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On March 04 2012 13:08 skyR wrote:
Both AMD and Intel uses K suffix to indicate that the processor has an unlocked multiplier.
I know that (AMD recently started copying the K suffix though), but having an unlocked multiplier isn't a bad thing even if you won't overclock. the 3650 is the version that isn't unlocked, but besides having lower stock clock, even if you match it with the cheapest fm1 board, you won't get under 160$
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Well you're right. It's just assumed that one is expected to overclock with a K suffix processor.
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Hi, I'm going to be buying parts for a new PC in a couple of weeks and I really don't know all that much about the best components to get, if you guys could suggest a rough build I would really appreciate it. My budget is for everything including case/monitor/power and all that stuff.
What is your budget?
£700 ($1100) ideally, can stretch a bit further if I have to.
What is your resolution?
Buying a monitor with the PC
What are you using it for?
I want a high performance PC for gaming, I want to be able to run games like SC2, BF3, Crysis 2, Skyrim.. at the highest settings possible. I will not be using it for anything else other than gaming.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2+ years at least
When do you plan on building it?
3/4 weeks from now
Do you plan on overclocking?
No, definitely not.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, unless it's essential.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am from the UK, so I'll be buying from Amazon/Scan, unless there are way better deals somewhere else.
Thanks
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And regarding the store website layout, i did a simple illustration if you can read my terrible writing.
ideal (alina)
not so ideal (newegg)
Well, it's just my personal preference, and maybe I just haven't figured out how to browse newegg yet. But I believe it should be very intuitive and simple to browse computer parts. One thing that i like about newegg though is that it has a nice autocorrection for the searches.
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On March 04 2012 13:46 Shauni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +And regarding the store website layout, i did a simple illustration if you can read my terrible writing. ideal (alina) not so ideal (newegg) Well, it's just my personal preference, and maybe I just haven't figured out how to browse newegg yet. But I believe it should be very intuitive and simple to browse computer parts. One thing that i like about newegg though is that it has a nice autocorrection for the searches.
Uh... on both websites, the ads on the righthand side are not part of the design.
Alina uses Javascript (I'm not a programmer so correct me if I'm wrong) for the list of products whereas Newegg doesn't.
Ads on Alina are irrelevant to what the consumer is looking for, it's a larger focal point of the page than it is on Newegg, and worse of all it's persistent (wtf? Talk about annoying and waste of space).
A footer doesn't even exist... There's a serious design flaw when I see "copyright" and stuff that belongs in a footer merged into your body next to your primary navigation or is visible when I'm looking at product details.
Having a persistent navigational bar is a plus except that Alina doesn't put it to good use as it doesn't have anything useful except for search and the shopping cart.
On Newegg, you hover over Computer hardware and click Memory > Desktop Memory. Two clicks gets you to a list of products. The default sort is featured items which I already explained makes the most sense for both the consumer and the retailer.
On Alina, you click Computers & Software > Components > Memory > DDR3. Four clicks to get a list that is not sorted by any logical sense...
Not to mention there's like no white space..
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@Nabutso
+ Show Spoiler +On March 04 2012 10:36 Nabutso wrote:
What is your budget? $300-350 max, with shipping
What is your resolution? 1280x1024
What are you using it for? Light gaming (League of Legends and maybe SC2 will be the most demanding, only need to be playable at low settings), aswell as light streaming (Not any higher than 480p).
What is your upgrade cycle? unknown, system isn't for me
When do you plan on building it? Next week
Do you plan on overclocking? No
Do you need an Operating System? No
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg.
Don't go with AMD processors for playing SC2, as was recommended above. They're not as fast as Intel processors, and that's what's important for SC2. Luckily, SC2 and LoL require basically no graphics power. So this build takes you seriously on that only SC2 and LoL in terms of what it can do and doesn't get a discrete graphics card.
Mobo: Asrock H61M-VS @ $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241
Note this motherboard has ONLY a VGA output for monitor. If your monitor requires DVI or if you might upgrade to a DVI monitor during this computer's lifetime, spend $7 more for the Asrock H61M-GE, which has both VGA and DVI connections. Didn't look for an HDMI option, since you probably don't need it.
CPU: Pentium g840 @ $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819116398&SubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&Page=1
I have a g850, and it does at least 2v2 late game just fine on low. 3v3 I haven't tested much, but should be playable. 4v4 I also haven't tested. This is about as good as you can get in your price range. You can drop down a few steps in speed if you want to save $15 or so, but if your primary goal is SC2, I wouldn't. P.S. The g850 is limited to some combo deal, didn't want to take the time to find out which one. They're pretty much the same processor.
RAM: 2x2GB 1333mhz @ $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576003
8GB is $15 more and you probably won't use or need it. If you want to leave the option to upgrade to 2x4gb of ram or a massive evil geniuses fan, you can get a single 4gb stick of Kingston valuRAM at us.ncix.com for $17. Two sticks is marginally faster than 1, however.
GPU: Intel integrated graphics. Yes, it will run SC2 on low. No, it will not run SC2 on medium. Yes, it will run LoL. Some more demanding games can be played on lowest. Some can't.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb @ $76
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&vpn=ST500DM002&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1009
Double the storage space can be had for $22 more (same brand & website), but I'm staying true to the budget nature of the build.
Case: Bit Fenix Merc Alpha @ $37
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&vpn=BFC-MRC-100-KKX1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1363
There are probably other options if you look at recently recommended builds in this thread. But this case works fine.
PSU: Rosewill Green 530w @ $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199
There's a bunch of options for cheap power supplies, some less than this. I didn't look around much. I have the Rosewill 430w, and it's pretty quiet (though not silent, of course). You don't need 530w, but it was the same price as the 430w version. Both are waaaaaay more power than you need for this setup, but I don't know any quality sub-400w power supplies.
DVD: TheCheapOne @ $16
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244&vpn=IHAS124-04&manufacture=Liteon&promoid=1009
=$339, and I think there's no shipping. The main question is streaming, which is pretty crazy on this budget. I dunno if you'll be able to stream an easy-on-the-CPU-game like LoL with this computer. With Intel processors, an i3 (dual core w/hypterthreading) is $40 more, and the cheapest quad-core is $100 more. You'll have to ask someone who knows more than me if the faster Intel dual-core processors or an AMD a-series processor can process streaming better. Probably the a-series, but you'll be losing a little performance for uses other than streaming. In your budget you won't be able to overclock the AMD processor though, so keep that in mind
Edit: Just looked at some non-real-world benchmarks and it looks like a (not-overclocked) a-series processor would be significantly better than the Intel for streaming by some margin, so the combo deal Shauni mentioned in his post would probably be better if you value streaming whatever it is you were planning on streaming over, say, 3v3s & 4v4s in SC2. Assuming it CAN handle it. Which I don't have any actual knowledge of.
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On March 04 2012 07:48 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The Corsair one is pretty similar to OCZ Agility 3 and many others--they use the SandForce SF-2281 controller and asynchronous NAND flash with pretty much the same firmware. This series has a long history of bad reliability issues, though some of that is cleared up now. That's the important part. Compared to some other SF-2281 SSDs, it's slower because of the worse flash. Probably it's not slower by an amount a typical desktop user would notice, but still, you brought up performance so we might as well address that. The controller is well known for its real-time data compression, so the max sequential speeds you see are not achieved in practice on a lot of data that doesn't compress down that much. Actual real-world performance is actually lower than for the Crucial, which is average for this generation: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/400?vs=425But again, it's mostly about the reliability issues, which you wouldn't know about from reading the specs. Thank you for the thorough answer. I'll read some about it, I guess about it's time for me to get some pure technical knowledge about PC's.
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On March 04 2012 17:33 MisterFred wrote:
Edit: Just looked at some non-real-world benchmarks and it looks like a (not-overclocked) a-series processor would be significantly better than the Intel for streaming by some margin, so the combo deal Shauni mentioned in his post would probably be better if you value streaming whatever it is you were planning on streaming over, say, 3v3s & 4v4s in SC2. Assuming it CAN handle it. Which I don't have any actual knowledge of.
It makes no sense to recommend a g840 as an alternative with a non discrete GPU. Not even i3 is a better alternative than llano. The integrated is Intel HD, which is miles worse than HD 3000 which in turn is far worse than the hd 6530d. Sure, the A8 isn't the best pure CPU power monster, it falls slightly behind i3 2100 in games BUT when talking about multithreaded performance like important for streaming, it demolishes i3 and not to mention g840 in pure CPU power.
![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38879.png)
The one I recommended was 200mhz slower, so subtract 500-1000 from that.
![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38880.png)
![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38885.png)
But if we go into combined APU, the competition is ZERO. Even if you are lenient and take CPU intensive games like Shogun2/Civ5, the difference in overall performance is gigantic. Playable vs not playable. And remember you recommended the Intel HD graphics which most likely can't even run those games.
![[image loading]](http://www.sweclockers.com/image/diagram/2334?k=4dcb26026bfc2b4a2acaede1626da5e7)
![[image loading]](http://www.sweclockers.com/image/diagram/2336?k=e7e8a0eb695278268d52ddb4ca985410)
The difference beteen 6550 and 6530 is pretty small, but you can subtract a few fps to make it more fair.
So TLDR don't recommend intel for small budget solutions with integrated graphics.
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If you're going Intel on the low end using integrated graphics, you get HD 2000, which is not enough for playing a lot of games comfortably on low. By the way, we're talking about
On March 04 2012 11:11 Nabutso wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 11:01 LeKiNGG wrote:On March 04 2012 10:36 Nabutso wrote:
What is your budget? $300-350 max, with shipping
What is your resolution? 1280x1024
What are you using it for? Light gaming (League of Legends and maybe SC2 will be the most demanding, only need to be playable at low settings), aswell as light streaming (Not any higher than 480p).
What is your upgrade cycle? unknown, system isn't for me
When do you plan on building it? Next week
Do you plan on overclocking? No
Do you need an Operating System? No
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. 300-350 bucks isnt enough for a complete system for playing SC2 and streaming it. You'll need to go a little higher. It wont be for streaming SC2, just playing it. Streaming would be other games, much less cpu intensive ones.
Regardless, more cores are potentially useful.
I'd think about
AMD A6-3650 and AsRock A55M-VS - $153
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.836482
Patriot 2 x 2GB DDR3 (1600 MHz, CAS9) - $24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220567
Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB (or get the better deal from NCIX) - $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136771
Samsung CD / DVD burner - $17
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244
In Win microATX tower + power supply - $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108191
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So I'm planning on building a PC in the summer and I want to know what are parts that I can buy now that I can use to build my PC and what parts I should wait on to buy just before I begin to build.
I'm not looking to overclock, don't want a loud PC, and a low power consumption if possible. My budget will probably be from $500-$800.
This PC will be for mainly gaming (run highest graphic settings for starcraft2).
The only thing I already have is the mouse but everything else from the case to the monitor and keyboard I will need to buy.
I live in the US so I have access to newegg and microcenter if that helps
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Optical drive, case, power supply (but the option you might want, the Rosewill Capstone 450W, is sold out now), and RAM can be bought now. You're better off waiting on everything else.
Intel Ivy Bridge will be out by then, so you'll have new processors and motherboards that should cost pretty much about what current ones do, but the new ones will have slightly better performance, a little lower power consumption, and a few more features. There are plenty of new graphics cards based on new technology (higher performance / watt) launching between now and then, so there will be better options in the summer as well as better pricing on current stuff. Hard drive prices are likely to remain elevated, but they may fall slightly between now and then.
How loud is "loud" to you? Are you more concerned with noise levels when the computer is idle or max noise levels with the computer totally stressed?
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On March 05 2012 01:47 Ftwpker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I'm planning on building a PC in the summer and I want to know what are parts that I can buy now that I can use to build my PC and what parts I should wait on to buy just before I begin to build.
I'm not looking to overclock, don't want a loud PC, and a low power consumption if possible. My budge will probably be from $500-$800.
This PC will be for mainly gaming (run highest graphic settings for starcraft2).
The only thing I already have is the mouse but everything else from the case to the monitor and keyboard I will need to buy.
I live in the US so I have access to newegg and microcenter if that helps
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If that budget includes everything from monitor to keyboard to speakers to the configuration itself and accounts for the possible increase in budget than it's not going to be so bad but if it's only going to be $500, it's going to be pretty much impossible to get a decent configuration as Windows is $100 and a shitty monitor is another $100. Buying over the course of several weeks has its advantage where you can increase your budget but also has several disadvantages... such as overbudgeting, missinng better sales, can't test components immediately to check if they're DOA, and so on.
If you are spanning out your purchases over several weeks than you can buy the case, power supply, memory, HDD, optical drive, monitor, and operating system before you are ready to build. You would want to buy the GPU, CPU, and motherboard last as Intel's Ivybridge and Nvidia's Kepler will be released in April / May and, the lower-end products will probably come in Q3. On the other hand, you don't exactly have to wait for these as the initial release is going to be high-end components which will be out of your price range. You can get a core i3 2100 from Microcenter for $100 (and possibly a free motherboard?) right now and a Radeon HD7750 (which was recently released) with very good power consumption, decent performance, and can be passively cooled.
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On March 05 2012 01:54 Myrmidon wrote:
Optical drive, case, power supply (but the option you might want, the Rosewill Capstone 450W, is sold out now), and RAM can be bought now. You're better off waiting on everything else.
Intel Ivy Bridge will be out by then, so you'll have new processors and motherboards that should cost pretty much about what current ones do, but the new ones will have slightly better performance, a little lower power consumption, and a few more features. There are plenty of new graphics cards based on new technology (higher performance / watt) launching between now and then, so there will be better options in the summer as well as better pricing on current stuff. Hard drive prices are likely to remain elevated, but they may fall slightly between now and then.
How loud is "loud" to you? Are you more concerned with noise levels when the computer is idle or max noise levels with the computer totally stressed?
I would say loud is like when my laptop is whirring because of the stress I put on it playing games. But I don't think I will be stressing my PC to much so I'm more concerned with the noise level during idle and average useage.
My budget of 500-800 can definetly be increased if need be but speakers wise I don't need anything too fancy and I can probably shop around for cheaper price for windows (Friend got it for 30 I believe)
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Finally I sold my old computer and I am looking for advice on a new one. I already have some parts and I need only the specific hardware components listed below:
CPU
RAM (16GB required)
Motherboard
Case
PSU
GPU
DVD player/burner
I do not need monitors, mouse, keyboard, speakers, camera or anything else. I will connect 4 HDDs (1 SSD, 3 normal Sata) at LEAST to this system so I hope the case is not small.
What is your budget?
Maximum 1000 euro although I expect it to be cheaper.
What is your resolution?
I use 2 monitors. One has 1920x1200 and the other 1600x1200 resolution.
What are you using it for?
Poker (running postgresql, holdemmanager etc), internet surfing, I play only two games (starcraft 2 and diablo 3). I am satisfied if they can be run at medium/high settings. If I can stream that would be cool although its not a top priority..
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
Now - except if you can provide a very good reason to delay it. I have a laptop that can handle my work while I delay the build if thats necessary although I would prefer not..
Do you plan on overclocking?
Sure.
Do you need an Operating System?
Nope.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope - never.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am from Greece so I will use the following sites (probably in that order): www.skroutz.gr, www.eshop.gr, www.plaisio.gr, www.amazon.de, www.amazon.co.uk, http://www1.hardwareversand.de, www.ebay.com and I am open to all suggestions. I can buy the components from different sellers and build it myself.
Things to note: Yes, I need 16GB+ Ram (probably 1600Mhz DDR3 if we are talking on building a Sandybridge system) for a program called Notecaddy. No, I dont need a HDD (I already got a Crucial M4 256GB for the database/Windows and 3-4 other HDDs for installing games/saving multimedia etc). Since I live in Greece I probably need a good enough CPU cooler to withstand the greek summers - I am overclocking too. Lastly, since I own a Crucial M4 I expect my mobo to be able to support SATA3 (and have NO problems with that SSD) and be good/easy for overclocking and also the case to have some USB 3 ports (I think that goes without saying but still..)
Thanks in advance for the help guys.
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On March 05 2012 02:06 Ftwpker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2012 01:54 Myrmidon wrote:
Optical drive, case, power supply (but the option you might want, the Rosewill Capstone 450W, is sold out now), and RAM can be bought now. You're better off waiting on everything else.
Intel Ivy Bridge will be out by then, so you'll have new processors and motherboards that should cost pretty much about what current ones do, but the new ones will have slightly better performance, a little lower power consumption, and a few more features. There are plenty of new graphics cards based on new technology (higher performance / watt) launching between now and then, so there will be better options in the summer as well as better pricing on current stuff. Hard drive prices are likely to remain elevated, but they may fall slightly between now and then.
How loud is "loud" to you? Are you more concerned with noise levels when the computer is idle or max noise levels with the computer totally stressed? I would say loud is like when my laptop is whirring because of the stress I put on it playing games. But I don't think I will be stressing my PC to much so I'm more concerned with the noise level during idle and average useage. My budget of 500-800 can definetly be increased if need be but speakers wise I don't need anything too fancy and I can probably shop around for cheaper price for windows (Friend got it for 30 I believe)
$30 was student pricing. Microsoft has raised student pricing to $65.
You'll probably want a sound dampening case such as a Fractal Design Define R3 for ~$100.
On March 05 2012 04:07 maritini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Finally I sold my old computer and I am looking for advice on a new one. I already have some parts and I need only the specific hardware components listed below: CPU RAM (16GB required) Motherboard Case PSU GPU DVD player/burner I do not need monitors, mouse, keyboard, speakers, camera or anything else. I will connect 4 HDDs (1 SSD, 3 normal Sata) at LEAST to this system so I hope the case is not small. What is your budget? Maximum 1000 euro although I expect it to be cheaper. What is your resolution? I use 2 monitors. One has 1920x1200 and the other 1600x1200 resolution. What are you using it for? Poker (running postgresql, holdemmanager etc), internet surfing, I play only two games (starcraft 2 and diablo 3). I am satisfied if they can be run at medium/high settings. If I can stream that would be cool although its not a top priority.. What is your upgrade cycle? 2-3 years When do you plan on building it? Now - except if you can provide a very good reason to delay it. I have a laptop that can handle my work while I delay the build if thats necessary although I would prefer not.. Do you plan on overclocking? Sure. Do you need an Operating System? Nope. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope - never. Where are you buying your parts from? I am from Greece so I will use the following sites (probably in that order): www.skroutz.gr, www.eshop.gr, www.plaisio.gr, www.amazon.de, www.amazon.co.uk, http://www1.hardwareversand.de, www.ebay.com and I am open to all suggestions. I can buy the components from different sellers and build it myself. Things to note: Yes, I need 16GB+ Ram (probably 1600Mhz DDR3 if we are talking on building a Sandybridge system) for a program called Notecaddy. No, I dont need a HDD (I already got a Crucial M4 256GB for the database/Windows and 3-4 other HDDs for installing games/saving multimedia etc). Since I live in Greece I probably need a good enough CPU cooler to withstand the greek summers - I am overclocking too. Lastly, since I own a Crucial M4 I expect my mobo to be able to support SATA3 (and have NO problems with that SSD) and be good/easy for overclocking and also the case to have some USB 3 ports (I think that goes without saying but still..) Thanks in advance for the help guys.
You'd basically want a 2500k and a P67 or Z68 motherboard such as an Asrock P67 Pro3. Although Asrock P67 Pro3 and other low-end boards usually doesn't have a USB3 header (for connecting case USB3 ports to motherboard). I don't know boards with USB3 headers off the top of my head except for the ASUS P8P67 and P8Z68-V which are good boards though a little pricey. All P67 and Z68 boards have two SATA 6Gbps provided by the Intel chipset, some boards such as the ASUS boards I mentioned use an additional Marvell controller to give you two more 6Gbps ports for a total of four so don't worry about that. You can either get an inexpensive heatsink such as a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO or one of the very best heatsinks such as a Thermalright Silver Arrow or Noctua NH-D14.
Cases such as a Fractal Design Define R3, Antec P280, and Corsair 550D are all sound dampening cases and all of them can mount at least six HDDs inside. All cases use the USB3 header.
For power supply, get a Superflower Golden Green 450.
Memory, just get whatever is least expensive rated for 1600MHz cas9 1.5v, usually GSkill Ripjaws. If you're getting something such as a Noctua NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow, you want low-profile heatspreaders or heatspreaders that aren't very tall (so don't get something like Corsair Vengeance which is ridiculously tall). The heatsinks will have clearance for GSkill Ripjaws X and similar heatspreaders that are under 40mm.
As for graphics card, a Radeon HD6850 can play both Diablo 3 and Starcraft II on ultra. The graphics card also has nothing to do with streaming, that would depend on your CPU.
Just get the least expensive optical drive.
Your budget is pretty large since you already have the SSD and HDD so keep in mind that you will carry forward the heatsink, case, and power supply to future builds so it's not a bad idea to invest into these components if you have a large budget to work with.
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Hey there!
I posted a while ago but i didn't get any feed back so here we go again :D
What is your budget?
I am willing to spend 2000 usd, but don't want to overkill.
What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, the main will be 1920x1080. (dont know about the other one)
What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for starcraft 2. I need to be able to stream at 720p, with web cam and mic (i am looking for a quiet build).
I am looking for a pretty high end stream and need to be able to stream every thing from 1v1 to 4v4 (with graphics on max)
The computer will also be used for 3d animations (maya and zbrush) and photoshop.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a long cycle of 2+ years.
When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April
Do you plan on overclocking?
no
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If it is worth it, I am not sure about the technicality of a second GPU
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in Denmark, and i haven't found where i will buy it yet, but i can find a retailer my self, i just need to know what parts to look for
Other
There must be room in the cabinet for my old hard drive.
Thank you so much for you help!
PS. Thank you skyR for your advice on dust, good to know
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Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
On March 03 2012 23:09 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2012 21:04 HornyHerring wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2012 23:32 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2012 23:15 HornyHerring wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm trying to setup a new pc for my needs and I'd love a little help/feedback. So, here it goes. What is your budget?About 1000$. Although I'm not sure if I need a pc that's gonna need money like that.What is your resolution?I play on 1680x1050, desktop on 1920x1200 right now. Not planning on changing it.What are you using it for?Gaming, want to play SC2 at highest settings, Lineage2(a lot of players in one place, think it's processor-heavy), wanna start Diablo3 and maybe some new games like Skyrim or whatever. I'd like to fraps as well and maybe stream(not in HD) if I get a better connection in the future. I also use some mapping programs for games. And I generally like to run shitton of tabs at Chrome with 28373287492 programs running at once.What is your upgrade cycle?Well, my current PC has been built in 2005 or 2006, except for gpu which was bought in like 2008 or 2009. So I dont plan on updating it anytime soon(except for minor changes I guess). But I don't think my needs will grow in time.When do you plan on building it?Within the next 2-3 months.Do you plan on overclocking?I have not OCd my current PC, dunno if I even need it.Do you need an Operating System?Nope. Got access to Win7 32 and Win7 64.Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Nope.Where are you buying your parts from?Most likely polish(since it's where I reside right now) internet shop - gral.pl. unfortunately there's no ENG version of this site.I already have a 24" 16:10 screen and might buy a new monitor to get a dual screen setup(suggestions for the second one - around 21" can be 16  HD - would be much welcome). Already have a mouse and a keyboard. Got a 1TB HDD for data. Regarding building a pc in general: Do I need an extra cooling for the cpu? Do I need some kind of thermal paste for the processor? Do I need cables? Generally, what else would I need to buy in order to have the PC running? Here's what I've put up together(site is in polish, but I guess the numbers and names speak for themselves): CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K 4x3.30 GHz BOX (LGA1155, 6MB, HD3000, 95W) MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3, P67, DDR3, SATA3, USB 3.0, RAID, GBLAN, ATX, LGA1155 RAM: DDR3 4GB 2000MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP (2x2GB, DualDDR, CL10) SSD: Corsair Force Series 90GB, 2.5", SATA3 550MB/s, 500MB/s DVD: LG GH22NS70 DVD±R 22x, DVD+RW 8x, CD-RW 32x, DVD+R DL 12x, DVD-RAM 12x, OEM, SATA, Black GPU: GeForce GTX550Ti Gigabyte 1024MB, DDR5, HDMI, DVI, PCI-E CASE: Antec Three Hundred (bez zasilacza) PSU: ATX 600W Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2EU (Fan 140mm) Feedback would be much appreciated. Cheers. An aftermarket heatsink is recommended (required) for overclocking a 2500k. Thermal paste is included with the heatsink but you can buy something better if you wish. All cables are included with the retail components and you should have left over SATA cables from your previous computer. There is nothing extra to buy, everything is included with retail packaging. Paying a lot of money for better memory when you can't afford flagship components is one of the stupidest things you can do since memory frequency and timing have a negligible impact on performance. 1333MHz cas9 memory is going to cost significantly less and give you maybe 2 less FPS. If you do a lot of multi-tasking, which I'm starting to doubt you do since most multi-taskers wouldn't settle for anything less than 2x4gb in 2012. Not sure of pricing in Poland or how much you're even paying... GTX 550 Ti is generally shit since you can get the same performance (6770, 7750) for less or better performance (6850, GTX 460) for slightly more. A 600w unit is not necessary. Get a ~500w unit that's of better quality than the CXv2 for the same price or get the 500w variant of the CXv2 for less. On February 18 2012 23:33 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I don't get why you go for that kind of RAM but you totally won't need it, you'd be much better off with 1333-1600 mhz 8gb ram with 1.5v voltage
Is that a Corsair Force GT or 3?
Your graphics card is way weaker than what I'd get
That case is outdated and generally I'd recommend bitfenix shinobi instead
That PSU has more wattage than necessary for you even if you go with a decent processor
The mobo is ok but asrock p67 pro3 for instance should be better if it's around the same price
I'm not sure why you didn't include links or prices but I'm way too lazy to manually check those so I can't really comment on that.
For graphics card I would suggest something like 6950 or GTX 560 Ti and for RAM just get something like corsair 1600mhz 8gb 1.5v, the cheapest one. You also want a heatsink and I'd suggest hyper 212+, thermalright true spirit, or freezer 13 pro
Thanks for your input, guys, and sorry that I'm replying that late. I finally got to review the build according to your suggestions. The site I use is in polish, but the specs can be readable in any language I guess, I'll try to estimate the prices as well. Procesor: Intel Core i5 2500K 4x3.30 GHz BOX (LGA1155, 6MB, HD3000, 95W)Heatsink: Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro (LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM3/AM2/939)Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3, P67, DDR3, SATA3, USB 3.0, RAID, GBLAN, ATX, LGA1155Ram: DDR3 8GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP Blue (2x4GB, DualDDR, CL9)SSD: Corsair Force Series 90GB, 2.5", SATA3 550MB/s, 500MB/sDVD: LG GH22NS70 DVD±R 22x, DVD+RW 8x, CD-RW 32x, DVD+R DL 12x, DVD-RAM 12x, OEM, SATA, BlackGPU: Radeon HD6850 MSI 1024MB GDDR5, DP, HDMI, 2xDVI, PCI-E OC 820/4400Case: CoolerMaster HAF 912 Plus BlackPSU: ATX 500W Corsair CMPSU-500CXV2According to the current currency exchange rate the price is about 1002,16 USD, shipping free. Yea, I know it's kinda expensive for such build, Feedback on the updated build would be much appreciated. It's okay. I'd get the OCZ ZS 550 instead of the Corsair CX500V2: http://www.gral.pl/OCZ Technology ZS 550W_957.htmlI suggest spending a little more for a Crucial M4 128gb: http://www.gral.pl/Crucial M4 SSD 128GB SSD SATA3_700.htmlYou can get 1333MHz for significantly less (?): http://www.gral.pl/Kingston 2X 4GB DDR3-1333_634.html If you want to stick to Corasir than these low-profile ones would be better: http://www.gral.pl/Corsair 2X 4GB DDR3-1600_681.htmlOn March 03 2012 19:58 Anomek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 07:49 Anomek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi, i guess if you guys can help me with build a PC. I've made a pre-build but i'm afraid i may overprice too much. What is your budget? It's around 1000-1200$ but i'm quite flexible in this matter. Note that prices in Poland can be different (but you probably know that already  ) and i'm looking rather for best performance/price ratio (with emphasis on performance) What is your resolution? 1980x1080 What are you using it for? Mosty gaming but i also want to be able to run many applications in background (like application server, database, etc.) and still have good performance. No photoshop, no streaming. What is your upgrade cycle? around 2 years, but i'm willing to buy something cheaper to replace it in few months (and fit with budget today) When do you plan on building it? In 1-2 weeks. Do you plan on overclocking? No plans for overclocking. Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Until it's cost-effecting and in my budget - no. Where are you buying your parts from? As I mentioned I'm from Poland and I'm going to buy parts in local stores. So my pre build is Intel Core i7 2600 3,40 GHz BOX (i've read here that i must be rich to buy it, it costs ~400$ here, i would buy something cheaper if it had similar performance, i don't want to save on this one) Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3-B3 G.SKILL DDR3 2x 2GB 1866MHz CL9 Ripjaws I have no idea how cost-effective these two are  I also want 2x HDD in RAID 0 Any help will be appreciated. Cheers So after taking into consideration your advices, I've build following setup. I also wanted to keep overclocking possible (but nothing hardcore). There are two choices somewhere, because I've not decided yet where I will buy PC, and not everything is in stock (and I must buy everything in one place).. i5 2500K or 2550K (depending which one is in stock) Asrock P67 Pro3 (B3) Radeon 6870 HIS 1GB 2xDVI&HDMI&2xMiniDP (PCI-E) or other 6870 in case there is no HIS in stock (I want it to be as silent and cool as possible, no oc intended) Kingston HyperX DDR3 2X 2GB 1600MHz XMP CL7 Low Latency Limited Edition / G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) 1600MHz CL6 RipjawsX OCZ Agility 3 SSD 2,5" 60GB 525 MB/s 475 MB/s 80k IOPs / Corsair SSD Force Series GT 60GB (555/495MB/s) I already got second HHD 1T SATA II case SilentiumPC Brutus BT-410 Pure Black / Zalman Z9 (b/z) PSU Thermaltake Smart 530W 80+ 120mm APFC HSF Thermaltake Contac 29 BP Is it ok? I'm not sure whose advice you took into consideration but unless cas7 and cas6 costs the same as cas9, whoever told you to waste money on the memory is an idiot since performance gains between cas6/7 and 9 is negligible. When you can't afford good components or even 2x4gb, why would you waste money for a less than 1 FPS gain in most cases? Added the quote for the build reference to my question: is it even worth to build the PC now since Ivy Bridge is comming out in like a month? Is Ivy Bridge gonna be much more expensive and wont Sandy Bridges drop in price then, or it doesn't work that way? Coz if Ivy Bridge will be relatively same prives as Sandy Bridges right now or if the Sandy Bridges price falls down due to newer technology comming out, it'd be better to just wait, right?
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On March 05 2012 06:42 HornyHerring wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 23:09 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2012 21:04 HornyHerring wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2012 23:32 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2012 23:15 HornyHerring wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm trying to setup a new pc for my needs and I'd love a little help/feedback. So, here it goes. What is your budget?About 1000$. Although I'm not sure if I need a pc that's gonna need money like that.What is your resolution?I play on 1680x1050, desktop on 1920x1200 right now. Not planning on changing it.What are you using it for?Gaming, want to play SC2 at highest settings, Lineage2(a lot of players in one place, think it's processor-heavy), wanna start Diablo3 and maybe some new games like Skyrim or whatever. I'd like to fraps as well and maybe stream(not in HD) if I get a better connection in the future. I also use some mapping programs for games. And I generally like to run shitton of tabs at Chrome with 28373287492 programs running at once.What is your upgrade cycle?Well, my current PC has been built in 2005 or 2006, except for gpu which was bought in like 2008 or 2009. So I dont plan on updating it anytime soon(except for minor changes I guess). But I don't think my needs will grow in time.When do you plan on building it?Within the next 2-3 months.Do you plan on overclocking?I have not OCd my current PC, dunno if I even need it.Do you need an Operating System?Nope. Got access to Win7 32 and Win7 64.Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Nope.Where are you buying your parts from?Most likely polish(since it's where I reside right now) internet shop - gral.pl. unfortunately there's no ENG version of this site.I already have a 24" 16:10 screen and might buy a new monitor to get a dual screen setup(suggestions for the second one - around 21" can be 16 HD - would be much welcome). Already have a mouse and a keyboard. Got a 1TB HDD for data. Regarding building a pc in general: Do I need an extra cooling for the cpu? Do I need some kind of thermal paste for the processor? Do I need cables? Generally, what else would I need to buy in order to have the PC running? Here's what I've put up together(site is in polish, but I guess the numbers and names speak for themselves): CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K 4x3.30 GHz BOX (LGA1155, 6MB, HD3000, 95W) MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3, P67, DDR3, SATA3, USB 3.0, RAID, GBLAN, ATX, LGA1155 RAM: DDR3 4GB 2000MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP (2x2GB, DualDDR, CL10) SSD: Corsair Force Series 90GB, 2.5", SATA3 550MB/s, 500MB/s DVD: LG GH22NS70 DVD±R 22x, DVD+RW 8x, CD-RW 32x, DVD+R DL 12x, DVD-RAM 12x, OEM, SATA, Black GPU: GeForce GTX550Ti Gigabyte 1024MB, DDR5, HDMI, DVI, PCI-E CASE: Antec Three Hundred (bez zasilacza) PSU: ATX 600W Corsair CMPSU-600CXV2EU (Fan 140mm) Feedback would be much appreciated. Cheers. An aftermarket heatsink is recommended (required) for overclocking a 2500k. Thermal paste is included with the heatsink but you can buy something better if you wish. All cables are included with the retail components and you should have left over SATA cables from your previous computer. There is nothing extra to buy, everything is included with retail packaging. Paying a lot of money for better memory when you can't afford flagship components is one of the stupidest things you can do since memory frequency and timing have a negligible impact on performance. 1333MHz cas9 memory is going to cost significantly less and give you maybe 2 less FPS. If you do a lot of multi-tasking, which I'm starting to doubt you do since most multi-taskers wouldn't settle for anything less than 2x4gb in 2012. Not sure of pricing in Poland or how much you're even paying... GTX 550 Ti is generally shit since you can get the same performance (6770, 7750) for less or better performance (6850, GTX 460) for slightly more. A 600w unit is not necessary. Get a ~500w unit that's of better quality than the CXv2 for the same price or get the 500w variant of the CXv2 for less. On February 18 2012 23:33 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I don't get why you go for that kind of RAM but you totally won't need it, you'd be much better off with 1333-1600 mhz 8gb ram with 1.5v voltage
Is that a Corsair Force GT or 3?
Your graphics card is way weaker than what I'd get
That case is outdated and generally I'd recommend bitfenix shinobi instead
That PSU has more wattage than necessary for you even if you go with a decent processor
The mobo is ok but asrock p67 pro3 for instance should be better if it's around the same price
I'm not sure why you didn't include links or prices but I'm way too lazy to manually check those so I can't really comment on that.
For graphics card I would suggest something like 6950 or GTX 560 Ti and for RAM just get something like corsair 1600mhz 8gb 1.5v, the cheapest one. You also want a heatsink and I'd suggest hyper 212+, thermalright true spirit, or freezer 13 pro
Thanks for your input, guys, and sorry that I'm replying that late. I finally got to review the build according to your suggestions. The site I use is in polish, but the specs can be readable in any language I guess, I'll try to estimate the prices as well. Procesor: Intel Core i5 2500K 4x3.30 GHz BOX (LGA1155, 6MB, HD3000, 95W)Heatsink: Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro (LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM3/AM2/939)Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3, P67, DDR3, SATA3, USB 3.0, RAID, GBLAN, ATX, LGA1155Ram: DDR3 8GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance XMP Blue (2x4GB, DualDDR, CL9)SSD: Corsair Force Series 90GB, 2.5", SATA3 550MB/s, 500MB/sDVD: LG GH22NS70 DVD±R 22x, DVD+RW 8x, CD-RW 32x, DVD+R DL 12x, DVD-RAM 12x, OEM, SATA, BlackGPU: Radeon HD6850 MSI 1024MB GDDR5, DP, HDMI, 2xDVI, PCI-E OC 820/4400Case: CoolerMaster HAF 912 Plus BlackPSU: ATX 500W Corsair CMPSU-500CXV2According to the current currency exchange rate the price is about 1002,16 USD, shipping free. Yea, I know it's kinda expensive for such build, Feedback on the updated build would be much appreciated. It's okay. I'd get the OCZ ZS 550 instead of the Corsair CX500V2: http://www.gral.pl/OCZ Technology ZS 550W_957.htmlI suggest spending a little more for a Crucial M4 128gb: http://www.gral.pl/Crucial M4 SSD 128GB SSD SATA3_700.htmlYou can get 1333MHz for significantly less (?): http://www.gral.pl/Kingston 2X 4GB DDR3-1333_634.html If you want to stick to Corasir than these low-profile ones would be better: http://www.gral.pl/Corsair 2X 4GB DDR3-1600_681.htmlOn March 03 2012 19:58 Anomek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 07:49 Anomek wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi, i guess if you guys can help me with build a PC. I've made a pre-build but i'm afraid i may overprice too much. What is your budget? It's around 1000-1200$ but i'm quite flexible in this matter. Note that prices in Poland can be different (but you probably know that already ) and i'm looking rather for best performance/price ratio (with emphasis on performance) What is your resolution? 1980x1080 What are you using it for? Mosty gaming but i also want to be able to run many applications in background (like application server, database, etc.) and still have good performance. No photoshop, no streaming. What is your upgrade cycle? around 2 years, but i'm willing to buy something cheaper to replace it in few months (and fit with budget today) When do you plan on building it? In 1-2 weeks. Do you plan on overclocking? No plans for overclocking. Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Until it's cost-effecting and in my budget - no. Where are you buying your parts from? As I mentioned I'm from Poland and I'm going to buy parts in local stores. So my pre build is Intel Core i7 2600 3,40 GHz BOX (i've read here that i must be rich to buy it, it costs ~400$ here, i would buy something cheaper if it had similar performance, i don't want to save on this one) Gigabyte GA-P67A-D3-B3 G.SKILL DDR3 2x 2GB 1866MHz CL9 Ripjaws I have no idea how cost-effective these two are I also want 2x HDD in RAID 0 Any help will be appreciated. Cheers So after taking into consideration your advices, I've build following setup. I also wanted to keep overclocking possible (but nothing hardcore). There are two choices somewhere, because I've not decided yet where I will buy PC, and not everything is in stock (and I must buy everything in one place).. i5 2500K or 2550K (depending which one is in stock) Asrock P67 Pro3 (B3) Radeon 6870 HIS 1GB 2xDVI&HDMI&2xMiniDP (PCI-E) or other 6870 in case there is no HIS in stock (I want it to be as silent and cool as possible, no oc intended) Kingston HyperX DDR3 2X 2GB 1600MHz XMP CL7 Low Latency Limited Edition / G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) 1600MHz CL6 RipjawsX OCZ Agility 3 SSD 2,5" 60GB 525 MB/s 475 MB/s 80k IOPs / Corsair SSD Force Series GT 60GB (555/495MB/s) I already got second HHD 1T SATA II case SilentiumPC Brutus BT-410 Pure Black / Zalman Z9 (b/z) PSU Thermaltake Smart 530W 80+ 120mm APFC HSF Thermaltake Contac 29 BP Is it ok? I'm not sure whose advice you took into consideration but unless cas7 and cas6 costs the same as cas9, whoever told you to waste money on the memory is an idiot since performance gains between cas6/7 and 9 is negligible. When you can't afford good components or even 2x4gb, why would you waste money for a less than 1 FPS gain in most cases? Added the quote for the build reference to my question: is it even worth to build the PC now since Ivy Bridge is comming out in like a month? Is Ivy Bridge gonna be much more expensive and wont Sandy Bridges drop in price then, or it doesn't work that way? Coz if Ivy Bridge will be relatively same prives as Sandy Bridges right now or if the Sandy Bridges price falls down due to newer technology comming out, it'd be better to just wait, right?
Prices on old stock won't drop. New parts should be about at the same prices.
If you wait about a couple months, then you can get slightly higher CPU performance (5-10% maybe?), lower CPU power consumption, PCI Express 3.0 (pretty much useless for gaming with one or two graphics cards), and native USB3. I wouldn't think that's worth waiting for, for most people, but you can if you want.
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i have a i5 2500 with stock cooler cause i dont overclock it or so. The cooler runs at -2000 rpm. How much would it effect the temperature if i would slow down the cooler to lower the noise
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