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Posted in another thread but wanted to get some input from here:
Right, after gruelling consideration I think I have cracked it whilst still just about being within budget:
LG GH22NS50 22x SATA Internal DVD±RW Burner
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 Hard Disk Drive 250 GB 7200 RPM SATA 8 MB Internal
GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 - LGA1155 Socket - Intel P67 Chipset - ATX
PATRIOT 4 GB Single Channel DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL9 G Series PC Memory Module
Cooler Master Silencio 550 PC Case + GX 550 W power
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 560 Ti OC - 1 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 2.0
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium
Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.3 GHz - 6 MB L3 Cache - LGA 1155 Socket
I have checked compatibility from my very limited knowledge but would be very grateful if someone could tell me if I have made any mistakes, or if there are any obvious flaws, again this is my first build.
^^and thank you for all you help so far.
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@DrN0
Where are you buying from? Are you open to other UK e-tailers?
You'll want 2x4 GB RAM if you can afford it right away. Dual channel gives measurably/noticeably more performance than single.
Also while that case is okay, the PSU might not be. Link to it pls? If it's the RS-550-ACAA-D3 model, it's okay but there are most likely better PSU's to be found within its price range. If it's the older E3 and not D3, you'll want to stay far away from it.
Also, are you just going to buy aftermarket CPU cooling later?
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That's 120gb, not 128gb. I don't recommend Sandforce.
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On March 17 2012 01:18 Wabbit wrote:
@DrN0
Where are you buying from? Are you open to other UK e-tailers?
You'll want 2x4 GB RAM if you can afford it right away. Dual channel gives measurably/noticeably more performance than single.
Also while that case is okay, the PSU might not be. Link to it pls? If it's the RS-550-ACAA-D3 model, it's okay but there are most likely better PSU's to be found within its price range. If it's the older E3 and not D3, you'll want to stay far away from it.
Also, are you just going to buy aftermarket CPU cooling later?
Very open to other UK retailers if you have a better idea I have looked at almost all of them and whilst scan has the best information it is more expensive so for this I used pixmania which seemed pretty good.
AS far as Psu's are concerned I can get another 100 watts for another £8 so that might be worth it, the case and PSU come in a bundle this is the one I listed: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/10760975/art/cooler-master/silencio-550-pc-case-gx-5.html#pix-review I tried to find the model but it wasn't listed maybe I should pay the extra £8 for piece of mind, what do you think?
As far as ram goes I was planning to up it later but I can probably get the dual channel now so I might as well, the thing I was most worried about was the motherboard, but it seems to be suitable.
As far as aftermarket CPU cooling I was planning on using the PC for maybe a year or half a year whilst the processor speeds are still very decent after they start to drop relative to the market I was planning on overclocking, but I thought since I am on a budget wait until then to buy the cooling, thoughts?
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@DrNo: The problem with PSU's is that they often don't have the amount of Watts they say they will. You really have to look at some objective testing website, to see the different efficiency's and actual wattages you get.
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Watts are not like hertz. More of them does not mean some aspect of your computer is faster or will run better. PSU's are a pass/fail exercise. You either have enough for your build, or you don't.
Future components will be more power efficient, as well as faster, so you generally won't need more PSU until A: it dies, B: you build an overall (much) more powerful rig, or C: connector standards change again.
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On March 17 2012 03:29 JingleHell wrote:
Watts are not like hertz. More of them does not mean some aspect of your computer is faster or will run better. PSU's are a pass/fail exercise. You either have enough for your build, or you don't.
Future components will be more power efficient, as well as faster, so you generally won't need more PSU until A: it dies, B: you build an overall (much) more powerful rig, or C: connector standards change again.
I wasn't suggesting that at all and am familiar with electricity what I was suggesting is whether I should upgrade for piece of mind and to not have to worry about the wattage at all.
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550W is already more than plenty for an overclocked 2500K and overclocked 560ti. You'll hardly exceed about ~300W under load unless you overclock pretty darn high.
The point was, you want a unit that can actually deliver the labeled wattage, and do so cleanly. As I explained earlier, there are two versions of the GX550, and the older one is terrible, with the newer one being pretty okay.
Also you still did not mention the pricing for your components and your budget limit. We don't just help people select parts that work together, but also optimize builds with the best quality & value parts.
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On March 17 2012 04:07 Wabbit wrote:
550W is already more than plenty for an overclocked 2500K and overclocked 560ti. You'll hardly exceed about ~300W under load unless you overclock pretty darn high.
The point was, you want a unit that can actually deliver the labeled wattage, and do so cleanly. As I explained earlier, there are two versions of the GX550, and the older one is terrible, with the newer one being pretty okay.
Also you still did not mention the pricing for your components and your budget limit. We don't just help people select parts that work together, but also optimize builds with the best quality & value parts.
Well I am pretty unsure on the budget myself, anything below £600 is dandy and anything below £700 is acceptable I can probably swing £740 but its a squeeze, as far as the PSU is concerned as I have said the website does not list the model and they are doing a bundle deal on it as shown by the link I posted, my point was as I still have no idea just how good this PSU is should I spend an extra £8 just to have piece of mind, I feel I am repeating myself a bit here but the point in me spending that extra money is purely to make sure I have enough wattage no matter which model it is, and whilst I appreciate what you are trying to say about the PSU's but the overall saving here is almost worth it I feel because I simply can't find parts for a i5 build with a GTX560 Ti card with uprgrade capabilities for my budget, I feel as though taking an inferior graphics card, processor or motherboard would hurt me too much in terms of performance vs money spent, I would like a machine that is at least decent for a year, so this is the starting point and if that means possibly taking an inefficient PSU because it is in a bundle deal on the website, which after several checks seems to be the cheapest website for the UK, then so be it.
Here is what I am looking at now:
Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.3 GHz - 6 MB L3 Cache - LGA 1155 Socket - £153
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 Hard Disk Drive 250 GB 7200 RPM SATA 8 MB Internal - £30.68 (I have a 2TB external).
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Home Premium - £80
Cooler Master Silencio 550 PC Case + GX 550 W power - £101 (Pay another £8 for an extra 100 watts)
GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 - LGA1155 Socket - Intel P67 Chipset - ATX - £95
LG GH22NS50 22x SATA Internal DVD±RW Burner - £28.44
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 560 Ti OC - 1 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 2.0 (GV-N560OC-1GI) - £165.90
Corsair 2 x 4 GB DDR3-1600 - PC3-12800 - CL9 Vengeance Performance PC Memory Modules (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 - £36.90
In total £691.31 Still pondering the motherboard though.
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Just wanted some input from you guys on this thing. I know it's wayyyy too much, but WHY WHY WHY in the world would anyone need 128gb of ram right now?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 17 2012 06:52 Anktious wrote:Just wanted some input from you guys on this thing. I know it's wayyyy too much, but WHY WHY WHY in the world would anyone need 128gb of ram right now? + Show Spoiler +
That's an enthusiast board. Designed for people who build $3500-$10,000 or even more rigs with custom liquid cooling, multiple loops, or extreme cooling methods, and benchmark for fun and profit.
Needs rarely have anything to do with hobbies.
Nobody needs a danger den case, either, but they sell. Nobody needs a Porsche. Nobody needs three houses, or an indoor olympic sized swimming pool... people pay out obscene amounts of money for all kinds of things they don't "need". By those standards, a massively overpowered PC is rather cheap.
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On March 17 2012 06:55 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 06:52 Anktious wrote:Just wanted some input from you guys on this thing. I know it's wayyyy too much, but WHY WHY WHY in the world would anyone need 128gb of ram right now? + Show Spoiler + That's an enthusiast board. Designed for people who build $3500-$10,000 or even more rigs with custom liquid cooling, multiple loops, or extreme cooling methods, and benchmark for fun and profit. Needs rarely have anything to do with hobbies. Nobody needs a danger den case, either, but they sell. Nobody needs a Porsche. Nobody needs three houses, or an indoor olympic sized swimming pool... people pay out obscene amounts of money for all kinds of things they don't "need". By those standards, a massively overpowered PC is rather cheap.
I didn't even think of it that way, thank you for that, dear sir.
Now that you mention it, I guess I might be interested in this board after all :D
Maybe after getting my Audi though (2-3 years from now).
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On March 17 2012 11:20 Anktious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 06:55 JingleHell wrote:On March 17 2012 06:52 Anktious wrote:Just wanted some input from you guys on this thing. I know it's wayyyy too much, but WHY WHY WHY in the world would anyone need 128gb of ram right now? + Show Spoiler + That's an enthusiast board. Designed for people who build $3500-$10,000 or even more rigs with custom liquid cooling, multiple loops, or extreme cooling methods, and benchmark for fun and profit. Needs rarely have anything to do with hobbies. Nobody needs a danger den case, either, but they sell. Nobody needs a Porsche. Nobody needs three houses, or an indoor olympic sized swimming pool... people pay out obscene amounts of money for all kinds of things they don't "need". By those standards, a massively overpowered PC is rather cheap. I didn't even think of it that way, thank you for that, dear sir. Now that you mention it, I guess I might be interested in this board after all :D Maybe after getting my Audi though (2-3 years from now).
In that amount of time, you'd be interested in an entirely different hardware configuration. When you look at spending that kind of money, the research becomes more important, not less. A PC like that with bad optimization is like owning a Porsche and not having a driver's license. There's no E-peen to be gained if your PC is clearly just money thrown around without considering parts.
Just remember that it IS an expensive hobby to get into.
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And there's nothing worse than having your toys laughed at. Seeing someone on a forum get mocked for their badly-selected super-expensive computer parts reminds me of a teacher I had in high school whose Porsche broke down and forced him to bum a ride from a colleague who drove an old 70's beatle.
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Hi, I have a motherboard that has expansion capabilities of
* 1x PCI Express x1 Slot
* 1x PCI Express x4 Slot
* 1x PCI Express x16 Slot
Can this videocard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490
be run on that motherboard? If more info is needed then let me know, I don't know much about this stuff...
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Pretty much every video card fits into a PCI-E x16 slot. Any modern motherboard should be able to run a single modern GPU. Tell us your motherboard if you want us to be more specific.
Technically, you can run a video card in an x4 or even x1 with some hack-saw work, but don't do that.
For ~$100 video cards, I'd consider a 7750. You can get one for about the same price as the 5770 you linked. Performance is about the same (they trade minor leads in most games according to anandtech, save Skyrim where the 7750 has the advantage), but the tech is newer. Which might count for something. Also, if you value rebates, there's a $120 AMIR 6850 on newegg which is better than either of the other cards mentioned. After that you're pretty much looking at considerably more for a 6870.
I think, I haven't been paying attention to Nvidia pricing.
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