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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
January 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#1981
On January 25 2013 00:19 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 00:10 RedSox12 wrote:
I am thinking of getting the new deathadder with a 4g sensor (2013) the only thing that I don't like about it is the green lights.
Is there anyway way in changing them to the blue ones? I am thinking of upgrading from my mx518, also if that isn't an option, should I just get the old 3.5 G deathadder? Is the new 2013 one much better then the old 3.5 one? For StarCraft at least?
You cant change them without taking apart the mouse AFAIK. The old 3.5g deathadder is still a king, sensor-wise you dont stress mice nearly as much in an RTS enviroment compared to very low sens FPS (and even there, 3.5g deathadder was THE mouse to get)

Honestly the biggest factor in 3.5g vs 2013 for Starcraft 2 would probably be the little rubber grips on the side, neither model has problems with angle snapping, negative or positive acceleration, you wont come close to max control speeds on a 2d pixel interface (as opposed to 3d first person camera, where you could hit them if you use "very low" sensitivity and dont have the right settings (1800dpi step on the 3.5g, etc)) so you shouldnt run into any issues if you did choose to go with older model

this post makes me smile.
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
January 25 2013 17:38 GMT
#1982
Anyone tried to overclock the USB port to get 1000Hz on the Zowie Mico?
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
January 25 2013 17:51 GMT
#1983
On January 26 2013 02:38 KAB00000000M wrote:
Anyone tried to overclock the USB port to get 1000Hz on the Zowie Mico?


Never tried to and don't know why you would like to risk it. You really think you would notice the difference between 2ms and 1ms response time?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
January 25 2013 18:19 GMT
#1984
^Exactly, 8ms to 1-2ms is a little notable, 2ms to 1ms is really not at all
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 18:25:23
January 25 2013 18:25 GMT
#1985
On January 26 2013 02:51 TwilightRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 02:38 KAB00000000M wrote:
Anyone tried to overclock the USB port to get 1000Hz on the Zowie Mico?


Never tried to and don't know why you would like to risk it. You really think you would notice the difference between 2ms and 1ms response time?


I was just curious to see if anyone had done it and had any positive results. I know it doesn't make a big difference.
And I was also curious about whether the zowie mico can handle an overclock from 500Hz to 1000Hz. How do we know which mice can be overclock to this extent or not? (Eg. instability)
kuruptt
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada168 Posts
January 29 2013 11:20 GMT
#1986
Hey guys, what is the best mouse for gaming? I have been using WMO for ALL my life. I know this is considered 1 of the best mouse but I kind of want a mouse that has side buttons for more keys. I am a competitive player and the WMO has the best shape for me. I also love the feel and sound of the clicks on the WMO. I play sc2, dota 2, and CS. I consider myself pretty competitive and I excel at all these games. I don't want any acceleration or any of that stuff, just PERFECT tracking.

There are so many choices out there but I don't know which one would be the best because I can't really test them out. I have tried the deathadder before and it's not really my cup of tea. It feels kind of weird and I do not like the clicks at all. My friend also has the mamba which I can test out. The mamba is the exact same shape as the deathadder right?

I am thinking about the g400, roccat savu and 1 of the zowie mice right now...help me out guys! Which one is the best? (Perfect tracking, feels amazing like the WMO)
KentHenry
Profile Joined August 2010
United States260 Posts
January 29 2013 13:30 GMT
#1987
On January 29 2013 20:20 kuruptt wrote:
Hey guys, what is the best mouse for gaming? I have been using WMO for ALL my life. I know this is considered 1 of the best mouse but I kind of want a mouse that has side buttons for more keys. I am a competitive player and the WMO has the best shape for me. I also love the feel and sound of the clicks on the WMO. I play sc2, dota 2, and CS. I consider myself pretty competitive and I excel at all these games. I don't want any acceleration or any of that stuff, just PERFECT tracking.

There are so many choices out there but I don't know which one would be the best because I can't really test them out. I have tried the deathadder before and it's not really my cup of tea. It feels kind of weird and I do not like the clicks at all. My friend also has the mamba which I can test out. The mamba is the exact same shape as the deathadder right?

I am thinking about the g400, roccat savu and 1 of the zowie mice right now...help me out guys! Which one is the best? (Perfect tracking, feels amazing like the WMO)

Get the G400, Amazon was nice enough to send me 2 for the price of 1. It's the best mouse I've used.

Used Mx518, G5, Zowie Evo 2 and nothing compare to this perfection of a mouse.

I just wish it had tilt wheel.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 29 2013 14:46 GMT
#1988
On January 29 2013 20:20 kuruptt wrote:
Hey guys, what is the best mouse for gaming? I have been using WMO for ALL my life. I know this is considered 1 of the best mouse but I kind of want a mouse that has side buttons for more keys. I am a competitive player and the WMO has the best shape for me. I also love the feel and sound of the clicks on the WMO. I play sc2, dota 2, and CS. I consider myself pretty competitive and I excel at all these games. I don't want any acceleration or any of that stuff, just PERFECT tracking.

There are so many choices out there but I don't know which one would be the best because I can't really test them out. I have tried the deathadder before and it's not really my cup of tea. It feels kind of weird and I do not like the clicks at all. My friend also has the mamba which I can test out. The mamba is the exact same shape as the deathadder right?

I am thinking about the g400, roccat savu and 1 of the zowie mice right now...help me out guys! Which one is the best? (Perfect tracking, feels amazing like the WMO)


There is no best mouse for gaming. Lots of mouse companies use the same high-end sensors. The only real difference amongst the top contenders are shape, weight, & feel. Look around for one with a good reputation that looks like the WMO & has side buttons.

Personally I think the Mionix Naos 3200 is the perfrect mouse, but it has only seven buttons (left click, right click, two middle buttons, scroll wheel, two side buttons), so it's probably not useful to you.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
January 29 2013 15:20 GMT
#1989
Anyone have any bad thoughts about the CM Storm Spawn mouse? I think it looks interesting and comparable to the size of the Zowie Mico mouse. I really like the Zowie Mico.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 29 2013 15:35 GMT
#1990
I've read a few people that owned it and liked it. Ergonomic shape might mean it's not the best lift-off mouse. Supposed to be nearly as good as the Mionix mice in terms of comfort though - but no pinky rest. Apparently you need to turn off angle-snapping/prediction in the driver somehow, so comb through the options.

It uses the Avago 3090 sensor, which is the best current optical sensor, so no worries there.

Like all optical mice its limited to certain DPI settings. It can do 800 dpi, 1800 dpi, & 3500 dpi. So there may be some issue if you prefer under 800 dpi. (The zowie mico, by comparison, does 400/800/1600 dpi & uses a sensor I'm not familiar with).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Eskiya23
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands105 Posts
January 29 2013 16:45 GMT
#1991
I went from Logitec Mini Optical (Rest in peace, I owe my BroodWar prowess to you :D) to this:

+ Show Spoiler +
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It recently broke, the leftclick pin to be precise. It has a very high hump at the bottom, leaving my hand at an uncomfortable angle, now since I'm playing masters players I went and done got a gaming mouse;

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Regarded as the entry model the Roccat Lua mouse, this thing has dpi settings ranging from 250 to 2000. Size wise its about the same as the Logitec Mini Optical. The back hump isnt that high, it has a very pleasant arch, and the buttons are quite low so you can really let your fingers rest close to your mousepad. It has no moving parts, very solid built mouse.
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
January 29 2013 18:00 GMT
#1992
I had the Kone before. But I honestly felt Roccat was a rip off brand in general. Anyone else got that feeling?
So much focus on the colors and cool videos. But the actual product doesn't live up to it. That's how I felt it.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 06:05:38
January 30 2013 06:04 GMT
#1993
Roccat's had some duds.

The Roccat Savu is pretty well-reviewed, however. (Based on the Avago 3090, top end optical sensor righ tnow, same as the Zowie Mico I mentioned above, though different DPI settings.)

Many versions of their laser line (the Kone) have been disasters, but the latest one (Kone XTD) is supposed to be at least a decent implementation of the Avago 9800 (top end laser sensor).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 08:09:02
January 30 2013 08:06 GMT
#1994
On January 30 2013 00:20 KAB00000000M wrote:
Anyone have any bad thoughts about the CM Storm Spawn mouse? I think it looks interesting and comparable to the size of the Zowie Mico mouse. I really like the Zowie Mico.

The CM Storm Spawn is nothing like the MiCO. It's designed for claw grippers in FPS games: short, but wide and rather heavy.

On January 30 2013 15:04 MisterFred wrote:
Roccat's had some duds.

The Roccat Savu is pretty well-reviewed, however. (Based on the Avago 3090, top end optical sensor righ tnow, same as the Zowie Mico I mentioned above, though different DPI settings.)

Many versions of their laser line (the Kone) have been disasters, but the latest one (Kone XTD) is supposed to be at least a decent implementation of the Avago 9800 (top end laser sensor).


The MiCO has a Pixart sensor, not an Avago. Pixart PAN3305DK-H. And yes, the Roccat Savu is probably the best mouse Roccat has ever made. Still overpriced as most of their products IMO.
frostdr
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 10:52:14
January 30 2013 10:10 GMT
#1995
which is the most used pro gamer mouse that has 2 thumb buttons ( i need those cause I am used to it and have important functions on them:1. select idle worker; 2. go to next home base)

at the moment I use the g700 without batteries and a custom thin USB Cable... But somehow the sensor feels uncomfortable

I can do ~120 Points in the sc2gears Mouse training game http://www.abload.de/img/mausbung77uhb.jpg

which isnt too good also, i feel ~150 is the standard hits I should have also..

btw. what did Life use in the squid final in Paris?

and how often do you clean the mouse pad / mouse surface?
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slightly offtopic [mouse agility]:
Feeling victimized helps from extending compassion and comprehension. If you are willing to understand the view points of others, it makes it more difficult to remain upset. That is the goal these posters are trying to avoid; they want to stay upset.
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 10:59:19
January 30 2013 10:54 GMT
#1996
On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
which is the most used pro gamer mouse that has 2 thumb buttons ( i need those cause I am used to it and have important functions on them:1. select idle worker; 2. go to next home base)

Probably the Razer Deathadder and the Steelseries Sensei.

On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
btw. what did Life use in the squid final in Paris?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579&currentpage=36
Last post with a link to the photo.

On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
and how often do you clean the mouse pad / mouse surface?

With some soap and water: once every 2-3 months. Otherwise just wipe the dust away regularly with your hand or a piece of cloth.
Senshin
Profile Joined June 2004
Netherlands115 Posts
January 30 2013 11:33 GMT
#1997
I bought a Razer Ouroboros, very expensive mouse but after almost 10 years of service, Razer diamondback, first optical mouse i wanted something new and wireless.

The Ouroboros is alot heavier but its not a big point, Now I can use more DPI and thanks to the heavier design (lighter then a RAT) i can control it more easy on higher DPI.
And also can use it wired without a battery but nahhhh, then I could better buy something else.

But after some mouse in my hands and did some testing.

Razer taipan, very light and good mouse, almost bought this one but didnt want to because it was wired.
Razer Mamba was like way to big and also the deathadder, dont like the designs.
Rats with wireless is horrible and also horrible heavy.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
January 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#1998
On January 30 2013 19:54 TwilightRain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
which is the most used pro gamer mouse that has 2 thumb buttons ( i need those cause I am used to it and have important functions on them:1. select idle worker; 2. go to next home base)

Probably the Razer Deathadder and the Steelseries Sensei.

On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
btw. what did Life use in the squid final in Paris?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579&currentpage=36
Last post with a link to the photo.

On January 30 2013 19:10 frostdr wrote:
and how often do you clean the mouse pad / mouse surface?

With some soap and water: once every 2-3 months. Otherwise just wipe the dust away regularly with your hand or a piece of cloth.

I actually wipe down my mousepad about once a week with a damp cloth. Granted I'm babying it cause the Hayate L is expensive, but this keeps it looking and performing as new (and hopefully will mean I'll have it for at least a few years). Once in a few months I'll actually use soap and a soft brush, but the more general maintenance I do, the less I'll have to do later.
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 30 2013 15:21 GMT
#1999
On January 30 2013 17:06 TwilightRain wrote:

The MiCO has a Pixart sensor, not an Avago. Pixart PAN3305DK-H. And yes, the Roccat Savu is probably the best mouse Roccat has ever made. Still overpriced as most of their products IMO.


Thank you for the correction. I was thinking the Zowie AM, and totally flubbed that.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 30 2013 15:24 GMT
#2000
On January 30 2013 20:33 Senshin wrote:
I bought a Razer Ouroboros, very expensive mouse but after almost 10 years of service, Razer diamondback, first optical mouse i wanted something new and wireless.

The Ouroboros is alot heavier but its not a big point, Now I can use more DPI and thanks to the heavier design (lighter then a RAT) i can control it more easy on higher DPI.
And also can use it wired without a battery but nahhhh, then I could better buy something else.

But after some mouse in my hands and did some testing.

Razer taipan, very light and good mouse, almost bought this one but didnt want to because it was wired.
Razer Mamba was like way to big and also the deathadder, dont like the designs.
Rats with wireless is horrible and also horrible heavy.


There's a reason gaming mice are all wired. You don't have to worry about a bad wireless connection, random EMI interference, whatever, and as you found out... batteries are heavy.

Wired means having a guaranteed stable connection to the computer & not strapping big weights to the mouse (batteries) = wired better for gaming. The Razer wireless mice are about the only ones that can be recommended - only because they can be used as wired mice and not wireless.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
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