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or do they have response time compensation / overdrive? Regardless, the point still stands that despite the quoted 5ms GTG, in fact they're quite slower than some others that are quoted at 8ms GTG or something else.
It most likely does. Just not very heavy, which is not a bad thing.
The major reason why Ultrasharps are the most popular is that you can just ring up Dell, complain about something, and swap for a new monitor at basically zero cost. If you get excessive backlight bleeding or low contrast monitor, you just return it without any major hassle. I guess it depends if you are willing to play IPS panel roulette or not. If you are, Dell will take care of you fairly well; if not, it doesn't really matter what you buy.
It helps that Dell monitors tend to have adequate overdrive too. Targets the "I want to do everything" market well.
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I forgot to mention this. Make sure you ring up Dell if you really want to haggle the price down. The flesh and blood sales people are dying to sell you products so if you're sociable enough, you can probably tack on extra warranty, stack coupons, or cut a few dollars off the web price.
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response time is pointless in most cases only a very few individual can't tell ghosting on modern monitors. And ghosting is afterimages, from when the monitor is trying to change from one picture to another it has little to do with overall lag time from input to image being displayed. Often so called "overdirve" settings in monitors just turn off post processing effects, often leading to a severe drop in image quality, it often does little to lower the cause of afterimage effects, ie ghosting.
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No, you can definitely tell ghosting on a monitor because its a LCD. All LCDs do sample and hold. Using overdrive and/or faster refresh rates decreases total latency. That's the whole point. I can tell ghosting on an IPS monitor that isn't using overdrive, most people can. Whether or not people actually care is a different matter, I certainly don't since I don't game so much anymore.
The rated response time is pointless but the quality of overdrive matters. Overdrive made S-PVA monitors decent enough for gaming, provided you didn't mind the huge input lag, since they weren't huge streaks of colours like most VA panels look when in motion.
Anyway, there generally isn't a severe drop in image quality due to overdrive. If that was the case, real professional monitors, like Eizo and NECs, wouldn't even have it...I am well aware that a lot of them don't and that's because office monitors don't play games. Not to mention a fair number of monitors, like the Dells, have no real OSD option to actually turn it off or control it.
The decrease in image quality is a result of overdrive that is too heavily applied, as a result of incorrect calculations, which results in reverse ghosting (aka corona phenomenon). That and it can amplify issues with dithering. That's it, its a relative non-issue if the overdrive isn't badly done.
If you complain about how well applied overdrive decreases image quality by a severe amount, you're in the same group of people that complain about 6 bit + FRC monitors for general use.
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Because it would be a long drive to microcenter
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The thing is he told me i7 2600k is regular price 280. Doesnt that mean their should way more sites that have this price. I check newegg it cost 329.99 and suppsoly regular price is 280
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On February 04 2012 14:19 Womwomwom wrote:
No, you can definitely tell ghosting on a monitor because its a LCD. All LCDs do sample and hold. Using overdrive and/or faster refresh rates decreases total latency. That's the whole point. I can tell ghosting on an IPS monitor that isn't using overdrive, most people can. Whether or not people actually care is a different matter, I certainly don't since I don't game so much anymore.
The rated response time is pointless but the quality of overdrive matters. Overdrive made S-PVA monitors decent enough for gaming, provided you didn't mind the huge input lag, since they weren't huge streaks of colours like most VA panels look when in motion.
Anyway, there generally isn't a severe drop in image quality due to overdrive. If that was the case, real professional monitors, like Eizo and NECs, wouldn't even have it...I am well aware that a lot of them don't and that's because office monitors don't play games. Not to mention a fair number of monitors, like the Dells, have no real OSD option to actually turn it off or control it.
The decrease in image quality is a result of overdrive that is too heavily applied, as a result of incorrect calculations, which results in reverse ghosting (aka corona phenomenon). That and it can amplify issues with dithering. That's it, its a relative non-issue if the overdrive isn't badly done.
If you complain about how well applied overdrive decreases image quality by a severe amount, you're in the same group of people that complain about 6 bit + FRC monitors for general use.
if you can tell you are far more perceptive then most people. Without direction comparison between two monitors right by each other most people will not notice it unless it's an older monitor with like 30+ms in pixel response. Esp with monitor resolutions getting larger and larger.
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On February 04 2012 15:10 BlackkillerZzz wrote:
The thing is he told me i7 2600k is regular price 280. Doesnt that mean their should way more sites that have this price. I check newegg it cost 329.99 and suppsoly regular price is 280
Where is i7-2600k regular price of $280? Typical in-store Microcenter prices for CPUs are well below anything you can find online. They only have 23 locations in 16 states (and no locations in Canada? lol), and a lot of people don't live near one. Actually, I kind of do, with one maybe 2 hours away, but that's definitely not worth driving to.
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On February 04 2012 15:10 BlackkillerZzz wrote:
The thing is he told me i7 2600k is regular price 280. Doesnt that mean their should way more sites that have this price. I check newegg it cost 329.99 and suppsoly regular price is 280
I dont know what he told you but I would guess that he said 280 at MC is regular pricing cause somehow they manage to beat everyone if you have one close to your house (in store only). And also, MC is US where ncix.com is canada.
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Yo microcenter got this deal where you get 50$ off qualifying (most of them) P67/Z68 motherboards when you buy an 2500k or 2600k, but it's in-store only i think
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On February 04 2012 15:10 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 14:19 Womwomwom wrote:
No, you can definitely tell ghosting on a monitor because its a LCD. All LCDs do sample and hold. Using overdrive and/or faster refresh rates decreases total latency. That's the whole point. I can tell ghosting on an IPS monitor that isn't using overdrive, most people can. Whether or not people actually care is a different matter, I certainly don't since I don't game so much anymore.
The rated response time is pointless but the quality of overdrive matters. Overdrive made S-PVA monitors decent enough for gaming, provided you didn't mind the huge input lag, since they weren't huge streaks of colours like most VA panels look when in motion.
Anyway, there generally isn't a severe drop in image quality due to overdrive. If that was the case, real professional monitors, like Eizo and NECs, wouldn't even have it...I am well aware that a lot of them don't and that's because office monitors don't play games. Not to mention a fair number of monitors, like the Dells, have no real OSD option to actually turn it off or control it.
The decrease in image quality is a result of overdrive that is too heavily applied, as a result of incorrect calculations, which results in reverse ghosting (aka corona phenomenon). That and it can amplify issues with dithering. That's it, its a relative non-issue if the overdrive isn't badly done.
If you complain about how well applied overdrive decreases image quality by a severe amount, you're in the same group of people that complain about 6 bit + FRC monitors for general use. if you can tell you are far more perceptive then most people. Without direction comparison between two monitors right by each other most people will not notice it unless it's an older monitor with like 30+ms in pixel response. Esp with monitor resolutions getting larger and larger.
Most people don't notice because practically every TFT monitor people look at uses overdrive of some sort (Trace Free, AMA, Response Improve, Response Time, etc) or some form of motion enhancer like that MotionFlow crap or black frame insertion. The only ones that don't try and improve motion performance are basically office only monitors, which no one really uses to play video games.
Tell people to use a less recent Apple Cinema Display (16ms), the ones that still have buttons on the side, and they will notice the blurring immediately if they play any form game that requires fast panning. There's a big difference between whether or not someone notices the problem or cares about the problem. Its the same with input lag.
When recommending a monitor, unless they specifically say that they don't mind gaming on something like a HP ZR2740W, which is the slowest IPS monitor I can actually think of since literally every single one uses overdrive of some sort, its safer to suggest one that doesn't have any input or response issues than hope that they don't notice anything. Even if you don't mind the ghosting, there's no reason to accept an inferior product if there's another similarly priced monitor out there that does everything and more.
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I am not gonna lie. I have never seen an LCD technology monitor look quite like a CRT in terms of motion reproduction. I really miss my CRT, and I wish they made them in widescreen and high resolution.
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On February 04 2012 15:10 BlackkillerZzz wrote:
The thing is he told me i7 2600k is regular price 280. Doesnt that mean their should way more sites that have this price. I check newegg it cost 329.99 and suppsoly regular price is 280
I said regular pricing at MC.
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Do you think i should trade my power supply skyR for that one or should i just keep my capsotone 450
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Capstone 450 is way way way way way way way way way way way way way better than that so why would you consider trading? Even if you could that is, as you live in US and that sale's for Canada
edit: Unless you need a modular PSU of course
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Hey guys so yesterday, after finally getting my gpu to run sc2, i played for a few hours, then when i shut it down, it made a strange noise, the noise got louder and louder, so i shut off the power from the back and it went away. what seems to be my the problem? the sound is like a EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, i turn it on today and no weird sound, so i imagine it's from playing sc2
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On February 05 2012 02:42 AAyeR wrote:
Hey guys so yesterday, after finally getting my gpu to run sc2, i played for a few hours, then when i shut it down, it made a strange noise, the noise got louder and louder, so i shut off the power from the back and it went away. what seems to be my the problem? the sound is like a EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, i turn it on today and no weird sound, so i imagine it's from playing sc2
Do you have a corsair psu?
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