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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 14:31:49
March 03 2012 14:30 GMT
#19201
Memory is the last of your critical performance components you should spend more on. 1333 Cas9 is the baseline, maybe spend $1-2 at most extra for 1600 if it's stupid cheap, but CPU and GPU should ALWAYS be upgraded before RAM in a budget gaming build.

Note: Speeds on DDR3 look nothing like speeds on DDR2, DDR2 will have much tighter timings and lower clocks. This is the main reason that performance overall between the two is fairly negligible, but Cas9 1333 is plenty fast for most users.
Anomek
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland152 Posts
March 03 2012 14:51 GMT
#19202
Just because I like to know such things. When do I need faster RAM with better timings? After I upgraded everything else? To other applications then gaming?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 03 2012 15:01 GMT
#19203
On March 03 2012 23:51 Anomek wrote:
Just because I like to know such things. When do I need faster RAM with better timings? After I upgraded everything else? To other applications then gaming?


Certain other uses will gain more, yes, frequently CPU intensive tasks (outside gaming) will see more performance gains from faster RAM. For specifics, you'd pretty much just have to look for benches depending on what you intend to use.

Timings vs clock, same thing. Depends on the software.

In a gaming rig, yes, RAM is roughly the last thing to spend up on. My order of priority would roughly go CPU > GPU > Gaming/Storage HDD > Boot SSD > RAM.

CPU over GPU because if I go slightly lower on the GPU, I can always SLI/CFX later, Gaming/Storage HDD over boot SSD because it's easier to move your OS install, and once you're done OCing the boot speed isn't as critical, and RAM last because it's the least gain for the money above the baseline generally.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 03 2012 15:02 GMT
#19204
In the current generation, when you have too much money or are going to be using the IGP.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 03 2012 15:14 GMT
#19205
On March 04 2012 00:02 skyR wrote:
In the current generation, when you have too much money or are going to be using the IGP.


Yeah, I guess this is the simpler answer. Although I'd bet you agree roughly on that order of priority.

And bear in mind, even if you buy RAM that's rated for better speed/timing, frequently they test at funky voltages, and you may have to do some tweaking in the BIOS to get them there and stable. It's just like OCing anything else. Except it can be more fiddly, and has drastically poorer results. If you don't own licenses to benching utilities, odds are you're not the type of person to notice the difference, or take the time to get the results.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
March 03 2012 16:54 GMT
#19206
Can anybody recommend a sub $50 GPU that will run mudbox?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 03 2012 17:00 GMT
#19207
On March 04 2012 01:54 STYDawn wrote:
Can anybody recommend a sub $50 GPU that will run mudbox?


Well, it would probably help if their system requirements listed weren't useless.

Part of it would depend on what OS you plan to use, probably.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
March 03 2012 17:10 GMT
#19208
windows 64.

Their system req certified only shows the workstation gpus, but i do know a friedn who runs mudbox on his alienware laptop.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 03 2012 17:23 GMT
#19209
Yeah, at your price range, I'd say a GT430 on sale or with a rebate, maybe?
bubO
Profile Joined August 2010
United States367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 18:46:07
March 03 2012 18:45 GMT
#19210
What is your budget?

600~

What is your resolution?

1366 x 768
What are you using it for?
Pure gaming


What is your upgrade cycle?

5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

In a month or so

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no
Where are you buying your parts from?

newegg

Protoss...
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 20:05:27
March 03 2012 19:23 GMT
#19211
On March 04 2012 03:45 bubO wrote:
What is your budget?

600~

What is your resolution?

1366 x 768
What are you using it for?
Pure gaming


What is your upgrade cycle?

5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

In a month or so

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no
Where are you buying your parts from?

newegg



Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case w/ 3 Fans $69.99
PowerColor AX6870 1GBD5-2DH Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... $159.99
FSP Group AURUM GOLD 400W (AU-400) ATX12V /EPS 12V 80PLUS GOLD Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $64.99
CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 $47.99
ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $104.99
ARCTIC COOLING ACFZ13 92mm High Performance CPU Cooler for Intel and AMD $39.99
Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32100 $109.99

$582.93

oh right os

*edited* this http://i.imgur.com/H7Xd0.jpg
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 19:44:38
March 03 2012 19:39 GMT
#19212
On March 04 2012 04:23 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 03:45 bubO wrote:
What is your budget?

600~

What is your resolution?

1366 x 768
What are you using it for?
Pure gaming


What is your upgrade cycle?

5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

In a month or so

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no
Where are you buying your parts from?

newegg



Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case w/ 3 Fans $69.99
PowerColor AX6870 1GBD5-2DH Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... $159.99
FSP Group AURUM GOLD 400W (AU-400) ATX12V /EPS 12V 80PLUS GOLD Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $64.99
CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 $47.99
ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $104.99
ARCTIC COOLING ACFZ13 92mm High Performance CPU Cooler for Intel and AMD $39.99
Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32100 $109.99

$582.93

oh right os


bub0 doesnt need a CPU cooler for 2100 since he isnt going to be overclocking. H67 for $105 makes no sense when an H61 can be had for $50.

oh right os


Its ok we'll fit it in.

Choose the haf 912, its $50 after rebate. You can get the gskill value series for 10 bucks less.

Corsair CX430WV2 is still $25 after rebate. While a gold PSU would be nice, the $40 saved is nice for tight budgets like this.

You should be able to afford an OS now.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#19213
On March 04 2012 04:39 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:23 Shauni wrote:
On March 04 2012 03:45 bubO wrote:
What is your budget?

600~

What is your resolution?

1366 x 768
What are you using it for?
Pure gaming


What is your upgrade cycle?

5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

In a month or so

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

no
Where are you buying your parts from?

newegg



Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case w/ 3 Fans $69.99
PowerColor AX6870 1GBD5-2DH Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ... $159.99
FSP Group AURUM GOLD 400W (AU-400) ATX12V /EPS 12V 80PLUS GOLD Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $64.99
CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 $47.99
ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $104.99
ARCTIC COOLING ACFZ13 92mm High Performance CPU Cooler for Intel and AMD $39.99
Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32100 $109.99

$582.93

oh right os


bub0 doesnt need a CPU cooler for 2100 since he isnt going to be overclocking. H67 for $105 makes no sense when an H61 can be had for $50.

Show nested quote +
oh right os


Its ok we'll fit it in.

Choose the haf 912, its $50 after rebate. You can get the gskill value series for 10 bucks less.


Hey i was still editing to fit the os. The intel stock cooler is noisy as fuck even at idle I would never put it in a friends case.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 19:49:06
March 03 2012 19:47 GMT
#19214
I used to own one and it wasnt louder than the fan on my GPU or my PSU. Poster also didnt specify a noise problem and at $600 some things can't always be afforded.

For a quiet users I would then drop down to a 6850, his resolution is very very small.
twitch.tv/medrea
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 19:51:03
March 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#19215
The stock cooler for 65W TDP socket 1155 processors is different than the one for 95W TDP ones? Or is it just the 35W one that is different and slim? If it's the same stock Intel cooler on the quad cores, I don't think most people would complain having it on a dual core.

Particularly not for somebody on a $600 budget who didn't mention noise. Also, I'm sure you could find something less than $40 that's quieter. FSP Aurum is also not that quiet either, not to mention the HD 6870.

I mean, look at the fan curve on the (original) Aurum series:
[image loading]

or is the 400W way different?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#19216
fine if you do it like that you can fit os

http://i.imgur.com/H7Xd0.jpg
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 03 2012 19:51 GMT
#19217
Shauni's build is very terrible -.-
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#19218
I dunno the Aurum gold seems like an ok PSU for the moment since CAPSTONE is unavailable.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 19:58:40
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#19219
On March 04 2012 04:51 skyR wrote:
Shauni's build is very terrible -.-


whats wrong with it? except maybe try to compromise gfx to add in a hdd, i kinda forgot that... Dunno if he needs a new one though.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 19:58:51
March 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#19220
With your first one?

Motherboard was priced higher than some boards you can get that can also overclock.

Cooler for a non overclocker.

Overpriced RAM and case, though cases are subjective.

I think the Aurum was a stretch.

Im only 50 percent on the 6870 for such a small resolution but upgrade cycle of 5 years makes me feel better about it.

Teamliquid prefers to make builds that favor the core system and the specific needs of the builder over luxuries.
twitch.tv/medrea
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