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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 03:17:34
March 18 2012 03:17 GMT
#19641
@Hellgoat

On that website I'd go for the MSI Twin Frozr 7850. The Twin Frozr is a respectable heatsink, and it's the cheapest I saw.

As for coolers, the CoolerMaster 212 Evo is high performing heatsink that's cheap for no apparent reason.
The HR-02 Macho is also a great heatsink, and is remarkably quiet, it's probably the one I'd buy.
Noctua D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow/Archon for top of the line, but you probably don't want to pay for that.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 03:29:00
March 18 2012 03:22 GMT
#19642
On March 18 2012 08:19 hellgoat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello people. I'm building a PC for a buddy of mine and I could use some feedback. Here's what I have so far:

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Rev 1.3
Harddrive: 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm SATA 6Gbit/s
CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K
RAM: Corsair 8GB (2x4096MB) CL9 1333Mhz
Case: Fractal Design Define R3 USB 3.0
PSU: Corsair TX 650W V2 80+ Bronze
SSD: Crucial SSD m4 64GB
Graphics: An AMD 7850, model TBD
Monitor: Dell UltraSharp 23'' U2312HM IPS LED

Buying from a swedish site, so obviously most of you can't help a lot with price optimization, but I would like some help with two things.
First, I have no idea which model 7850 to recommend. I know the only differences are cooling and custom support, but still, should I just recommend the cheapest or is there value to picking a certain one?
I would also like advice to which CPU Heatsink to buy. I personally have a CM Hyper 212+ which I'm fairly happy with, but it was a bitch to mount and it's not available on the site. Here is a list of available Heatsinks. You can just choose "Ja" under Intel 1155/56 and it'll sort those sinks by price. I can't link that as the link has brackets.
Just thought I'd clarify: We're looking to OC to maybe ~4,5ghz, so don't really need any monster sinks. Rather looking for the good, cheap ones.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give <3


The successor to Hyper 212+ is the Hyper 212 EVO which is available: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5322017/ Pretty sure the mounting system is still god awful though.

As for which 7850, well that depends on which ones are stocked. I would probably pick the MSI Twin Frozr III, ASUS DirectCu II, or Sapphire Dual-X

I would get XFX Core Edition 650 over the Corsair TX650v2: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6900528 Both are the exact same Seasonic design, just the XFX is less expensive and has enough PCIe cables (edit: I forgot 7850 is a single 6pin but still I 'd get the XFX) for CrossfireX (which you are doing).
hellgoat
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden30 Posts
March 18 2012 03:48 GMT
#19643
On March 18 2012 12:22 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

The successor to Hyper 212+ is the Hyper 212 EVO which is available: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5322017/ Pretty sure the mounting system is still god awful though.

As for which 7850, well that depends on which ones are stocked. I would probably pick the MSI Twin Frozr III, ASUS DirectCu II, or Sapphire Dual-X

I would get XFX Core Edition 650 over the Corsair TX650v2: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6900528 Both are the exact same Seasonic design, just the XFX is less expensive and has enough PCIe cables (edit: I forgot 7850 is a single 6pin but still I 'd get the XFX) for CrossfireX (which you are doing).


I'm assuming you are assuming I'm going CrossfireX because of the motherboard and slightly overkill PSU? Well, as I said, it's for a friend, and while we haven't exactly talked it through, I thought I'd keep the option open down the line. The motherboard and PSU came highly recommended to me as well.

If I decided not to go for a CrossfireX-setup at all, what would people recommend I change? For my own setup I'm using the Asrock P67 Pro3, which I'm happy with. But I feel like people won't stop talking about the Z68, and that I must've missed something vital when I went for a P67, as those boards rarely come up in discussions. For reference, here is a link to the available 1155 motherboards, sorted by price.

skyR recommends the XFX PSU over the one I chose, are their lower Watt series as good? If I decide against CrossfireX, what wattage should I aim for? Would a 450 suffice?

Very thankful for the feedback from skyR and MisterFred.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 18 2012 04:19 GMT
#19644
No, their units under 650W are not as good (different and cheaper design), but they're still among the best lower-budget power supplies. The 450W would be a good option. The Antec Earthwatts Green 380W is also a decent option if it's no more than a HD 7850.

For no multi-GPU, AsRock P67 Pro3 is priced pretty well there. I don't know who it is that's talking about Z68, but all you get over P67 is the ability to use the integrated graphics (and Quick Sync) on most models, and Intel SSD caching so you can use a separate SSD as a cache for an HDD and have them show up in the OS as one drive (but with lower performance, less control over what goes where). It's not anything special.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 18 2012 04:25 GMT
#19645
Z68 has a few minor benefits over p67, so that if boards are about the same price, you should go for z68. But the benefits are pretty small. Probably the biggest is that you can use integrated graphics if something goes wrong with your gpu.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
AnDa1120
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada472 Posts
March 18 2012 04:32 GMT
#19646
Is there a big difference between the i5 2400 vs i5 2500(k) overall?

I'm looking to play on 1920x1080 with medium settings~ and stream at maybe 720p. Don't think I will over-clock but possibly.
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 18 2012 04:36 GMT
#19647
Between the i5-2400 and i5-2500? No, the i5-2500 will be a tiny bit faster (probably not noticeable). There is a major difference between either of those and an i5-2500K - the K suffix indicates the ability to overclock. Which adds significantly to performance. Especially if you want to stream SC2.

An i5-2400 can stream, but I dunno how smooth 720p will be. Have to find someone who knows more for that. If you REALLY want to stream and not overclock, consider also the i7-2600.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 18 2012 04:37 GMT
#19648
On March 18 2012 12:48 hellgoat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2012 12:22 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

The successor to Hyper 212+ is the Hyper 212 EVO which is available: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5322017/ Pretty sure the mounting system is still god awful though.

As for which 7850, well that depends on which ones are stocked. I would probably pick the MSI Twin Frozr III, ASUS DirectCu II, or Sapphire Dual-X

I would get XFX Core Edition 650 over the Corsair TX650v2: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6900528 Both are the exact same Seasonic design, just the XFX is less expensive and has enough PCIe cables (edit: I forgot 7850 is a single 6pin but still I 'd get the XFX) for CrossfireX (which you are doing).


I'm assuming you are assuming I'm going CrossfireX because of the motherboard and slightly overkill PSU? Well, as I said, it's for a friend, and while we haven't exactly talked it through, I thought I'd keep the option open down the line. The motherboard and PSU came highly recommended to me as well.

If I decided not to go for a CrossfireX-setup at all, what would people recommend I change? For my own setup I'm using the Asrock P67 Pro3, which I'm happy with. But I feel like people won't stop talking about the Z68, and that I must've missed something vital when I went for a P67, as those boards rarely come up in discussions. For reference, here is a link to the available 1155 motherboards, sorted by price.

skyR recommends the XFX PSU over the one I chose, are their lower Watt series as good? If I decide against CrossfireX, what wattage should I aim for? Would a 450 suffice?

Very thankful for the feedback from skyR and MisterFred.


Myrmidon covered everything.

I just want to point out that you don't hear much about P67 because P67 was the initial launch board while Z68 came later. Most manufacturers have replaced their lower-end P67 boards with Z68 equivalents.

On March 18 2012 13:32 Kilos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Is there a big difference between the i5 2400 vs i5 2500(k) overall?

I'm looking to play on 1920x1080 with medium settings~ and stream at maybe 720p. Don't think I will over-clock but possibly


Considering how the 2500k has an unlocked multiplier, the difference is pretty big. But 2400 would achieve a decent 720p stream.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
March 18 2012 09:50 GMT
#19649
I am thinking of buying 680 gtx when it's coming. Upgrading from amd 6870 which I bought last year. Will my Thermaltake Toughpower XT 775W run it without any problems?

My rest of the specs are i5-2500k, 8gb ddr3
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 18 2012 15:09 GMT
#19650
On March 18 2012 18:50 PeZuY wrote:
I am thinking of buying 680 gtx when it's coming. Upgrading from amd 6870 which I bought last year. Will my Thermaltake Toughpower XT 775W run it without any problems?

My rest of the specs are i5-2500k, 8gb ddr3

Toughpower XT 775W is actually a very good model, and I have no idea why you have one to run a single GPU setup? You could run three GTX 680s off of that.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
March 18 2012 16:44 GMT
#19651
On March 19 2012 00:09 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 18:50 PeZuY wrote:
I am thinking of buying 680 gtx when it's coming. Upgrading from amd 6870 which I bought last year. Will my Thermaltake Toughpower XT 775W run it without any problems?

My rest of the specs are i5-2500k, 8gb ddr3

Toughpower XT 775W is actually a very good model, and I have no idea why you have one to run a single GPU setup? You could run three GTX 680s off of that.


Well the thing is that I got it 40€ at the time since it was for some reason 50% off from normal price. And if I didn't buy it I would've payed more just to get 500w power so that's the reason for me. But thank you for clarification !
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 17:27:48
March 18 2012 17:20 GMT
#19652
Would a Neo Eco 520c be enough to xfire 2 6870s?

edit: nevermind, it comes close but it's too little on the rail.
AnDa1120
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada472 Posts
March 18 2012 17:35 GMT
#19653
Is the MSI GTX 465 Twin Frozr II Golden Edition Fermi 607MHZ 1280MB 320-BIT GDDR5 2XDVI PCI-E Video Card for $120 a good deal?
http://www.twitch.tv/area51_anda | @ahandyhoang | areaAnDa.751 | Terran | NaDa ♥
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 18 2012 17:45 GMT
#19654
On March 19 2012 02:35 Kilos wrote:
Is the MSI GTX 465 Twin Frozr II Golden Edition Fermi 607MHZ 1280MB 320-BIT GDDR5 2XDVI PCI-E Video Card for $120 a good deal?


No GTX 465 is a good deal, ever. Hot, inefficient, weak pieces of overpriced shit. Unless you're getting it free, it's a bad deal.
thirtythree
Profile Joined September 2011
38 Posts
March 18 2012 18:44 GMT
#19655
Hi guys,

I'm planning on building a new computer this week if I can get my hands on a GTX 680. I already have a case and memory picked out. I also think I'm going to get an i5 2500k unless someone wants to convince me that waiting a month for ivy bridge is worthwhile. So, the main things I need recommendations for are a power supply, motherboard and an SSD. I was thinking a 240gb intel 520 ssd would work out the best for me. Any thoughts? I mainly just play games and watch movies. I'd like to be able to overclock also.

Thanks for your time.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 18 2012 18:52 GMT
#19656
On March 19 2012 02:20 Nabutso wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Would a Neo Eco 520c be enough to xfire 2 6870s?

edit: nevermind, it comes close but it's too little on the rail.


What? A 520c can easily run 6870 in Crossfire unless you have a configuration which makes no sense (eg. having a Bloomfield or Sandybridge-E).
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
March 18 2012 19:09 GMT
#19657
On March 19 2012 02:20 Nabutso wrote:
Would a Neo Eco 520c be enough to xfire 2 6870s?

edit: nevermind, it comes close but it's too little on the rail.


Dont 6870s microstutter?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 18 2012 19:14 GMT
#19658
On March 19 2012 04:09 STYDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 02:20 Nabutso wrote:
Would a Neo Eco 520c be enough to xfire 2 6870s?

edit: nevermind, it comes close but it's too little on the rail.


Dont 6870s microstutter?


Microstutters don't cause trouble unless you're getting low FPS, where the stutter frame time can be long enough to cause consistency issues. If your CFX/SLI setup can Vsync at 60 at your settings, even stuttering frametimes won't cause trouble.

It's generally only an issue when you try to go multi-low-end card and shoot for high settings.
Cozzak
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada54 Posts
March 18 2012 19:26 GMT
#19659
Can I buy two of these: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59431

And run both sets (4 total) on this: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=65323
?

Thanks
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 19:32:42
March 18 2012 19:29 GMT
#19660
Yes, but it seems way overpriced. That RAM is way more expensive than it needs to be. And the motherboard will work, but I'm pretty sure its one of the higher end motherboards that most people won't need.
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