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Senshin
Profile Joined June 2004
Netherlands115 Posts
January 31 2013 11:43 GMT
#2001
I geuss you need to do a little bit more research.
The wireless functions of the razer mouses mamba and ouroboros are so great it's in terms of latancy as good as wired.
And with a little bit extra weight, i have seen as claw grip user it isnt that bad, the extra weight of the battery gives me more stability.

What's great is indeed you can make it wired and use it without battery, i already tried it but it doesnt matter (for me).
Kovacqaz
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 15:58:55
February 04 2013 15:54 GMT
#2002
Ktec 9500+ salmosa mod.

http://imgur.com/a/mBRgP

Works great, finally good scroll and more than 800DPI, sensor s3668.

and mouse test http://i.imgur.com/UHzP0Ab.jpg (salmosa mini)
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
February 05 2013 03:31 GMT
#2003
Hi guys, having some issues with my Razer Imperator 2012.
I don't have any software installed, I have the mouse loaded with my configurations and everything has been fine up till now. But now I get random points of slowness, where the cursor seems to slow right down atrandom points, this is happening in-game as well as on the desktop. I'm running windows 8 and the mouse sensor looks to be clean, I gave it a wipe and everything looks ok.

Any idea what could be causing this? The mouse is about 6 months old.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
February 05 2013 11:03 GMT
#2004
My third DeathAdder is giving the the infamous scrollwheel skipping and random doubleclick issues. I really have to say I preferred the Copperhead which was always reliable for me. I liked having my buttons separate from the chassis. Regardless, 3 DeathAdders later, I still like the mouse ok, but I'll be damned if I buy a fourth because they die on me way too quickly.

So I saw this thread and was thinking maybe you guys would be able to offer some insight.

1. What's your grip style?
Mostly a palm grip, though my fingers are generally elevated slightly and not on the mouse aside from the tip, which I'm sure is common but definitely not a claw grip.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Medium to high, depends on the game I'm playing somewhat. High for fps, medium for rts/moba.

3. What's your maximum budget?
I've got esports moneys. Nothing I won't consider. I'd rather spend a lot on something I can use for a long time than skim now and switch in 6 months.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
They mostly collect dirt for me. I don't mind them and it's not like I'd avoid a mouse that has them, but I'm sure most
Copperhead users were trained not to use them because the 2 extra on the side were awful.

5. What games do you play?
This won't be very helpful. RTS, Moba, FPS, even the occasional mmo like Tera.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I don't mind some light angle snapping, but growing up as a quake player, I'm pretty accurate in making my mouse go where I want it to without the need for assistance. I'll be very hesitant to get anything with extreme angle snapping.

7. Other relevant information:
I'm pretty much open to any brand, I'm really hoping to use this thread as an orientation. I don't care too much for excessive customization on the hardware side, I want a mouse not a transformer, so that's not a real benefit to me. Durability is a consideration though, sick of my deathadders dying :/
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
February 05 2013 12:15 GMT
#2005
On February 05 2013 20:03 Martijn wrote:
My third DeathAdder is giving the the infamous scrollwheel skipping and random doubleclick issues. I really have to say I preferred the Copperhead which was always reliable for me. I liked having my buttons separate from the chassis. Regardless, 3 DeathAdders later, I still like the mouse ok, but I'll be damned if I buy a fourth because they die on me way too quickly.

So I saw this thread and was thinking maybe you guys would be able to offer some insight.

1. What's your grip style?
Mostly a palm grip, though my fingers are generally elevated slightly and not on the mouse aside from the tip, which I'm sure is common but definitely not a claw grip.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Medium to high, depends on the game I'm playing somewhat. High for fps, medium for rts/moba.

3. What's your maximum budget?
I've got esports moneys. Nothing I won't consider. I'd rather spend a lot on something I can use for a long time than skim now and switch in 6 months.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
They mostly collect dirt for me. I don't mind them and it's not like I'd avoid a mouse that has them, but I'm sure most
Copperhead users were trained not to use them because the 2 extra on the side were awful.

5. What games do you play?
This won't be very helpful. RTS, Moba, FPS, even the occasional mmo like Tera.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I don't mind some light angle snapping, but growing up as a quake player, I'm pretty accurate in making my mouse go where I want it to without the need for assistance. I'll be very hesitant to get anything with extreme angle snapping.

7. Other relevant information:
I'm pretty much open to any brand, I'm really hoping to use this thread as an orientation. I don't care too much for excessive customization on the hardware side, I want a mouse not a transformer, so that's not a real benefit to me. Durability is a consideration though, sick of my deathadders dying :/

Consider the Logitech G400. Great all-a-round mouse, and Logitech mice lasts FOREVER.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
February 05 2013 13:07 GMT
#2006
On February 05 2013 00:54 Kovacqaz wrote:
Ktec 9500+ salmosa mod.

http://imgur.com/a/mBRgP

Works great, finally good scroll and more than 800DPI, sensor s3668.

and mouse test http://i.imgur.com/UHzP0Ab.jpg (salmosa mini)

ha, the scroll wheel is so messed up in the 9500+, occasionally I'll stick it in a spot and then my screen starts stuttering bc its in between a notch somehow. Is that the max ips for the sensor though, cause that seems really low for the 3668.
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FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
February 05 2013 14:13 GMT
#2007
On February 05 2013 21:15 labbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 20:03 Martijn wrote:
My third DeathAdder is giving the the infamous scrollwheel skipping and random doubleclick issues. I really have to say I preferred the Copperhead which was always reliable for me. I liked having my buttons separate from the chassis. Regardless, 3 DeathAdders later, I still like the mouse ok, but I'll be damned if I buy a fourth because they die on me way too quickly.

So I saw this thread and was thinking maybe you guys would be able to offer some insight.

1. What's your grip style?
Mostly a palm grip, though my fingers are generally elevated slightly and not on the mouse aside from the tip, which I'm sure is common but definitely not a claw grip.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Medium to high, depends on the game I'm playing somewhat. High for fps, medium for rts/moba.

3. What's your maximum budget?
I've got esports moneys. Nothing I won't consider. I'd rather spend a lot on something I can use for a long time than skim now and switch in 6 months.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
They mostly collect dirt for me. I don't mind them and it's not like I'd avoid a mouse that has them, but I'm sure most
Copperhead users were trained not to use them because the 2 extra on the side were awful.

5. What games do you play?
This won't be very helpful. RTS, Moba, FPS, even the occasional mmo like Tera.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I don't mind some light angle snapping, but growing up as a quake player, I'm pretty accurate in making my mouse go where I want it to without the need for assistance. I'll be very hesitant to get anything with extreme angle snapping.

7. Other relevant information:
I'm pretty much open to any brand, I'm really hoping to use this thread as an orientation. I don't care too much for excessive customization on the hardware side, I want a mouse not a transformer, so that's not a real benefit to me. Durability is a consideration though, sick of my deathadders dying :/

Consider the Logitech G400. Great all-a-round mouse, and Logitech mice lasts FOREVER.

Yeah I would say the best mouse for palm gripping and the sensor is pretty much top of the line, also one of the most reliable mouses out there.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 14:35:28
February 05 2013 14:35 GMT
#2008
Thanks for the advice, really helpful. I went ahead and asked around and the only negative point that's being repeated is that the G400 is really heavy. Any truth to that?
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
February 05 2013 15:42 GMT
#2009
@Martjin

Can't speak to the G400. I never buy Logitech mice because I hate the their shape (many of them have a huge uncomfortable hump). I would recommend you look at a Mionix Naos 3200, which has settings of 800, 1600, and 3200 DPI (though I don't recommend the 3200 dpi) or the Mionix Naos 8200 if you must have laser over optical (or different DPI settings than the above).

The Mionix mice are simply amazingly ergonomic and comfortable. You never realized how much you wanted a pinky rest on your mouse until you have one. They're the perfect palm grip mice. Not for lefties though. Durable, too. At least that's their reputation, and mine is still performing as good as the day I got it two years later.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
eBinTestO
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland104 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 19:12:00
February 05 2013 16:55 GMT
#2010
I might be selling my Sensei to a friend, so i might need a new mouse.

1. What's your grip style?
Some hybrid between claw and fingertip grip. My palm light touches the mouse, and my ring finger is on the side of the right mouse button.

2. What's your sensitivity?
400 or 800 cpi depending on what i do.

3. What's your maximum budget?
Not really sure, but around 50 euros or less

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Not needed, but buttons for forward/back are nice

5. What games do you play?
Starcraft, sometimes CS

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I don't want angle snapping

7. Other relevant information:
I want a light mouse, and it should be quite small. Mouses i've been looking at are Zowie MiCO, G9X and Razer Abussys. I prefer optical because of the issues i have had with laser mice like Sensei (way too sensitive to dust, doesn't track well on cloth pads) but i've seen so many use the G9 that i guess it works well. I will be able to try out some of these mice at Assembly Winter so i can see which has the best shape, but what would perform well?

E: Did searching and saw that the Abussys can't do 400 and 800 dpi/cpi. I think its between MiCO and G9X then.
kuruptt
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada168 Posts
February 06 2013 08:49 GMT
#2011
Does anyone have the zowie ec2 evo? I am thinking of getting this mouse but I am scared of the stiffness of the switches that might hinder my APM in sc2. I know it is great for FPS gaming though. I am debating either the g400 or the ec2 evo at the moment.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20293 Posts
February 06 2013 09:26 GMT
#2012
On February 06 2013 01:55 eBinTestO wrote:
I might be selling my Sensei to a friend, so i might need a new mouse.

1. What's your grip style?
Some hybrid between claw and fingertip grip. My palm light touches the mouse, and my ring finger is on the side of the right mouse button.

2. What's your sensitivity?
400 or 800 cpi depending on what i do.

3. What's your maximum budget?
Not really sure, but around 50 euros or less

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Not needed, but buttons for forward/back are nice

5. What games do you play?
Starcraft, sometimes CS

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I don't want angle snapping

7. Other relevant information:
I want a light mouse, and it should be quite small. Mouses i've been looking at are Zowie MiCO, G9X and Razer Abussys. I prefer optical because of the issues i have had with laser mice like Sensei (way too sensitive to dust, doesn't track well on cloth pads) but i've seen so many use the G9 that i guess it works well. I will be able to try out some of these mice at Assembly Winter so i can see which has the best shape, but what would perform well?

E: Did searching and saw that the Abussys can't do 400 and 800 dpi/cpi. I think its between MiCO and G9X then.


You should consider the Deathadder
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
eBinTestO
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland104 Posts
February 06 2013 13:14 GMT
#2013
On February 06 2013 18:26 Cyro wrote:

You should consider the Deathadder


Any reason why? Is it good for fingertip/claw grip? The dpi settings kinda worry me because im so used to 800, but im not sure how they are in the new 2013 version.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 13:33:25
February 06 2013 13:32 GMT
#2014
On February 06 2013 22:14 eBinTestO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 18:26 Cyro wrote:

You should consider the Deathadder


Any reason why? Is it good for fingertip/claw grip? The dpi settings kinda worry me because im so used to 800, but im not sure how they are in the new 2013 version.


Fair warning, DeathAdders break rather frequently. My current one lasted 3 months before the scrollwheel started skipping and 5 before left click started randomly doubleclicking at times. The 2 before that lasted longer mind you, but they had the same issues eventually.

Though, if they didn't break so often, I wouldn't be here looking for something else.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
eBinTestO
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland104 Posts
February 06 2013 17:35 GMT
#2015
On February 06 2013 22:32 Martijn wrote:

Fair warning, DeathAdders break rather frequently. My current one lasted 3 months before the scrollwheel started skipping and 5 before left click started randomly doubleclicking at times. The 2 before that lasted longer mind you, but they had the same issues eventually.

Though, if they didn't break so often, I wouldn't be here looking for something else.


Weird, my friend has had his Deathadder for over 3 years and haven't had any problems, and other friends has had his for 2.

Zowie MiCO would have the perfect dpi settings. im probably gonna go and see what fits my hand before i buy anything.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 07 2013 11:54 GMT
#2016
Does the IMO 1.1 have high enough DPI for 1920x1080 resolution?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20293 Posts
February 07 2013 12:50 GMT
#2017
On February 06 2013 22:14 eBinTestO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 18:26 Cyro wrote:

You should consider the Deathadder


Any reason why? Is it good for fingertip/claw grip? The dpi settings kinda worry me because im so used to 800, but im not sure how they are in the new 2013 version.



Its good for claw/fingertip (honestly you could probably make anything work), argubly best sensor available (no positive or negative accel, no noticable angle-snapping, insane max tracking speeds, etc)

With regards to DPI, im pretty sure you can just click to 900 on the 2013, and its generally suggested to use the native 1800dpi on the 3.5g (version before 2013) and use on-the-fly sensitivity to scale from there, because the 1800dpi on it outperformed the 450/900/3500 settings by wide margins. You have from 1 to 10 sens then (10-100% effective DPI) in steps of 0.5, so at 1800dpi 4.5 sens you will have the same tracking speed as 810dpi, but thats just for the older deathadder, you shouldnt have to jump through many hoops for the 2013 i think.

In regards to durability, my deathadder has 10k hours on it with no issues at all, though im pretty clean (wash hands every hour or two and keep a damp cloth at desk for cleaning hands/peripherals). Ive heard a lot of stories of them failing after 3-6 months or a year, which could be a concern but i still think its a strong reccomendation because its a strong mouse and such consistent tracking (especially with higher maximum tracking speeds) is rare

performs best on black cloth
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
eBinTestO
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland104 Posts
February 07 2013 13:11 GMT
#2018
On February 07 2013 21:50 Cyro wrote:

Its good for claw/fingertip (honestly you could probably make anything work), argubly best sensor available (no positive or negative accel, no noticable angle-snapping, insane max tracking speeds, etc)

With regards to DPI, im pretty sure you can just click to 900 on the 2013, and its generally suggested to use the native 1800dpi on the 3.5g (version before 2013) and use on-the-fly sensitivity to scale from there, because the 1800dpi on it outperformed the 450/900/3500 settings by wide margins. You have from 1 to 10 sens then (10-100% effective DPI) in steps of 0.5, so at 1800dpi 4.5 sens you will have the same tracking speed as 810dpi, but thats just for the older deathadder, you shouldnt have to jump through many hoops for the 2013 i think.

In regards to durability, my deathadder has 10k hours on it with no issues at all, though im pretty clean (wash hands every hour or two and keep a damp cloth at desk for cleaning hands/peripherals). Ive heard a lot of stories of them failing after 3-6 months or a year, which could be a concern but i still think its a strong reccomendation because its a strong mouse and such consistent tracking (especially with higher maximum tracking speeds) is rare

performs best on black cloth


Guess i could get used to 1800 dpi after a while, i really have to try if it fits my hand. Sounds really good
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20293 Posts
February 07 2013 13:40 GMT
#2019
You misunderstand, DPI is only a measure of sensitivity if everything is 1:1 and there is no scaling.

On-the-fly sensitivity scales it down, with 10 being 1.0x multiplier, 5 being 0.5x multiplier, etc.

You shouldnt have to do that stuff with 2013 version anyway, it's just on the 3.5g because that sensor performed much better at the native 1800dpi setting, so you would use that and then scale down instead of setting 450/900 DPI
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
eBinTestO
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland104 Posts
February 07 2013 14:31 GMT
#2020
Doesn't setting it different than 1x multiplier make it inaccurate? If you set windows sensitivity other than 6/11 you get skipping because of the multiplier. Although i don't know how Razer does it.
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