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On March 19 2012 03:52 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 02:20 Nabutso wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Would a Neo Eco 520c be enough to xfire 2 6870s?
edit: nevermind, it comes close but it's too little on the rail. What? A 520c can easily run 6870 in Crossfire unless you have a configuration which makes no sense (eg. having a Bloomfield or Sandybridge-E).
I have a 2600k oc to 4.4ghz on 1.35v with like 7 case fans. The 520c has 40a on the 12v and i read that 2x 6870s are like 35a combined. Are you sure it would work? Do you reccomend just selling 6870 and getting a 7870 or maybe kepler? I can't quite run ffxiv on max in 1600x900 on my 6870 (oc to 990mhz) at 60fps.
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Whatever you read is simply wrong. ~18a for a 6870 is absurd. Xbit shows it is 130w by itself, several CrossfireX reviews show an entire Bloomfield config with Crossfire 6870 to be under 400w during a gaming load. If you are paranoid about trusting benchmarks than buy an inexpensive wattmeter and it'll show you that you're probably under 300w during load.
If you can sell the 6870 for a decent price than getting a 7850 / 7870 might not be a bad idea.
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My mistake. Canadian market. No idea how much the HDDs are there, lol.
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That Vengeance kit doesn't fit under an NH-D14, does it? If you really want that 1600 MHz, I'd just get this Mushkin instead ($12 cheaper too):
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60640
You're missing the promo id on the optical drive link:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64204&promoid=1215
Intel 520 120GB is actually $1 cheaper, and it should be a better SSD overall:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67710
edit: wait nevermind the M4 is cheaper if you actually use the promo id, but just by $20. Considering all of the other high expenses elsewhere I'd consider the Intel 520 still though:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&promoid=1215
edit2: if you're not interested in the mail-in rebate on the power supply, I'd take an Antec TruePower New (650W and 750W are at $90, at $5 more) instead, but these are pretty similar in quality. Normally I wouldn't say anything about semi-modular power supplies, but if you're really getting that much wattage, the units tend to have more cables.
Motherboard still seems expensive to me, but I think you know about that?
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On March 19 2012 07:40 Myrmidon wrote:That Vengeance kit doesn't fit under an NH-D14, does it? If you really want that 1600 MHz, I'd just get this Mushkin instead ($12 cheaper too): http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60640You're missing the promo id on the optical drive link: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64204&promoid=1215Intel 520 120GB is actually $1 cheaper, and it should be a better SSD overall: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67710edit: wait nevermind the M4 is cheaper if you actually use the promo id, but just by $20. Considering all of the other high expenses elsewhere I'd consider the Intel 520 still though: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&promoid=1215edit2: if you're not interested in the mail-in rebate on the power supply, I'd take an Antec TruePower New (650W and 750W are at $90, at $5 more) instead, but these are pretty similar in quality. Normally I wouldn't say anything about semi-modular power supplies, but if you're really getting that much wattage, the units tend to have more cables. Motherboard still seems expensive to me, but I think you know about that?
Shit.. yeah I did some research and I do think the Noctua NH-D14 is incompatible with the RAM.
EDIT: Sorry, not incompatible just too tall.
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Yeah with P280 you have severely negative pressure, so I think the 550D is nicer in at least one sense because by default the configuration makes sure the air comes in through the front dust filters.
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Would this one fit because its low profile?
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Okay well hopefully I can change my order tomorrow 
Thanks once again everyone.
EDIT: Is the case a huge deal, or not a big problem?
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The case isn't a big deal.
You can just cancel your order and re-order... but I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind losing $100.
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I mean, I ordered two additional fans so I could use them on the front of the case. I thought that would allow for some pretty good air flow.
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More fans will help but its not going to do much if you have a mass of wires blocking your air flow.
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On March 19 2012 09:01 Cozzak wrote:
I mean, I ordered two additional fans so I could use them on the front of the case. I thought that would allow for some pretty good air flow.
Wind tunnel != good air flow, and doesn't always equate to good cooling. Some of the best cases on the market have just 2-3 fans. It's about direction, efficiency, and planning in advance. There's a lot of factors that work together to turn into good cooling.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 17:03 Melancholia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 10:00 skyR wrote:On February 18 2012 05:40 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm back once more, this time looking for a high-end build for a friend.
What is your budget?
$2000-2500, with more available if there is a significant enough performance increase to warrant it
What is your resolution?
1920x1200, multiple monitor support would be useful. An additional monitor is probably the only part that might be added mid-cycle
What are you using it for?
To quote him: "games, 3D modelling, software engineering. In order of priority, RAM, GFX, CPU. I want to get a solid state primary drive, too, for speed."
From speaking with him the most taxing use will definitely be the 3D modelling, he does some significant work as a Masters level mechanical engineering student, as well as a large number of other projects. He's fairly insistent that it have 32 GBs of RAM for that purpose, though if you are certain that RAM wouldn't be the limiting factor then let me know.
What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years between machines, with no plans to upgrade mid-cycle
When do you plan on building it?
Now
Do you plan on overclocking?
My guess would be yes, when the task warrants it.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If the usage requires it. It is unlikely that a second will be added at a later date, everything will be purchased at the start.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, other online sources if the price warrants it, and there is a Fry's nearby if they have any deals There are a billion ways you can allocate a $2500 budget. For $2500, I'd of course build on LGA2011 but you said processor is the last of his concerns so hex and octo cores may not be worth it. LGA1155 is limited to 32gb and quad cores while LGA2011 is expandable to 64gb and octo cores. Building on LGA1155 will of course not come close to $2500 without doing a multi-GPU configuration. For GPU, you basically want a 7970 for this budget but the good ones are extremely hard to find right now because everyone wants it. You can pre-order the ASUS HD7970 DirectCuII at Amazon for $580: http://www.amazon.com/DirectCU-1000MHz-Overclocked-Graphics-HD7970-DC2T-3GD5/dp/B00739TCH8/ If you can't wait than you can grab a Radeon HD7950 for $100 less. Plextor M3 128gb for $160 is a hot deal right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249014You'd obviously want a nice case and power supply for such a build. I'd suggest the Antec P280 for $112: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65170 and a Capstone 550: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 if you are doing a single GPU configuration. If you are looking for something modular than a Seasonic X is a nice option that's fully modular but is also significantly more expensive. For 32gb, you'd want / need 8gb modules, $208 with promo code until the 22nd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231487You'd want a Noctua NH-D14, Phanteks PH-TC14, or a Thermalright Silverarrow. I'm back with some more questions, the purchase got a bit delayed and there are some options on a few things we didn't nail down. 1) The option to go nuts with RAM pretty much guarantees that we'll be going with an LGA2011 motherboard. It looks like there are three real options, cheapest to most expensive being i7-3820 (~$400), i7-3930k (~$700), and i7-3960x (~$1000). I'm assuming the 3820 can't overclock and would probably underperform for this build/budget, though since I don't do intensive modelling myself I wouldn't know if the CPU is not the bottleneck. The 3930k seems like a very attractive middle ground, is there any pressing reason to not take it over the 3960x? 2) Is there a particular motherboard/manufacturer that we should be looking at? 3) The friend that is building this is definitely considering running SLI, particularly noting the benchmark performance/price ration for the GTX 480. I know this would be a power hog and run quite hot, though it does seem that it would outperform the 7970 for somewhat cheaper. Another option may be a single GTX 480, being about $300 cheaper than the 7970 and benchmarking not that much behind it. What are the pros/cons that I'm missing here, and what would be the final advice? 4) We obviously missed the SSD sale, so a new SSD recommendation would be appreciated. Also, what are notable differences between different SSDs? In terms of performance, reliability, etc.? 5) If we did go with dual GTX 480s, or a single one, what would be the power supply changes? Two cards would presumably push us past 550W. 6) Considering that my friend has been more insistent on getting a lot of RAM in this system than he has been about any other component might this be the rare case where 1600 or higher frequency RAM (if that's the right terminology) is actually worth it? Or still stick with 1333? Looking at the prices for anything above 1600 I'm assuming we would be better off going for 64GB of 1333, but 1600 isn't that much more expensive.
Hello all, I am back once more. This purchase has been going slowly for a while now for several reasons, but we are nearly at a final list.
$600 - i7-3930k
$280 - ASRock X79 Extreme6/GB LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0
$490 - GeIL EVO CORSA Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 1333
$560 HIS Radeon HD 7970
OR
$580ish - if rumours are true, the GTX 680 is out on 3/22 at around this price point. Opinions?
$80 - Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550 550W
$60 - Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$330 - Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW240A3K5 2.5" 240GB SATA
We don't need an HDD or a disc drive. Are there any notable compatibility/quality/price errors in this list?
III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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On March 19 2012 10:56 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 17:03 Melancholia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 10:00 skyR wrote:On February 18 2012 05:40 Melancholia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm back once more, this time looking for a high-end build for a friend.
What is your budget?
$2000-2500, with more available if there is a significant enough performance increase to warrant it
What is your resolution?
1920x1200, multiple monitor support would be useful. An additional monitor is probably the only part that might be added mid-cycle
What are you using it for?
To quote him: "games, 3D modelling, software engineering. In order of priority, RAM, GFX, CPU. I want to get a solid state primary drive, too, for speed."
From speaking with him the most taxing use will definitely be the 3D modelling, he does some significant work as a Masters level mechanical engineering student, as well as a large number of other projects. He's fairly insistent that it have 32 GBs of RAM for that purpose, though if you are certain that RAM wouldn't be the limiting factor then let me know.
What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years between machines, with no plans to upgrade mid-cycle
When do you plan on building it?
Now
Do you plan on overclocking?
My guess would be yes, when the task warrants it.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If the usage requires it. It is unlikely that a second will be added at a later date, everything will be purchased at the start.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, other online sources if the price warrants it, and there is a Fry's nearby if they have any deals There are a billion ways you can allocate a $2500 budget. For $2500, I'd of course build on LGA2011 but you said processor is the last of his concerns so hex and octo cores may not be worth it. LGA1155 is limited to 32gb and quad cores while LGA2011 is expandable to 64gb and octo cores. Building on LGA1155 will of course not come close to $2500 without doing a multi-GPU configuration. For GPU, you basically want a 7970 for this budget but the good ones are extremely hard to find right now because everyone wants it. You can pre-order the ASUS HD7970 DirectCuII at Amazon for $580: http://www.amazon.com/DirectCU-1000MHz-Overclocked-Graphics-HD7970-DC2T-3GD5/dp/B00739TCH8/ If you can't wait than you can grab a Radeon HD7950 for $100 less. Plextor M3 128gb for $160 is a hot deal right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249014You'd obviously want a nice case and power supply for such a build. I'd suggest the Antec P280 for $112: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65170 and a Capstone 550: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 if you are doing a single GPU configuration. If you are looking for something modular than a Seasonic X is a nice option that's fully modular but is also significantly more expensive. For 32gb, you'd want / need 8gb modules, $208 with promo code until the 22nd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231487You'd want a Noctua NH-D14, Phanteks PH-TC14, or a Thermalright Silverarrow. I'm back with some more questions, the purchase got a bit delayed and there are some options on a few things we didn't nail down. 1) The option to go nuts with RAM pretty much guarantees that we'll be going with an LGA2011 motherboard. It looks like there are three real options, cheapest to most expensive being i7-3820 (~$400), i7-3930k (~$700), and i7-3960x (~$1000). I'm assuming the 3820 can't overclock and would probably underperform for this build/budget, though since I don't do intensive modelling myself I wouldn't know if the CPU is not the bottleneck. The 3930k seems like a very attractive middle ground, is there any pressing reason to not take it over the 3960x? 2) Is there a particular motherboard/manufacturer that we should be looking at? 3) The friend that is building this is definitely considering running SLI, particularly noting the benchmark performance/price ration for the GTX 480. I know this would be a power hog and run quite hot, though it does seem that it would outperform the 7970 for somewhat cheaper. Another option may be a single GTX 480, being about $300 cheaper than the 7970 and benchmarking not that much behind it. What are the pros/cons that I'm missing here, and what would be the final advice? 4) We obviously missed the SSD sale, so a new SSD recommendation would be appreciated. Also, what are notable differences between different SSDs? In terms of performance, reliability, etc.? 5) If we did go with dual GTX 480s, or a single one, what would be the power supply changes? Two cards would presumably push us past 550W. 6) Considering that my friend has been more insistent on getting a lot of RAM in this system than he has been about any other component might this be the rare case where 1600 or higher frequency RAM (if that's the right terminology) is actually worth it? Or still stick with 1333? Looking at the prices for anything above 1600 I'm assuming we would be better off going for 64GB of 1333, but 1600 isn't that much more expensive. Hello all, I am back once more. This purchase has been going slowly for a while now for several reasons, but we are nearly at a final list. $600 - i7-3930k$280 - ASRock X79 Extreme6/GB LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0$490 - GeIL EVO CORSA Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 1333$560 HIS Radeon HD 7970OR$580ish - if rumours are true, the GTX 680 is out on 3/22 at around this price point. Opinions? $80 - Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-550 550W$60 - Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case$330 - Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW240A3K5 2.5" 240GB SATAWe don't need an HDD or a disc drive. Are there any notable compatibility/quality/price errors in this list? III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
One major flaw is you're missing a heatsink.
The Geil EVO Corsa are ridiculous ugly and have tall heatspreaders, the larger heatsinks won't have clearance for these.
Might as well to see how Kepler does before jumping on GCN though I wouldn't get a reference card, I'd get Sapphire Dual-X instead for slightly more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102982
A $60 Rosewill case is sort of out of place for this budget.
You can get the CPU and motherboard in a combo to save some money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.833048 Though I can't say I'm a fan of using Asrock boards for this budget since that board uses a Broadcom NIC and Texas Instrument USB3 chipset (no clue how good or bad this is, edit: a quick google shows that TI is terrible).
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That's okay except I'd get a different case, that's very ridiculous getting such a trash case for a composition like that as it seems like you definitely don't care about bang for buck.
I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112240
Oh oops and for a heatsink something like NH-D14.
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I guess that's a pretty good point although Lian Li =(
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