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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
It is also possible that I messed with SC2 settings and don't remember it, I will check when I get home | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On January 18 2013 03:22 U_G_L_Y wrote: So basically I have 3 possible speeds, and if I don't like them, I have to have a mouse with poor accuracy? Is anyone familiar with the Razer Abyssus software that can confirm whether this adjusts via multiplier or actually changes the dpi? It is also possible that I messed with SC2 settings and don't remember it, I will check when I get home Yeah, basically, though it can't get worse than your setup before the Abyssus.  Also, windows setting 4/11 isn't that bad (it exactly halves the distance your pointer would otherwise move, which isn't as bad for accuracy as the settings above 6/11), which for practical purposes gives you a fourth speed, 900 dpi. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:38 kylols wrote: I'm thinking of getting either a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical (which supposedly has a "flawless" sensor) or a logitech g9x (and removing the shell). Is the g9x's sensor good? does it have hardware accel, angle snapping, or just an innacurate sensor etc? Thanks! No one responded to my earlier post  edit : also, any advice on surfaces? i want a good match Deathadder/Abyssus has a flawless sensor. | ||
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kylols
59 Posts
I have heard that the deathadder uses one of the best sensors, but unfortunately razer makes cheap products that break down quickly. I don't like the materials they use, their emphasis on annoying "gamer marketing" where they put tons of lights and stupid useless features on their products and shiny overdone packaging. I owned a few razer mice and a keyboard in the past and the click switch on their mice dies quickly, and their keyboards casing is really cheap etc. After doing more research i decided to order the logitech g9x and a steelseries 4hd pad. The g9x uses a "Avago Technologies ADNS-9500" sensor which is apparently considered quite good by mouse nerds. Supposedly it tracks best on a hard pad so i got the 4hd (plastic). Ill post back here saying how i like it in the future :D! edit : Also alot of korean progamers use the g9x (such as marineking :D) | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On January 18 2013 04:22 kylols wrote: I have heard that the deathadder uses one of the best sensors, but unfortunately razer makes cheap products that break down quickly. I don't like the materials they use, their emphasis on annoying "gamer marketing" where they put tons of lights and stupid useless features on their products and shiny overdone packaging. I owned a few razer mice and a keyboard in the past and the click switch on their mice dies quickly, and their keyboards casing is really cheap etc. After doing more research i decided to order the logitech g9x and a steelseries 4hd pad. The g9x uses a "Avago Technologies ADNS-9500" sensor which is apparently considered quite good by mouse nerds. Supposedly it tracks best on a hard pad so i got the 4hd (plastic). Ill post back here saying how i like it in the future :D! edit : Also alot of korean progamers use the g9x (such as marineking :D) The Avago 9500 (Steelseries Sensei, Mionix Naos 5000, RAT 7, g9x, several others) used to be the top-of-the-line laser sensor. Although just recently Avago came out with the 9800 (Steelseries Sensei MLG edition, Mionix Naos 8200, probably some others). There's not really much difference between the various mice that use the same sensor (for instance steelseries sensei vs logitech g9x) other than weight & shape. Personally, I prefer optical sensors, and I hate logitech humps, but your mileage may vary! If it feels comfortable when you use it, go with it. | ||
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kylols
59 Posts
On January 18 2013 05:01 MisterFred wrote: The Avago 9500 (Steelseries Sensei, Mionix Naos 5000, RAT 7, g9x, several others) used to be the top-of-the-line laser sensor. Although just recently Avago came out with the 9800 (Steelseries Sensei MLG edition, Mionix Naos 8200, probably some others). There's not really much difference between the various mice that use the same sensor (for instance steelseries sensei vs logitech g9x) other than weight & shape. Personally, I prefer optical sensors, and I hate logitech humps, but your mileage may vary! If it feels comfortable when you use it, go with it. Nice to know! Well, really i greatly prefer small(ish) and light mice, and i dont like the overly ergonomic shape of some of the logitech mice either. However, if you remove the g9x's shell, its actually quite a nice small and light mouse  . Without the shell its ambidextrous shape : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1XjeV.png) Pic of marineking's custom blue one (what did he paint it with?!?!) edit : just our of curiosity, what sensor does the Deathadder use and how does it compare to the Avago ADNS-9500? | ||
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dZn
23 Posts
you cant go wrong with either g9x or mico. i just like the shape of the logitech a tad more, and splitting is more fluent. i can get used to the micos harder click, but i prefer the softer logitech one. i set them both to 6/11 win / 800 dpi / 500 hz / 1280 ingame resolution. cause im such a mouse slut i wont send the mico back. other mice i owned: mx500 (too big, good sensor, same as mx300), mx518 (prediction), salmosa, krait (i liked), ss kinzu v1 (huge acceleration) | ||
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Hylirion
Netherlands968 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On January 18 2013 05:21 kylols wrote: edit : just our of curiosity, what sensor does the Deathadder use and how does it compare to the Avago ADNS-9500? The current Deathadder (4G, you can still find 3g & 3.5g out there in the wild though), uses an Avago 3988. This is a Razer-specific version of the Avago 3090, currently the top end optical (not-laser) sensor available. I think the benefit of the Razer-specific version is slightly better performance at the lowest DPI setting for FPS gamers who like super-low DPI settings and whip their mouse around big huge distances as fast as possible, but I'm not sure. Optical sensors have a few advantages over laser sensors, such as not having any nagging minor acceleration problems and not being anywhere near as picky about what surface they're used on. (Avago 9500 used to have a bunch of problems on cloth pads.) The major downside of optical sensors is they offer a limited number of DPI presets, where laser mice can dial up any specific DPI setting within their range. Also, people don't think optical sounds as cool as laser. The Deathadder 4g can do 800dpi, 1800dpi, 4000dpi, and 6400dpi natively, if I'm reading the Razer website correctly. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On January 18 2013 09:59 Hylirion wrote: Is there a reason you don't want to get a G9X or another G9? I just ask because I have a G9X (same click) and I vastly prefer the click of it compared to any Razer I've used. It has one of the most satisfying clicks of any mouse, especially that left button. And the whole adage of "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" applies here since it sounds like you quite liked your G9.My good old Logitech G9 just died ;(. The wire broke right when it comes out of the mouse. I really liked the mouse but the cord was always very stiff so that's why it broke in the end I guess. The best thing about the mouse was how responsive the clicking is, even after 4.5 years or so the buttons click so nicely. I am looking at a Razer Abyssus now, because it has about the same size, a much more flexible cord and is not very expensive. I am a little worried about the clicking quality though, did anyone switch from a G9 to an Abyssus that can compare the mouseclick quality? | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
I went on a mouse rampage over the past couple of weeks to see what mouse was really the best fit for me. Ended up finding out that my trusty old KinzuV2 is what suits me. Deathadder/SENSEI where too big, ZOWIE MiCO was too small and my Kinzu was juuuuuuust right I don't think you can really say which mouse is best for someone, it's just up to personal preference for size and shape which you can only figure out after testing all the options available. Left over from this i'm left with 3 mice i'm trying to get rid of. (mostly for AUS) 1 SteelSeries SENSEI 1 ZOWIE MiCO StarTale edition 1 ZOWIE MiCO GSL edition if anyone is interested you check these out here http://myworld.ebay.com.au/ryan.byrne182/?_trksid=p4340.l2559 | ||
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Aando
1304 Posts
I like the CM Storm Spawn but the mouse got some serious issues with negative acceleration on my mouse pad/dpi/hand speed/whatever so I need something else. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On January 20 2013 17:32 Aando wrote: I'm looking for a low dpi mouse with sensitive buttons that works good on a cloth pad. When it comes to buttons, the CM Storm Spawn is great, the Deathadder is to stiff and Zowie Mico way to stiff. The shape of the mouse doesnt matter to much, I can use both a mx510 and a mico without problems. I like the CM Storm Spawn but the mouse got some serious issues with negative acceleration on my mouse pad/dpi/hand speed/whatever so I need something else. try the KinzuV2 pro edition. I prefer the non gloss version. It's a little bit bigger then the MiCO. | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On January 20 2013 15:41 Za7oX wrote: Hi dudes. I went on a mouse rampage over the past couple of weeks to see what mouse was really the best fit for me. Ended up finding out that my trusty old KinzuV2 is what suits me. Deathadder/SENSEI where too big, ZOWIE MiCO was too small and my Kinzu was juuuuuuust right I don't think you can really say which mouse is best for someone, it's just up to personal preference for size and shape which you can only figure out after testing all the options available. Left over from this i'm left with 3 mice i'm trying to get rid of. (mostly for AUS) 1 SteelSeries SENSEI 1 ZOWIE MiCO StarTale edition 1 ZOWIE MiCO GSL edition if anyone is interested you check these out here http://myworld.ebay.com.au/ryan.byrn...id=p4340.l2559 Damn, I'm genuinely interested in those branded MiCO mice, but shipping from Australia to Europe is a pain in the ass. And the link to your ebay profile doesn't work Btw, how did you manage to get hold of the Startale edition, joygear.co.kr? | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On January 20 2013 17:43 TwilightRain wrote: Damn, I'm genuinely interested in those branded MiCO mice, but shipping from Australia to Europe is a pain in the ass. And the link to your ebay profile doesn't work Btw, how did you manage to get hold of the Startale edition, joygear.co.kr? Yeh, your better off getting it from joygear http://joygear.img10.kr/english/etc/etc_stmico.html fixed link http://myworld.ebay.com.au/ryan.byrne182/?_trksid=p4340.l2559 | ||
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RedSox12
58 Posts
Is there anyway way in changing them to the blue ones? I am thinking of upgrading from my mx518, also if that isn't an option, should I just get the old 3.5 G deathadder? Is the new 2013 one much better then the old 3.5 one? For StarCraft at least? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20293 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:10 RedSox12 wrote: I am thinking of getting the new deathadder with a 4g sensor (2013) the only thing that I don't like about it is the green lights. Is there anyway way in changing them to the blue ones? I am thinking of upgrading from my mx518, also if that isn't an option, should I just get the old 3.5 G deathadder? Is the new 2013 one much better then the old 3.5 one? For StarCraft at least? You cant change them without taking apart the mouse AFAIK. The old 3.5g deathadder is still a king, sensor-wise you dont stress mice nearly as much in an RTS enviroment compared to very low sens FPS (and even there, 3.5g deathadder was THE mouse to get) Honestly the biggest factor in 3.5g vs 2013 for Starcraft 2 would probably be the little rubber grips on the side, neither model has problems with angle snapping, negative or positive acceleration, you wont come close to max control speeds on a 2d pixel interface (as opposed to 3d first person camera, where you could hit them if you use "very low" sensitivity and dont have the right settings (1800dpi step on the 3.5g, etc)) so you shouldnt run into any issues if you did choose to go with older model | ||
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RedSox12
58 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:19 Cyro wrote: You cant change them without taking apart the mouse AFAIK. The old 3.5g deathadder is still a king, sensor-wise you dont stress mice nearly as much in an RTS enviroment compared to very low sens FPS (and even there, 3.5g deathadder was THE mouse to get) Honestly the biggest factor in 3.5g vs 2013 for Starcraft 2 would probably be the little rubber grips on the side, neither model has problems with angle snapping, negative or positive acceleration, you wont come close to max control speeds on a 2d pixel interface (as opposed to 3d first person camera, where you could hit them if you use "very low" sensitivity and dont have the right settings (1800dpi step on the 3.5g, etc)) so you shouldnt run into any issues if you did choose to go with older model Thanks! Is there any difference between the 3500 DPI and 1800 DPI deathadder besides the actual DPI ? | ||
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