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The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 30
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Nothing actually constructive to say about anything, but you're awesome <3 :D (TheToast) | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 01 2012 13:30 Skullflower wrote: Is there any way to check if the Logitech G400 is above PID LZ13333 apart from just taking it out of the box? Can't confirm this myself, but it sounds like the sealing stickers should have the logitech logo on it with the newer numbers. At any rate, I don't see why you couldn't just get a replacement mouse if it's not the right PID, as you were intending to get a prediction free model. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 31 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote: damn if i had enought money id come up with a prototype for the ultimate ambidextrous shaped mouse, someone stake me 100k so we can start our own mouse company I am designing one at the moment. I am interested in how your ultimate mouse would look like, as you are not only a very good SC 2 player, but you also are extremely picky with your equipment (you know about Artisan, Topre and no mouse seems to satisfy you ...). On February 01 2012 00:02 Medrea wrote: Mousing around has been flawed since the early 90's and flat out bugged until Windows 7 was released, the same bug from win 95 was migrated to windows 98 (both 1 and 2) and was then migrated to ME, and XP as well as Vista despite gamers telling blizzard that the enhance pointer precision option was bugged and could be fixed in a coffee break. It took Microsoft about 12 years to fix it. So you're saying "enhanced pointer precision" is no more bugged under Windows 7? On February 01 2012 00:02 Medrea wrote: If you want more sensitivity, you can multiply the end result the mouse gives you ... The problem ... is that the mouse has no way of signaling remainder values, and those remainders add up to real pixel movement differences when multiplied (this was hardcore bugged in Vista and led to drift). What do you mean by hardware bugged? I assume Windows 7 behaves in the same way, as no mouse has the ability to tell your PC "wait for it" ... On February 01 2012 00:02 Medrea wrote: Thus the only real way to change a mouses sensitivity is to change the DPI of the mouse. If a mouse can only operate on three presets, you have to like one of those presets. Or you might as well just be using a $5 garbage mouse from your local pizza restaurant. And indeed we see many pro's doing just that. ... That's the reason why I'm beginning to like the 9500 laser sensor more and more ... No optical sensor, not even the great 3090, allows you to adjust your CPI in such a precise way as the 9500 laser does ... In fact it is extremely difficult to set up a mouse with a 3090 sensor which has other CPI values than 1800 and 3500 (which are the default values). It is not advised by Avago (the producer of the 3090) to try and add more CPI values to a 3090 mouse. Zowie did that by using a different lense for the Zowie AM, and through that measure they lost the support of Avago. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:41 IPS.Blue wrote: I am designing one at the moment. I am interested in how your ultimate mouse would look like, as you are not only a very good SC 2 player, but you also are extremely picky with your equipment (you know about Artisan, Topre and no mouse seems to satisfy you ...). So you're saying "enhanced pointer precision" is no more bugged under Windows 7? What do you mean by hardware bugged? I assume Windows 7 behaves in the same way, as no mouse has the ability to tell your PC "wait for it" ... That's the reason why I'm beginning to like the 9500 laser sensor more and more ... No optical sensor, not even the great 3090, allows you to adjust your CPI in such a precise way as the 9500 laser does ... In fact it is extremely difficult to set up a mouse with a 3090 sensor which has other CPI values than 1800 and 3500 (which are the default values). It is not advised by Avago (the producer of the 3090) to try and add more CPI values to a 3090 mouse. Zowie did that by using a different lense for the Zowie AM, and through that measure they lost the support of Avago. Windows 7 made it so the option in windows actually did something (previously the check box pointed to the wrong variable, this was fixed). However Windows 7 doesnt lock the option off for games so some games will actually turn the option back on when you are playing the game. Cool trick huh? When I say Vista was bugged. I mean it literally. Normally an OS rounds the values in a way that makes sense. So if you have higher sensitivity, and you told your computer to move 3 pixels to the left (4.5 through Windows Sensivity), you would expect the cursor to move 5 pixels to the left correct? NOPE! Instead of rounding to 5 pixels to the left, the number is rounded to an absolute value so your cursor moves 4 pixels to the left. Thus if you moved your mouse a consistent circular motion, your cursor would slowly but surely continually drift to the right since data is being rounded wrong. I mean rounding errors really? At least this was fixed (with a new OS lawls.) Laser mice seem to have so many problems these days. It was a good idea on paper but I have yet to see it executed properly. | ||
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LivevilVg
Canada3 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Razer Abyssus feedback after using it for 1 year: Simply put, I would never change my mouse unless it's discontinued somehow. The mouse is perfect for my fingertip grip. The glide is great, the precision is really nice, especially with 1000hz polling. Overall a very simple, no-fuss, no-nonsense mouse. Does exactly what it says on the tin. And to top it off, it's pretty cheap compared to the rest of the market. I'm trying to think hard on how to improve the mouse, and maybe if the sides of the mouse would be covered by that non-slip surface that the buttons have, it would have been the ultimate mouse. Another very minor problem is that sometimes, if I switch between 125hz and 1000hz, the mouse freezes and it has once or twice caused a system restart as well. But this only happened during that switch and the frequency would be like 10%. Overall, 9/10 (for comparison reasons, I would give the Steelseries Kinzu a 5/10) Currently playing on 1600 dpi, 7/10 sensitivity on the Razer drivers, 1000hz polling rate. Using a Razer Vespula mousepad. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 01 2012 23:51 LivevilVg wrote: What exactly is your grip style, what type of games do you play? Both of these may have significant impact on a recommendation as there might be better mice on the market for you than what you've listed.Hey has anyone used the R.A.T 7 contagion ? I'm looking for a new mouse and im down to the R.A.T, corsair m60, and the logitech G9x. I have tryed searching fourm see if anyone has talked about it but cant find anything but im also on and iphone witch i can normally never find anything. But does anyone have any experiance with the contagion, if so how do you find it an recommend it? Also if anyone has any other recommendations let me know. Regarding the mice specifically, the R.A.T. 7+9 have a z-axis problem, while the M60 and G9x both have the Avago 9500 laser sensor, which means inconsistent +/- acceleration. | ||
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LivevilVg
Canada3 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:50 wo1fwood wrote: What exactly is your grip style, what type of games do you play? Both of these may have significant impact on a recommendation as there might be better mice on the market for you than what you've listed. Regarding the mice specifically, the R.A.T. 7+9 have a z-axis problem, while the M60 and G9x both have the Avago 9500 laser sensor, which means inconsistent +/- acceleration. Hey thanks for the reply, my grip style is more of a palm grip, and mostly I play sc2, LoL. But I do play some BF 3 with a few friends occasinaly. For the most part tho SC2 and LoL. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On February 02 2012 06:33 LivevilVg wrote: Hey thanks for the reply, my grip style is more of a palm grip, and mostly I play sc2, LoL. But I do play some BF 3 with a few friends occasinaly. For the most part tho SC2 and LoL. Based on this, I'm going to assume that you play on 800cpi or higher? Do you ever change your cpi for games, namely using low sens for FPS? If you use low cpi settings ever or lift your mouse at all, I would be very wary of getting the RAT due to the z-axis problems and the weight (super heavy from what I understand). Also your hand size might matter. Being that you are a palm gripper, have you looked into the Deathadder or G400 at all (both have excellent tracking/performance)? If your hands are small, they might be too large, but it's something to think about. Take a look at the comparison chart in the OP to see the different sizes of the DA/G400 to the G9x as they will be quite different. If I were to give a recommendation for a mouse out of the 3 you have, I'd probably go with the G9x because I don't know how Corsair mice perform in general (any Corsair owners feel free to chime in), and from what I've read, with the RAT mice, there are better performing mice out there with the same form factor, but I would probably do more research first based on your grip and playstyle. | ||
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LivevilVg
Canada3 Posts
On February 02 2012 07:25 wo1fwood wrote: Based on this, I'm going to assume that you play on 800cpi or higher? Do you ever change your cpi for games, namely using low sens for FPS? If you use low cpi settings ever or lift your mouse at all, I would be very wary of getting the RAT due to the z-axis problems and the weight (super heavy from what I understand). Also your hand size might matter. Being that you are a palm gripper, have you looked into the Deathadder or G400 at all (both have excellent tracking/performance)? If your hands are small, they might be too large, but it's something to think about. Take a look at the comparison chart in the OP to see the different sizes of the DA/G400 to the G9x as they will be quite different. If I were to give a recommendation for a mouse out of the 3 you have, I'd probably go with the G9x because I don't know how Corsair mice perform in general (any Corsair owners feel free to chime in), and from what I've read, with the RAT mice, there are better performing mice out there with the same form factor, but I would probably do more research first based on your grip and playstyle. I use around 1600cpi, atm I have a razer mamba that I bought for when I played alot of wow, and just tested it and seems that once lifted has the same problem you speak of with the R.A.T but I have not really noticed this before, untill actually trying it. So I dont think that will be to much of a problem I must not lift it very often. Also I prefer a bit of weight to my mouse, I use to have a logitech with weights and had the heaviest ones in it. But I will have too look at the deathadder and R.A.T next time im out to Best Buy. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Is this a known issue etc, and is there anything i can do to correct it? | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
I use a sorta palmish claw grip, if you catch my drift. Hands aren't that small, but aren't big either. How's the abyssus with the latest updates? | ||
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Lemure
189 Posts
On February 04 2012 03:15 theBALLS wrote: Guys I'm currently using a xai, actually am pretty satisfied with it. However, I'd like to try something different. I use a sorta palmish claw grip, if you catch my drift. Hands aren't that small, but aren't big either. How's the abyssus with the latest updates? It's sometimes known as the dice roll mouse, some people get one with the jitter issue. It is overall a good mouse if you find the shape comfortable and has a great sensor, it is a bit on the small side and more for claw/finger grip. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
Performance-wise it glides and responds great, and the custimization features are quite good. A lot of people gripe about how the DPI/settings switch is on the bottom of the mouse, but for RTS games that isn't a problem since I can't really imagine a scenario where you'd need to switch your DPI settings on the fly in a RTS, but for a FPS this may be a problem (e.g. when using a sniper/zoom type weapon for accuracy). | ||
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Depetrify
978 Posts
Upgraded from imperator | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On February 02 2012 13:03 Kluey wrote: I would say it is but it depends on which grip you use (or no grip). I have medium-largish hands and I use my G9X without a grip quite comfortably with a fingertip grip. Though I like really small mice which may colour my views. Before I got a gaming mouse when I built my desktop I used this really small logitech mouse that my dad bought and ever since I've been trying to find something comparable. Sadly my dad threw that mouse out after the left click gave in after a few hundred hours of BF2.Is the Logitech G9X comfortable for medium sized hands? I'm actually deciding between ordering a Salmosa Pro Gamer Edition or a G1 right now off Ebay (from one of those Korean online shops on there). My bank gave me my yearly money back on my credit card but I can't transfer it over to my main account so I just have to spend it on something, might as well be a tiny mouse just for the novelty. I usually use 1000-1500 DPI so the G1 would actually be fine to use. Also, holy bejeebers the tiny edition Salmosa is small. That's like heaven in mouse form for me. I'm leaning toward the Salmosa right now but I need to research it more. | ||
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Jewbacca
Australia36 Posts
So I bought a Steelseries Sensei, and frankly... it's freakin' awesome - comfort wise for claw and palm grippers, the Sensei is about as good as it gets. | ||
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