microsoft. Logitech G3 is discontinued, and as a rule I'm not adding discontinued mice to the list. While I realize you could probably find one on ebay, if I start adding every good mouse that's every been made the list is going to get absurdly long. The discontinued ones were put on the list before they were discontinued (not sure why I put the mx518 on the list...) so I have since just marked them as such as opposed to just deleting them. At some point I will clear them off or maybe add an additional section. On January 29 2012 05:43 Depetrify wrote: ok... best non razer mouse for sc2 without acceleration? There is no such thing as a "best mouse". For playing an RTS you will want a mouse with a higher DPI/CPI (i.e. probably not an MS Intellimouse) that glides well. Everything else beyond that is totally dependent on you. Everyone has different shaped hands and grips their mouse differently. Someone with smaller hands might find the SS Kinzu makes a good palm grip mouse, someone with bigger hands likely would not. Figure out what grip style you prefer (see the Razer Ergonomics guide linked in the OP) and what size mouse you prefer (see wo1fwood's guide a few posts up). On January 28 2012 08:46 mTwTT1 wrote: still waiting on it, btw hihi welcome to tl ~ and ur from iran! i already know that the mouse is gonna suck cus everyone has told me that it jitters alot, im pretty sure logitech is gonna come out with a firmware fix for it tho so the only thing that i took into consideration when buying the mouse was its shape i also just ordered an abyssus, should arrive in a few days(LOL damn ive been spending so much $ recently, bought a realforce board, 2x noppoo choc mini's, 2x g400's, a da, a abyssus, a g100, a g9x, a bunch of PBT caps, some custom made ABS keycaps, a filco board and a zowie ec2) Please let us know what your thoughts are on these when you get them, especially on the construction quality of the abyssus; that's something I've heard a lot of complaints about. I think it would be very helpful for a lot of people to hear the opinions of someone who literally uses a gaming mouse in their job  On January 28 2012 05:41 wo1fwood wrote: I would actually suggest if you liked the size of the M100 and have access to the Asia market (or ebay :D) to take a look at the Logitech G100. It's only sold in Asia/Korea atm, but it would be amazing if they decided to start shipping to EU or AM. It seems that there are some slight jitter issues, but that seems to be the only issue so far. Skylit's OCN thread Logitech G100 on eBay Edit: so the G100 is basically the same size as the mx300 and G1 at 115x60x33mm. LOGITECH PLEASE THAT HERE NOW!!!! Looks so good. No one is really making a good ambidextrous mouse without acceleration or construction issues (abyssus) right now. I would love to give that thing a try. Looks like there was a seller on Amazon but they are unsurprisingly sold out. On January 29 2012 05:39 JKM wrote: Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but I'm having some problems with my mouse (Logitech G500). Sometimes I have short bursts of mouse-lag in SC2, where I lose any control over the cursor for ½-3 seconds after which it returns to normal (trying to enact whatever movements, selections etc. I made). I changed to this mouse recently and it wasnt a problem with my old mouse (Logitech mx518). Any ideas what the cause could be? PS. Sorry I cant describe the problem in greater detail, but I cant force it to happen and when it happens im usually busy in the game :O. I could be an issue with falty mouse hardware, could also be an issue with Windows, or an issue with drivers. Are you using Logitech's latest drivers or the base Windows drivers? | ||
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Depetrify
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On January 29 2012 11:23 wo1fwood wrote: I wouldn't worry about price, but rather look at the build quality and performance. Coming from experience, Logitech has always had very good build quality, there's a reason why some people are still using their MX518 or G1s even today. Also, a lot of 'gaming' mice are overpriced for the performance they give. For instance, allow me to quote iNkind from ESReality about the Microsoft WMO 1.1a: You can buy this mouse on Newegg for ~$12 USD, and it will outperform a lot of current mice that are in upwards of $35-65 more than the WMO. So you're saying G400 is better than all other Logitech mouses? Most of them are more expensive.. G5.. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/gaming-mouse-g500 What are the flaws with that mouse? Does it have acceleration built in? | ||
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Dubsys
Australia122 Posts
Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0 - 10/10 Really, the best mouse i have ever owned. I'm not sure why i didn't just replace it with another one. I've owned it for 3 years and it hasn't let me down at all, it's sturdy and it tracks amazingly on every surface I've put it on. got replacement feet after a year from puretrak and it felt even nicer than when i first bought it. Logitech G5 - 4/10 Left click broke after 6 months. i found that tracking was very sensitive to hair. took me a long time to get used to using it. Logitech G500 - 6/10 Tracks better than the G5, seems to have some form of forced correction. clicks feel sturdy. used it for about a week before selling it for $20 to a friend. Note: i never used drivers for Logitech mice because it felt as if they used too much memory and were fairly hard to deal with. Razer/Microsoft Habu - 4/10 it felt amazing like the ie 3.0, it tracked well and it worked well but it broke again after 6 months. this time the cable seemed to have broken at the connection from the mouse to the usb cable. the left click also sometimes double clicked. Razer Diamondback - 8/10 The first gaming mouse i ever purchased. it felt great, the feet glided on almost any surface, the laser tracked well and didn't seem to have any form of correction, the drivers worked fairly easily. replaced it because i broke it at a LAN via rage. Steelseries Sensei - 9/10 Doesn't feel as amazing as the ie 3.0 ever did. i have it set at 800cpi/1000hz and exactlift at 7% every other setting as off. It tracks perfectly on my razer mantis control (which I've had for every mouse I've owned) the clicks feel solid, abeit loud. and the ambidextrous design should be good for anybody looking for a decent mouse. I've hit the CPI change button once or twice on accident but it's easy to fix because you don't need to flip your mouse and press a button or anything crazy like that. also, PINK LED'S and it's incredibly aesthetically pleasing conclusion: buy an ie 3.0 it's great unless you're gaming at 2560×1600 or something, then get a mouse with a higher dpi/cpi. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
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On January 29 2012 12:45 Depetrify wrote: Again, it's dangerous to judge a mouse by it's price. The Mamba while being stupidly expensive, I'll bet it doesn't perform nearly as well as the Deathadder or the Abyssus which are less than half the price. So you're saying G400 is better than all other Logitech mouses? Most of them are more expensive.. G5.. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/gaming-mouse-g500 What are the flaws with that mouse? Does it have acceleration built in? I wouldn't exactly say that the G400 is the best per se, the G9x for example is a pretty decent mouse from what I understand, but it is a much different shape and more suitable for those with either smaller hands or claw/fingertip users. Same would be the case with the G1(drastically different shape/size). As for the G500, it uses the Avago 9500 and has some noticeable +/- accel issues while the 3080E in the G400 has perfect PtP (point to point) tracking. The G500 is also going to be heavier than the G400 by about 20g, but it also has more buttons and weight tuning and a higher max cpi. Another thing would be the sensor position on the G500 is much further forward than then G400 (centered is best), but that may be too nitpicky for some. Before the very recent update, the G500 had the ability to turn off prediction, but the latest builds of the G400 have fixed that according to the Logitech rep. Anyway a lot of what this comes down to is preference (features, grip, what games you play), and on paper I'd give the definite edge to the G400, but in the end it's your decision (for example, the side buttons on the G500 would annoy me to no end). | ||
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nad3r
Iran8 Posts
On January 29 2012 11:40 TheToast wrote: Please let us know what your thoughts are on these when you get them, especially on the construction quality of the abyssus; that's something I've heard a lot of complaints about. im curious what construction issues you are referring too, seems like a pretty solid mouse to me... im also curious if anyone has any thoughts/experience with the zowie am mouse | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:56 Kluey wrote: Deathadder or Abyssus? I really like the forward/back buttons on the side as I am use to them but many people have recommended the Abyssus. Depends on your grip. Are you a palm or a fingertip user? If you're a palm, DeathAdder. If you're a fingertip, you might want to look at the Abyssus. | ||
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stickyhands
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On January 29 2012 06:14 SixSongs wrote: You should post Logitech G3, the best mouse I've ever had. Better than any razer, or microsoft. ![[image loading]](http://static.productreview.com.au/pr.products/74383_logitech_g3_laser.jpg) héhé, i still have one bro no accel, no prediction, but the g3 dont track perfectly on all mousepad, i have sometimes problems with my Qpad CT but its very rare. You can still find it on ebay, or on the "korean ebay" (forgot the name) some vendor ship internationally. | ||
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Kerwin
United States220 Posts
My first question is about the legitmacy of this mouse in competitive play. I've never seen a progamer with this mouse, and was wondering if it would be prevented from competitive play at all. Since I've played with this mouse for so long, I've gotten accustomed to binding certain control groups with the number pad on the side and I'm starting to think that this is developing bad mechanics. I don't use any macros with the buttons, just use them as 1-0 for control groups. If this mouse is legit (or if using the number pad on the sides is) then I imagine getting better at mechanics binding groups this way is fine (because I'll always be able to use my own mouse), but just curious. I also had a question about the claw vs fingertip grip. The Naga pretty much demands a claw grip because your thumb has to be pretty far up the left side to hit the thumb buttons. My question is if the claw grip is worse for my carpal tunnel than a fingertip grip would be. My carpal tunnel isn't super bad, it kinda comes and goes. Thanks for anyone taking a look at this and assuaging my OCD thoughts about the mouse I use. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 28 2012 18:47 Depetrify wrote: Since there is still no way to turn off the Sensei's acceleration, would the G9x be the next best thing for SC2? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261 The Sensei has the best implementation of the 9500 yet. According to Skylit from Overclock.net (the expert on mice), the acceleration starts to kick in at movements with a speed of around 30-40 IPS (0,8-1,2 m/s). According to cmh, the acceleration can get lowered (down to 1-3 %), when using a good mouse pad (like the Artisan Hayate). If you want to find out if you move your mouse fast enough, to trigger the acceleration, try this: Download Enotus mouse test (no need to install, just run it), move your mouse 10 cm while pressing down a button and click on "Start" in the tab Speed and start playing; check the "Max speed" after playing.). | ||
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Dephy
Lithuania163 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
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Vigor
Canada77 Posts
 (((((((((((( but im able to use the buttons to navigate the LCD screen so like the buttons arent dead or anything. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On January 31 2012 01:44 Vigor wrote: Still dealing with my XAI issue was curious if anyone on TL has experienced it, i kno it has the bios issues with certain mobo's but over all i dotn care about just disconnecting to get it to work now for some reason when i connect it nothing on the mouse works other then the LCD screen and windows 7 detects as a steel series gaming device nothing the cursor is not responsive and no buttons respond with the computer (((((((((((( but im able to use the buttons to navigate the LCD screen so like the buttons arent dead or anything.I'm not sure I understand. Maybe we can try this again with actual sentences? It sounds like a driver issue to me, but could just as easily be a faulty/dead mouse. @wo1fwood that looks so awesome. Editing in now! | ||
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Vigor
Canada77 Posts
okay so On this current PC im running windows 7 64bit, i plug in the xai and it doesnt do the usual "installing drivers" etc for the mouse, and nothing works with the mouse no movements etc, no buttons work, now i just used it on my brothers pc and i connected the xai and it started dling the drivers etc for the computer but his is a windows vista OS-edit and yes ive downloaded the drivers manually trouble shooting almost everything on this mouse, that steelseries's FAQ answers and things ive found on google, now outta ideas specially after i plugged into my brothers comp and it instantly worked ) | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 31 2012 02:01 Vigor wrote: ... -edit and yes ive downloaded the drivers manually trouble shooting almost everything on this mouse, that steelseries's FAQ answers and things ive found on google, now outta ideas specially after i plugged into my brothers comp and it instantly worked )This won't help you, but many Xai users do experience problems like your's. The Xai has many, many features, which make it prone to errors ... | ||
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PHOEIVIX
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Video of Stream skip to 18:40 Here's a screencap of him using the settings + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yoKnf.png) Is it a secret that only IM know? Is it something to do with Korean computers? Is it something to do with Streaming? Yes i'm new to sc2. I just got a new mouse and was looking up some settings to try out to see how they feel for me. I felt like making a new thread for this because there's a lot of information in my post but after reading the guidelines I posted here. Sorry for the length. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
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On January 31 2012 03:26 PHOEIVIX wrote: http://www.overclock.net/t/173255/cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide, read sections 1.2 and 1.3 for a good description of the problem and why anything other than 6/11 introduces tracking inaccuracies. We also don't know what Nestea is doing with Setpoint (is he bypassing it, has he messed with the settings, is it even installed), and that may be a contributing factor. My guess is that he only has 1000cpi to work with (korean G1) and likely needs ~1200cpi to feel more comfortable. Vigor: I'm still confused, so you plugged it into another PC and it worked (as in you moved it around)? You may want to try to go to device manager and delete the usb mouse driver in there (HID compliant device or the like), and then try to re-scan for changes to see if windows registers the mouse. Also, I just recently overclocked my USB polling rate incorrectly for an older mouse, which rendered the USB port inoperable (fixed that by the same device manager thing). | ||
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