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JC0N
United States41 Posts
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cmh
United States88 Posts
On January 31 2012 03:26 PHOEIVIX wrote: Hey I saw NesTea using 7/11 in mouse sensitivity while on stream in the IM house. Is this some sort of secret or am I wrong in thinking the thread and guide on liquipedia say that 7/11 is bad? Video of Stream skip to 18:40 Here's a screencap of him using the settings + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yoKnf.png) Is it a secret that only IM know? Is it something to do with Korean computers? Is it something to do with Streaming? Yes i'm new to sc2. I just got a new mouse and was looking up some settings to try out to see how they feel for me. I felt like making a new thread for this because there's a lot of information in my post but after reading the guidelines I posted here. Sorry for the length. Yea I also saw him use 70% sens in Starcraft 2 and on another day streaming at the IM house he had it lower. I don't think he is really concerned about the technical aspects like many people are. Many koreans are using lower dpi mice like the G1 so they may perfer to have higher sensitivity by raising the mouse slider a couple notches. From a techninal side you will skip pixels but I'm sure NesTea is more focused on Starcraft 2 to even concern himself with specifics like having a 1:1 ratio. MKP and MVP also use the G9X which has a ton of positive acceleration, I'm sure they are comfortable using it where some people would refuse to ever recommend it due to this flaw. Basically I think Nestea puts more effort into concentrating on the game then trying to find out more about his mouse sensor and settings. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On January 31 2012 02:01 Vigor wrote: sorry been up for 24hours  okay so On this current PC im running windows 7 64bit, i plug in the xai and it doesnt do the usual "installing drivers" etc for the mouse, and nothing works with the mouse no movements etc, no buttons work, now i just used it on my brothers pc and i connected the xai and it started dling the drivers etc for the computer but his is a windows vista OS-edit and yes ive downloaded the drivers manually trouble shooting almost everything on this mouse, that steelseries's FAQ answers and things ive found on google, now outta ideas specially after i plugged into my brothers comp and it instantly worked )Apparently you can completely reset the thing, I would give that a try if you have not done so yet: http://faq.steelseries.com/questions/157/I'm experiencing issues with the software{47}firmware on my Xai. Is there a way for me to reset the mouse? After that you should try contacting SS support, they have a customer contact link on their page. If they can't help you, I would say return the thing. | ||
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johax
Sweden165 Posts
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eatfoodnow
United States24 Posts
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Lemure
189 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:19 johax wrote: Does anyone know if you can set the acceleration of kana to function just like a kinzu? I tried fiddling with the steelseries engine but it seems like you need to raise the dpi to above 800 to even use acceleration (i wanna use 400 dpi) Don't think so, they changed the sensor, the original kinzu's acceleration was actually a hardware flaw. Also, currently using the Logitech G100, been looking for a proper replacement for my broken Logitech mx300 for years, not many mice have that size and shape. I like the matte shell unlike the glossy G1 so perspiration is severely diminished although I would prefer the more pronounced texture of the smaller g9x grip. The wire is also thinner having less of a stiff feeling when moving the mouse. One of of my favorite things about this mouse is that fact that you can lower the weight from 80 grams to around 60. Even though the G100 looks like the mx300 and G1, the design was simplified making it lighter, they added a removable metal weight to make it weight as much as the G1. To do this you have to buy new mouse feet, the bottom mouse skate covers up the screw to open the mouse. After the screw is out, lift the top slightly and pull the top not up but back then finally remove the screw to the weight. | ||
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PHOEIVIX
2 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:05 wo1fwood wrote: I know it's bad but if he was bypassing it why bother checking it or changing it to 7/11 at all? I really don't think he is bypassing it. He seemed very particular in opening it and checking that it was at 7. It should be noted that the coach (whose computer it is) already had it on 7/11. On January 31 2012 07:25 cmh wrote: I agree that I think he is concerned with sc2 but he seemed extremely particular with his mouse settings. If you watch the rest of the video ( HERE ) you see him changing the mouse settings around (from 70 to 60 to 64 etc) several times and he tests the mouse to see how it feels. Wouldn't he be better off having it at 8/11 and lowering the sensitivity on sc2 or viceversa..... ? Does anybody know NesTea to ask him. It just seems strange that the best starcraft players who focus on improving the smallest details to get the edge are using settings that I notice to be detrimental to my own play? | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
edit: apparently u can only choose from those 3 dpi levels tt, does anyone know of a mouse that has the same ambidextrous shape/size of a xai while having a good sensor w/ no accel? the am looked promising but it has locked dpi speeds tt edit2: any thoughts on the kana? seems like it has shitty mouse feet/lift of distance, god damnit why does the am have locked dpi speeds :[ | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On January 31 2012 19:15 mTwTT1 wrote: the zowie am seems like an extremely good mouse, does anyone know whether or not u can adjust the dpi speeds or is it locked at 450/1150/2300? edit: apparently u can only choose from those 3 dpi levels tt, does anyone know of a mouse that has the same ambidextrous shape/size of a xai while having a good sensor w/ no accel? the am looked promising but it has locked dpi speeds tt edit2: any thoughts on the kana? seems like it has shitty mouse feet/lift of distance, god damnit why does the am have locked dpi speeds :[ All I can think of is the WMO 1.1a | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
damn if i had enought money id come up with a prototype for the ultimate ambidextrous shaped mouse, someone stake me 100k so we can start our own mouse company | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Why is it bad to have 450/1150/2300 fixed DPI settings? From another thread here on TL, I found the following: OPTIMAL MOUSE SETTINGS 6/11 Windows setting. Default in drivers (if using any) Enhanced Precision UNCHECKED in mouse properties in Control Panel. 51-54% sensitivity in SC2 Use DPI as a way to tweak your sensitivity, more DPI for faster sens and less DPI for slower sens. Is that all DPI really does, tweaking sensitivity? It has little impact on screen resolution? I get the feeling that we can not tweak our sensitivity, it should be set in stone to work optimal. *head explodes* I cant believe picking a mouse can be this hard :s | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:25 cmh wrote: MKP and MVP also use the G9X which has a ton of positive acceleration, I'm sure they are comfortable using it where some people would refuse to ever recommend it due to this flaw. Basically I think Nestea puts more effort into concentrating on the game then trying to find out more about his mouse sensor and settings. Absolutely false statement. I've tested every G9X I've come across (well over 10 different ones), this mouse does NOT have positive acceleration or any acceleration of any kind, unless you want it to and turn it on in settings. People that state this must have no idea how to test for acceleration and just go by random statements online. I used top lay with acceleration turned on, till I ran tests, then decided to turn it off in settings, and afterwards mouse-tests reported ZERO acceleration. I've used lots of mice Razer, Steelseries, etc, many many bad mice with acceleration, but this mice is great for SC2 specifically, and has absolutely no accel. Anyone with a brain should know how to go into simple settings menu and turn it off. We are on an Internet forum by the way, this should be obvious. Do I really have to post pics? I don't know why this forum is littered with incorrect statements about G9X, i really see it over and over. P.S. I didn't even need to install any Mouse-fix or tweaks to get 1:1 ratio 0-acceleration. G9X in my experience is the best shape and performing mouse for SC2 hands down. Such a comfortable shape for the hand and not all retarded bulky and awkward like many Razer/Steelseries mice. And I never mentioned this be ZERO ACCELERATION! | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote: tt too big damn if i had enought money id come up with a prototype for the ultimate ambidextrous shaped mouse, someone stake me 100k so we can start our own mouse company lol that'd be awesome. then there should be diff sizes of the mouse to fit all hand sizes. | ||
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-Debaser-
United States329 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:24 eatfoodnow wrote: I'm getting the CM Xornet for my birthday in a couple days, does anybody have one or know anything useful about it? Get it. I'm using it- got it for 20 bucks, seems like the best mouse for the price range if you like claw grip | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:34 crappen wrote: I just found a thread on TL regarding DPI etc, and seeing TT1 was TTing about Zowie AM that only had 3 fixed CPI settings, it made me curious about the whole DPI thing. Why is it bad to have 450/1150/2300 fixed DPI settings? From another thread here on TL, I found the following: Is that all DPI really does, tweaking sensitivity? It has little impact on screen resolution? I get the feeling that we can not tweak our sensitivity, it should be set in stone to work optimal. *head explodes* I cant believe picking a mouse can be this hard :s DPI is just a rating on how many pixels the mouse will move when moved one inch. Literally Dots per Inch, though dots is a bit of a misnomer. Mousing around has been flawed since the early 90's and flat out bugged until Windows 7 was released, the same bug from win 95 was migrated to windows 98 (both 1 and 2) and was then migrated to ME, and XP as well as Vista despite gamers telling blizzard that the enhance pointer precision option was bugged and could be fixed in a coffee break. It took Microsoft about 12 years to fix it. So what we have to deal with is this. If you want more sensitivity, you can multiply the end result the mouse gives you, or you can change the way the mouse takes measurements. The problem with the first one is that the mouse has no way of signaling remainder values, and those remainders add up to real pixel movement differences when multiplied (this was hardcore bugged in Vista and led to drift). Thus the only real way to change a mouses sensitivity is to change the DPI of the mouse. If a mouse can only operate on three presets, you have to like one of those presets. Or you might as well just be using a $5 garbage mouse from your local pizza restaurant. And indeed we see many pro's doing just that. And so, really high DPI mouse only make sense for enormous resolutions. The razer imperator is like a 5600 DPI mouse and the only way thats comfortable at 6/11 is if you are into 6 monitor gaming or something like that. but that mouse is garbage anyway. Simply put, buy a mouse with fully customizable DPI. If its a mouse without it, it is a shit mouse IMO. And this includes many mice from pretty much every single top brand. | ||
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stickyhands
187 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:59 deadmau wrote: Absolutely false statement. I've tested every G9X I've come across (well over 10 different ones), this mouse does NOT have positive acceleration or any acceleration of any kind, unless you want it to and turn it on in settings. People that state this must have no idea how to test for acceleration and just go by random statements online. I used top lay with acceleration turned on, till I ran tests, then decided to turn it off in settings, and afterwards mouse-tests reported ZERO acceleration. I've used lots of mice Razer, Steelseries, etc, many many bad mice with acceleration, but this mice is great for SC2 specifically, and has absolutely no accel. Anyone with a brain should know how to go into simple settings menu and turn it off. We are on an Internet forum by the way, this should be obvious. Do I really have to post pics? I don't know why this forum is littered with incorrect statements about G9X, i really see it over and over. P.S. I didn't even need to install any Mouse-fix or tweaks to get 1:1 ratio 0-acceleration. G9X in my experience is the best shape and performing mouse for SC2 hands down. Such a comfortable shape for the hand and not all retarded bulky and awkward like many Razer/Steelseries mice. And I never mentioned this be ZERO ACCELERATION! you seem to be so sure of yourself, but you're wrong, the sensor the G9X uses had several hardware flaws, including an inconsistent ~5% positive accel | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
On February 01 2012 01:00 stickyhands wrote: you seem to be so sure of yourself, but you're wrong, the sensor the G9X uses had several hardware flaws, including an inconsistent ~5% positive accel I've read this many a times here on this forum as I said before, it's false. I've tested it myself over 30 times (on 10 different G9X's), 0 acceleration. What test do you want me to show you in order to prove it. No matter how fast or slow I move my mouse, I'm unable to produce acceleration. Again, I didn't have to use any of those Registry Hacks, just updated to latest firmware of my mouse, turned off acceleration in settings, and opted to use Mouse Drivers, instead of Native OS drivers = 0 Accel | ||
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nOondn
564 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:53 deadmau wrote: 5% positive acceleration come with hardware,nothing to do with software -_-.I've read this many a times here on this forum as I said before, it's false. I've tested it myself over 30 times (on 10 different G9X's), 0 acceleration. What test do you want me to show you in order to prove it. No matter how fast or slow I move my mouse, I'm unable to produce acceleration. Again, I didn't have to use any of those Registry Hacks, just updated to latest firmware of my mouse, turned off acceleration in settings, and opted to use Mouse Drivers, instead of Native OS drivers = 0 Accel | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:53 deadmau wrote: I've read this many a times here on this forum as I said before, it's false. I've tested it myself over 30 times (on 10 different G9X's), 0 acceleration. What test do you want me to show you in order to prove it. No matter how fast or slow I move my mouse, I'm unable to produce acceleration. Again, I didn't have to use any of those Registry Hacks, just updated to latest firmware of my mouse, turned off acceleration in settings, and opted to use Mouse Drivers, instead of Native OS drivers = 0 Accel Other far more reputable people on other forums are contradicting your statement saying that the ADNS-9500 has small amounts of +acceleration issues (~%5 at 3m/s) as well as having a lower malfuncion rate/perfect control on cloth pads. If you haven't tested on low cpi, or high in/360, then unless you are quite sensitive to these things you likely won't even notice it. Basically, unless you're playing FPS you likely won't notice this issue unless you are sensitive to any amount of accel. As for the data, I think it speaks for itself. + Show Spoiler [DATA :)] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVhRTomYEc&feature=player_embedded x-axis in increments of .5m/s ![[image loading]](http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?plugin=ref&page=MaximumSpeed_en&src=GPad.gif) ![[image loading]](http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?plugin=ref&page=MaximumSpeed&src=GPadAll.gif) ![[image loading]](http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?plugin=ref&page=MaximumSpeed_en&src=I2.gif) ![[image loading]](http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?plugin=ref&page=MaximumSpeed_en&src=G-PadG9x.gif) ![[image loading]](http://666kb.com/i/bembmcqcomq0nuxym.gif) this was a comparison of the xai and g9x tracking | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:59 deadmau wrote: Absolutely false statement. I've tested every G9X I've come across (well over 10 different ones), this mouse does NOT have positive acceleration or any acceleration of any kind, unless you want it to and turn it on in settings. People that state this must have no idea how to test for acceleration and just go by random statements online. I used top lay with acceleration turned on, till I ran tests, then decided to turn it off in settings, and afterwards mouse-tests reported ZERO acceleration. I've used lots of mice Razer, Steelseries, etc, many many bad mice with acceleration, but this mice is great for SC2 specifically, and has absolutely no accel. Anyone with a brain should know how to go into simple settings menu and turn it off. We are on an Internet forum by the way, this should be obvious. Do I really have to post pics? I don't know why this forum is littered with incorrect statements about G9X, i really see it over and over. P.S. I didn't even need to install any Mouse-fix or tweaks to get 1:1 ratio 0-acceleration. G9X in my experience is the best shape and performing mouse for SC2 hands down. Such a comfortable shape for the hand and not all retarded bulky and awkward like many Razer/Steelseries mice. And I never mentioned this be ZERO ACCELERATION! Just because your mousing skill isn't high enough to notice doesn't mean its not there. | ||
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